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| bluesabre | morning all | 09:47 |
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| flocculant | hey bluesabre :) | 09:48 |
| Unit193 | Esh, on a weekend? | 09:48 |
| bluesabre | :D | 09:50 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, so, dead at greeter or after greeter? | 09:50 |
| flocculant | umm | 09:50 |
| flocculant | after logout from guest | 09:51 |
| flocculant | also the pulseaudio crash is odd | 09:51 |
| bluesabre | Unit193, that greeter bug is somewhat amusing... you're probably doing it wrong if your computer lab has multiple sessions :\ | 09:52 |
| flocculant | only g-s crashes pa though | 09:52 |
| bluesabre | so logout from guest would be the greeter | 09:53 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: obviously if you want a specific u-bug package I'll do that | 09:54 |
| flocculant | I just didn't want us to end up with a bunch of bugs all for similar things from people | 09:54 |
| flocculant | with little time it'd take longer to sort those out than anything else :p | 09:55 |
| bluesabre | looks like there might be a rare greeter bug with it just going black http://osdir.com/ml/general/2016-09/msg22771.html | 09:58 |
| bluesabre | all of this really might stem from some ugly bug in lightdm or X.org | 10:00 |
| flocculant | mmm | 10:01 |
| flocculant | personally I've not a clue what we should do :p | 10:02 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 10:05 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, logout from guest is bad in either, and pa is just gnome-screensaver? | 10:06 |
| flocculant | this business they've got with kernels and beta isn't making it very easy to find time to talk to people | 10:06 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: ack | 10:06 |
| bluesabre | so definitely some issue exists in lightdm-gtk-greeter, lightdm, and/or xorg | 10:08 |
| flocculant | then I ended up with xfce rather than xubntu - but I think that was me not checking the session type | 10:08 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: yea I'd say so | 10:08 |
| flocculant | but only us - no-one else (including studio) is affected | 10:08 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, so we can swap out the greeter to something else to narrow that down | 10:08 |
| flocculant | ok | 10:09 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: have you seen this issue when switching user(s)? | 10:09 |
| flocculant | oh btw - I did add a new admin user and try there - just in case it was some *thing* with guest user - no change | 10:10 |
| flocculant | and I couldn't get back to the original locked session anywhere with anything | 10:10 |
| flocculant | but I assume that's because greeter | 10:11 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: perhaps try with the ubuntu greeter | 10:13 |
| flocculant | mostly cos I'll hate you if you say lets try kde-greeter :p | 10:14 |
| bluesabre | :D | 10:16 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, I hadn't seen the issue before, tried just now with a bogged down computer, entered guest session, tried to log out, computer froze, restarted | 10:17 |
| flocculant | ok cool - sort of | 10:17 |
| flocculant | at least that means it's not just me being an idjit :) | 10:17 |
| flocculant | I can do some testing later with other greeters easily enough if that helps | 10:19 |
| bluesabre | yeah, that should help | 10:19 |
| flocculant | I think the busiest thing I'm up to this weekend is eating :p | 10:19 |
| bluesabre | we can also throw lightdm out by testing with gdm | 10:19 |
| bluesabre | sounds like its going to be a long weekend :\ | 10:20 |
| flocculant | ok - can you write on http://pad.ubuntu.com/lock-change exactly what you want from me | 10:20 |
| flocculant | I can test with new-greeter, then change to gdm and old-greeter then new one - whatever gets us the best set of data | 10:21 |
| * flocculant hopes that there is surely some combination that works | 10:21 | |
| flocculant | we don't necessarily need to change - might be we find where the issue lies for someone *canonicalish* to be able to help | 10:22 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 10:22 |
| bluesabre | looks like I can not log out of the guest session | 10:22 |
| flocculant | k | 10:22 |
| bluesabre | everything closes and I am left with the dev wallpaper | 10:22 |
| flocculant | yup | 10:22 |
| flocculant | exactly the same here | 10:23 |
| bluesabre | screen doesn't flash black, so I don't think its even getting back to the greeter | 10:23 |
