[00:13] <joia> Is it safe to select an EFI file in the GRUB menu? For some reason my GRUB menu is listing 2 EFI files
[00:14] <joia> The standard 'Ubuntu' option isnt working so I'mthinking about trying one but not sure if it's safe
[01:12] <joia> everything works now
[01:12] <joia> phew...lesson learned: even though they look intimidating, READ error messages and decipher them
[03:55] <Dooley_da_Vulcan> howdy
[03:56] <Dooley_da_Vulcan> hi @ouroumov
[03:57] <Dooley_da_Vulcan> anyone here had any experience with docker or anything similar? looking at using something that doesnt charge more based on my using more hardware that I buy
[08:53] <robk> I accidently set the wrong compositor in ubuntu mate, how do I reset it back to default?
[08:54] <ouroumov> Go to MATE Tweak -> Windows
[08:54] <ouroumov> In WM options select Marco (Software Compositor)
[08:54] <ouroumov> That is the default
[08:54] <robk> ouroumov: heh. wish I could. the whole window is black right now.
[08:55] <ouroumov> Hm
[08:55] <robk> every time I try to use the "macro hardware acceleration" it just goes black.
[08:55] <robk> it works if I use compiz
[08:55] <robk> or software
[08:55] <robk> i'm using vmware.
[08:55] <ouroumov> You mean Marco + Compton GPU ?
[08:55] <robk> sure.. yeah that one.
[08:55] <robk> i'm using 16.04 LTS
[08:55] <ouroumov> Okay, lemme see if I can find the command line
[08:58] <ouroumov> Actually, never mind that, can you switch the VM to tty1 ?
[08:58] <robk> I tried doing: gsettings reset org.mate.session.required-components windowmanager
[08:58] <robk> that didn't work.
[08:58] <robk> says it needs "x11" to run
[08:59] <ouroumov> So you've got a terminal, ok
[08:59] <ouroumov> Just run "killall compton"
[08:59] <ouroumov> Then use MATE Tweak to switch back to default
[08:59] <robk> rkraig@rkraig-vmware-16 ~ $ gsettings reset org.mate.session.required-components windowmanager
[08:59] <robk> (process:83706): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: Cannot autolaunch D-Bus without X11 $DISPLAY
[08:59] <robk> rkraig@rkraig-vmware-16 ~ $ sudo su
[08:59] <robk> rgr..
[08:59] <robk> [sudo] password for rkraig:
[08:59] <robk> ➜  rkraig /etc/init.d/lightdm restart
[08:59] <robk> [ ok ] Restarting lightdm (via systemctl): lightdm.service.
[09:00] <robk> ouroumov: that did the trick. ty.
[09:00] <ouroumov> yw
[09:00] <robk> I switched back to compiz
[09:00] <robk> question..
[09:00] <robk> you ever use 4k resolution?
[09:00] <robk> I'm just trying to figure out a theory I have.
[09:01] <ouroumov> robk, I don't think GPU accell is useful at all in a VM, I could be wrong
[09:01] <ouroumov> robk, sorry no
[09:01] <ouroumov> I've never gone past 1080p
[09:01] <robk> I have a geforce 770 gtx 2gb ddr5, my presumption is that because I don't have enough video ram, screen rendering seems slow.
[09:02] <robk> I use vm because I need to test everything in windows as 1st priority. I run a LGA 2011 xeon 2690 w/ 64gb ddr ecc
[09:02] <ouroumov> Yeah 2BG is not a lot
[09:03] <ouroumov> I think midrange GPUs pack at least 4GB now
[09:03] <robk> nvidia says i have 3.5gb of total video memmory, so I think I probably need to upgrade my video card. I'm currently running a Dell 4k P2715Q monitor
[09:07] <robk> I'm eye-balling this right now, https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-08G-P4-6171-KR/dp/B01H74VTBK
[09:07] <robk> ouroumov_: your irc die on you?
[09:08] <robk> shows you reconnected twice.
[09:08] <robk> well, I mean shows you are ouroumov_ & ouroumov
[09:08] <robk> :)
[09:08] <ouroumov> no, forgot to shut down IRC client on the laptop in my bad, suppose it caught the wifi and went ahead
[09:08] <robk> :)
[09:08] <robk> I'll repaste..
[09:08] <ouroumov> in my bag *
[09:08] <robk> I'm eye-balling this, https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-08G-P4-6171-KR/dp/B01H74VTBK
[09:08] <ouroumov> Yeah I saw
[09:09] <robk> seems it's very 4k ready, only 1 dvi port, and 2 hdmi & 2 display ports.
