[00:05] <underfact> gg
[00:17] <underfact> im trying 32 bit now
[00:18] <underfact> hopefully this works
[00:19] <underfact> god, ive been doing this all day!
[00:20] <underfact> brb, im going to the #ubuntu channel
[00:22] <underfact> back
[00:23] <underfact> 32 bit mode seems to be working a little better i guess
[00:24] <underfact> is there a way to change from 32 to 64 bit from within an installed os, or are they to different?
[00:28] <cablop> huh?
[00:28] <cablop> i guess you are talking alone or i'm not getting other people messages, but just yours underfact
[00:29] <underfact> no, technically im talking alone
[00:29] <cablop> then, for the record, MB is for megabytes and Mb for megabits
[00:29] <underfact> thx
[00:30] <cablop> this is why internet speeds are sold in Mbs, cause they sound like big numbers, where they're just crap
[00:30] <underfact> yeah lol
[00:31] <cablop> the other question... no, you cannot convert a 32bit OS into a 64bit OS
[00:31] <underfact> its possible to run desktop ubuntu on a raspberry pi
[00:31] <underfact> you need to use qemu, and its really slow
[00:31] <cablop> in linux, somehow, you can run some 64bit stuff inside 32bit stuff, but you need too much sorcery for that
[00:32] <cablop> qemu is sorcery
[00:32] <underfact> yeah, atleast i can run 64 bit vm's in 32 bit linux
[00:32] <underfact> i caN USE QEMU
[00:32] <underfact> woah caps lock lol
[00:32] <cablop> lol
[00:33] <cablop> that doesn't make qemu less sorcery :P
[00:33] <underfact> well its sorcery if you use it from the command line, but from a qui like aqemu its easy-ish
[00:33] <underfact> *gui
[00:33] <cablop> if mankind dissapears now, and aliens come and see our stuff, they are going to be able to recover stuff like txt files in ascii, but they're going to cry with things like QEMU
[00:34] <underfact> lol
[00:35] <underfact> its funny how detroit is so densly populated that it has its own time zone to keep everything in check
[00:35] <cablop> they're going to understand our Fourier transformations before understanding what's QEMU for or what's UTF16 or to open an XLS file without Windows and Office
[00:36] <cablop> this is why i love open source :P
[00:36] <underfact> Aww dangit, my Bluetooth keyboard died.
[00:36] <underfact> Brb
[00:37] <cablop> in a few decades people could rebuild files made in OSS but everything made in proprietary software would be lost forever
[00:38] <underfact> okay the keyboards charging againg
[00:38] <underfact> againg
[00:38] <underfact> brb
[00:40] <underfact> baack
[01:05] <underfact> is it normal to have the kubuntu installer pause at 90%
[01:08] <underfact> ubottu
[01:08] <underfact> ubottu hello
[01:09] <underfact> ubottu sorry
[01:21] <valorie> underfact: yes, it will pause
[01:21] <valorie> depending on the speed of your computer
[01:21] <valorie> download is one thing, install is the other
[01:24] <underfact> its been paused for about half an hour
[01:25] <underfact> and the  only thing using any cpu is ubiquity at 10% cpu
[01:26] <underfact> wait no its actually 0.3% cpu on ubiquity, its using 10% mem
[01:27] <underfact> oooh it says its downloading packages 3 hours remaing
[01:27] <underfact> atleast i know its working
[01:28] <underfact> brb
[04:23] <crdpink> one of my panels keeps disappearing. short of restarting plasmashell every so often, can I debug why it's going away?
[09:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:07] <cablop> not a failing drive... but that baloo search indexer eating the IO... sigh
[11:09] <lordievader> I allways disable baloo, rarely make use of file search so there is no gain for me in keeping an index.
[11:14] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:31] <mcox> BluesKaj: i'd be careful with that greeting.... -> https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/13/shining-a-light-on-the-dark-web-how-the-police-ended-up-running-a-paedophile-site
[11:31] <mcox> ' - In Brisbane, police laboured over the word “hiyas”, the word use by the site's de facto CEO'
[11:40] <ChetManly> how to show desktop command?
[11:44] <mcox> ChetManly: add a widget
[11:45] <ChetManly> my panel is crowed as is
[11:46] <ChetManly> is crtl alt D set to anything?
