| Cantide | hello~ | 04:21 |
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| Cantide | I want to donate for Kilos, but I need to use a PayPal account to do so and GoFundMe doesn't have a PayPal option. If anyone has a solution, please send me a PM. Thanks. | 04:36 |
| paddatrapper | Hey Cantide. If you hang around someone with the answer should wake up soon | 04:52 |
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| Kilos | hi all, has something happened to port 7070. 2 days i cant get in on secure connection | 06:36 |
| Kilos | wbb | 06:36 |
| superfly | Cantide: I have paypal, so if you want, you can send me the money, and then I'll donate on your behalf? | 07:54 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 07:55 |
| superfly | Cantide: are you in SA? Cause then you can do an EFT to me instead of PayPal too | 07:56 |
| superfly | hi deegee | 08:15 |
| Kilos | hi superfly inetpro and everyone else | 08:53 |
| Kilos | just got out the bath, so lekker warm | 08:54 |
| Kilos | all ok in za land? | 08:54 |
| Kilos | im playing doc for some days, Debs had an AS flare up, and tara went to her grans funeral far away today. so the old peeps are along | 08:55 |
| superfly | Kilos: all good | 08:55 |
| Kilos | will try sort the secure connection thing another time | 09:13 |
| Kilos- | 16.04 kde is too pretty for me | 09:13 |
| sakhi | Hello ubuntu-za, I need to centrally manage all windows machines on the network, I would like to get the following informaiton: update status(patching), packages installed, cve status, Windows OS version installed per machine, is there a free tool I can use to achive this? Preferably open source. | 09:45 |
| superfly | sakhi: I haven't worked with Windows in over 10 years, I really don't know. Has Google been unfruitful? | 09:46 |
| sakhi | superfly: Not too fruitful on this one, last time I worked on Windows was in 2003 (MCSA-2k) let me see if I can put together something that will use snmp. | 09:51 |
| thatgraemeguy | sakhi: WSUS | 10:09 |
| thatgraemeguy | or whatever its modern equivalent is called, I've been out of that game for a fair while now | 10:09 |
| superfly | ah yes, that's the one I was thinking of. couldn't remember its name | 10:10 |
| sakhi | thatgraemeguy: thanks, not sure if WSUS is free, I will check it. The thought of managing Windows machines status through a Windows management system scares me :) RHN-Satelite(not free), Chef/Puppet or any other *nix Orchastration system would be great. | 10:16 |
| thatgraemeguy | its free | 10:16 |
| thatgraemeguy | managing a significant amount of windows infrastructure is best done using the native tools, you just aren't going to do it properly otherwise | 10:17 |
| sakhi | thatgraemeguy: wow Windows has free stuff too ;) the world will end. | 10:17 |
| sakhi | true | 10:17 |
| Kilos- | lol | 10:19 |
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| Kilos | roabish2 do you ever chat to the guys here | 11:05 |
| Kilos | paddatrapper whats up lad | 11:05 |
| paddatrapper | Kilos: not much. I'm at work. Ho are you doing? | 11:43 |
| * superfly wonders what "work" is for paddatrapper | 11:43 | |
| superfly | hi magespawn | 11:43 |
| magespawn | hi superfly | 11:43 |
| magespawn | Would you like some money? | 11:45 |
| paddatrapper | Lol. superfly it depends on what hat I'm wearing. Currently it is radio | 11:46 |
| superfly | magespawn: ah yes | 11:46 |
| superfly | paddatrapper: do you get paid for it? | 11:46 |
| paddatrapper | Nope. Student organisation... | 11:47 |
| paddatrapper | superfly: I realised I'm paid for very little of what I do... | 11:48 |
| superfly | paddatrapper: then it's not work, it's volunteering ;-) | 11:48 |
| superfly | magespawn: I sent you my bank details on Telegram | 11:48 |
| paddatrapper | superfly: I use work to describe most things I do that aren't me studying, doesn't yet have the negative connotation | 11:49 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 11:58 |
| Kilos | paddatrapper just keep doing things that teach you more | 11:59 |
| paddatrapper | Kilos: I certainly am. Friend of mine has a sysadmin job for me part time during Dec/Jan which I'm quite looking forward to. Debian/Ubuntu admin training finally | 12:10 |
| Kilos | great | 12:11 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 12:20 |
| Cantide | superfly, I'm in Korea | 13:11 |
| superfly | Cantide: oh right, now I remember | 13:11 |
| Cantide | ._. | 13:13 |
| superfly | Cantide: I'll PM you my PayPal address | 13:13 |
| Cantide | thanks!!! | 13:34 |
| superfly | You're welcome! | 13:34 |
| magespawn | superfly: | 13:41 |
