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hikiko_Hi04:55
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pittiGood morning05:14
dufluHuh. Why do wily/vivid/trusty all say "supported"?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mir05:46
dufluMorning hikiko, pitti05:46
pittihello duflu05:46
pittiduflu: trusty regularly is, vivid is our longest-ever LTS because touch/snappy, and wily is somewhere between "some Launchpad builders still run it" and "infinity needs to flip it"05:47
duflupitti: Oh, thanks. That means our upstream support status is wrong then05:48
pittiso vivid and wily are not really supported any more, just vivid+overlay for touch/snappy is05:48
duflupitti: I remember now. I took the decision to mark old unrealistic Mir series' as obsolete before the distro was05:50
dufluWhich is realistic05:50
hikikohi duflu pitti :)06:14
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willcookeMorning all07:54
flexiondotorgwillcooke, Morning07:57
willcookemorning flexiondotorg!  Ready for round 2?07:58
flexiondotorgYep.07:58
willcooke\m/07:58
flexiondotorgI slept like 10 men last night :-)07:58
willcookeha!07:58
willcookeHope you weren't around too late07:59
flexiondotorgNot really, it was Sunday that was the issue.07:59
flexiondotorgThe office that I now sit in, was a store room a few weeks ago.08:00
flexiondotorgSpent every weekend since knocking it into shape, which concluded at 01:14 on Monday morning :-)08:00
flexiondotorgBut it was worth it.08:00
willcookeoh boy08:00
willcookeIt's nice to have a place to work which isn't just the kitchen table though08:01
flexiondotorgYep.08:01
flexiondotorgI have several friends who work from home (not Canonical) who I spoke to.08:02
flexiondotorgTheir top advice is make your office a nice place to be.08:02
Laneybrrrrrrrrrr08:02
flexiondotorgSo I did.08:02
flexiondotorgI built a "man cave".08:02
flexiondotorgLaney, Morning.08:02
willcookemorning Laney08:02
LaneyAhoy chaps08:03
Laneyhow's it going?08:03
willcookeI'm hoping to move my office in to the garage (well, half the garage)08:03
willcookehad a builder come round last night08:03
flexiondotorgGood. I've been out for my morning walk. Bracing!08:03
willcookeit'll give me a tiny bit more room, but more importantly it'll be away from crying toddlers08:03
Laney6 feet of insulation required first?08:04
willcookethey have some special plasterboard which, as an added bonus, blocks out a lot of the sound08:05
flexiondotorgI've been toying with converting our garage.08:06
flexiondotorgSadly it is now full of all the junk I displaced while build this office.08:06
willcookeha, the eternal struggle08:07
willcookegarage -> loft -> shed -> garage08:07
flexiondotorgWhen the easiest solution is "make the house bigger", rather than "have a clear out", then you know you've got a problem ;-)08:08
willcooke:))08:10
didrockstoo much ukish in this channel, let's introduce some frenchness! :)08:27
didrockshey guys! (even if up for longgggggg)08:27
flexiondotorgMorning didrocks o/08:29
davmor2didrocks: guten tag old chap, damn it I tried to de-English for you and failed sorry :P08:34
didrocksdavmor2: I'm sure you have time to get better to it! ;)08:38
davmor2didrocks: whato me owld mucka08:39
willcookebonjour didrocks.  If it makes you feel any better I had a fresh croissant for breakfast.08:39
davmor2willcooke: pfff that's a lie, you had a shop bought croissant for breakfast they are a pain in the arse to make fresh I know08:40
didrockswillcooke: as long as it doesn't have chocolate in it, I'm good, you know about this! :)08:41
willcookedavmor2, it was from a shop, but it was made at the instore bakery08:41
willcookeit's as close as we're gonna get08:41
davmor2willcooke: :)08:41
willcookethis side of la Manche anyway08:41
didrocksso few kilometers to get it right though :-)08:42
willcookelol08:42
davmor2willcooke: don't succumb didrocks is just trying to europify us again and you know we hate that so much ;)  Just start moaning about the weather and it'll pass :D08:45
willcookedavmor2, . . o O ( Bloody foreigners )08:45
willcookephew, back to normal08:46
davmor2hahaha08:49
Laneydavmor2: can you give https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1998 a blast when you get a bit please?08:51
