| tsimonq2 | fun: https://pad.lv/1606238 | 00:08 |
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| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1606238 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "gnome-software won't open" [Critical,Triaged] | 00:08 |
| tsimonq2 | affects Lubuntu too, we recently switched to GNOME Software from the Lubuntu Software Center | 00:08 |
| robert_ancell | tsimonq2, can you reproduce that problem? | 00:39 |
| tsimonq2 | robert_ancell: doing some test cases in VMs now, I'll reproduce ASAP | 00:39 |
| tsimonq2 | going unusually slow today :/ | 00:39 |
| robert_ancell | tsimonq2, if you could build from gnome-software git using the gnome-3-20 branch that would be helpful to check | 00:40 |
| tsimonq2 | will do | 00:40 |
| tsimonq2 | robert_ancell: what's your TZ if I want to ping you with results? | 00:41 |
| robert_ancell | tsimonq2, +12 | 00:41 |
| tsimonq2 | UTC? huh, never seen that before. ;) | 00:42 |
| robert_ancell | (New Zealand) | 00:42 |
| tsimonq2 | oic | 00:42 |
| robert_ancell | tsimonq2, actually, do you workaround it by moving/removing ~/.local/share/gnome-software? If so, could you attach your contents of that? | 00:45 |
| tsimonq2 | I'll do both :) | 00:45 |
| tsimonq2 | (I'll be around and I'll let you know how it goes, but like I said, it's taking a while :/) | 00:48 |
| robert_ancell | Laney, I've pushed some more changes to wip/ubuntu but feel free to do a git push -f if you want to fix up the branch | 00:55 |
| robert_ancell | Laney, actually, now I notice it's my git that was set up wrong... please ignore the above messages... | 00:56 |
| tsimonq2 | interesting | 01:39 |
| tsimonq2 | robert_ancell: so it does launch fine, that bug is no longer an issue | 01:39 |
| tsimonq2 | robert_ancell: but look at that screenshot | 01:39 |
| tsimonq2 | http://i.imgur.com/OcYOqVZ.png | 01:39 |
| tsimonq2 | robert_ancell: that's when I try to update it, or whatever prompt it wants to give | 01:40 |
| robert_ancell | tsimonq2, weird, never seen that before | 01:40 |
| tsimonq2 | yeah | 01:40 |
| tsimonq2 | weirdf | 01:40 |
| tsimonq2 | *weird | 01:40 |
| tsimonq2 | I'll grab the latest gnome-software from the gnome-3-20 branch and see if it's also an issue there | 01:41 |
| tsimonq2 | robert_ancell: have any idea as to what it could be? | 01:43 |
| robert_ancell | tsimonq2, I figure it's asking network manager if it's online. I wonder if that functionality is not in Lubuntu? | 01:44 |
| robert_ancell | or not working | 01:44 |
| robert_ancell | Or perhaps there is a GNOME service that proxies that information | 01:44 |
| sarnold | is there any chance that the program in question logged to stderr or something else -why- it thinks it's offline? | 01:44 |
| tsimonq2 | ah yes, "Device Not Managed" | 01:44 |
| tsimonq2 | it's a known bug with uys | 01:44 |
| tsimonq2 | *us | 01:44 |
| tsimonq2 | could that be why? | 01:44 |
| tsimonq2 | if so, that's a little...weird | 01:45 |
| tsimonq2 | I'm going to bed, I'll troubleshoot more in the morning | 01:49 |
| tsimonq2 | o/ | 01:49 |
| robert_ancell | tsimonq2, thanks, bye | 01:53 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 05:23 |
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| flexiondotorg | Morning pitti | 07:56 |
| willcooke | Goodly morelode | 08:03 |
| Laney | yo | 08:03 |
| flexiondotorg | Morning fellas | 08:04 |
| willcooke | This dodgy import laptop battery is dying quickly now. Won't charge to more than 42% | 08:07 |
| Laney | http://freedrinkpubs.co.uk/ <- free pint | 08:09 |
| willcooke | oooh | 08:11 |
| willcooke | nice | 08:11 |
| willcooke | trying to find a list of the pubs | 08:12 |
| willcooke | I assume it's Punch taverns only | 08:12 |
| willcooke | Nowhere near enough to warrant going to for a free pint :( | 08:14 |
| Laney | :( | 08:15 |
| pitti | hey flexiondotorg, good morning | 08:17 |
| flexiondotorg | o/ | 08:17 |
| pitti | and good morning to Laney and willcooke too! | 08:17 |
| willcooke | morning pitti | 08:17 |
| Laney | hi pitti! | 08:19 |