| superfly | magespawn: | 13:41 |
| magespawn | sorry got distracted by work | 13:41 |
| superfly | np | 13:41 |
| magespawn | how much again? for the ibed hosting? | 13:55 |
| magespawn | inid | 13:55 |
| magespawn | ibid | 13:55 |
| superfly | magespawn: R100 | 14:09 |
| magespawn | cool beans | 14:12 |
| magespawn | just as well you said i took telegram off my phone | 14:13 |
| magespawn | okay done. | 14:23 |
| superfly | magespawn: thanks | 14:30 |
| magespawn | cheers chat later all | 15:58 |
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| kulelu88 | howzit okes? hows everyone tonight? | 19:02 |
| paddatrapper | Hey kulelu88. Everyone seems sleepy | 19:21 |
| kulelu88 | paddatrapper: yeah, nobody likes chatting here | 19:21 |
| paddatrapper | It's so quiet without Kilos | 19:22 |
| superfly | hi | 19:22 |
| * superfly is busy fixing stuff | 19:22 | |
| superfly | well, writing tests, at the moment | 19:22 |
| kulelu88 | unit tests ? :D | 19:23 |
| paddatrapper | Seems like people like chatting. Just it seems to be short | 19:23 |
| superfly | yup | 19:23 |
| paddatrapper | Hey superfly | 19:23 |
| superfly | hi kulelu88, paddatrapper | 19:23 |
| paddatrapper | OpenLP? | 19:23 |
| superfly | paddatrapper: yup | 19:23 |
| kulelu88 | apparently for 1 of the testing libs you have to write OOP code to test other code | 19:23 |
| superfly | kulelu88: I like nose2 these days. you can either use unittest, or just plain test functions | 19:24 |
| superfly | a colleague likes pytest, but it's too magic for me | 19:24 |
| kulelu88 | which lib allows the writing of tests as functions? | 19:24 |
| superfly | kulelu88: technically, you don't even need a test runner or a library write and run tests... it just makes it easier | 19:25 |
| superfly | kulelu88: I'm using http://nose2.readthedocs.io/ | 19:26 |
| kulelu88 | I like a bit of hand-holding :D | 19:26 |
| paddatrapper | OOP makes unit test building easier | 19:26 |
| superfly | paddatrapper: and slower. I've been writing test functions at work and it's actually simpler and easier | 19:26 |
| kulelu88 | paddatrapper: you write OOP code mostly? | 19:26 |
| superfly | kulelu88: if you write any python it's OOP | 19:27 |
| superfly | whether you use classes or not is up to you | 19:27 |
| paddatrapper | kulelu88: yup. Started my programming journey with Java and I'm now so used to OOP that anything else just feels like scripting | 19:27 |
| superfly | paddatrapper: I'll help you unlearn that nonsense that Java teaches | 19:28 |
| superfly | paddatrapper: Java is not true OOP, Java is more COP | 19:28 |
| paddatrapper | Even c/c++ I just OOP for almost everything. It just makes more sense | 19:28 |
| kulelu88 | My first experience with OOP was C++ and I'll never go back to it | 19:28 |
| superfly | kulelu88: oooo, C++ can be very pretty | 19:29 |
| superfly | especially if you use C++11 or C++14 | 19:29 |
| paddatrapper | superfly: lol, it certainly is very verbose and now I wouldn't use it for anything outside of assignments and the occasional tomcat Java EE app | 19:30 |
| superfly | paddatrapper: no, seriously, Java dents your brain | 19:30 |
| superfly | it twists everything so badly that you have to unlearn what things like references are | 19:30 |
| kulelu88 | I think most varsities still use Java in 2nd/3rd year | 19:30 |
| paddatrapper | I do like c++, though lately I'm having to deal with C projects which take OOP and throw it out the window | 19:31 |
| kulelu88 | superfly: I tried to understand how functional code is different to writing functions and gluing them together and apparently, it is very very different :D | 19:31 |
| kulelu88 | paddatrapper: have you tried imperative Go code? | 19:31 |
| paddatrapper | kulelu88: yup, at least at UCT second semester of first year is Java and so is first semester of second year. Then it's c++ | 19:32 |
| paddatrapper | kulelu88: I haven't messed around with the newer languages really | 19:32 |
| kulelu88 | #nim seems cool, but there's too much syntax magic going on. | 19:32 |
| paddatrapper | superfly: I really enjoyed moving to c++ from Java because of things like that. No more magic hidden behind the compiler | 19:33 |
| paddatrapper | kulelu88: never heard of it | 19:33 |
| kulelu88 | paddatrapper: http://nim-lang.org/ | 19:34 |
| kulelu88 | reading through nim code again, it makes a lot more sense in 2016 then it previously did | 19:37 |
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| MaNI | don't confuse the 'function' part in functional with typical programming functions, the function there refers more to function in the mathematical sense | 20:00 |