[09:10] <ouroumov> Yeah
[11:16] <janyra> holaaaa
[11:16] <ouroumov> hi janyra
[11:17] <janyra> hi how whwere you from
[11:18] <ouroumov> janyra, I'm from France
[11:18] <janyra> ok I'm from spain
[11:19] <ouroumov> Yes, I can see from your host name :)
[11:19] <ouroumov> You're a new Ubuntu MATE user janyra?
[11:21] <janyra> yes i'm a ubunt 16 LTS USER  I'VE UBUNTU MATE ON VIRTUALBOX
[11:23] <ouroumov> janyra, ok
[11:23] <ouroumov> janyra, no problem so far?
[11:23] <reta> can't fix the brightness of my laptop
[11:24] <reta> it was working fine since I install but suddenly stopworking
[11:24] <ouroumov> reta, hi
[11:25] <janyra> NO PROBLEM
[11:25] <ouroumov> reta, what version of Ubuntu MATE are you using?
[11:25] <reta> 16.o4
[11:25] <ouroumov> janyra, please switch back your caps lock
[11:27] <ouroumov> reta, probably due to a kernel update. You should make sure of that by booting using an older kernel and checking if the issue is gone
[13:55] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1622257 fix has been unleashed
[13:56] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, I still recommend an announcement about the default option switch
[15:36] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, glad to see you back. I was worried you got whacked by Microsoft goon squad. u_u
[15:58] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov, Thanks for the update. I'm catching up.
[16:25] <io> how to tell if bad sectors on hdd are fixable or not?
[16:25] <ouroumov_> Bad sectors are on most drives, they're not usually a problem, but a natural side effect of aging.
[16:26] <ouroumov_> Drive firmware will blacklist them when it becomes aware of it.
[16:34] <io> what if the errors keep recurring after being accounted for by fsck
[16:38] <ouroumov_> I don't know, change drive? io, I recommend you wait for someone who is able to read SMART reports correctly on the forum thread. Personally I have no clue what it means.
[18:08] <tauro> Buenas
[18:55] <rizzo_> anybody get the zeus virus message in firefox on mate 16.04? I just did
[19:09] <ouroumov_> rizzo_, haha
[19:10] <ouroumov_> rizzo_, install an adblocker, I recommend uBlock Origin
[19:17] <rizzo_> i had adblock running
[19:18] <rizzo_> adblock plus
[19:19] <tiox> Mint-Y looks awesome for me but no matter how hard I try, it still sucks for some reason.
[19:19] <ouroumov_> rizzo_, well some stuff got through, apparently. Zeus is a windows botnet.
[19:20] <ouroumov_> hi tiox
[19:20] <tiox> ouroumov_ I've heard about Zeus, it's a hell of a thing, that is.
[20:20] <Langley> Help, I have added the program redshift to auto startup, but the program doesnt function (not tinting the screen). Works fine if I start it manually. Adding it with its path doesnt help
[20:33] <herve> bonsoir
[20:39] <ouroumov_> !fr | herve
[20:40] <ouroumov_> Langley, maybe you should post about it on the forums?
[20:41] <Langley> Maybe... I see someone else with the same problem and it can be fixed by manually specifying my coordinates
[20:42] <Langley> 4 year old bug :/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/redshift/+bug/868904
[21:29] <mate|34174> Is there a command I can run to see exactlly waht type of RAM i have/
[21:31] <ouroumov_> -wndi- -Blackisle- -ubuntulo13- -skeletonkey- -ztane- -vok`- -Brycks- -netvixtra- -DalekSec- -TrentP- -atlanticd- -SWAT- -gimpysticks- , beware / -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, we would urge all irssi users to head over to https://irssi.org/2016/09/21/irssi-0.8.20-released/ and also upgrade to the latest version. I would also like to say thank you to the current irssi dev team for the early warning!
[21:32] <DalekSec> ouroumov_: It's called a 'global' because it goes to everyone, no need to re-paste it (and pinging everyone in the meantime.)
[21:32] <ouroumov_> DalekSec, sorry, I wasn't sure the visibility
[21:32] <ouroumov_> It didn't highlight my client.
[21:34] <ouroumov_> ( Apologizing to the others too )
[21:42] <tiox> Does anyone else get the impression that Dedoimedo is a drama llama?
[21:46] <Langley> Help I'm having problems with galculator again... inputting (-300000/188000000)/0.01 should be -0.16 but galculator just says -inf
[21:47] <Darkhero> Works fine for me
[21:48] <Langley> That calculation?? What am I doing wrong
[21:48] <Darkhero> No idea
[21:48] <Langley> Are you typing it all in Formula Entry?
