[04:55] <hikiko_> Hi
[05:14] <pitti> Good morning
[05:46] <duflu> Huh. Why do wily/vivid/trusty all say "supported"?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mir
[05:46] <duflu> Morning hikiko, pitti
[05:46] <pitti> hello duflu
[05:47] <pitti> duflu: trusty regularly is, vivid is our longest-ever LTS because touch/snappy, and wily is somewhere between "some Launchpad builders still run it" and "infinity needs to flip it"
[05:48] <duflu> pitti: Oh, thanks. That means our upstream support status is wrong then
[05:48] <pitti> so vivid and wily are not really supported any more, just vivid+overlay for touch/snappy is
[05:50] <duflu> pitti: I remember now. I took the decision to mark old unrealistic Mir series' as obsolete before the distro was
[05:50] <duflu> Which is realistic
[06:14] <hikiko> hi duflu pitti :)
[07:54] <willcooke> Morning all
[07:57] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, Morning
[07:58] <willcooke> morning flexiondotorg!  Ready for round 2?
[07:58] <flexiondotorg> Yep.
[07:58] <willcooke> \m/
[07:58] <flexiondotorg> I slept like 10 men last night :-)
[07:58] <willcooke> ha!
[07:59] <willcooke> Hope you weren't around too late
[07:59] <flexiondotorg> Not really, it was Sunday that was the issue.
[08:00] <flexiondotorg> The office that I now sit in, was a store room a few weeks ago.
[08:00] <flexiondotorg> Spent every weekend since knocking it into shape, which concluded at 01:14 on Monday morning :-)
[08:00] <flexiondotorg> But it was worth it.
[08:00] <willcooke> oh boy
[08:01] <willcooke> It's nice to have a place to work which isn't just the kitchen table though
[08:01] <flexiondotorg> Yep.
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> I have several friends who work from home (not Canonical) who I spoke to.
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> Their top advice is make your office a nice place to be.
[08:02] <Laney> brrrrrrrrrr
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> So I did.
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> I built a "man cave".
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Morning.
[08:02] <willcooke> morning Laney
[08:03] <Laney> Ahoy chaps
[08:03] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:03] <willcooke> I'm hoping to move my office in to the garage (well, half the garage)
[08:03] <willcooke> had a builder come round last night
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> Good. I've been out for my morning walk. Bracing!
[08:03] <willcooke> it'll give me a tiny bit more room, but more importantly it'll be away from crying toddlers
[08:04] <Laney> 6 feet of insulation required first?
[08:05] <willcooke> they have some special plasterboard which, as an added bonus, blocks out a lot of the sound
[08:06] <flexiondotorg> I've been toying with converting our garage.
[08:06] <flexiondotorg> Sadly it is now full of all the junk I displaced while build this office.
[08:07] <willcooke> ha, the eternal struggle
[08:07] <willcooke> garage -> loft -> shed -> garage
[08:08] <flexiondotorg> When the easiest solution is "make the house bigger", rather than "have a clear out", then you know you've got a problem ;-)
[08:10] <willcooke> :))
[08:27] <didrocks> too much ukish in this channel, let's introduce some frenchness! :)
[08:27] <didrocks> hey guys! (even if up for longgggggg)
[08:29] <flexiondotorg> Morning didrocks o/
[08:34] <davmor2> didrocks: guten tag old chap, damn it I tried to de-English for you and failed sorry :P
[08:38] <didrocks> davmor2: I'm sure you have time to get better to it! ;)
[08:39] <davmor2> didrocks: whato me owld mucka
[08:39] <willcooke> bonjour didrocks.  If it makes you feel any better I had a fresh croissant for breakfast.
[08:40] <davmor2> willcooke: pfff that's a lie, you had a shop bought croissant for breakfast they are a pain in the arse to make fresh I know
[08:41] <didrocks> willcooke: as long as it doesn't have chocolate in it, I'm good, you know about this! :)
[08:41] <willcooke> davmor2, it was from a shop, but it was made at the instore bakery
[08:41] <willcooke> it's as close as we're gonna get
[08:41] <davmor2> willcooke: :)
[08:41] <willcooke> this side of la Manche anyway
[08:42] <didrocks> so few kilometers to get it right though :-)
[08:42] <willcooke> lol
[08:45] <davmor2> willcooke: don't succumb didrocks is just trying to europify us again and you know we hate that so much ;)  Just start moaning about the weather and it'll pass :D
[08:45] <willcooke> davmor2, . . o O ( Bloody foreigners )
[08:46] <willcooke> phew, back to normal
[08:49] <davmor2> hahaha
[08:51] <Laney> davmor2: can you give https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1998 a blast when you get a bit please?