| flocculant | and not only on the vanilla install but here too - and I ended up http://i.imgur.com/t69s536.png | 10:23 |
| flocculant | which was nice ... | 10:23 |
| bluesabre | :( | 10:24 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, do you know if this is reproducible in a vm? | 10:25 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: hard to tell - can't get one back from suspend | 10:26 |
| bluesabre | should be able to test with just locking | 10:27 |
| flocculant | 2 seconds then | 10:27 |
| bluesabre | there's basically a few things I want to test here... it might be a bug with the greeter, so we can try guest session in ubuntu-mate... it might be a bug in xfce4-session, though I think we're alone there | 10:28 |
| bluesabre | if we can reproduce outside of xubuntu, it will get way easier to get help :) | 10:29 |
| flocculant | vm crashes coming back from guest user | 10:29 |
| flocculant | and yea I know - hence me always trying these things elsewhere | 10:29 |
| flocculant | I haven't actually tested other flavours coming back from guest | 10:30 |
| bluesabre | I'm going to be testing these things as well | 10:30 |
| flocculant | I'll test Ubuntu ... | 10:30 |
| flocculant | that's the best place for us to find reproducibility :p | 10:31 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I'll zsync ubuntu right now - install vm - check guest, be ~15 minutes to a result | 10:33 |
| flocculant | in the meantime perhaps you could write some on the pad - so we both test exactly the same things | 10:33 |
| bluesabre | alrighty | 10:36 |
| flocculant | ubuntu has yak on slideshow :p | 10:37 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, what happens when you lock your screen, click switch users, and then just log back in as yourself? | 10:40 |
| flocculant | not tried | 10:41 |
| flocculant | I'll try in the vm | 10:41 |
| bluesabre | k | 10:41 |
| flocculant | grabbing mate iso too | 10:41 |
| bluesabre | lappy updated, rebooting, bbiab | 10:42 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: if I lock, switch user, login as me, password, unlock screen, password - back where I started properly | 10:44 |
| flocculant | ubuntu takes longer to install ... | 10:45 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, that's good at least | 10:46 |
| flocculant | yep | 10:46 |
| flocculant | booting ubuntu now - fingers crossed in some bizarrely unfair fashion :p | 10:46 |
| flocculant | starting mate install | 10:48 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: booted ubuntu, can switch users while at normal user desktop - get the Data in guest session warning - then blank screen | 10:50 |
| bluesabre | so guest session does not fully load for u? | 10:52 |
| flocculant | not appearing so - redoing now | 10:52 |
| bluesabre | oh boy | 10:53 |
| flocculant | switching to guest from lock screen | 10:53 |
| bluesabre | further into the rabbit hole... | 10:53 |
| flocculant | yea - but it's not going to be quite so lonely down there now hopefully | 10:53 |
| flocculant | leaving vm for a bit - just in case it's I've got too many running :p | 10:54 |
| bluesabre | :) | 10:54 |
| bluesabre | I've got 3 isos racing each other as they download | 10:54 |
| * flocculant wanders to kitchen to make tea - that should be enough time | 10:54 | |
| flocculant | ha ha | 10:54 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: ok - that ubuntu vm is stuck trying to start guest session | 10:57 |
| flocculant | and mate is almost installed | 10:58 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: ok - so ubuntu was hung at guest, ctrl+alt+f7 got me back to lock screen, password and back to where I was | 10:59 |
| bluesabre | so that's no good | 11:02 |
| bluesabre | :D | 11:02 |
| flocculant | mate just works | 11:02 |
| flocculant | so there are issues with ubuntu at least | 11:02 |
| bluesabre | and locking/switching everything seem fine with mate? | 11:04 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: ok - so Xubuntu - login user, lock, login guest, logout, crashes, ctrl+alt+f7, login user, unlock user - back where I started | 11:04 |
| bluesabre | alrighty | 11:05 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: and ack for mate working fine | 11:05 |
| bluesabre | welllllllllll | 11:06 |
| bluesabre | dang | 11:06 |
