[00:08] <cablop> hello
[00:09] <cablop> i'm on Kubuntu 16.04, hence KDE 5... Plasma keeps crashing, and i can't figure out why. I thought it was the nVidia card, then i moved to the onboard Radeon, but the problem does persist... how can i troubleshot the thing?
[00:26] <DarinMiller> cablop:  Ensure to install the backports ppa: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[00:27] <DarinMiller> cablop: then sudo apt-get update
[00:27] <DarinMiller> cablop: sudo apt fullupgrade
[01:05] <cablop> DarinMiller: are the kubuntu backports safe? or could they introduce more unstability?
[01:06] <cablop> consider i'm on Kubuntu 16.04, the LTS release
[01:16] <SporkWitch> cablop: i've been on backports a few months now; just the opposite, significant improvements, especially given how broken 16.04 is without them
[01:18] <SporkWitch> i strongly recomment doing update && upgrade && full-upgrade, rather than update && full-upgrade.  goes much smoother, and helps prevent some conflicts.  There are one or two packages that have been replaced, though, and you'll want to install the new ones (particularly with regard to Activities, if you're one of the two people besides the team lead that actually uses the horrid things)
[01:18] <SporkWitch> can't remember the package names off the top of my head, though, but with some thought and aptitude search, you can figure it out (might also be some google results)
[01:19] <SporkWitch> (basically look at what the updates want to remove,and look for similar packages that don't conflict when you try to install them after the full-upgrade)
[01:20] <DarinMiller> cablop: They are safe.  The kubunttu-devs are very careful when adding the backport packages.  I have been running them all summer-no issues.
[01:21] <SporkWitch> clearly more careful they were than when they let 16.04 out lol
[01:21] <SporkWitch> *than they
[01:21] <DarinMiller> cablop: If you encounter any issues related to packaging, ensure to file a bug report and mention it in the #kubuntu-devel channel.
[01:22] <cablop> can i reverse a fullupgrade to kubuntu backports?
[01:23] <SporkWitch> not easily
[01:24] <SporkWitch> whether it's a full-upgrade or just a bunch of things getting removed by accident (way to go, dep conflict resolution on 16.04 deciding to nuke all of KDE! partly my fault for not looking more closely at a command i've run a million times before)
[01:25] <SporkWitch> it's often easier at that point to just reinstall
[01:25] <cablop> well... then once i run into issues, if any, i'll disable the ppa for a while (while fixing, in fact)
[01:27] <cablop> but i have to admit that Kubuntu 16.04 was more on the dissapointment side than the awesome side for me... the network manager utterly broken, the bugs, and the localization thing working ala Gnome (that is, few and nazi options, instead of the wide range of configuration options of KDE 4)
[01:28] <DarinMiller> cablop: PPA can be purged by installing ppa-purge (sudo apt install ppa-purge)
[01:28] <cablop> oh!
[01:28] <cablop> i need to take note of that
[01:28] <DarinMiller> cablop: then run sudo ppa-purge ppa_name
[01:30] <DarinMiller> cablop: I am confident you will appreciate the many issues the ppa fixes!
[01:31] <cablop> SporkWitch: what's the difference between upgrade and fullupgrade?
[01:33] <DarinMiller> SporkWitch: Looking at the man pages for apt, upgrade and full-upgrade are similar, but full-upgrade will remove packages if needed.
[01:33] <SporkWitch> cablop: upgrade won't do any updates that would mean removing deps of other packages or deps have not been upgraded to needed version; full-upgrade will say "fuck you" and happily start nuking things to force the core system to update
[01:34] <cablop> OMG!
[01:34] <cablop> how can i test what packages do need fuulupgrade before performing it?
[01:34] <cablop> *fullupgrade
[01:38] <DarinMiller> cablop: after performing apt udpate, run apt list --upgradeable to view what packages will be upgraded.  If you are concerned about issues, you can alway spin up a virtual environment and test there.
