[00:01] <ali1234> you can find out pretty easily by installing any of the free android NFC/RFID readers
[00:02] <ali1234> they won't read anything interesting from the card but they will react to it
[00:02] <zmoylan-pi> some of the oyster cards are broken and can be manipulated
[00:03] <zmoylan-pi> last i read
[00:03] <ali1234> NFC is just an extension of the smartcard idea. they are all different inside
[00:03] <ali1234> it's just a serial interface to a microcontroller basically
[00:05] <zmoylan-pi> and as more systems move to this shiny new technology the criminals will find it worth their while to see if they can prise money out of it for themselves
[00:05] <ali1234> yes, but jokes on them because i dont have any money
[00:06] <daftykins> not really sure there's any value to saying that when that's been how the world works forever ;)
[00:06] <zmoylan-pi> yes but bad banks will let them put you in debt as they take from an overdraft they arrange and you'll be reponsible for it till you can prove it wasn't you
[00:07] <daftykins> i know about that, had to argue with some friends who work for a bank, they were all acting like Barclays would be angelic and admit their fault immediately if their contactless tech got compromised, it was quite sad really
[00:08] <zmoylan-pi> now imagine you're a non technical person who has to be first person to try and deal with that...
[00:09] <daftykins> they wouldn't be using it
[00:15] <zmoylan-pi> chilly tonight...
[00:17] <daftykins> still in the 30s celsius here in Houston :<
[00:17] <daftykins> back later!
[08:41] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy International Day of Peace! 😃  ☮
[09:05] <zmoylan-pi> hmmmm peas....
[09:45] <popey> Give peas a chance!
[09:45] <popey> my kids had a plate years ago with that on
[09:45] <popey> they both still hate them
[09:46] <zmoylan-pi> teaching toddlers irony before they can read... how... british... :-P
[09:47] <foobarry> if you had a message to write on a motorway bridge, what would it be?
[09:47] <zmoylan-pi> good morning lemmings! :-) an oldie but a goldie
[09:47] <foobarry> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/
[09:47] <zmoylan-pi> no linux for you evil hackers
[09:48] <foobarry> lenovo blocking linux installs on recent ultrabooks
[09:48] <popey> yeah :(
[09:49] <zmoylan-pi> it's like lenovo want to get out of the pc market
[09:49] <foobarry> loads of their servers are arriving broken
[09:49] <foobarry> i mean bad mobo, bad ram, bad other bits
[09:49] <foobarry> and their other bits reguarlly hose the machine when firmware is updated
[09:49] <foobarry> utter crap
[09:49] <zmoylan-pi> you just can't get the slave labour anymore...
[09:50] <foobarry> never had this with dell
[09:50] <foobarry> still our company spend millinos with them
[10:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmtYs_k8WOE think this covers it
[10:48] <foobarry> In March 2012, the music website Last.fm was hacked and 43 million user accounts were exposed. Whilst Last.fm knew of an incident back in 2012, the scale of the hack was not known until the data was released publicly in September 2016. The breach included 37 million unique email addresses, usernames and passwords stored as unsalted MD5 hashes.
[10:48] <foobarry> doh
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> so people who were using those passwords on other services can now sue?
[10:58] <popey> foobarry: you got that mail too huh? :)
[10:58] <foobarry> didn't realise i had lastfm
[10:59] <foobarry> my wife got an email from myspace because somebody signed up with her email address by mistake
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> i think the admins in myspace are just lonely... :-P
[12:36] <diddledan> apparently: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/cant-install-linux-microsoft-signature-edition-laptop
[12:43] <diddledan> wat: http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/9/20/12986234/biggest-sd-card-1-terabyte-sandisk
[12:45] <davmor2> diddledan: when you getting one of them?
[12:46] <diddledan> when I've managed to sell my soul
[12:46] <diddledan> it seems my soul doesn't have a very good price
[12:46] <diddledan> the market is slow I guess
[12:46] <davmor2> diddledan: you might need to include your family and friends ;)
[12:49] <Azelphur> I felt the need to record this momentus achievement by my ISP: https://n.ǣ.cc/s/8yG8Inu2bnNvaGg
[12:49] <diddledan> haha
[12:49] <diddledan> that's awesome
[12:50] <Azelphur> diddledan: also was it you who said I seem to have bad luck with 2nd hand goods?