[21:48] <Darkhero> yes
[21:49] <Darkhero> I get -0.159574468085
[21:49] <Langley> http://imgur.com/a/NGQn4
[21:50] <Langley> Like that?
[21:50] <ouroumov_> tiox, you think he lost his awful machine? Because he hasn't been mentioning it in the Fedora24 article, it's not a review at all.
[21:50] <ouroumov_> Langley, I can't reproduce
[21:50] <ouroumov_> gcalculator gives me the correct result
[21:50] <ouroumov_> Oh wait, maybe I should type it all in one go?)
[21:51] <Langley> Yes, the whole line
[21:51] <Darkhero> still works fine for me
[21:53] <ouroumov_> I can't get the thing to input parenthesis?
[21:54] <naples> Hey all, total newbie here!
[21:54] <ouroumov_> Oh alright, formula entry, got it
[21:54] <ouroumov_> I confirm Langley: -inf
[21:54] <ouroumov_> Hi naples
[21:54] <linux-masochist> Hi Naples.
[21:54] <naples> hello!
[21:55] <ouroumov_> Langley, have you reported the bug yet?
[21:55] <Langley> No...
[21:55] <ouroumov_> Langley, do you plan on doing so?
[21:55] <Langley> Last time I had a similar problem it magically solved it just after reporting the bug
[21:55] <naples> question, im totally new to linux, wanted to know what apps to get for serving media?
[21:55] <naples> locally
[21:56] <ouroumov_> Serving? You mean playing?
[21:56] <ouroumov_> For videos: SMPlayer, for Music, I use Banshee
[21:56] <naples> yeah, so i have home video, images etc
[21:56] <naples> i want to be able to pulll it up on xbox one media player or kindle
[21:57] <naples> so ideally local host serving, but as i mentioned new to linux so not sure where to start
[21:58] <linux-masochist> What's running Linux for you?
[21:58] <tiox> naples: Plenty of ways to do that. You could set up VLC as a media server and access content on another machine that way.
[21:59] <tiox> Know this about me; General knowledge I have, specific knowledge I lack. So just because I know something can be done does not mean I can tell you every bit of it.
[21:59] <tiox> That's what Google is for. :P
[22:00] <naples> linux-masochist a beat up dell
[22:00] <ouroumov_> For images, EOM is good enough, it's preinstalled
[22:00] <ouroumov_> VLC is also preinstalled as well as a music player
[22:00] <ouroumov_> Langley, since I was able to independently reproduce, you should file a bug report.
[22:00] <ouroumov_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/galculator
[22:01] <naples> linux-masochist a beat up dell; thanks for that, will take a look at VLC on the google
[22:01] <tiox> Ideally if you want access to everything, you could set up a samba server and access your content over the network, if I am saying that correctly...
[22:01] <tiox> So you can then use other tools to play content from your local network via another machine to provide that content.
[22:02] <ouroumov_> Damn my connection is lagging fsr
[22:02] <naples> ideal
[22:02] <naples> thats what im looking for
[22:02] <Langley> ouroumov_, but now I found the problem... using , vs .
[22:03] <Langley> It should accept boooootthhh
[22:03] <linux-masochist> naples: That's the beauty of Linux. You can repurpose old hardware.
[22:03] <tiox> Then naples this is probably what you seek, or at least, one means to your end; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20Create%20a%20Network%20Share%20Via%20Samba%20Via%20CLI%20(Command-line%20interface/Linux%20Terminal)%20-%20Uncomplicated,%20Simple%20and%20Brief%20Way!
[22:03] <Langley> This is madness, on my homework I have to use . but galculator only accepts ,
[22:03] <ouroumov_> Langley, I used .
[22:03] <tiox> (Jesus Ubuntu that is stupid.)
[22:04] <tiox> (Stupidly-long address, lol
[22:04] <tiox> )
[22:04] <ouroumov_> Oh, got it
[22:04] <tiox> Langley: Sounds like a locale issue?
[22:04] <naples> this is all awesome help folks. looks like my machine has now gotten a new lease of life
[22:05] <ouroumov_> tiox, you can use "." in US locale?
[22:05] <tiox> For decimal, yes.
[22:05] <ouroumov_> naples, our forums are helpful too
[22:05] <tiox> 16.04, rather than 16,04
[22:05] <ouroumov_> tiox, I mean, does it work in galculator?
[22:05] <tiox> Should.
[22:06] <naples> will check them out, might rejoin this chatr another time. sorry fgor butting in & thanks again
[22:06] <tiox> Provide me an example and I will attempt to emulate it in galculator.
[22:06] <tiox> Oh, don;t be sorry.
