=== andrzejr_ is now known as andrzejr === SwissBot_ is now known as SwissBot [09:47] morning all [09:48] hey bluesabre :) [09:48] Esh, on a weekend? [09:50] :D [09:50] flocculant, so, dead at greeter or after greeter? [09:50] umm [09:51] after logout from guest [09:51] also the pulseaudio crash is odd [09:52] Unit193, that greeter bug is somewhat amusing... you're probably doing it wrong if your computer lab has multiple sessions :\ [09:52] only g-s crashes pa though [09:53] so logout from guest would be the greeter [09:54] bluesabre: obviously if you want a specific u-bug package I'll do that [09:54] I just didn't want us to end up with a bunch of bugs all for similar things from people [09:55] with little time it'd take longer to sort those out than anything else :p [09:58] looks like there might be a rare greeter bug with it just going black http://osdir.com/ml/general/2016-09/msg22771.html [10:00] all of this really might stem from some ugly bug in lightdm or X.org [10:01] mmm [10:02] personally I've not a clue what we should do :p [10:05] yeah [10:06] flocculant, logout from guest is bad in either, and pa is just gnome-screensaver? [10:06] this business they've got with kernels and beta isn't making it very easy to find time to talk to people [10:06] bluesabre: ack [10:08] so definitely some issue exists in lightdm-gtk-greeter, lightdm, and/or xorg [10:08] then I ended up with xfce rather than xubntu - but I think that was me not checking the session type [10:08] bluesabre: yea I'd say so [10:08] but only us - no-one else (including studio) is affected [10:08] flocculant, so we can swap out the greeter to something else to narrow that down [10:09] ok [10:09] bluesabre: have you seen this issue when switching user(s)? [10:10] oh btw - I did add a new admin user and try there - just in case it was some *thing* with guest user - no change [10:10] and I couldn't get back to the original locked session anywhere with anything [10:11] but I assume that's because greeter [10:13] bluesabre: perhaps try with the ubuntu greeter [10:14] mostly cos I'll hate you if you say lets try kde-greeter :p [10:16] :D [10:17] flocculant, I hadn't seen the issue before, tried just now with a bogged down computer, entered guest session, tried to log out, computer froze, restarted [10:17] ok cool - sort of [10:17] at least that means it's not just me being an idjit :) [10:19] I can do some testing later with other greeters easily enough if that helps [10:19] yeah, that should help [10:19] I think the busiest thing I'm up to this weekend is eating :p [10:19] we can also throw lightdm out by testing with gdm [10:20] sounds like its going to be a long weekend :\ [10:20] ok - can you write on http://pad.ubuntu.com/lock-change exactly what you want from me [10:21] I can test with new-greeter, then change to gdm and old-greeter then new one - whatever gets us the best set of data [10:21] * flocculant hopes that there is surely some combination that works [10:22] we don't necessarily need to change - might be we find where the issue lies for someone *canonicalish* to be able to help [10:22] yeah [10:22] looks like I can not log out of the guest session [10:22] k [10:22] everything closes and I am left with the dev wallpaper [10:22] yup [10:23] exactly the same here [10:23] screen doesn't flash black, so I don't think its even getting back to the greeter [10:23] and not only on the vanilla install but here too - and I ended up http://i.imgur.com/t69s536.png [10:23] which was nice ... [10:24] :( [10:25] flocculant, do you know if this is reproducible in a vm? [10:26] bluesabre: hard to tell - can't get one back from suspend [10:27] should be able to test with just locking [10:27] 2 seconds then [10:28] there's basically a few things I want to test here... it might be a bug with the greeter, so we can try guest session in ubuntu-mate... it might be a bug in xfce4-session, though I think we're alone there [10:29] if we can reproduce outside of xubuntu, it will get way easier to get help :) [10:29] vm crashes coming back from guest user [10:29] and yea I know - hence me always trying these things elsewhere [10:30] I haven't actually tested other flavours