[08:54] <davmor2> Laney: sure
[08:55] <Laney> insert kissing emoji here
[08:55] <Laney> NO
[08:55] <Laney> 😘
[08:55] <Laney> hope you can see that, 'cos I can't
[08:55] <davmor2> Laney: decorum man
[08:59]  * duflu is confused
[09:04] <willcooke> Laney, have you seen emoj?  (snap find emoj)
[09:05] <Laney> I saw a post somewhere about that
[09:05] <Laney> looked fun
[09:05] <willcooke> G+ prolly
[09:06] <willcooke> 👽
[09:06] <Laney> still can't see them
[09:06] <Laney> never figured out that screen problem from months ago
[09:07] <davmor2> Laney: ah there is your issue use tmux or byobu or something noah didn't save from drowning ;)
[09:08] <Laney> get orf my lawn
[09:34] <davmor2> willcooke, Laney: Not an issue with hidpi but following the path for the checkbox I noticed that the is a grey block left behind by unchecking a video in Totem/Videos should it revert to show the full thumbnail?
[09:34] <Laney> press cancel at the top
[09:35] <davmor2> Laney: yeap that gets rid of it thanks
[09:35] <Laney> np
[09:35] <Laney> right clicking goes into a selection mode
[10:58] <davmor2> Laney, willcooke, jibel: So I have tested https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1998 in scale mode x2 (dells default) and in scale mode x1 the ubuntu default, everything I've looked at is great except our own webbrowser that doesn't seem to honour the scaling at all but that is no different than without the silo
[10:59] <Laney> it just changes some images in the theme
[10:59] <Laney> thanks for testing!
[11:15] <Laney> hmm
[11:15] <Laney> why doesn't NotShowIn work?
[11:26] <Laney> oh
[11:26] <Laney> wh
[11:28] <Laney> you know when you propose a simple fix and end up shaving a whole herd of yaks
[11:28]  * Laney is in this fresh hell
[11:50]  * flexiondotorg goes to get lunch
[11:56]  * Laney weeps
[12:05] <Laney> HA
[12:05] <Laney> IN YOUR FACE
[12:43] <desrt> hihi hippies
[12:47] <willcooke> howdy desrt
[12:47] <desrt> good morning willcooke
[12:51]  * flexiondotorg returns
[12:53] <flexiondotorg> davmor2, Do you have access to HiDPI capable hardware for testing?
[12:53] <flexiondotorg> desrt, o/
[12:53] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: I have a 4k xps13
[12:53] <flexiondotorg> OK, me too.
[12:53] <desrt> flexiondotorg: good morning
[12:53] <flexiondotorg> I was just setting it up while having lunch.
[12:54] <flexiondotorg> Installed 16.04.1, did updates. Moving the Scale slider in the Display settings does nothing.
[12:54] <flexiondotorg> Can you confirm?
[12:54] <flexiondotorg> I had the same on my XPS 15 lastnight.
[12:54] <flexiondotorg> I'm sure it worked a few weeks back.
[12:56] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: scale slider is working for me on 16.10, and worked for me on 16.04.1 when it was released, But I can do an upgrade test tomorrow and try it out while I'm at it
[12:56] <flexiondotorg> OK, thanks.
[12:57] <flexiondotorg> I'll test them both again this evening and see if it is reliably reproducible.
[12:57] <flexiondotorg> Any confirmation from yourself would be good :-)
[14:29]  * desrt senses a brief disturbance before remembering "oh ya... still DST."
[14:29] <willcooke> :)
[15:30] <willcooke> ding ding ding
[15:30] <desrt> hihi
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-09-27
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> o/
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 27 15:30:38 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, flexiondotorg, happyaron (at conf), hikiko, laney, qengho, seb128 (hols), sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <Trevinho> eo/
[15:30] <qengho> Aiee!