[11:47] <ChetManly> also still looking for a command
[11:58] <lordievader> ChetManly: You can set that in the settings program.
[11:59] <lordievader> Under kwin
[11:59] <ChetManly> yeah I set that already, I just wanted to know since I ve messed with my settings a good bunch
[12:00] <ChetManly> I use yakuake quite a bit now so I was looking for a command as well
[12:00] <lordievader> What are you looking for then?
[12:01] <ChetManly> $showdesktop?
[12:01] <lordievader> It probably does a dbus call to that effect.
[12:06] <mcox> ChetManly: there will be a way of making it a desktop shortcut, you may have more luck in #kde or #plasma maybe ?
[12:06] <mcox> I'll be interested if you do find a way
[12:11] <ChetManly> wmcrtl
[12:13] <ChetManly> install and and on off swithc
[12:30] <tibi> hi! I've just upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04 and my plasma keeps crashing
[12:30] <tibi> what can I do to locate the problem?
[12:35] <ChetManly> tibi:  go back to 14.04 turn off distro update from new versions and wait 6 months to update lol
[12:49] <tibi> ChetManly: helpful, thanks, I'll do that /s
[12:49] <ChetManly> well im doing it
[12:50] <ChetManly> except for years likely
[12:50] <tibi> ?
[12:51] <ChetManly> cause plasma isnt what I like
[12:51] <ChetManly> plasma 5
[12:51] <tibi> I like it so far, except for the crashing
[12:52] <ChetManly> well thats part of my reasoning as well
[12:52] <ChetManly> debian are now at respectable levels of kde now as well, for rock solid stability
[12:55] <ChetManly> 4.10 I believe
[13:00] <BluesKaj> tibi:  make sure update and upgrade, depending how you upghraded you may need to reinstall your graphics driver if you have a pci gpu
[13:09] <tibi> BluesKaj: I use the HDMI output of my motherboard. I think it's an Intel chipset
[13:09] <tibi> I'm writing this from "that KDE", it's just that plasma keeps crashing around each 5 minutes
[13:12] <BluesKaj> tibi:  run, sudo lshw -C video, check the product and vendoe lines
[13:13] <BluesKaj> vendor even
[13:13] <tibi> BluesKaj: this is from my .xsession-errors https://gist.github.com/tiberiuichim/a24765ab88d58f5583758a84aa3b7feb
[13:14] <tibi> around line 88 is the crash
[13:14] <tibi> sorry, 80
[13:15] <mcox> tibi: I would suggest doing 2 things (1) use the backports PPA to get Plasma 5.6.x (2) install the updated intel driver from https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/intel-graphics-update-tool-linux-os-v2.0.2
[13:16] <mcox> if you are using intel
[13:16] <mcox> people moan about nvidia/amd drivers but in the last 14 years of Linux desktop use it is always Intel drivers (from multiple machines) than have the worst graphical crashes#
[13:19] <tibi> I've disabled the "intel CPU microcodes" from the restricted drivers, maybe it makes a difference
[13:21] <BluesKaj> I have 16.04 installed with intel  i915 driver and no ppas required, plasma is very stable
[13:21] <mcox> tibi: yuo probably actually want that enabled
[13:21] <BluesKaj> tibi:  doubt the microcodes has much effect
[13:21] <mcox> the link I gave updates the intel GPU drivers
[13:22] <tibi> mcox: could you give me the link again? I must have missed it when I reboot
[13:22] <tibi> BluesKaj: how did you install the i915 driver?
[13:22] <mcox> the updated drivers had fixed things in the past - for example if you ran 15.10 and used google chrome with h/w accel enabled and used street view it would segfault
[13:22] <BluesKaj> it's default
[13:22] <tibi> I have "product: 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller,  configuration: driver=i915 latency=0"
[13:23] <mcox> when you updated the drivers it fixed that issue
[13:23] <mcox> tibi: the link is  https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/intel-graphics-update-tool-linux-os-v2.0.2
[13:24] <tibi> mcox: thanks! I'll wait for the crash, to see if it still happens or my reboot cleared it
[13:24] <mcox> in my experience the updated drivers improve performance and stability
[13:25] <BluesKaj> that looks like a better solution than a ppa
[13:27] <mcox> the PPA I was talking about was for plasma - the PPA fixed a few things for me ..