[22:06] <Langley> (-3000000/18800000)/0.01
[22:07] <tiox> 15.9574468085
[22:07] <Langley> (-3000000/18800000)/0,01
[22:08] <tiox> Galculator refuses to use commas.
[22:08] <tiox> 15.9574468085
[22:08] <Langley> Then why can't it do (-3000000/18800000)/0.01 for me
[22:09] <tiox> Type 'locale' in terminal and tell me what it spits out for country.
[22:09] <tiox> (Mine is en_US)
[22:10] <ouroumov_> tiox, you used CTRL+F to switch galculator to formula mode?
[22:10] <tiox> I did not, thank you.
[22:11] <Langley> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LANGUAGE=en_US:en
[22:11] <Langley> LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
[22:11] <Langley> LC_NUMERIC=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_TIME=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
[22:11] <Langley> LC_MONETARY=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <ouroumov_> Langley, tiox, I think if we use "." galculator assumes we mean "*"
[22:11] <Langley> LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
[22:11] <Langley> LC_PAPER=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_NAME=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_ADDRESS=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_TELEPHONE=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_MEASUREMENT=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_DK.UTF-8
[22:11] <Langley> LC_ALL=
[22:11] <Powersource> just some quick (I think) questions: I've been using i3 in arch with a couple of xfce daemons slapped on. But I've realized xfce development is pretty slow and mate looks to be a great replacement. This time I'm thinking I'd install mate first and then swap the WM. Sounds sane? Is this a recommended way? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt2nxyEIf74 (prev. asked this in #mate but no response)
[22:11] <tiox> Please do not spam the chat; Country code should largelly be the same for every instance locale spits out.
[22:12] <tiox> ALso, Galculator will not allow me to see a result for Langley's inquiry.
[22:12] <Langley> But it's different all over
[22:12] <tiox> So either he is doing it wrong or Galculator is _stupidly broken_
[22:13] <tiox> Oh nvm I was doing it wrong.
[22:13] <tiox> I added a closing parenthesis where there was no opening.
[22:13] <tiox> The answer when using decimal is as expected, when using a comma I get -inf
[22:13] <tiox> Negative infinity. What the crap.
[22:14] <ouroumov_> Powersource, you're welcome to ask on the forums, a quick search show very little: https://ubuntu-mate.community/search?q=i3%20wm (but maybe some users will have tried)
[22:15] <tiox> Langley: This was your query correct? (-3000000/18800000)/0,01
[22:15] <Langley> Yes, something like that
[22:15] <ouroumov_> Powersource, apparently that "IvCho" guy tried it and it worked
[22:15] <Langley> It should accept both . and , it's not like anybody is gonna input a million as 1.000.000 into their calculator
[22:17] <tiox> (-3000000/18800000)/0,01 = -∞
[22:17] <tiox> Just, why? I see what you are saying now.
[22:18] <tiox> But I believe you are making a mountain out of a molehill; just use the syntax Galculator expects if numerical grammar does not matter.
[22:18] <Langley> It's just user unfriendly, since it's the opposite of what my homework tests want. If I use the wrong one there, it just fails me
[22:19] <tiox> So? Bear that in mind when typing your response and answer appropriately.
[22:19] <Langley> But I think I'll just use my TI-30X, only one button for . there...
[22:19] <Langley> I'll mess up eventually
[22:20] <ouroumov_> Guys, 4/0.5 = inf
[22:22] <Powersource> ouroumov: that guy sounds like he did it similarly to the video, thanks
[22:22] <ouroumov_> yw
[22:23] <tiox> I think anything with a comma is construed as ∞
[22:23] <tiox> So like, -1 * 0,1 is -∞
[22:27] <Langley> Most importantly I found the source of the problem
[22:33] <Langley> Thanks for the help, bye
[22:36] <ouroumov_> :\
[23:02] <mate|8256> any cpu-z alternatives for ubunut
[23:03] <mate|8256> or some program that analyzes hardware
[23:03] <ouroumov_> you mean list?
[23:03] <ouroumov_> sudo lshw
[23:03] <ouroumov_> or: inxi -ACDSMNGI
[23:06] <mate|8256> thanks
[23:08] <johnc4510> like the inxi
[23:12] <mate|8256> is it ever the case that you get better performance from 2gb less RAM if that 2gb is lower speed than the rest (in situations with nomore than 12gb)
[23:44] <gaballeromedina> Hi, i'm new. How I can dual boot windows7 and ubuntu mate?
[23:45] <gaballeromedina> The PC starts automaticly ubuntu mate
[23:46] <gaballeromedina> bye