[12:51] <diddledan> possibly
[12:51] <diddledan> I bemoan daftykins touch on hard disks too
[12:51] <diddledan> I swear daftykins is a curse
[12:52] <davmor2> damn it why didn't I know about this earlier http://www.svr.co.uk/NewsItem.aspx?a=722
[12:54] <Azelphur> diddledan: meet my new £80 sound system, complete with builtin mouse nest: https://n.Ǣ.cc/s/Ln0aACS6RBbWYFE
[12:55] <diddledan> oh wow
[12:55] <davmor2> Azelphur: well you need to be able to put your mouse somewhere
[12:56] <Azelphur> Indeed
[12:56] <davmor2> Azelphur: I don't know they go out of their way to help you and all you do is complain ;)
[12:57] <Azelphur> lmao
[12:57] <popey> "new" £80 sounds system
[12:57] <Azelphur> indeed
[12:58] <Azelphur> popey: good condition, tested working!
[12:58] <diddledan> squeeks occasionally
[12:59] <diddledan> google are announcing new hardware on the 4th: http://venturebeat.com/2016/09/19/google-teases-october-4-smartphone-event/
[13:04] <crogers> Hey everyone.
[13:05] <crogers> Was trying to show how cool Ubuntu is, and like all operating systems, it seems to fail everytime you try to show it off. :)
[13:05] <crogers> In this case, the sticking point was the search in Nautillus.
[13:06] <crogers> FIle name search works just fine, but any other criterea... well it's gone... completely absent.
[13:06] <crogers> anyone else notice that?
[13:06] <popey> no. never use nautilus for searching
[13:06] <crogers> And what gives? I could have sworn it used to work.
[13:07] <foobarry> i use synapse for searching
[13:07] <diddledan> I don't search
[13:07] <popey> i use the dash usually
[13:08] <diddledan> although I kinda miss the google desktop search service which would tie-in your local system with the google website search
[13:08] <crogers> I need the file browser to do it. In my case, I process a lot of product photos in GIMP, and other image eding software.
[13:08] <crogers> *editing
[13:08] <davmor2> I use locate/dash/find
[13:08] <crogers> so being able to search for file-name+ date is essential, and having all results selectable to drag into the editor is something that saves a lot of time.
[13:09] <popey> sounds useful
[13:09] <crogers> Yes, except it doesn't work. :)
[13:09] <crogers> File name search works fine.
[13:09] <crogers> But everything else is broken.
[13:09] <crogers> Possibly I should complain to the nautillus people. :)
[13:09] <popey> perhaps :)
[13:10] <crogers> Cool.
[13:10] <crogers> I tried synapse, but had to install an indexer for it to discover all the files I need.
[13:10] <foobarry> hmm
[13:11] <diddledan> I prefer just moaning to my friends rather than anyone who can change anything. it makes me sound clever to my peers when in fact I'm a moron (and no this isn't directed at you, it really is what I like doing)
[13:11] <crogers> And I tend to gravitate away from programs that have a lot of obscure things you have to do to make them work properly.
[13:11] <foobarry> it uses zeitgeist daemon i presuime
[13:11] <diddledan> I'm British, therefore I make a pasttime of moaning
[13:11] <crogers> I only complain for two reasons:
[13:12] <crogers> To see if it's affecting others, and collect information on the problem
[13:12] <foobarry> 3) it makes you fell better
[13:12] <foobarry> feel*
[13:12] <foobarry> s/you/one
[13:12] <crogers> Meh, not really.
[13:12] <crogers> Well, not me.
[13:13] <diddledan> the royal "one" as-in the royal "pee"
[13:13] <diddledan> err, wee
[13:13] <crogers> lol
[13:14] <crogers> Gnome-do seems to have the same issue, where you need a seperate program to tell it where to index.
[13:14] <crogers> But anyway, this is basic functionality for a file browser.
[13:14] <crogers> It *should* be included in nautillus.
[13:15] <foobarry> why?
[13:15] <davmor2> midnight commander
[13:15] <crogers> And it looks like there's a little... wiggly stub where someone was planning to grow it.
[13:15] <foobarry> i use synapse, locate and the find command
[13:16] <crogers> foobarry, "why"? Why should a file browser be able to search for files based on date? I don't really think that needs an answer. ;)
[13:17] <crogers> That there are other solutions isn't really the point.
[13:17] <crogers> THough I appreciate the suggestions as potential work-arounds.
[13:18] <foobarry> have you ever run the find command?
[13:18] <foobarry> it takes a long time
[13:18] <crogers> Every other file browser for Linux is capable of adding date search criteria.
[13:18] <crogers> And the default in Ubuntu isn't...
[13:19] <crogers> foobarry, from what I just said I was doing does that seem like a good solution?
[13:19] <foobarry> pantheon-files doesn't do it
[13:20] <crogers> Thunar does.
[13:20] <foobarry> thunar also does renaming en masse
[13:20] <foobarry> its good like it
[13:20] <foobarry> but its not every file manager
[13:21] <crogers> Fine *most* of them do.
