[00:48] <bluesabre> flocculant, created a pad, added some notes here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-y-locker
[00:56] <Unit193> bluesabre: ...Think I can get a new -session upload done without getting yelled at? :P
[00:57] <bluesabre> Unit193, new stable?
[00:57] <Unit193> bluesabre: No, see -xfce?
[00:57] <bluesabre> aha
[00:58] <Unit193> I think it's good no matter what we do.
[00:58] <bluesabre> indeed
[00:58] <bluesabre> Unit193, I see no issue with it
[00:59] <bluesabre> Unit193, feel free to upload, it can certainly save us trouble down the line
[01:00] <bluesabre> and it'll have to go to -proposed anyway
[01:00] <bluesabre> :D
[01:00] <Unit193> Yeeeah, saw that bit.  Wondering if I can easily get my diff out of SVN.
[02:24] <bluesabre> flocculant, also started documenting file managers, http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-z-filemanager
[02:24] <Unit193> :(
[02:25] <Unit193> bluesabre: Wait, weren't we supposed to go through patches too?
[02:25] <bluesabre> Unit193, yeah, just started writing things up, we won't switch unless we have to
[02:26] <Unit193> Yes yes, I got that.  Just reminded me about that bit that I'd forgotten. :P
[02:26] <bluesabre> :)
[02:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://piratenpad.de/p/thunar-patches :P
[02:50] <bluesabre> Unit193, thanks for this
[02:50] <Unit193> Sure thing.  Figured you can make it more understandable/pretty if needed.  Or move it over too. :P
[02:51] <bluesabre> Yeah, I'll start to review and add notes as I make progress
[02:51] <bluesabre> (though, probably not tonight)
[02:52] <Unit193> Yeeeah, several more potential fixes in there too. :/
[02:54] <bluesabre> at least it's not very difficult to reproduce
[06:49] <flocculant> bluesabre: thanks for both - I did start making some usability notes for files managers which I promptly lost - will do so again
[06:49] <flocculant> though I do remember 'open terminal here' only worked with pcmanfm
[07:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: added a few notes to the locker pad 
[07:17] <flocculant> we really don't have much time - don't know if you were aware of that :p
[07:18] <flocculant> next week to decide I guess - so we're changed prior to RC 
[07:18] <Unit193> I presume you saw I uploaded -session?
[07:23] <flocculant> I read it twice I think :p
[07:23] <Unit193> Yey, so I don't have to tell you.
[07:24] <flocculant> nope :)
[07:26] <flocculant> Unit193: oh and thanks for the patches paste too :)
[07:28] <Unit193> That's a pad.
[07:29] <flocculant> oh yes
[07:30] <flocculant> said I was still waking up ... 
[07:31] <Unit193> But sure thing, doc.
[07:31] <flocculant> :)
[07:32] <flocculant> bbl
[09:15] <bluesabre> flocculant, little time indeed, hence all the writing and patching and whatnot :)
[11:05] <flocculant> bluesabre: :)
[16:18] <bluesabre> hey flocculant 
[16:19] <flocculant> good lord
[16:19] <bluesabre> on lunch break, thought I'd see if you were around to discuss :)
[16:19] <flocculant> just got in :)
[16:19] <flocculant> just grab a cup of something hot - be 2 minutes
[16:19] <bluesabre> k
[16:20] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - back :)
[16:21] <bluesabre> cool
[16:21] <bluesabre> so, light-locker
[16:21] <flocculant> I assume you're ok not releasing today/tomorrow
[16:22] <bluesabre> yeah, that's fine, or we can release with the stipulation that locking is broken and that 16.10 final may ship with a different locker
[16:22] <bluesabre> either way is fine by me
[16:22] <flocculant> really don't want to do that
[16:22] <flocculant> ship that is
[16:22] <bluesabre> boat maybe?
[16:23] <flocculant> this is a bit different than no mouse cursor 
[16:23] <bluesabre> yes
[16:23] <flocculant> ha ha - more like a oil tanker :p
[16:23] <bluesabre> this is productivity breaking
[16:23] <bluesabre> :D
[16:23] <flocculant> yea - socially not very good for us to do it either imo
[16:23] <bluesabre> true
[16:23] <flocculant> I don't know if you can mark the bug as critical? 