| kulelu88 | MaNI: do you have a nice example showing how a function will look in: Python vs. Haskell ? | 20:02 |
| MaNI | I've never used haskell, functional languages I've had (minor) experience with include prolog and XSLT with only the second one being business world experience (i.e. not university junk) | 20:03 |
| kulelu88 | aah. examples are sparse on the nets | 20:05 |
| MaNI | it's all about not having side effects basically, and most things are then recursive as a result | 20:07 |
| MaNI | i.e. if you call 'foo(5)' the output will always be the same, because there are no internal side effects to change the result - while in a language like python 'foo(5)' could return something different every time | 20:07 |
| MaNI | examples are sparse - because generally it makes no sense for regular programming, it's most heavily used in academia | 20:09 |
| MaNI | with a few rare exceptions | 20:09 |
| kulelu88 | so recursive is critical to functional coding? | 20:10 |
| MaNI | pretty much | 20:10 |
| MaNI | e.g. see https://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Fibonacci_sequence#Prolog for a fibonacci generator in prolog - it should remind you a lot of the actual mathematical way of showing such a dequence | 20:12 |
| MaNI | *sequence | 20:12 |
| MaNI | whereas in a language like c++ one would tend to avoid the recursion https://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Fibonacci_sequence#C.2B.2B | 20:13 |
| MaNI | I tried very hard to like prolog in university, at some level it seems like a better way of thinking, but I couldn't for the life of me find any practical real world uses where c++ was not better, hehe | 20:15 |
| kulelu88 | MaNI: as they say: functional code makes hard problems easy and easy problems hard | 20:22 |
| kulelu88 | :P | 20:22 |
| MaNI | I found XSLT a bit better - but thats because it isn't pure functional, also it has a very niche purpose though I mean not general purpose | 20:24 |
| kulelu88 | Elixir is quite nice MaNI | 20:24 |
| superfly | kulelu88: RabbitMQ and Wings3D are written in Erlang, take a look at them | 20:28 |
| kulelu88 | superfly: as most programmers/hobbyists suffer from, jumping between projects is the issue | 20:29 |
| superfly | kulelu88: thankfully, I have one main project. | 20:31 |
| superfly | but yes, I'm still interested in a few sideline projects | 20:32 |
| kulelu88 | I'm learning about async programming currently superfly . what is your main project? | 20:33 |
| superfly | kulelu88: OpenLP | 20:34 |
| superfly | https://openlp.org/ | 20:34 |
| kulelu88 | link? | 20:34 |
| kulelu88 | cool | 20:34 |
| kulelu88 | you plan on adding some funding model to it? superfly looks very polished | 20:50 |
| superfly | kulelu88: it's been around since 2004, but it could use more polish. we're not actively seeking funding, but we have paypal and gratipay | 20:51 |
| kulelu88 | oh it's 12 years old. thought it was new | 20:51 |
| superfly | and the income from gratipay covers the server costs | 20:51 |
| superfly | kulelu88: it's been through a few iterations, but the current one has been around since 2008 | 20:51 |
| kulelu88 | python2? | 20:52 |
| superfly | started 2, now on 3 | 20:52 |
| superfly | we moved to 3 at version 2.2 | 20:52 |
| superfly | and moved to Qt5 at 2.4 | 20:52 |
| kulelu88 | what's the stats on the project? how many churches using it? | 20:54 |
| superfly | I don't know precisely. We have over 3000 fans on Facebook, so I'd say we probably have easily twice that using it? | 20:56 |
| superfly | a lot of people will just download, install, and then move on because it works | 20:56 |
| superfly | it's like using PowerPoint. you don't get all excited, you just use it | 20:56 |
| kulelu88 | the man years to build it must be quite a bit by now | 20:59 |
| superfly | https://www.openhub.net/p/openlp | 21:00 |
| superfly | kulelu88: scroll down to "In a nutshell" | 21:01 |
| superfly | kulelu88: https://www.openhub.net/p/openlp/estimated_cost | 21:02 |
| superfly | that site is not all that accurate, because it's not really tracking all the code we have, but it gives you a good idea | 21:03 |
| kulelu88 | yeah 2 million is about a low-level guesstimate | 21:07 |
| superfly | yup. I estimate my US-based salary would be about 100k per year, which ups the amount to 4 mil | 21:09 |
| kulelu88 | what is your years experience as a python programmer? | 21:09 |
| superfly | about as long as OpenLP 2.x has been around, so about 8 years | 21:10 |
| Kilos | ai! | 23:37 |
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