davmor2Laney: sure08:54
Laneyinsert kissing emoji here08:55
LaneyNO08:55
Laney😘08:55
Laneyhope you can see that, 'cos I can't08:55
davmor2Laney: decorum man08:55
* duflu is confused08:59
willcookeLaney, have you seen emoj?  (snap find emoj)09:04
LaneyI saw a post somewhere about that09:05
Laneylooked fun09:05
willcookeG+ prolly09:05
willcooke👽09:06
Laneystill can't see them09:06
Laneynever figured out that screen problem from months ago09:06
davmor2Laney: ah there is your issue use tmux or byobu or something noah didn't save from drowning ;)09:07
Laneyget orf my lawn09:08
davmor2willcooke, Laney: Not an issue with hidpi but following the path for the checkbox I noticed that the is a grey block left behind by unchecking a video in Totem/Videos should it revert to show the full thumbnail?09:34
Laneypress cancel at the top09:34
davmor2Laney: yeap that gets rid of it thanks09:35
Laneynp09:35
Laneyright clicking goes into a selection mode09:35
davmor2Laney, willcooke, jibel: So I have tested https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1998 in scale mode x2 (dells default) and in scale mode x1 the ubuntu default, everything I've looked at is great except our own webbrowser that doesn't seem to honour the scaling at all but that is no different than without the silo10:58
Laneyit just changes some images in the theme10:59
Laneythanks for testing!10:59
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Laneyhmm11:15
Laneywhy doesn't NotShowIn work?11:15
Laneyoh11:26
Laneywh11:26
Laneyyou know when you propose a simple fix and end up shaving a whole herd of yaks11:28
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* Laney weeps11:56
LaneyHA12:05
LaneyIN YOUR FACE12:05
desrthihi hippies12:43
willcookehowdy desrt12:47
desrtgood morning willcooke12:47
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flexiondotorgdavmor2, Do you have access to HiDPI capable hardware for testing?12:53
flexiondotorgdesrt, o/12:53
davmor2flexiondotorg: I have a 4k xps1312:53
flexiondotorgOK, me too.12:53
desrtflexiondotorg: good morning12:53
flexiondotorgI was just setting it up while having lunch.12:53
flexiondotorgInstalled 16.04.1, did updates. Moving the Scale slider in the Display settings does nothing.12:54
flexiondotorgCan you confirm?12:54
flexiondotorgI had the same on my XPS 15 lastnight.12:54
flexiondotorgI'm sure it worked a few weeks back.12:54
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davmor2flexiondotorg: scale slider is working for me on 16.10, and worked for me on 16.04.1 when it was released, But I can do an upgrade test tomorrow and try it out while I'm at it12:56
flexiondotorgOK, thanks.12:56
flexiondotorgI'll test them both again this evening and see if it is reliably reproducible.12:57
flexiondotorgAny confirmation from yourself would be good :-)12:57
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willcooke:)14:29
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willcookeding ding ding15:30
desrthihi15:30
willcooke#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-2715:30
flexiondotorgo/15:30
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willcookeRoll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, flexiondotorg, happyaron (at conf), hikiko, laney, qengho, seb128 (hols), sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)15:30
Trevinhoeo/15:30
qenghoAiee!15:30
Laneymeow15:31
dgadomskihey15:31
flexiondotorgHi15:31
FJKonghalo15:32
andyrockhola15:32
willcookeLet's give people a couple of mins and we'll start15:32
Sweet5hark1.15:33
willcookeLet's start15:33
willcooke#topic andyrock15:33
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andyrockhey15:33
andyrockso still working on unity8 tooltips15:33
andyrocki sent a mp15:33
andyrockgot a review (working on fixing it)15:34
andyrockeof15:34
willcookeThanks andyrock15:34
willcooke#topic attente15:34
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attentehey, not much news this week15:34
attentewas debugging issues with the jhbuild snapcraft plugin integration tests, not really sure how to resolve that :/15:35
attentecurrently looking into gtk-mir clipboard support with content-hub15:35
attente(eof)15:35
willcookethanks attente.15:35
willcooke#topic desrt15:35
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desrthey15:35