[13:27] <BluesKaj> unless the tool doesn't help, then a plasma upgrade is the next best try
[13:27] <mcox> such as not being able to edit network settings....
[13:29] <tibi> mcox: what version of Ubuntu are you using? Which PPA that was?
[13:29] <mcox> tibi: 16.04
[13:29] <mcox> ppa = https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports?field.series_filter=xenial
[13:30] <mcox> its plasma 5.6.5 at present
[13:30] <mcox> a few multiple monitor fixes compared to plasma 5.5
[13:32] <tibi> mcox: cool! thanks! I'll try it if I still see problems. So far, no crash, and it's been 10 minutes already :)
[13:32] <tibi> It might have been the Instant Messaging plasmoid, I'll try to readd it
[13:33] <BluesKaj> tibi:  to see which plasma you have, run plasmashell -v
[13:35] <tibi> plasmashell 5.5.5
[13:35] <tibi> I see. Thanks BluesKaj
[13:38] <BluesKaj> tbi, you could also enable the backports repos in your package manager/sources.list
[13:41] <tibi> It seems I already have xenial-backports enabled
[13:41] <BluesKaj> good
[13:41] <mcox> tibi: xenial backports is different to kubuntu-backports (in case there was any confusion)
[13:42] <tibi> right
[13:42] <tibi> So far I'm stable, unlike before my reboot. So I think I'm good for now
[13:42] <BluesKaj> ked/plasma is usually in the backports
[13:42] <BluesKaj> kde even
[13:44] <mcox> BluesKaj: unless you add kubuntu-backports you will be on plasma 5.5.x you have to enable kubuntu-backports to have 5.6.x
[13:45] <BluesKaj> mcox:  yes, but if 5.5 is stable , then waiting for a regular upgrade is fine too
[13:45] <mcox> sure
[13:45] <mcox> all I know is that 5.6.x fixed a few annoying things for me..
[13:46] <mcox> (5.7.x is even better)
[13:47] <mcox> its a shame 16.10 isn't having 5.8 ...
[13:48] <BluesKaj> yeah i have 5.7.5 on on Yakkety beta2 which I'm currently testing, however X i s a bit confused where tp place the desktop
[13:48] <BluesKaj> atm it's about 1/3 below the panel
[13:48] <tibi> https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.7.95.php looks like it will come up sometime soon, isn't it?
[13:49] <mcox> ive only tried 5.7.x through neon and arch and tumbleweed so far.
[13:50] <mcox> (to be honest all of them have a better desktop experience than kubuntu 16.04)..  But I'm sticking with kubuntu for work purposes.
[13:52] <BluesKaj> I have no issues with xenial atm , upgraded with the staging frameworks, kdeapplications and plasma ppas, of course they're disabled as soon as the packages are installed/upgraded
[14:00] <David_M> Hi. I'm using Kubuntu 16.04 and interface is working strange. When scrolling pages in Firefox it's jumping and when switching between Firefox and KDE menu it's jumping
[14:05] <David_M> Please, help me.
[14:05] <Anubis> david_m: are you using trackpad or mouse ?
[14:05] <David_M> Mouse.
[14:06] <David_M> I had the same problem with Fedora 24 and that's why i removed it.
[14:07] <Anubis> when scrolling down or up is the cursor jumping on desktop for example ?
[14:08] <David_M> When scrolling down in Firefox it's jumping and then if you switch to menu or any window it begins to jump again. And windows can tear on a few pieces.
[14:09] <Anubis> it is possible that happens because at some point the active window is loosing focus
[14:10] <Anubis> or you have active some settings… go to settings and check the windows behavior and the mouse settings
[14:11] <David_M> In Fedora I fixed it by switching from OpenGL 2.0 to 3.1 but on the next day this bug appeared again. On Kubuntu I got this after reboot.
[14:11] <Anubis> you can try also by disable the trackpad
[14:12] <David_M> I couldn't even minimize Firefox window. I had to click twice.
[14:13] <Anubis> also check the compiz manager
[14:13] <David_M> I removed it.
