[00:18] <MelmaK> Hi
[00:42] <manzoor> Hey
[00:42] <manzoor> pretty neat, a chatroom for this OS
[00:43] <manzoor> I should have said Hello World..
[03:59] <newscripter> hi guys. What's the difference between "Ubuntu MATE" and "GNOME 2" in the pre-made panel configs?
[07:36] <mate|74984> hello
[07:36] <mate|74984> anyone here?
[07:36] <mate|74984> i've installed lxde as an additional option but its not showing on light dm.. any ideas?
[10:23] <mate|27631> hello. i've install lxde and it doesn't show up as an option on lightdm
[10:23] <mate|27631> any ideas why?
[10:24] <mate|27631> i want a lighter DE when doing intensive thjings
[10:27] <mate|27631> ?
[10:27] <ouroumov> mate|27631, have you asked on the forum?
[10:29] <mate|27631> not yet
[10:30] <ouroumov> mate|27631, if you post on the forums @ https://ubuntu-mate.community/c/support you'll have better visibility
[11:15] <TaZeR> ubuntu-mate the one buntu to rule them all!
[12:23] <omega> how can i format a flash in Ubuntu mate
[12:39] <ouroumov> omega, hi
[12:40] <ouroumov> omega, you have a built-in "disk" utility in System -> Preferences -> Hardware -> Disks
[12:40] <ouroumov> omega, you can also install "gparted", a slightly more advanced tool.
[14:30] <ubuntu-mate> hola
[14:31] <ubuntu-mate> power mac g5 no me arranca con la instalacion de ubuntu mate
[15:28] <RFleming> Morning!
[15:31] <ouroumov> hi RFleming
[15:32] <RFleming> how goes it ouroumov
[15:33] <ouroumov> it goes
[15:54] <RFleming> ouroumov: I hear ya.
[16:42] <mahdyfo> hi There isn't any gimp on ubuntu mate ?!
[17:05] <mate|45947> Good day, all. My only ISP choice, Charter, replaced our equipment with a router that I have zero access to. Is there any way to share files over two networks (wireless is 10.2.194.x and wired is 10.10.10.x) without going using their locked down router?
[17:06] <ouroumov_> mate|45947, they've firewalled the two nets?
[17:06] <mate|45947> ikr :/
[17:07] <ouroumov_> mate|45947, have you tested to see if the two nets are firewalled?
[17:08] <ouroumov_> mate|45947, because it's unusual to have that kind of firewall configuration on stock routers
[17:08] <ouroumov_> usually if there's a firewall it between WAN and LAN, not between two LAN nets
[17:11] <mate|45947> Oh, sry, I'm not sure how to test that. The router is hidden inside the wall and it only has a single ethernet port to it. That's where I plugged in my main PC (10.10.10.x). It's running an emby server, to which connections from the wireless network timeout.
[17:11] <ouroumov_> What's the OS on both machines?
[17:11] <ouroumov_> Ubuntu MATE ?
[17:12] <ouroumov_> (wtf a wall-hidden router, those guys are crazy)
[17:12] <mate|45947> Mate on this machine (the PC), but windows and android on the wireless ones
[17:13] <ouroumov_> mate|45947, I don't suppose you know an equivalent to "netcat" for windows?
[17:13] <mate|45947> no but i can google ;)
[17:15] <ouroumov_> mate|45947, start by running an nmap scan of your wireless net from your UM machine:
[17:15] <ouroumov_> 1. sudo apt install nmap
[17:15] <ouroumov_> 2. sudo nmap -sS -T5 10.2.194.0/24
[17:15] <ouroumov_> If you see ports open on the windows host it's unlikely that there's a firewall between the two nets
[17:16] <mate|45947> understood
[17:20] <mate|45947> Ok, i ran the nmap scan from an ubuntu gnome laptop on the wireless network. Open ports on the router are 21, 22, 23, 53, 80, 443 and 2000 (port 2000 is "MikroTik bandwidth-test server"). Open ports on the windows rig are 139 and 445.
[17:22] <ouroumov_> So yeah, no firewall (I think)
[17:22] <Akuli> i like to turn on my firewall
[17:22] <ouroumov_> mate|45947, maybe it's a server configuration issue?
[17:22] <Akuli> nothing really listens to an incoming connection, but it doesn't matter me and allowing stuff through is easy
[17:23] <mate|45947> I have no idea, not yet network literate heh
[17:23] <mate|45947> right
[17:24] <ouroumov_> I'm gonna have to quit so I can eat food tonight. mate|45947 maybe you could consider buying a decent router and plug it in the only available port?
[17:24] <ouroumov_> bbl
[18:24] <brian_> I am using ubuntu mate 16.04 LTS, And i have two slight issues... One is that the volume control on the top panel is unusable (it shows a audio icon but three dashes and shows nothing when clicked....) and second is it opened two sessions of spotify and is now playing one song, and if i press play on my keyboard it wont stop, but instead the one it shows in the client starts to play...