desrthad a couple of doctors appts this week15:35
desrtbut... dconf now supports lockdown on paths, plus has support for "negative" lockdown (ie: negate locked down path with more specific permitted things)15:36
desrtattente: would appreciate it we can sync up on reviews for this after the meeting, since dconf doesn't really have any !me contributors15:36
desrteof.15:36
willcookethanks desrt15:36
willcooke#topic dgadomski15:36
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dgadomskihi15:37
dgadomskijust got back after being off for 2 weeks, so no updates really :)15:37
willcookeHope you had a nice break dgadomski15:37
willcooke#topic FJKong15:37
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FJKonghi15:37
FJKongbugs on #1575353 and #1628086 reported15:37
FJKongsnap packaging gnuradio and cqrlog on progressing.15:37
FJKongspend some time learn about pulseaudio15:37
FJKonggive NUDT guys help to unstand IM code structure.15:37
FJKongeof15:37
willcookethanks FJKong15:37
willcooke#topic flexiondotorg15:37
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willcookeWelcome!15:37
flexiondotorgHi15:37
flexiondotorgI'm new here :-)15:38
flexiondotorgI've just about completed all my New Starter stuff.15:38
desrtflexiondotorg: welcome :)15:38
Sweet5hark1flexiondotorg: welcome!15:38
flexiondotorgSo I can be contacted in all the right places.15:38
qenghoInternet over radio?!15:38
flexiondotorgIndeed. Broadcasting at you right now!15:38
willcookeWe're very happy you're here flexiondotorg15:38
flexiondotorgI've been given a list of bugs to work through and start on that a couple of hours ago.15:39
flexiondotorgeof15:39
willcooke:) thanks flexiondotorg15:39
willcooke#topic hikiko15:39
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willcookeHolidays & Bugs15:39
willcooke#topic Laney15:39
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Laneyhi pals15:40
Laney• More futzing around with asgen - some mysterious crashes; reported. Recompiled with ldc, and seems more stable now. See for yourself: http://appstream.staging.ubuntu.com/15:40
Laney∘ todo: backport appstream, ldc, debhelper, dh-autoreconf, build with ldc.15:40
Laney• Made the MIR report show Fix Released bugs so you can see which ones are just re-promotions15:40
Laney• Reviewed hidpi icons branch and fixed some errors, to land after the beta.15:40
Laney• Poked at guest session breakage and punted to the security team.15:40
Laney• Some work on OnlyShowIn/NotShowIn/DesktopNames stuff, so we can hide the new Terminal in Unity 8. This turned out to be a massive rabbit hole, but I know what to do now.15:40
Laney• FFe and queue reviews.15:40
Laney• Tested and synced the glib stable release.15:40
Laney• Some work on rls-y bugs:15:40
Laney∘ Fixed a crash on i386 in gnome-software, and uploaded to X/Y.15:40
Laney∘ Checked out a gvfs patch for properly showing removable drives and cherry-picked that.15:40
Laney🚼15:40
willcookethanks Laney15:40
willcooke#topic qengho15:40
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qengho* Chromium 53.0.2785.113 debugging on Yakkety. Not memory allocator. Little progress.15:41
qengho* Chromium rpi crash. Maybe some NEON instructions? Maybe.15:41
qengho* browsers & Google API. Rotated. Disabled keys. Still errors. Trying to find a human to help make sense of it.15:41
qenghoEOF15:41
willcookethanks qengho, let me know what you find out15:41
qenghoWill do Will.15:41
willcooke#topic Sweet5hark115:41
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Sweet5hark1.15:42
Sweet5hark1- three days PTO (Wed, Thu, Fri)15:42
Sweet5hark1- sprint travel prep15:42
Sweet5hark1- LibreOffice 5.2.2~rc2 to ppa15:42
Sweet5hark1- LibreOffice 5.2.2~rc2 to snap (edge, beta, candidate channels)15:42
Sweet5hark1- some upstream mentoring and advise on commit I did earlier15:42
Sweet5hark1EOF15:42
willcookethanks Sweet5hark115:42
willcooke#topic TheMuso15:42
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willcooke* Continued working on bug 1574324. Thanks to Simon's help, we have somewhere to start adding debugging messages to get to the problem. Through a log I obtained thanks to getting some hardware that exhibits the problem, as well as logs from other users over time, I've already started back tracking and reading the code to get to the bottom.15:42
