[07:34] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:18] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:28] <foobarry> when the lights only go green for 10seconds...you are 50yds from the bus stop and have to endure a 10 min wait because the driver won't let you off early :(
[08:43] <zmoylan-1i> on the old routemasters you just tucked and rolled tot he kerb... :-)
[08:44] <foobarry> yeah. we were stationary...
[08:44] <zmoylan-pi> catching buses after they pulled away was possible too
[08:44] <foobarry> once we had a customer revolt and pressed the emergency button
[08:45] <zmoylan-pi> i was on a bus once when the driver didn't open the doors at a really important stop, i think he didn't notice. so while bus was in traffic i wrenched the door open and got off while bus was stuck in traffic followed by a dozen or so others
[08:45] <foobarry> there's a button above the door
[08:46] <zmoylan-pi> i was so angry that i didn't even consider it
[08:46] <zmoylan-pi> i have ripped the doors open before when a driver closed them on my laptop bag and started to drive away
[08:46] <foobarry> typically the most angry people are the ones who prmptly step into the path of a cyclist
[08:46] <zmoylan-pi> so went with what i knew worked
[08:47] <zmoylan-pi> i always check for cyclists carefully
[08:48] <zmoylan-pi> even moron ones going wrong way on one way street
[08:49] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: that's cause cycle lanes don't have directions on them ;)
[08:49] <zmoylan-pi> for them i usually take a stance that indicates it'll hurt them more than it hurts me
[08:50] <zmoylan-pi> if they're on a cycle lane then they're not breaking the law, if they aren't then they're idiots who need a punching
[08:52] <popey> Morning all :)
[08:54] <davmor2> There are two things that really annoy me, Cyclist who don't stop at traffic lights because amazingly the law doesn't apply to them and those that cycle on the footpath, I still think cycling proficiency should be mandatory at schools as should lights and reflectors
[08:55] <popey> i found my cycling proficiency certificate over the weekend
[08:55] <popey> from ~30 years ago
[08:57] <davmor2> popey: man you were old when you took yours
[08:59] <davmor2> popey: I was in 1st or second year of Cubs so 8-9 maybe
[09:00] <davmor2> so nearer 40 than 30 man I feel old now
[09:02] <foobarry> i never took mine since they were racist against bmx and grifters
[09:05] <davmor2> foobarry: no they weren't you just needed all the correct equipment on them which they didn't have by default :P
[09:05] <foobarry> wheels and steering?
[09:05] <foobarry> pedals
[09:05] <foobarry> my school didn't consider them proper bikes to ride to school on
[09:06] <BigRedS> haha, I think I did mine on a purple raleigh bmx
[09:10] <popey> davmor2: hm, maybe a few more then
[09:12] <popey> yeah, i was in middle school, so probably same age
[09:22] <zmoylan-pi> i don't mind cyclists on a pavement as long as they are going slow and been careful around pedestrians... but cyclists racing along the path risking hitting people and especially very young kids on that path need an attitude adjusting
[09:37] <diplo> Morning all
[09:38] <diplo> Two monday mornings, two very ill kids in a row :/ at least it was a different one this time
[09:45] <zmoylan-pi> it was when i was sick as a kid that i discovered the hobbit been read by cribbins on jackanory... i was sick for ages... :-)
[09:55] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: I love the bbc radio 4 play adaptation of the hobbit and lord of the rings
[09:57] <zmoylan-pi> i have the bbc adaption of asimovs caves of steel downloaded to my phone. they do _great_ adaptions
[10:14] <TwistedLucidity> Is that stuff available via iPlayer/website?
[10:16] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: yes
[10:16] <TwistedLucidity> Right, that's my free time ruined
[10:17] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: LotR is only 13 hours it's not that long
[10:18] <TwistedLucidity> Certainly something to listen to when dog walking and I've run out of podcasts
[10:18] <TwistedLucidity> Or am driving to Germany
[10:22] <popey> i was listening to an adaptation of Blade Runner off iplayer last night
[10:26] <Dave> Was it some weird version set in a wasteland where the only people left on earth were too stupid to be allowed to leave?
[10:40] <TwistedLucidity> I must be stupid, I can't find anything
[10:42] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, now I found some
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> https://archive.org/details/IsaacAsimov-TheFoundationTrilogy
[12:16] <diddledan> ubuntu.com down?!
[12:16] <diddledan> RUN FOR THE HILLS! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!
[12:17] <zmoylan-pi> running for the hills is a rookie mistake, you need to have your bunker prepared...
[12:30] <directhex> running for the hills is the right choice in a tsunami. not a huge help in a zombie apocalypse
[12:30] <popey> Yeah, there was a firewall issue apparently
[12:30] <directhex> drop 0.0.0.0!
[12:33] <diddledan> seems to be fixed again now
[12:40] <foobarry> annoys me that dd returns a prompt straight away while the usb stick carries on flashing
[12:40] <foobarry> when i get the prompt i wanna yank the usb stick
[12:40] <foobarry> need to remember to type sync afterwards.
[12:55] <diddledan> foobarry, yeah that seems to be recent behaviour
[12:56] <diddledan> it used to be synchronous
[12:56] <diddledan> I have no idea when the behaviour changed tho
[12:57] <diddledan> oh America! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37469757
[13:40] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: If all the other shoppers had been carrying fully automatic assault rifles, that would have never happened.