coming back from guest [10:30] I'm going to be testing these things as well [10:30] I'll test Ubuntu ... [10:31] that's the best place for us to find reproducibility :p [10:33] bluesabre: I'll zsync ubuntu right now - install vm - check guest, be ~15 minutes to a result [10:33] in the meantime perhaps you could write some on the pad - so we both test exactly the same things [10:36] alrighty [10:37] ubuntu has yak on slideshow :p [10:40] flocculant, what happens when you lock your screen, click switch users, and then just log back in as yourself? [10:41] not tried [10:41] I'll try in the vm [10:41] k [10:41] grabbing mate iso too [10:42] lappy updated, rebooting, bbiab [10:44] bluesabre: if I lock, switch user, login as me, password, unlock screen, password - back where I started properly [10:45] ubuntu takes longer to install ... [10:46] flocculant, that's good at least [10:46] yep [10:46] booting ubuntu now - fingers crossed in some bizarrely unfair fashion :p [10:48] starting mate install [10:50] bluesabre: booted ubuntu, can switch users while at normal user desktop - get the Data in guest session warning - then blank screen [10:52] so guest session does not fully load for u? [10:52] not appearing so - redoing now [10:53] oh boy [10:53] switching to guest from lock screen [10:53] further into the rabbit hole... [10:53] yea - but it's not going to be quite so lonely down there now hopefully [10:54] leaving vm for a bit - just in case it's I've got too many running :p [10:54] :) [10:54] I've got 3 isos racing each other as they download [10:54] * flocculant wanders to kitchen to make tea - that should be enough time [10:54] ha ha [10:57] bluesabre: ok - that ubuntu vm is stuck trying to start guest session [10:58] and mate is almost installed [10:59] bluesabre: ok - so ubuntu was hung at guest, ctrl+alt+f7 got me back to lock screen, password and back to where I was [11:02] so that's no good [11:02] :D [11:02] mate just works [11:02] so there are issues with ubuntu at least [11:04] and locking/switching everything seem fine with mate? [11:04] bluesabre: ok - so Xubuntu - login user, lock, login guest, logout, crashes, ctrl+alt+f7, login user, unlock user - back where I started [11:05] alrighty [11:05] bluesabre: and ack for mate working fine [11:06] welllllllllll [11:06] dang [11:06] so - we have the same problem seemingly as ubuntu - which I further assume (or hope) to mean we'll get us fixed without having to change locker [11:06] bluesabre: you were expecting mate to fail and ubuntu to work weren't you :) [11:07] flocculant, I was at least expecting mate to fail [11:07] thought so from reading the pad [11:07] bluesabre: how about I install ubuntu to hardware - then ubuntu-bug from there, dupe our one to it - then go from there? [11:08] or do you still want to be ready for us to move locker if needed? [11:08] flocculant, somewhat different though, right? our guest session loads but won't exit, their guest session won't load [11:08] oh hang on [11:09] regardless of the guest issue - we've got other problems iirc [11:09] our bug is unlock from a normal user fails [11:10] I think I will still run through the stuff on pad for us - we'll have that data then regardless of what happens when we tell -release [11:11] ok [11:11] I'll work through all that this afternoon - add notes to the pad we're using [11:12] I'm getting xubuntu installed in a vm while the others download [11:12] okey doke [11:12] I'll see if I can find anything additional [11:13] yup [11:16] omg :| [11:17] now I found some thunar thing ... unless it's what I couldn't reproduce of Unit193's ... [11:17] flocculant: Got xfce4-gtk3 exo? [11:17] yes - Unit193 I can now reproduce change view to detailed view [11:17] oh yes - got the gtk3 ppa's [11:17] bluesabre's fault. :P [11:18] :) [11:18] exo broken in the ppa? [11:18] bluesabre: got to fly for a bit now - will crack on later with this lock stuff - will get notes there for you to see when you're about [11:19] flocculant, alrighty, hf [11:19] will be about on and off all day, so if you think of anything either ping me or write it on the pad [11:21] will do [11:21] bluesabre: Yeah, poked you about that. [11:22] aha [11:22] can you repoke? [11:22] I miss things :( [11:38] bluesabre: just quickly - vm, remove lightdm, add gdm and a million other things - can't switch user :p [11:38] :D [11:38] so we should do that - then no problem if we go to g-s or xs as there's no way to get to another user :D [11:40] :) [11:40] brilliant! [11:49] bluesabre: what would you say was best thing to bug report against for the ubuntu version? [11:51] flocculant, hard to say... ubuntu-session maybe? the lock screen in ubuntu is part of unity, but the bug is with the session loader [11:58] bluesabre: I've got some success going on here [11:58] added a new user - normal account [11:59] can lock first user - switch to new one - lock that - switch back and forth between them both [11:59] seems to be the guest user causing problems [11:59] cool [12:00] Unit193, any idea what the guest user might be related to? [12:05] bluesabre: and finally - if you logout of a user - seems to lose any chance of getting back to a locked session [12:06] * bluesabre really wants to blame lightdm [12:07] perhaps I should report against that then [12:08] I can (Iassume) reproduce all this in Ubuntu, then we can dupe our bug against it - and hand that new one over [12:09] jeez this is a real pita ... [12:10] very [12:18] bluesabre: ok - can reproduce ^^ in Ubuntu [12:18] and guest kills it [12:18] oh goodie [12:18] that should simplify things :D [12:19] oh wait - just see what happens if I log out of one [12:20] almost [12:20] so if I logout of session in Ubuntu, can resume other locked session [12:20] in Xubuntu appears to logout all sessions [12:21] but surely if I report in Ubuntu - can just comment for Xubuntu the difference [12:22] bluesabre: you sure ubuntu-session? [12:22] flocculant, not sure of anything [12:22] ha ha ha [12:23] ok - well I think I'll report it against kernel - they appear to be worried about that :D [12:25] bluesabre: lightdm because you blame it? [12:28] flocculant, maybe just spam the "also affects" [12:29] ok - with ubuntu-session, xubuntu-session, greeter? [12:35] yeah, seems like a good start [12:37] so both our greeter and the unity one :p [12:38] bluesabre: thanks - I think we've done enough for the moment - at least until *they* can facepalm [12:39] flocculant, thanks a bunch... let me know when we have a bug and I'll see if I can critical it or something [12:39] likely we'll be in a position to not change locker do you think? [12:41] worth waiting till we hear from them I guess [12:45] alrighty [12:45] flocculant, do you still want us to run the testcases as published? Or are there changes coming from your investigation today? [12:49] jjfrv8: I'd guess not just now [12:50] bluesabre: bug 1627304 [12:50] bug 1627304 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "User locking problems - guest login crashing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627304 [12:50] don't ask why it decide to call it unity-greeter - also can't find -sessions to affect [12:53] flocculant, ok, not sure why the -sessions don't show [12:54] no idea - much to much like Lp fu there :) [12:54] looks like ubuntu-session is gnome-session [12:54] apt-get source ubuntu-session [12:54] Reading package lists... Done [12:54] Picking 'gnome-session' as source package instead of 'ubuntu-session' [12:55] xubuntu is probably xubuntu-default-settings more than anything [12:57] ok - done that then [12:58] I've added a comment from our perspective - with our bug, but haven't duped it atm [12:58] jjfrv8: thanks for reminding me - I've sent a mail to the list now :) [12:58] thanks flocculant [12:59] bluesabre: not much more I can do now afaik [12:59] yeah, I think we're basically waiting for ubuntu proper to take a look now [12:59] k - we can move on to the weekend now then \o/ [12:59] flocculant, just saw it, thanks. wfm :) Good work! [13:00] thanks for your help bluesabre :) [13:00] I was getting a bit snowed under with all the permutations :p [13:00] flocculant, seems like you did most of the hard work, I only suggested things that might be related [13:00] which helped enormously :) [13:00] :) [13:00] not even had music on ... [13:00] so it must have been bad [13:01] lol [13:02] bluesabre: actually I wonder if a mail to the release list would be a better method to start the ball rolling? [13:02] if so it might be better coming from you - if they ask tech questions ... [13:02] because currently - this is a blocker for us [13:03] yes [13:03] sometimes it's a bit 'sigh flocculant found another bug for us :(' [13:04] :) [13:07] I'll just wait now to see the mail [13:08] if I've not seen one by Monday I'll get all huffy :D [13:09] :) [13:09] drafting it up on that pad [13:10] been useful that pad :p [13:11] indeed [13:12] I suppose I should also report guest session dying on logout in xubuntu [13:12] yea [13:13] I'd mention that switching between normal users who are locked would be useful [13:13] we both see that, it's only us who have the initial complete fail on lock with light-locker [13:20] flocculant, specifically, xubuntu works when not using light-locker in this scenario, right? [13:22] when not using l-l we have issues with guest, but vt7 brings lock dialogue back as it does with ubuntu [13:23] not usin gl-l means we can lock for normal users and switch between [13:27] bluesabre: hadn't had time to check all this with xscreensaver [13:29] flocculant, created bug 1627310 [13:29] bug 1627310 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "Guest session fails to log out" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627310 [13:30] should these be added to b/p? [13:30] the original one is atm [13:30] not that we're likely to forget them :D [13:30] confirmed that bug [13:34] bluesabre: I assume I am right in thinking that now we've found ^^ we have a bit more time available (not much) as they'll be wanting us to wait on results ? Though obviously we'll still need time to change locker if necessary and test [13:35] yeah, we probably shouldn't further bombard them with extra stuff unless we know exactly where to look [13:35] how's the draft look to you? [13:36] maybe add that Mate isn't affected - might help narrow down where to look? [13:36] doesn't appear to be affected [13:37] k [13:37] bluesabre: yep - that looks fine to me - doom laden enough without sounding like I wrote it :) [13:38] :D [13:38] alrighty then, I'll send this one out [13:38] infinity will at least be expecting some of that [13:38] cheers :) [13:40] I bet akxwi-dave is pleased this happened this cycle :p [13:40] I can't wait for us to fiddle with file-managers next cycle, I can just watch \o/ [13:44] :D [13:44] flocculant, mail sent [13:45] oh [13:45] Post by non-member to a members-only list [13:45] thought I was in there... [13:46] ha ha ha [13:48] bluesabre: best subscribe to it then :D [13:48] just did [13:48] :p [13:49] and now I'll cancel and send it again :D [13:49] :p [13:50] there we go [13:50] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2016-September/003908.html [13:50] \o/ [13:51] yea - that's what I mean Council AND Tech :p [13:51] :D [13:51] bluesabre: have a good rest of day and Sunday :) [13:51] and now, time to continue with the day [13:51] seeya flocculant, bbl [13:51] I'll be about off and on if you need anything [13:52] great, thanks [13:57] flocculant, bluesabre: If there is indeed a difference in behavior between Xubuntu and Studio there, then that'd be the result of the former having been switched to using the systemd user session already. [14:02] krytarik: I knew we'd be able to blame systemd :p [14:07] I do like "may negatively impact the other flavors in unique and related circumstances" [14:08] so they'd best have a proper look too :p [14:08] ok - I'm away with the fairies now for a while [15:25] bluesabre: I've not exactly been following entirely. [15:28] Unit193: simply put - there appears to only be an issue when guest logs out - ordinary users can logout and allow locked users to log back in [15:42] Okay... [15:43] not sure that helps you mich lol === Guest83838 is now known as sidi === Punna is now known as Pwnna === SwissBot_ is now known as SwissBot === andrzejr_ is now known as andrzejr === meetingology` is now known as meetingology === meetingology` is now known as meetingology === andrzejr_ is now known as andrzejr === DalekSec_ is now known as DalekSec