[14:13] <BluesKaj> no compiz on kubuntu, it's kwin
[14:14] <David_M> https://pp.vk.me/c636916/v636916367/32f0f/pLw1jebTdmI.jpg check this picture please
[14:16] <Anubis> let me check something
[14:18] <David_M> So I typed in terminal kwin --replace and it fixed. Don't know if it will appear again.
[14:26] <Anubis1> david: still there ?
[14:30] <Guest61054> Hi.
[15:30] <JonelethIrenicus> how can i do square root with kcalc
[15:43] <chcknrub> install octave
[15:43] <chcknrub> kcalc is for simple calculations only i think
[15:44] <chcknrub> Kubuntu 16.04 has no updates for years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:44] <acheronuk> JonelethIrenicus: sqrt is raising to the power (1/2), so you can do that
[16:31] <lordievader> chcknrub: How can that be if it has been released this year?
[17:24] <rails661> Hi guys, does anyone know if it's possible to have a shortcut that will always focus a given app. For example if I have 15 apps open(one of them is terminal) and if I press Ctrl+E or something, terminal should pop?
[18:47] <David_M> When I type kwin --replace my desktop is working correct but if I close terminal kwin stops working. I have no maximize and minimize buttons in Firefox.
[18:53] <BluesKaj> David_M,  which kubuntu?
[18:55] <David_M> 16.04
[18:58] <BluesKaj> David_M, all packages up to date ?
[19:01] <BluesKaj> Deno Jacob, system settings> workspace  theme and application style themes
[19:01] <David_M> I think yes. Can you please show me lsb release file?
[19:03] <BluesKaj> David_M, lsb_release -a   ?
[19:03] <David_M> Yes.
[19:05] <BluesKaj> David_M, type that in the terminal
[19:06] <David_M> I wanted to compare your output with mine. I used Linux Mint MATE but didn't want to reinstall my system and converted it into Kubuntu. I did something like this with Mint by turning it into Xubuntu.
[19:07] <BluesKaj> mine will be different I've upgraded with several ppas
[19:07] <BluesKaj> thasn stock kubuntu
[19:08] <BluesKaj> than
[19:08] <lordievader> David_M: That is because when you run that command the display manager lives in Konsole and when you close it the child (kwin) dies.
[19:08] <lordievader> David_M: Better to run that command from krunner ;)
[19:11] <BluesKaj> was gonna suggest a small bash script in sys setings startup& shutdown
[19:11] <David_M> Should there be Ubuntu or Kubuntu? What it should show me?
[19:14] <David_M> lordievader: thank you for explanation.
[19:15] <lordievader> David_M: No problem ;)
[19:15] <lordievader> It is usefull to be aware of where processes live ;)
[19:16] <David_M> I wonder if all Ubuntu flavors have Ubuntu name in lsb release or a flavor name.
[19:18] <Dragnslcr> Since Kubuntu is just Ubuntu with a different set of packages installed by default, lsb_release will show the same information
[19:21] <David_M> Dragnslcr: thank you.
[19:46] <David_M> How can I fix that kwin issue?
[19:47] <BluesKaj> David_M,  does it die in the run command too?
[19:48] <David_M> I'll check
[19:49] <David_M> I typed kwin in menu and it showed Individual Window Behavior.
[19:50] <BluesKaj>  right click on the desktop, choose run command
[19:51] <David_M> I started kwin by pressing Alt-F2 and typing kwin
[19:52] <BluesKaj> yes that's the same thing as the choosing run command aka krunner
[19:52] <lordievader> David_M: Well, in theory, you should never have the need to run that command...
[19:53] <David_M> What should I do to avoid interface jumping issue and restarting kwin?
[20:02] <crdpink> my popups (and drop downs even) appear on a different display than the window from which they belong. Also, no mouse gestures is killing me. Back to 14.04?
[21:05] <user|46162> Greetings, how to make windows key to open app menu instead of alt + f1?
[21:46] <user5150> i am trying to download qbase onto to my computer and it wont something about a wine authentication password
[21:47] <user5150> i never made one what do i do about this
[21:49] <SporkWitch> wine accounts are totally optional, only need one to submit feedback/bug reports...
[21:51] <valorie> !info qbase
[21:51] <valorie> huh
[22:19] <mparillo_> Google ksuperkey, but use it at your own risk.
[22:45] <gnome> hello