| flocculant | so - we have the same problem seemingly as ubuntu - which I further assume (or hope) to mean we'll get us fixed without having to change locker | 11:06 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: you were expecting mate to fail and ubuntu to work weren't you :) | 11:06 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, I was at least expecting mate to fail | 11:07 |
| flocculant | thought so from reading the pad | 11:07 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: how about I install ubuntu to hardware - then ubuntu-bug from there, dupe our one to it - then go from there? | 11:07 |
| flocculant | or do you still want to be ready for us to move locker if needed? | 11:08 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, somewhat different though, right? our guest session loads but won't exit, their guest session won't load | 11:08 |
| flocculant | oh hang on | 11:08 |
| flocculant | regardless of the guest issue - we've got other problems iirc | 11:09 |
| flocculant | our bug is unlock from a normal user fails | 11:09 |
| flocculant | I think I will still run through the stuff on pad for us - we'll have that data then regardless of what happens when we tell -release | 11:10 |
| bluesabre | ok | 11:11 |
| flocculant | I'll work through all that this afternoon - add notes to the pad we're using | 11:11 |
| bluesabre | I'm getting xubuntu installed in a vm while the others download | 11:12 |
| flocculant | okey doke | 11:12 |
| bluesabre | I'll see if I can find anything additional | 11:12 |
| flocculant | yup | 11:13 |
| flocculant | omg :| | 11:16 |
| flocculant | now I found some thunar thing ... unless it's what I couldn't reproduce of Unit193's ... | 11:17 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Got xfce4-gtk3 exo? | 11:17 |
| flocculant | yes - Unit193 I can now reproduce change view to detailed view | 11:17 |
| flocculant | oh yes - got the gtk3 ppa's | 11:17 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre's fault. :P | 11:17 |
| flocculant | :) | 11:18 |
| bluesabre | exo broken in the ppa? | 11:18 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: got to fly for a bit now - will crack on later with this lock stuff - will get notes there for you to see when you're about | 11:18 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, alrighty, hf | 11:19 |
| flocculant | will be about on and off all day, so if you think of anything either ping me or write it on the pad | 11:19 |
| bluesabre | will do | 11:21 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Yeah, poked you about that. | 11:21 |
| bluesabre | aha | 11:22 |
| bluesabre | can you repoke? | 11:22 |
| bluesabre | I miss things :( | 11:22 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: just quickly - vm, remove lightdm, add gdm and a million other things - can't switch user :p | 11:38 |
| bluesabre | :D | 11:38 |
| flocculant | so we should do that - then no problem if we go to g-s or xs as there's no way to get to another user :D | 11:38 |
| bluesabre | :) | 11:40 |
| bluesabre | brilliant! | 11:40 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: what would you say was best thing to bug report against for the ubuntu version? | 11:49 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, hard to say... ubuntu-session maybe? the lock screen in ubuntu is part of unity, but the bug is with the session loader | 11:51 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I've got some success going on here | 11:58 |
| flocculant | added a new user - normal account | 11:58 |
| flocculant | can lock first user - switch to new one - lock that - switch back and forth between them both | 11:59 |
| flocculant | seems to be the guest user causing problems | 11:59 |
| bluesabre | cool | 11:59 |
| bluesabre | Unit193, any idea what the guest user might be related to? | 12:00 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: and finally - if you logout of a user - seems to lose any chance of getting back to a locked session | 12:05 |
| * bluesabre really wants to blame lightdm | 12:06 | |
| flocculant | perhaps I should report against that then | 12:07 |
| flocculant | I can (Iassume) reproduce all this in Ubuntu, then we can dupe our bug against it - and hand that new one over | 12:08 |
| flocculant | jeez this is a real pita ... | 12:09 |
| bluesabre | very | 12:10 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: ok - can reproduce ^^ in Ubuntu | 12:18 |
| flocculant | and guest kills it | 12:18 |
| bluesabre | oh goodie | 12:18 |
| bluesabre | that should simplify things :D | 12:18 |
| flocculant | oh wait - just see what happens if I log out of one | 12:19 |
| flocculant | almost | 12:20 |