[13:40] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity, exactly!
[13:41] <TwistedLucidity> I've heard that some schools/districts in the USA are planning to allow teachers to conceal-carry guns.
[13:42] <diddledan> that's a good plan
[13:42] <foobarry> lol
[13:42] <diddledan> of course the pupils need to have guns to protect themselves from rampaging teachers
[13:42] <zmoylan-pi> so how long till the first teacher snaps and wipes out their class
[13:42] <foobarry> if i carried a gun at work at least 5 people would have been shot
[13:43] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: It's OK, they'll be trained in a similar way to the police. :-S
[13:43] <zmoylan-pi> and to make things fair, pupils are only allowed revolvers and teachers are limited to belt fed weapons?
[13:43] <foobarry> luckily i live in the UK and just throw stress toys at people instead
[13:43] <diddledan> the only way to be sure that nobody uses a gun is to make sure everyone has access to a gun for easy use
[13:43] <diddledan> foobarry, ow
[13:43] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Or to follow the Chris Rock paradigm: ditch gun control, what you need is bullet control!
[13:44] <diddledan> read an article just yesterday where a private investigator was challenged by a policeman with gun drawn just for sitting in his car
[13:44] <TwistedLucidity> If every bullet cost US$5,000, you can be sure people would think about it first!
[13:44]  * TwistedLucidity has edited the language down. Heavily.
[13:45] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: I though the USA policy was "Shoot if black"?
[13:45] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity, the officer was obviously badly trained
[13:46] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity, if he had had proper training the PI would be dead
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> they'd just bring back the pistol sword... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_sword#/media/File:Elgin_cutlass_pistol.jpg
[13:46] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, wtf?!
[13:46] <diddledan> that's a nutty gun
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> diddledan people can be very /creative/ when it comes to getting rid of people they don't like
[13:47] <TwistedLucidity> Pow! Pow! Pow! Rats, out of bullets. Stabby! Stabby! Stabby!
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> diddledan it doesn't even reach a 5/10 on weird gun lists
[13:48] <TwistedLucidity> Guns can run Linux too (thinking of that computer-aided sniper rifle thing)
[13:49] <diddledan> it's cool from the technical perspective, that linux gun, but morally challenged in terms of it being a lethal weapon
[13:51] <TwistedLucidity> All weapons are morally challenged. The problem with guns is the ease by which they offer lethality. More so with remote systems like drones.
[13:51] <TwistedLucidity> Without training, and just like any other animal, we will seek to avoid confrontation.
[13:51] <zmoylan-pi> some will seek to avoid confrontation, others on the other hand won't
[13:53] <TwistedLucidity> There's always the psycho, nothing can be done
[13:53] <TwistedLucidity> with them
[13:54] <TwistedLucidity> If we as a species actually *liked* violence and death, soldiers etc wouldn't suffer PTSD.
[13:55] <diddledan> the problem is the people deciding to create violence and death are usually the ones who are detached from it
[13:55] <diddledan> i.e. governments
[13:55] <diddledan> who cares about a load of squaddies getting killed as long as the government don't have to get involved
[13:56] <TwistedLucidity> Which is why drones are all the craze. Then it's just a video game.
[13:57] <TwistedLucidity> You use machinery to detach the soldiers from the atrocity as much as you can.
[13:57] <diddledan> the leaked footage of some drone kills has had commentary from the controllers where they make it sound exactly like that
[13:57] <diddledan> pew pew pew
[13:57] <TwistedLucidity> Add in an authority figure giving them permission, genocide becomes easy.
[13:58] <diddledan> then the hague gets involved and the soldiers use the "I was just following orders" defence
[13:59] <zmoylan-pi> isn't it now illegal to follow illegal orders?
[13:59] <diddledan> the problem with human behaviour is we're inherently conformist, so if everyone around you is doing something you'll likely follow-suit
[14:01] <zmoylan-pi> i'm not :-P
[14:01] <diddledan> lol
[14:01] <diddledan> life of brian quote: "you're all individual, you're all unique" .. "I'm not!"
[14:02] <diddledan> love that movie
[14:02] <zmoylan-pi> one of the best comedy moments on film ever... right after 'no one is to throw anything until i blow this whistle, even and i want to make this clear, even if they say jehovah'
[14:02] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Yes it is, I am sure the firing squad will feel remorse.
[14:03] <diddledan> was probably the first time I was aware of seeing full-frontal nudity of someone other than my family
[14:06] <zmoylan-pi> plus of course the latin lesson... :-P
[14:13] <foobarry> shakes fist at launchpad
[14:14] <popey> uhoh
[14:14] <davmor2> foobarry: there is an outage should be fixed soon
[14:15] <diddledan> I think we need to petition to rename launchpad to lunchbox
[14:19] <acheronuk> plenty of times I have typed lunchpad
[14:29] <foobarry> installing elementary while trying to keep /home ended up dumping me to grub :(
[14:54] <directhex> nicew
[15:01] <foobarry> boot-repair commands were horrific
[15:12] <TwistedLucidity> I broke my ownCloud install last night going to Ubuntu 16.04. Something has gone rather wrong with the php stuff
[15:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[21:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> r