[13:24] <davmor2> foobarry: find find stuff though :P
[13:24] <crogers> Okay, this should be considered a patch for nautilus: http://elementaryos.stackexchange.com/questions/101/graphical-interfaces-to-search-for-files
[13:24] <davmor2> foobarry: thats why I like locate :)
[13:24] <crogers> For Ubuntu
[13:25] <crogers> Until Nautilus decides to grow a proper search function, it should hand it off to gnome-search-tool
[13:26] <davmor2> crogers: there is a nice search tool in the new nautilus in 16.10 that does most of the searches you would need
[13:28] <davmor2> crogers: it may even be in the older version you add a search term but can then filter on date and file types with the drop down arrow
[13:32] <crogers> davmor2, hmm, is there a developer repo where I can get it?
[13:33] <crogers> can't seem to find it, my google-fo isn't yielding anything useful.
[13:33] <davmor2> no idea
[13:34] <crogers> Seems like something they should have updated for 16.04
[13:35] <diddledan> davmor2: you spelt chocolate wrong. locate sounds weird
[13:35] <crogers> too
[13:35] <davmor2> crogers: no they shouldn't of, the version that would of been supported for 16.04 was ugly so it was reverted to stop it breaking stuff
[13:36] <crogers> Hehehe
[13:36] <crogers> They really changed that much?
[13:37] <crogers> LTS isn't what it used to be. :)
[13:38] <davmor2> crogers: it is a steady process some of the new features weren't fully implemented in the 16.04 version so it would randomly break on you every now and then, we don't control the gnome project their lts don't marry up with our releases
[13:38] <crogers> Gotcha
[13:39] <crogers> Well both of you do excelelnt work.
[13:39] <crogers> *excellent
[13:39] <davmor2> crogers: hence removing the new nautilus and adding the older more functional one :)
[13:39] <crogers> I always forget it can be worse. :)
[13:40] <crogers> I'll go complain at the gnome people then. ;P
[13:40] <crogers> Or is it not even worth it?
[13:40] <diddledan> "at" :-p
[13:40] <crogers> Is the only answer to upgrade at this point?
[13:41] <diddledan> in related news, yakkety is frozen now
[13:41] <crogers> Well, everyone complains "at" to begin with.
[13:42] <crogers> You generally need to get to know people in the various projcts in order to successfully complain to. :)
[13:42] <davmor2> crogers: 16.10 is currently using nautilus 3.20.3 which from here you can see https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Nautilus/Roadmap Search UI
[13:43] <crogers> Thanks davmor2
[13:44] <crogers> It's good to have a reason to upgrade.
[13:44] <crogers> that's a pretty compelling one, in my case.
[13:56] <diddledan> haha: https://twitter.com/bdsams/status/778593440997179392
[13:56] <diddledan> (Allo launched today apparently)
[13:59] <diddledan> I still can't get it - it still says I'm "registered"
[14:21] <diddledan> follow-up to the lenovo raided laptops not working with loonicks link I posted earlier: http://www.techrepublic.com/article/lenovo-denies-deliberately-blocking-linux-on-windows-10-pcs/
[14:26] <directhex> diddledan: i haven't had any follow-up internally yet.
[14:27] <directhex> diddledan: but i hate that a) people are incapable of applying hanlon's razor when their preconceptions are involved, and b) people take what random support grunts say as gospel, as if they weren't just making shit up 24/7
[14:28] <diddledan> I always attribute to incompetence :-p
[15:00] <diddledan> is this going to ruin the movies much? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taken_(2016_TV_series)
[15:50] <davmor2> diddledan: nah they did that themselves 1 was good 2 was okay 3 was meh 4 would be bad and so on ;)
[16:53] <diddledan> plan9 on windas:https://twitter.com/notlaforge/status/778633972368584704
[19:17] <Triumphpedroe> pedroe
[19:33] <foobarry> all ready to go nougat and androidfilehost with the files i need is offline :(
[19:34] <popey> foobarry: on hudl!? :)
[19:34] <foobarry> hp touchpad \o/
[19:34] <foobarry> the old tank
[19:50] <foobarry> watching 'halt and catch fire'
[19:50] <foobarry> series1
[21:06] <ahotenus> hi can i ask a question pls
[21:11] <zmoylan-pi> ask away. if someone is about they may have time to answer
[21:12] <ahotenus> okay so this is problem
[21:13] <ahotenus> my son does not help me with computer anymore, he is says i am old enough to learn how to use computer
[21:13] <ahotenus> and he install the x chat and says, use the x chat if your computer is problem
[21:13] <ahotenus> and now i am have problem
[21:23] <popey> O_O