willcooke* Built a package for the reporter of bug 1608820 to test, similar to the above bug, disabled the bluetooth ubuntu touch packages to see if the bug is still present with vanilla upstream pulse 9 code.15:42
willcooke* Started planing for 17.04, further accessibility profile manager improvements, unity 8 accessibility, which will likely be the focus, and will be a multi-cycle project.15:42
willcooke* I also plan to do some iso testing in the coming week, to check accessibility and accessibility profiles making sure things work well enough there.15:42
ubot5bug 1574324 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "pulseaudio crashes when connecting to bluetooth headphones (due to ubuntu changes?)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157432415:42
ubot5bug 1608820 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Cannot use BT speaker - sink is suspended" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160882015:43
willcooke#topic tkamppeter15:43
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tkamppeter- ghostscript: Fixed media source, manual feed, and media type options of the PCL XL driver upstream and in Yakkety15:43
tkamppeter- HPLIP: Fixed bug of some PPDs being broken15:43
tkamppeter- cups-filters: Released 1.11.4 fixing a possible cause of infinite loops in cups-browsed, fixed inaccuracy of printing in low resolution (bar codes on lable printers).15:43
tkamppeter- cups: Synced Debian package with a fix of a bug which caused infinite loops.15:43
tkamppeter- Bugs.15:43
willcookethanks tkamppeter15:43
willcooke#topic Trevinho15:43
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Trevinho· Various cleanups in unity8 MenuItemFactory to use new slots-based components15:43
Trevinho· Fixed an issue of SlotsLayout in ui-components that caused paddings changes not to be dynamic15:43
Trevinho· Creating menu item styles for pointer and touch modes15:43
Trevinho -- And here it is15:43
willcookeeof Trevinho? Wondering if there was a link coming?15:45
TrevinhoEOF; yeah...15:45
Trevinhosorry :-)15:45
willcookethx Trevinho15:45
willcooke#topic robert_ancell15:45
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Laneytension15:46
willcookeMissing your bullets this week, but I know there has been work on landing fixes for G-S in Y while we wait for the MIR for snapdblig15:46
willcooke#topic AOB15:46
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willcookeAnyone got anything else?15:46
willcookeYou probably already know, but Beta 2 is delayed due to some kernel regressions.  Desktop ISO will get released at the same time as the others15:47
willcookeIf there's nothing else, let's wrap.  Going once....15:47
willcooke.. twice ..15:47
willcooke.. thrice ..15:48
willcooke#endmeeting15:48
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Sep 27 15:48:15 2016 UTC.15:48
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-09-27-15.30.moin.txt15:48
willcookethanks all15:48
Laneydanke15:48
flexiondotorgThanks.15:48
Sweet5hark1merci15:49
LaneyTrevinho: want to review https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/unity-lens-applications/dont-set-desktop-env/+merge/306914 quickly please?16:28
TrevinhoLaney: ok16:28
Laneyyouuuuuuuu are my favourite16:31
Trevinho:)16:35
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willcooke right, dinner time and child wrangling duties17:01
willcookenight all17:01
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Laneyme too17:12
Laneynighty night17:12
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ricotzSweet5hark1, hi, how is the feedback on defaulting to the gtk3 backend?17:37
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TheMusoflexiondotorg: Welcome dude, glad to have you abord. :)22:04
flexiondotorgTheMuso, Thanks:-)22:05
robert_ancellLaney, I think you didn't push your fix to bug 1571729 to wip/ubuntu? I cherry-picked it from wip/ubuntu-xenial but it has a different ID23:33
ubot5bug 1571729 in gnome-software (Ubuntu Xenial) "/usr/bin/gnome-software:11:look_at_pkg:load_apt_db:gs_plugin_refine:gs_plugin_loader_run_refine:gs_plugin_loader_run_results" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157172923:33

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