[18:25] <ouroumov_> brian_, go to mate tweak
[18:25] <brian_> nevermind about that second one, simply just entered killall spotify into the terminal
[18:25] <ouroumov_> brian_, under interface, check "enable indicators"
[18:25] <brian_> ouroumov_, it is.
[18:25] <ouroumov_> hù
[18:26] <brian_> ouroumov_, its just that one volume indicator
[18:26] <ouroumov_> That's weird, it usually behaves well with other players
[18:26] <ouroumov_> (Banshee, Clementine, etc)
[18:26] <brian_> ouroumov_, earlier it showed the volume controls when clicked, but adjusting it didn't pause the music playing or change the volume...
[18:27] <ouroumov_> I don't use spotify myself but maybe you can ask on our forums see if other people can reproduce this behavior?
[18:28] <brian_> ouroumov_, its not spotify thats the problem... even the default music player... and it wont change the system volume at all... the slider moves but nothing happens.
[18:28] <ouroumov_> very weird
[18:28] <ouroumov_> Do you have more than one sound card?
[18:28] <brian_> ouroumov_, i found a ubuntu forums post of my problem, but the page wont load (every other webpage does)
[18:29] <brian_> ouroumov_, no. I think its a integrated sound chip, i have a commercial desktop (Dell XPS 8700 Special Edition: Gtx 745)
[18:30] <brian_> ouroumov_, everything works fine on my seperate Ubuntu 16.04 running unity...
[18:30] <ouroumov_> Well I don't know how to help, sorry
[18:31] <brian_> ouroumov_, okay, Well, is there some way i can uninstall the indicator applet and reinstall?
[18:31] <brian_> ouroumov_, i haven't really ever needed to mess with the indicators on a distro... so im not sure of the details on that... Is it all one service?
[18:32] <mate|57587> whats the current non bloatware reputable anti virus software/ definitely not avast
[18:33] <Akuli> mate|57587, common sense 2.0
[18:33] <mate|57587> inb4 no anti virus software
[18:33] <ouroumov_> brian_, I don't know sorry. Again, you're welcome to ask on our forums (better visibility)
[18:33] <brian_> ouroumov_, okay. Thanks though.
[18:33] <mate|57587> yeah I know ;P but Im paranoid and wwant it anyway
[18:33] <Akuli> mate|57587, then update your system every day
[18:34] <Akuli> sudo aptitude update, then after that sudo aptitude upgrade
[18:34] <brian_> mate|57587, If you really want one... Get clamAV with clamTK, or EsetNod32
[18:34] <Akuli> ew
[18:34] <Akuli> seriously, antiviruses cause more trouble than good things on linux
[18:35] <Akuli> mate|57587, my recommendations: 1) use common sense 2) update everything as often as you like 3) if you're paranoid turn on ufw with sudo ufw enable
[18:35] <mate|57587> why and thanks brian
[18:35] <brian_> Though, if you update daily you really dont need one... I originally wanted one... but i've since changed my mind and haven't used one in months.
[18:35] <Akuli> eset is after all a nonfree product. clamav is not, but that also means its practically useless when it comes to detecting new threats
[18:36] <mate|57587> ubuntu team is so good that updating is as good as antibirus software?
[18:36] <Akuli> yes
[18:36] <Akuli> viruses don't magically "come" to your computer
[18:36] <Akuli> they come in through your web browser, so you might also want an ad blocker
[18:36] <brian_> 99.9% chance it will never detect anything, as your system will be clean. (the only thing you should do is configure your firewall (a good one is UFW) use a good adblocker (system wide, or web browser (i like Adguard)))
[18:37] <Akuli> ((())()()))
[18:37] <Akuli> lol :D
[18:37] <brian_> lol... im so used to doing that
[18:37] <Akuli> :)
[18:38] <Akuli> so we have: 1) common sense 2) more common sense 3) updates 4) ufw 5) ad blocker
[18:38] <Akuli> that's way better than just a stupid antivirus
[18:38] <mate|57587> okay
[18:38] <brian_> mate|57587, found this intresting a while ago, still have a website saved with some intresting python scripts... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Linuxvirus
[18:39] <Akuli> lol 2007
[18:39] <Akuli> 2001
[18:40] <brian_> Akuli, it specifically states none of them do damage anyways... They mostly were only proof of concepts and only infected files if allowed root.
[18:40] <Akuli> still good advice though
[18:40] <mate|57587> thanks botth of you
[18:40] <Akuli> right.. root permissions are one of the big reasons why antivirus isn't really necessary
[18:40] <Akuli> and why sudo shouldn't be abused
[18:42] <brian_> I like how this IRC is much more chilled, Yet still active.
[18:42] <Akuli> :)
[18:42] <Akuli> one more thing: what would you do if you would somehow get infected?
[18:43] <Akuli> 1) create a new user account and log into it 2) change passwords.
[18:43] <Akuli> and you're done. viruses can't have root access so they'll be stuck in your old account.
[18:44] <brian_> Akuli, Try clamAV, Change my user passwords, Update system, Disconnect internet and use another device for learning... And if nothing else, Wipe using my drive i have sitting by and use my file backups and think back to what i installed recently that brought the infection
[18:44] <brian_> and search up the system proccess ID and do research on it too.