[01:43] <SporkWitch> cablop: that's why i say do do upgrade first THEN full-upgrade.  It makes it MUCH easier to see what's actually happening, since upgrade does the majority of it relatively safely; when you then do the full-upgrade there are FAR fewer things being installed or removed, making it easier to parse what's going on
[01:43] <SporkWitch> (it also seems to make the automatic dep resolution have an easier time, since it's not having to deal as many interconnecting things, since much has already been taken care of)
[01:44] <SporkWitch> s/do do/to do/
[02:00] <cablop> the upgrade is still running
[02:49] <cablop> lol
[02:49] <cablop> no fullupgrade option for apt
[02:49] <cablop> o.O
[02:50] <cablop> ok, it is full-upgrade
[02:50] <cablop> now nuking the thing :s
[09:50] <adeb> helo
[09:51] <adeb> plase help me
[09:51] <adeb> how to install nvida
[09:53] <adeb> 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF117M [GeForce 610M/710M/810M/820M / GT 620M/625M/630M/720M] (rev a1) 	Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] GeForce GT 720M
[09:53] <adeb> ?
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[17:48] <Smurphy> Evening :)
[18:14] <cablop> hello
[18:15] <cablop> i have this issue, the plasma thing keeps crashing then reloading due to "segment fault"... what can i do to solve it? could it be an incompatibility with sddm? should i move to lightdm?
[18:19] <ahoneybun> cablop: are you on 16.04?
[18:19] <cablop> yes, i am
[18:19] <ahoneybun> with backports?
[18:26] <cablop> yes, i enabled them yesterday
[18:26] <ahoneybun> and update/upgraded
[18:26] <ahoneybun> ?
[18:27] <cablop> yes, i updated, upgraded and full-upgraded after that
[18:27] <ahoneybun> sddm should have no issues
[18:27] <cablop> now i feel the KDE runs smoothier and more polished... that issue remained
[18:27] <cablop> i'm using an onboard integrated ATI GPU
[18:28] <ahoneybun> lightdm might bring more issues
[18:28] <ahoneybun> oh AMD
[18:28] <cablop> i'm using SDDM at the moment
[18:29] <ahoneybun> ATI/AMD is ify on 16,04
[18:29] <cablop> i'm using it, because the nVidia card is working weird
[18:29] <cablop> and i had other issues with it
[18:29] <ahoneybun> is it a AMD APU then?
[18:30] <cablop> the plasma crashed with it too, but very very less frequent
[18:30] <cablop> nope, it's somehow old
[18:30] <cablop> i'm on a board from 2009
[18:32] <cablop> a good one, but older than modern APUs
[18:32] <cablop> i moved to it, to test, cause the CPU is AMD too
[18:32] <ahoneybun> mm I know I've seen crashs sometmes
[18:32] <cablop> and i thought maybe the nVidia card and the AMD were not playing well
[18:32] <ahoneybun> but I;ve not seen them on 16.10
[18:32] <ahoneybun> NVIDIA never had issues for me really
[18:32] <cablop> hmmm
[18:33] <cablop> let me check the repos
[18:35] <cablop> sigh, i got disconnected... so i didn't read anything, if you said sth
[18:35] <ahoneybun> I saw that no worries
[18:41] <cablop> hmmm... my synaptic is set to prefer things from xenial updates instead of backports
[18:41] <ahoneybun> mm I would go by what /etc/apt/sources.list says
[18:46] <cablop> it was disordered, so i minimalized it
[18:46] <cablop> am i right by saying xenial < xenial-security < xenial-updates < xenial-backports ?
[18:47] <ahoneybun> I've never moved them around or anything
[18:48] <cablop> i did that in the past, so i don't worry too much, i just cleaned duplicated lines and simplified some others
[19:28] <cablop> does the kubuntu-backports pps depends on the ubuntu-backports repo to be enabled?
 synaptic rather than muon, @cablop?
[19:45] <valorie> oh also: kubuntu-backports is on its own
[19:45] <valorie> you can install ubuntu-backports as well, or not; your choice
 Mm Intel works better then Nvidia
[20:07] <user|28680> can someone help me
[20:07] <DarinMiller> maybe
[20:07] <Nightmaster> ?
[20:08] <DarinMiller> user|28680: asked if anyone could help.  I was answering honestly....
[20:08] <user|28680> I downloaded kubuntu 16.04 onto a usb. I booted up my pc that has a clean hard drive. When I try to install it an error comes up every time. Then when it installs, I restart my pc to find out it didnt install
[20:10] <valorie> user|28680: downloaded it, or burned it as an ISO?
[20:10] <valorie> and what error message?