[15:31] <Laney> meow
[15:31] <dgadomski> hey
[15:31] <flexiondotorg> Hi
[15:32] <FJKong> halo
[15:32] <andyrock> hola
[15:32] <willcooke> Let's give people a couple of mins and we'll start
[15:33] <Sweet5hark1> .
[15:33] <willcooke> Let's start
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <andyrock> hey
[15:33] <andyrock> so still working on unity8 tooltips
[15:33] <andyrock> i sent a mp
[15:34] <andyrock> got a review (working on fixing it)
[15:34] <andyrock> eof
[15:34] <willcooke> Thanks andyrock
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <attente> hey, not much news this week
[15:35] <attente> was debugging issues with the jhbuild snapcraft plugin integration tests, not really sure how to resolve that :/
[15:35] <attente> currently looking into gtk-mir clipboard support with content-hub
[15:35] <attente> (eof)
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks attente.
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:35] <desrt> hey
[15:35] <desrt> had a couple of doctors appts this week
[15:36] <desrt> but... dconf now supports lockdown on paths, plus has support for "negative" lockdown (ie: negate locked down path with more specific permitted things)
[15:36] <desrt> attente: would appreciate it we can sync up on reviews for this after the meeting, since dconf doesn't really have any !me contributors
[15:36] <desrt> eof.
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> hi
[15:37] <dgadomski> just got back after being off for 2 weeks, so no updates really :)
[15:37] <willcooke> Hope you had a nice break dgadomski
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:37] <FJKong> hi
[15:37] <FJKong> bugs on #1575353 and #1628086 reported
[15:37] <FJKong> snap packaging gnuradio and cqrlog on progressing.
[15:37] <FJKong> spend some time learn about pulseaudio
[15:37] <FJKong> give NUDT guys help to unstand IM code structure.
[15:37] <FJKong> eof
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:37] <willcooke> Welcome!
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> Hi
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> I'm new here :-)
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> I've just about completed all my New Starter stuff.
[15:38] <desrt> flexiondotorg: welcome :)
[15:38] <Sweet5hark1> flexiondotorg: welcome!
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> So I can be contacted in all the right places.
[15:38] <qengho> Internet over radio?!
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> Indeed. Broadcasting at you right now!
[15:38] <willcooke> We're very happy you're here flexiondotorg
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> I've been given a list of bugs to work through and start on that a couple of hours ago.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> eof
[15:39] <willcooke> :) thanks flexiondotorg
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:39] <willcooke> Holidays & Bugs
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:40] <Laney> hi pals
[15:40] <Laney> • More futzing around with asgen - some mysterious crashes; reported. Recompiled with ldc, and seems more stable now. See for yourself: http://appstream.staging.ubuntu.com/
[15:40] <Laney> ∘ todo: backport appstream, ldc, debhelper, dh-autoreconf, build with ldc.
[15:40] <Laney> • Made the MIR report show Fix Released bugs so you can see which ones are just re-promotions
[15:40] <Laney> • Reviewed hidpi icons branch and fixed some errors, to land after the beta.
[15:40] <Laney> • Poked at guest session breakage and punted to the security team.
[15:40] <Laney> • Some work on OnlyShowIn/NotShowIn/DesktopNames stuff, so we can hide the new Terminal in Unity 8. This turned out to be a massive rabbit hole, but I know what to do now.
[15:40] <Laney> • FFe and queue reviews.
[15:40] <Laney> • Tested and synced the glib stable release.
[15:40] <Laney> • Some work on rls-y bugs:
[15:40] <Laney> ∘ Fixed a crash on i386 in gnome-software, and uploaded to X/Y.
[15:40] <Laney> ∘ Checked out a gvfs patch for properly showing removable drives and cherry-picked that.
[15:40] <Laney> 🚼
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:41] <qengho> * Chromium 53.0.2785.113 debugging on Yakkety. Not memory allocator. Little progress.
[15:41] <qengho> * Chromium rpi crash. Maybe some NEON instructions? Maybe.
[15:41] <qengho> * browsers & Google API. Rotated. Disabled keys. Still errors. Trying to find a human to help make sense of it.