| flocculant | so if I logout of session in Ubuntu, can resume other locked session | 12:20 |
| flocculant | in Xubuntu appears to logout all sessions | 12:20 |
| flocculant | but surely if I report in Ubuntu - can just comment for Xubuntu the difference | 12:21 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: you sure ubuntu-session? | 12:22 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, not sure of anything | 12:22 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 12:22 |
| flocculant | ok - well I think I'll report it against kernel - they appear to be worried about that :D | 12:23 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: lightdm because you blame it? | 12:25 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, maybe just spam the "also affects" | 12:28 |
| flocculant | ok - with ubuntu-session, xubuntu-session, greeter? | 12:29 |
| bluesabre | yeah, seems like a good start | 12:35 |
| flocculant | so both our greeter and the unity one :p | 12:37 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: thanks - I think we've done enough for the moment - at least until *they* can facepalm | 12:38 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, thanks a bunch... let me know when we have a bug and I'll see if I can critical it or something | 12:39 |
| flocculant | likely we'll be in a position to not change locker do you think? | 12:39 |
| flocculant | worth waiting till we hear from them I guess | 12:41 |
| bluesabre | alrighty | 12:45 |
| jjfrv8 | flocculant, do you still want us to run the testcases as published? Or are there changes coming from your investigation today? | 12:45 |
| flocculant | jjfrv8: I'd guess not just now | 12:49 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: bug 1627304 | 12:50 |
| ubottu | bug 1627304 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "User locking problems - guest login crashing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627304 | 12:50 |
| flocculant | don't ask why it decide to call it unity-greeter - also can't find -sessions to affect | 12:50 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, ok, not sure why the -sessions don't show | 12:53 |
| flocculant | no idea - much to much like Lp fu there :) | 12:54 |
| bluesabre | looks like ubuntu-session is gnome-session | 12:54 |
| bluesabre | apt-get source ubuntu-session | 12:54 |
| bluesabre | Reading package lists... Done | 12:54 |
| bluesabre | Picking 'gnome-session' as source package instead of 'ubuntu-session' | 12:54 |
| bluesabre | xubuntu is probably xubuntu-default-settings more than anything | 12:55 |
| flocculant | ok - done that then | 12:57 |
| flocculant | I've added a comment from our perspective - with our bug, but haven't duped it atm | 12:58 |
| flocculant | jjfrv8: thanks for reminding me - I've sent a mail to the list now :) | 12:58 |
| bluesabre | thanks flocculant | 12:58 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: not much more I can do now afaik | 12:59 |
| bluesabre | yeah, I think we're basically waiting for ubuntu proper to take a look now | 12:59 |
| flocculant | k - we can move on to the weekend now then \o/ | 12:59 |
| jjfrv8 | flocculant, just saw it, thanks. wfm :) Good work! | 12:59 |
| flocculant | thanks for your help bluesabre :) | 13:00 |
| flocculant | I was getting a bit snowed under with all the permutations :p | 13:00 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, seems like you did most of the hard work, I only suggested things that might be related | 13:00 |
| flocculant | which helped enormously :) | 13:00 |
| bluesabre | :) | 13:00 |
| flocculant | not even had music on ... | 13:00 |
| flocculant | so it must have been bad | 13:00 |
| bluesabre | lol | 13:01 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: actually I wonder if a mail to the release list would be a better method to start the ball rolling? | 13:02 |
| flocculant | if so it might be better coming from you - if they ask tech questions ... | 13:02 |
| flocculant | because currently - this is a blocker for us | 13:02 |
| bluesabre | yes | 13:03 |
| flocculant | sometimes it's a bit 'sigh flocculant found another bug for us :(' | 13:03 |
| bluesabre | :) | 13:04 |
| flocculant | I'll just wait now to see the mail | 13:07 |
| flocculant | if I've not seen one by Monday I'll get all huffy :D | 13:08 |
| bluesabre | :) | 13:09 |
| bluesabre | drafting it up on that pad | 13:09 |
| flocculant | been useful that pad :p | 13:10 |
| bluesabre | indeed | 13:11 |
| bluesabre | I suppose I should also report guest session dying on logout in xubuntu | 13:12 |