[20:11] <user|28680> I burned it as an iso on my flash drive
[20:11] <user|28680> It keeps saying this "ubi-partman failed with exit code 141. Further information may be found in /var/log/syslog. Do you want to try running this step again before continuing? If you do not, your installation may fail entirely or may be broken."
[20:11] <valorie> I just put 16.04.1 (32-bit) onto an old XP laptop yesterday; worked fine
[20:11] <valorie> hmmm
[20:11] <user|28680> This is 64-bit on a laptop thats less than 3 years old
[20:12] <valorie> you might need to run in a konsole `sudo dpkg configure -a`
[20:12] <valorie> and perhaps also `sudo apt install -f`
[20:13] <valorie> the -a for all, the -f for fix
[20:14] <user|28680> I'll try that real fast, thank you
[20:19] <cablop> valorie: then i disable ubuntu-backports and leave kubuntu-bakports ppa
[20:20] <user|28680> I don't understand what you mean.
[20:21] <cablop> IrcsomeBot, Valoriez, i didn't see Moun on Kubuntu 16.04... is something called Discover, but i added the synaptic just to do a few things that are tooooo hard to be done on those Sw managers for newbies
[20:22] <user|28680> Is anybody able to help me or no?
[20:22] <cablop> user|28680: are you installing it side by side another OS?
[20:23] <valorie> user|28680: do you know how to use the commandline?
[20:23] <valorie> it's called konsole in kubuntu
[20:23] <user|28680> I'm not installing it side by side, I know how to open konsole
[20:23] <user|28680> I dont know the commands is all
[20:24] <valorie> or control + alt + f2, 3, 4 to open up a terminal
[20:24] <valorie> dpkg is the "debian package manager" , configure -a runs through all the configurations
[20:25] <valorie> anything unset will be fixed
[20:25] <valorie> apt install -f fixes any borked installations
[20:26] <valorie> sudo gives the proper permissions to get those commands done
[20:26] <valorie> cablop -- discover is a "software store"
[20:26] <valorie> muon is a package manager like synaptic
[20:26] <valorie> I prefer it, but synaptic works too
[20:26] <cablop> well, i think it wasn't installed by default
[20:27] <cablop> and i'm used to synaptic
[20:31] <user|64203> Can someone help me? I'm having trouble with installing kubuntu 16.04.1 on my pc
[20:34] <user|64203> Can anyone help?
[20:35] <cablop> name your problem so we can see if we can help
[20:37] <user|39710> Is there anybody that can help me with an issue
[20:39] <user|39710> guess not. looks like I wont be having a computer today..
[20:39] <clivejo> user|39710: just ask the question, if someone can answer they will
[20:40]  * clivejo rolls eyes
[20:42] <clivejo> user|47460: ask your question, if someone can answer, they will
[20:56] <cablop> user|47460: just ask your question, and the one able to help will... we are already here for that
[20:58] <user|47460> I was in here earlier, I was the one with the error while installing. I was waiting for a response for the konsole commands and for some reason it kicked me off the website
[21:00] <user|47460> It managed to finally let me onto the installation page, but it has said "The installation will finish soon. We hope you enjoy Kubuntu." for the past 30 minutes now
[21:06] <valorie> user|47460: best to wait until it's done
[21:07] <cablop> user|47460: hmmm... in your case i'd prepare the machine before installing, and install
[21:07] <valorie> although if your screen has gone dark, you might want to wake it up and see if it is waiting on a response from you
[21:07] <valorie> sometimes I've been cussing at it, only to find it's waiting on a y or n question
[21:08] <user|47460> I've been letting it install, its still responsive and I keep checking up on it to make sure my screen doesnt go black.
[21:08] <cablop> the thing again
[21:09] <cablop> because i won't trust that installation
[21:09] <user|47460> What do you mean by prepare the machine?
[21:11] <cablop> for example, if i'm installing a Linux to replace an existing Windows i'll prepare the partitions before, if i'm replacing a Windows (specially a Win 8 or 10) i'll wipe out all the UEFI stuff
 you need a UEFI partition though
[21:15] <cablop> user|47460, ahoneybun, not exactly... i had issues installing another OS on a a recent laptop, so i wiped out all partitions, converted the disk from GPT to MBR, enabled legacy BIOS support on the BIOS, started the box qith the installer inside, then pressed the key to select boot device and i had two options for the DVD drive, with UEFI and legacy BIOS, selected legacy BIOS and installed ...