[16:24] <bluesabre> then yeah, let's skip beta and come to a decision on the locker by mid-next week
[16:24] <bluesabre> I'll check
[16:24] <bluesabre> not in bug squad, but maybe
[16:24] <flocculant> if not once the chaff has settled on other flavours releasing I was going to ping infinity to get it changed if *we* had no-one who could
[16:24] <flocculant> which will also remind him of the issue :p
[16:25] <flocculant> he might be able to get someone to look *shrug*
[16:25] <bluesabre> flocculant, this one, right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1622303
[16:25] <flocculant> yea
[16:25] <flocculant> I KNOW for sure I can't or it would be marked so :p
[16:25] <bluesabre> marked it critical
[16:26] <flocculant> awesome
[16:26] <flocculant> I'll ensure we've got critical tracker fails 
[16:26] <bluesabre> good deal
[16:26] <flocculant> so - yea - mid-week for a decision sounds right
[16:27] <flocculant> I'm leaning g-s tbh, it does at least look more like what we have now
[16:27] <bluesabre> cool, that's the one I've used for quite some time, can vouch for it :)
[16:27] <flocculant> well I've certainly got it now :p
[16:28] <bluesabre> flocculant, what info/data should we collect for mid-next week?
[16:28] <bluesabre> I can draft up light-locker replacement docs
[16:28] <flocculant> this is the trouble with desktops and me - I don't suspend, rarely lock so don't use it so miss fails on that type of thing
[16:28] <bluesabre> (should they be needed)
[16:28] <bluesabre> yeah
[16:29] <flocculant> well as far as data goes - not sure - the important data is the bug as far as getting it changed I guess
[16:29] <flocculant> I can whack a critical test mail out to testers - purge l-l, install x and test quickly 
[16:29] <bluesabre> Subscribed cavalier so that he might be able to take a look at it as well
[16:30] <flocculant> could even do a quick testcase on tracker (today/tomorrow) 
[16:30] <bluesabre> good idea
[16:30] <bluesabre> lunch break wrapping up now
[16:31] <flocculant> it could be 1 - purge l-l, install g-s check, purge g-s, autoremove, install x-s 
[16:31] <bluesabre> let me know if there's anything you need from me and I'll get it together tonight
[16:31] <bluesabre> sounds good to me
[16:31] <bluesabre> include:
[16:31] <bluesabre> killall light-locker; gnome-screensaver; killall gnome-screensaver; xscreensaver, etc etc
[16:32] <flocculant> ok
[16:32] <bluesabre> since they need to be active to respond to the lock command
[16:32] <bluesabre> If you drop it in a pad, I can review it as well
[16:32] <flocculant> I'll do that soonish - paste link in here - you look at test tonight please :)
[16:32] <bluesabre> will do
[16:32] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[16:32] <flocculant> ok - thanks :)
[16:32] <flocculant> have fun
[16:32] <bluesabre> thx
[16:37] <jjfrv8> flocculant, I won't be around tonight and possibly not tomorrow either but I just did a quick test
[16:37] <jjfrv8> purged l-l, installed g-s, checked - OK
[16:40] <flocculant> jjfrv8: thanks :)
[16:41] <flocculant> there will be a testcase on package tracker turn up over the weekend once bluesabre and I have padded etc :)
[16:42] <jjfrv8> Ok, will try to do a more formal test then.
[16:42] <jjfrv8> Just did x-s after g-s and that's okay too.
[16:43] <flocculant> I think Sean will want tests on changing user too
[16:43] <flocculant> thanks for looking :)
[16:43] <jjfrv8> Sure. Good luck :)
[16:43] <flocculant> :)
[17:12] <flocculant> bluesabre: http://pad.ubuntu.com/lock-change
[17:41] <flocculant> knome: do we actually need to do an announcement? 
[17:41] <flocculant> given it'll say "Yaketty Final Beta" 'There isn't one' 
[18:25] <Unit193> Well you *can* do it like that, but only for the most basic tests.
[18:29] <flocculant> Unit193: if you're talking about the pad - then it's not locked or anything you can edit it 
[18:46] <Unit193> No, not opened it yet.
[19:14] <flocculant> okeydoke :p
[19:23] <knome> flocculant, don't think it's critical
[19:24] <flocculant> me neither - just wanted to double check there :)
[19:36] <flocculant> with it being the only time I can remember us not releasing something milestone time
[19:36] <knome> mhm
[19:37] <flocculant> on the other hand if people are that interested - trawl through irc logs roundabout release time or dev m/l ;)
[19:37] <flocculant> anyway - cool - just needed to be sure there 
[23:15] <knome> bluesabre, btw, you'll have all the council duties to yourself the whole weekend - i'll be leaving tomorrow afternoon UTC and returning on sunday evening