[15:41] <qengho> EOF
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks qengho, let me know what you find out
[15:41] <qengho> Will do Will.
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark1
[15:42] <Sweet5hark1> .
[15:42] <Sweet5hark1> - three days PTO (Wed, Thu, Fri)
[15:42] <Sweet5hark1> - sprint travel prep
[15:42] <Sweet5hark1> - LibreOffice 5.2.2~rc2 to ppa
[15:42] <Sweet5hark1> - LibreOffice 5.2.2~rc2 to snap (edge, beta, candidate channels)
[15:42] <Sweet5hark1> - some upstream mentoring and advise on commit I did earlier
[15:42] <Sweet5hark1> EOF
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark1
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:42] <willcooke> * Continued working on bug 1574324. Thanks to Simon's help, we have somewhere to start adding debugging messages to get to the problem. Through a log I obtained thanks to getting some hardware that exhibits the problem, as well as logs from other users over time, I've already started back tracking and reading the code to get to the bottom.
[15:42] <willcooke> * Built a package for the reporter of bug 1608820 to test, similar to the above bug, disabled the bluetooth ubuntu touch packages to see if the bug is still present with vanilla upstream pulse 9 code.
[15:42] <willcooke> * Started planing for 17.04, further accessibility profile manager improvements, unity 8 accessibility, which will likely be the focus, and will be a multi-cycle project.
[15:42] <willcooke> * I also plan to do some iso testing in the coming week, to check accessibility and accessibility profiles making sure things work well enough there.
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - ghostscript: Fixed media source, manual feed, and media type options of the PCL XL driver upstream and in Yakkety
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - HPLIP: Fixed bug of some PPDs being broken
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released 1.11.4 fixing a possible cause of infinite loops in cups-browsed, fixed inaccuracy of printing in low resolution (bar codes on lable printers).
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - cups: Synced Debian package with a fix of a bug which caused infinite loops.
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Various cleanups in unity8 MenuItemFactory to use new slots-based components
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Fixed an issue of SlotsLayout in ui-components that caused paddings changes not to be dynamic
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Creating menu item styles for pointer and touch modes
[15:43] <Trevinho>  -- And here it is
[15:45] <willcooke> eof Trevinho? Wondering if there was a link coming?
[15:45] <Trevinho> EOF; yeah...
[15:45] <Trevinho> sorry :-)
[15:45] <willcooke> thx Trevinho
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:46] <Laney> tension
[15:46] <willcooke> Missing your bullets this week, but I know there has been work on landing fixes for G-S in Y while we wait for the MIR for snapdblig
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:46] <willcooke> Anyone got anything else?
[15:47] <willcooke> You probably already know, but Beta 2 is delayed due to some kernel regressions.  Desktop ISO will get released at the same time as the others
[15:47] <willcooke> If there's nothing else, let's wrap.  Going once....
[15:47] <willcooke> .. twice ..
[15:48] <willcooke> .. thrice ..
[15:48] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 27 15:48:15 2016 UTC.
[15:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-09-27-15.30.moin.txt
[15:48] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:48] <Laney> danke
[15:48] <flexiondotorg> Thanks.
[15:49] <Sweet5hark1> merci
[16:28] <Laney> Trevinho: want to review https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/unity-lens-applications/dont-set-desktop-env/+merge/306914 quickly please?
[16:28] <Trevinho> Laney: ok
[16:31] <Laney> youuuuuuuu are my favourite
[16:35] <Trevinho> :)
[17:01] <willcooke>  right, dinner time and child wrangling duties
[17:01] <willcooke> night all
[17:12] <Laney> me too
[17:12] <Laney> nighty night
[17:37] <ricotz> Sweet5hark1, hi, how is the feedback on defaulting to the gtk3 backend?
[18:52]  * flexiondotorg sort of finishes for the day.
[22:04] <TheMuso> flexiondotorg: Welcome dude, glad to have you abord. :)
[22:05] <flexiondotorg> TheMuso, Thanks:-)
[23:33] <robert_ancell> Laney, I think you didn't push your fix to bug 1571729 to wip/ubuntu? I cherry-picked it from wip/ubuntu-xenial but it has a different ID