[21:15] <cablop> ... without issues
 well if you use the legacy option then no
 but if you use efi you will
[21:16] <cablop> i realized i didn't need UEFI after all and legacy booting was pretty ok for me
[21:17] <user|47460> I didnt have anything on this device before, its a fresh hard drive with nothing on it. I am currently running kubuntu through my usb flash drive. There wasnt any old os to get rid of
[21:17] <cablop> user|47460: so, in short, first of all go and set the options you need in the BIOS, before anything else
[21:18] <user|47460> This is all gibberish to me, can you dumb down the explanation as much as possible?
[21:18] <cablop> user|47460: then set the disk the way you need, backup, partition, wipe unneeded partitions, if necessary rebuild MBR or EFI partitions, they could have things interfering with the install
[21:19] <cablop> user|47460: ok, perfect; don't you have another machine to connect to IRC?
[21:20] <user|47460> Yes I do
[21:20] <valorie> everyone: why don't we just wait? user|47460 has an install in progress that seems to be going well
[21:23] <user|47460> The install finished. I restarted my pc and it still didnt install.
[21:24] <user|47460> It said it did but in all reality it didn't.
[21:25] <cablop> user|47460: hmmm
[21:25] <cablop> user|47460: i think the thing could be related to UEFI or legacy mode... but it could be anything else
[21:27] <cablop> user|47460: to boot in legacy mode is safe if your laptop support it, so you can give that a try... you need to enable the support for it on the BIOS, change the disk to MBR instead of GPT (except if it is bigger than 2TB), then select boot menu when booting your laptop and launch Kubuntu in legacy (NO uefi) mode
[21:27] <cablop> then install
[21:33] <cablop> if you don't need EFI for a specific reason, my suggestion is safe
[21:34] <cablop> and can help you isolate the problem if it is not already solved with that
[21:35] <user|98888> I'm back, sorry about that. I had to switch to my other computer so I can get this figured out
[21:35] <cablop> :(
[21:35] <cablop> user|98888: i'd repeat what i said then
[21:35] <cablop> i was about to shutdown
[21:36] <cablop> user|98888: i think the thing could be related to UEFI or legacy mode... but it could be anything else
[21:36] <cablop> despite that, you can try it, it is safe
[21:36] <cablop> it is to not to use UEFI and use legacy mode
[21:37] <cablop> o boot in legacy mode is safe if your laptop support it, so you can give that a try... you need to enable the support for it on the BIOS, change the disk to MBR instead of GPT (except if it is bigger than 2TB), then select boot menu when booting your laptop and launch Kubuntu in legacy (NO uefi) mode
[21:37] <cablop> if you don't need EFI for a specific reason, my suggestion is safe
[21:37] <cablop> and can help you isolate the problem if it is not already solved with that
[21:38] <cablop> i'll be back in a while
[21:46] <valorie> seems more like it could be a grub problem
[21:46] <valorie> !grub
[21:48] <valorie> I've had to fix one install where the grub was installed to the thumbdrive instead of the laptop
[21:48] <valorie> evidently this is a very old bug, only very occasionally happening for many years
[21:49] <valorie> I used the thumbdrive live system to fix it
[21:50] <valorie> sometimes `update-grub` is enough
[23:17] <cablop> i tested the RAM last night, despite that i decided to switch the RAM stick to different slots, i placed back the NVIDIa card and installed the propietary driver... AND THE PLASMA KEEPS CRASHING
[23:18] <cablop> sigh
[23:19] <valorie> :(
[23:20] <cablop> i am using the kubuntu-backports ppa, updated, upgraded and full-upgraded... and it just crash!
[23:20] <cablop> i can't determine what's happening with this box
[23:20] <cablop> i think the CPU could be the guilty one
[23:22] <cablop> mmm, but i also doubt that, the apps that use to crash are Plasma, Firefox and Thunderbird... same apps always
[23:22] <cablop> fresh install :*(
[23:26] <valorie> weird
[23:26] <valorie> my 16.04 box runs like a charm
[23:26] <valorie> as does this 16.10 install
[23:29] <cablop> o.O
[23:29] <cablop> i stopped using non-LTS releases many many years go
[23:38] <valorie> I like the bleeding edge when possible