[18:45] <Akuli> really, clamav is for checking, not for cleaning
[18:45] <brian_> But it would give a idea of what it is, so i can take care of it
[18:45] <Akuli> reinstall is the one and true way if it has gotten root access though
[18:45] <brian_> Well if its a replicator, i'd reinstall... since i frequently switch distros anyways i already have a SD card with all my files
[18:46] <Akuli> :)
[18:46] <rahtgaz> speaking of which, is Aptik a good solution for those of us wishing to reinstall out systems once and a while? Has anyone used it>?
[18:46] <Akuli> i need to go now, if someone wants to tell me something leave me memos :) /msg memoserv help send
[18:47] <brian_> rahtgaz, i dont know what that is, but i just use multiple flash drives (16 GB usually.) and keep my files backed up on a SD card regularly.
[18:48] <rahtgaz> Yeah. I do full backups of my home directory too. However, a reinstall annoys me bedcause of all the packages I installed before and I can no longer remember
[18:48] <brian_> rahtgaz, lol i use the ghetto way... Mostly dropbox and text files
[18:48] <rahtgaz> I can test Aptik which is supposed to tell you what you have installed before. I'm just wondering if anyone had used it before.
[18:49] <rahtgaz> yeah.
[18:49] <brian_> rahtgaz, does it tell you or keep a record so that it reinstalls everything later for you?
[18:50] <brian_> rahtgaz, looked at it, going to check it out.
[18:51] <rahtgaz> It has some options to restore packages if you backup them through it. But I don't like that type of automation. It's always a source of problems
[18:51] <brian_> rahtgaz, looks like you can store the backups on dropbox or google drive
[18:52] <rahtgaz> right. But I don't want that. I just want it to tell me what I had installed.
[18:52] <rahtgaz> I prefer manuall ijnstalling stuff myself
[18:52] <brian_> rahtgaz, just use a text editor, or create a python program to do it.
[18:52] <rahtgaz> sorry for the typos
[18:53] <rahtgaz> That's not a problem. Was just wondering about this application ability to cut on that work
[18:53] <brian_> i mean you could also make a python app to store cloud backups like i want, but i'd rather use some service
[18:54] <brian_> rahtgaz, yeah, its local it seems, its just that it allows you to use dropbox or google drive if its installed on your system and it sends the files to the folder that the clouds provide.
[18:55] <brian_> it looks like it also copies the themes and app data and zips it neatly.
[18:57] <rahtgaz> that is part of the home directory backup I do daily. So that I don't need. Guess i'll just use apt and grep to create a list of installed packages and set it to run with cron or before shutdown
[19:01] <ubuntu-mate> y
[19:02] <rahtgaz> =13
[19:02] <rahtgaz> ;
[19:18] <b6s3d> hi
[19:18] <b6s3d> how do i install for uefi?
[19:18] <b6s3d> which tools do i need
[19:24] <ouroumov_> hi b6s3d
[19:24] <ouroumov_> you don't need any particular tool
[19:24] <ouroumov_> just burn your USB drive as per the website, and make sure you boot it in uefi mode
[19:26] <Legend> hey guys
[19:44] <alkisg> b6s3d: you don't need any tools, just the mate 64bit live cd
[19:59] <ubuntu-mate> hey
[19:59] <ubuntu-mate> after installing ubuntu mate i can't boot it from mmcblk0p1, on my lenovo ideapad 100s
[20:03] <alkisg> What is the error message?
[20:05] <ubuntu-mate> boot menu
[20:06] <ubuntu-mate> i have disabled uefi fully in bios menu
[20:06] <alkisg> "boot menu" is a strange message for an error
[20:06] <ubuntu-mate> THere is no error message
[20:07] <alkisg> Can your laptop boot from the sd card?
[20:07] <ubuntu-mate> i don't think so
[20:07] <ubuntu-mate> i am going to try to install windows on a sd card
[20:08] <alkisg> Well then how could mate boot if the laptop doesn't support it...
[20:08] <alkisg> Use a hard disk, or a usb disk/stick
[20:08] <ubuntu-mate> live usb
[20:08] <ubuntu-mate> is there any tools to make it bootable
[20:08] <alkisg> mmcblk0p1 is the sdcard
[20:08] <alkisg> It's not a live usb
[20:08] <ubuntu-mate> so i should install it on a usb stick?
[20:09] <alkisg> No, install it on the hard disk
[20:09] <alkisg> The hard disk is sda
[20:09] <ubuntu-mate> there is no room for harddisk's
[20:10] <alkisg> What internal storage does it have?
[20:10] <ubuntu-mate> mmcblk0p1
[20:10] <ubuntu-mate> mmcblk0p
[20:11] <alkisg> Is that the internal storage, or the external sd card?
[20:11] <ubuntu-mate> gonna install it on a usb then use the micro sd slot for extra data such as home dir
[21:36] <brian_> alkisg, boot a sd card just as if it was a USB flash drive, works on some computers that dont have "SD" option directly
[22:57] <mh_> Hi guys