| flocculant | yea | 13:12 |
| flocculant | I'd mention that switching between normal users who are locked would be useful | 13:13 |
| flocculant | we both see that, it's only us who have the initial complete fail on lock with light-locker | 13:13 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, specifically, xubuntu works when not using light-locker in this scenario, right? | 13:20 |
| flocculant | when not using l-l we have issues with guest, but vt7 brings lock dialogue back as it does with ubuntu | 13:22 |
| flocculant | not usin gl-l means we can lock for normal users and switch between | 13:23 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: hadn't had time to check all this with xscreensaver | 13:27 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, created bug 1627310 | 13:29 |
| ubottu | bug 1627310 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "Guest session fails to log out" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627310 | 13:29 |
| flocculant | should these be added to b/p? | 13:30 |
| flocculant | the original one is atm | 13:30 |
| flocculant | not that we're likely to forget them :D | 13:30 |
| flocculant | confirmed that bug | 13:30 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I assume I am right in thinking that now we've found ^^ we have a bit more time available (not much) as they'll be wanting us to wait on results ? Though obviously we'll still need time to change locker if necessary and test | 13:34 |
| bluesabre | yeah, we probably shouldn't further bombard them with extra stuff unless we know exactly where to look | 13:35 |
| bluesabre | how's the draft look to you? | 13:35 |
| flocculant | maybe add that Mate isn't affected - might help narrow down where to look? | 13:36 |
| flocculant | doesn't appear to be affected | 13:36 |
| bluesabre | k | 13:37 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: yep - that looks fine to me - doom laden enough without sounding like I wrote it :) | 13:37 |
| bluesabre | :D | 13:38 |
| bluesabre | alrighty then, I'll send this one out | 13:38 |
| flocculant | infinity will at least be expecting some of that | 13:38 |
| flocculant | cheers :) | 13:38 |
| flocculant | I bet akxwi-dave is pleased this happened this cycle :p | 13:40 |
| flocculant | I can't wait for us to fiddle with file-managers next cycle, I can just watch \o/ | 13:40 |
| bluesabre | :D | 13:44 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, mail sent | 13:44 |
| bluesabre | oh | 13:45 |
| bluesabre | Post by non-member to a members-only list | 13:45 |
| bluesabre | thought I was in there... | 13:45 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 13:46 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: best subscribe to it then :D | 13:48 |
| bluesabre | just did | 13:48 |
| flocculant | :p | 13:48 |
| bluesabre | and now I'll cancel and send it again :D | 13:49 |
| flocculant | :p | 13:49 |
| bluesabre | there we go | 13:50 |
| bluesabre | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2016-September/003908.html | 13:50 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 13:50 |
| flocculant | yea - that's what I mean Council AND Tech :p | 13:51 |
| bluesabre | :D | 13:51 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: have a good rest of day and Sunday :) | 13:51 |
| bluesabre | and now, time to continue with the day | 13:51 |
| bluesabre | seeya flocculant, bbl | 13:51 |
| flocculant | I'll be about off and on if you need anything | 13:51 |
| bluesabre | great, thanks | 13:52 |
| krytarik | flocculant, bluesabre: If there is indeed a difference in behavior between Xubuntu and Studio there, then that'd be the result of the former having been switched to using the systemd user session already. | 13:57 |
| flocculant | krytarik: I knew we'd be able to blame systemd :p | 14:02 |
| flocculant | I do like "may negatively impact the other flavors in unique and related circumstances" | 14:07 |
| flocculant | so they'd best have a proper look too :p | 14:08 |
| flocculant | ok - I'm away with the fairies now for a while | 14:08 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: I've not exactly been following entirely. | 15:25 |
| flocculant | Unit193: simply put - there appears to only be an issue when guest logs out - ordinary users can logout and allow locked users to log back in | 15:28 |
| Unit193 | Okay... | 15:42 |
| flocculant | not sure that helps you mich lol | 15:43 |
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