| willcooke | Laney, TheMuso uploaded ubuntu-terminal-app per: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1626457 | 08:22 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1626457 in Ubuntu "[FFE] Ubuntu Terminal App request" [Medium,Triaged] | 08:22 |
| willcooke | but can't find it in proposed. Will it take a while to appear? | 08:22 |
| Laney | it'll be in the queue | 08:23 |
| willcooke | oki | 08:23 |
| willcooke | and indeed it is | 08:23 |
| willcooke | thanks Laney | 08:23 |
| Laney | winning | 08:24 |
| willcooke | ah, finally the survey lands in my inbox | 09:25 |
| willcooke | hikiko, you might receive one too now? ^ | 09:25 |
| * Sweet5hark sneezes. | 09:26 | |
| * Sweet5hark caught a cold and is more grumpy than usual. | 09:26 | |
| willcooke | uh oh. :) Nobody annoy him. He has access to tanks. | 09:26 |
| Sweet5hark | *squeeksqueeksqueek* | 09:27 |
| jbicha | good morning | 10:14 |
| flexiondotorg | Morning jbicha | 10:27 |
| hikiko | Wi | 10:30 |
| hikiko | Pff | 10:30 |
| hikiko | willcooke: yes I rev | 10:31 |
| hikiko | received it | 10:31 |
| willcooke | hikiko, thx. | 10:31 |
| hikiko | and your reminder too :) thnx | 10:31 |
| willcooke | :) | 10:31 |
| Laney | happy surveying! | 10:32 |
| Laney | hi jbicha | 10:32 |
| jbicha | Laney: do you want to do the gobject-introspection update? since it's related to glib2.0 | 10:33 |
| Laney | jbicha: it's already in progress, just finishing up something else | 10:34 |
| jbicha | thanks, gnome didn't change much with the update but Debian did… | 10:36 |
| Laney | riddy smoke alarm just went off | 10:55 |
| Laney | ruddy | 10:55 |
| Laney | no fire though ... | 10:55 |
| willcooke | erk] | 11:02 |
| Laney | good job I didn't go to the library today | 11:05 |
| Laney | #sorryneighbours | 11:06 |
| ricotz | Sweet5hark, hi, how is the feedback on defaulting to the gtk3 backend? | 11:06 |
| ricotz | hey desktopers | 11:06 |
| davmor2 | flexiondotorg: 16.04.1 installing now I'll keep an eye on the slider throughout | 11:08 |
| Sweet5hark | ricotz: tab titles are an issue on yakkety, otherwise fine there. backports are more tricky. | 11:11 |
| ricotz | Sweet5hark, I see, I reverted it locally due it is not usable due a huge performance loss :\ | 11:12 |
| ricotz | Sweet5hark, "backports are more tricky"? | 11:13 |
| davmor2 | flexiondotorg: slider for scaling is working on 16.04.1 | 11:16 |
| Sweet5hark | ricotz: yeah, thats why we are doing in on LTS+1 -- most other distros already went gtk3 earlier anyway. | 11:19 |
| Sweet5hark | as discussed at the lO conf:upstream really wants to kill gtk2, the only reason it is still around is the ancient baseline for the deb/rpm packages building for download on libreoffice.org. | 11:20 |
| Sweet5hark | 11:20 | |
| flexiondotorg | davmor2, Yes, I tested last night clean install on xps 13. Scale worked. | 11:23 |
| Sweet5hark | https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2016/09/28/merging-communities/ <- just leaving this here (#libreoffice #openoffice) | 11:26 |
| ricotz | Sweet5hark, ok, dropping gtk2 is bad if the gtk3 doesn't provide a nearly equal performance, and currently is seems really bad | 11:27 |
| Sweet5hark | ricotz: patches welcome | 11:27 |
| ricotz | Sweet5hark, or is there a known difference between gtk 3.20 vs 3.22 in that regard? | 11:28 |
| ricotz | I am on 3.22 here | 11:28 |
| ricotz | Sweet5hark, yeah, of course :) | 11:29 |
| Sweet5hark | not that Im aware. But only gtk3 will run on MIR/Wayland. | 11:29 |
| ricotz | ok | 11:29 |
| ricotz | btw, is 5.2.2~rc2 in sight? | 11:29 |
| Sweet5hark | already on libreoffice-staging, but I need to fix the libabw madness. | 11:31 |
| ricotz | Sweet5hark, ah, I see -- regarding libabw building against -proposed works fine | 11:41 |
| ricotz | there are no actions needed on the libreoffice package other than a no-change rebuild to pick it up | 11:42 |
| ricotz | hmm, no ~yakketyX suffix | 11:43 |
| davmor2 | willcooke, Laney: did something change for scaling between 16.04.1 and 16.10. I set scaling to 2 upgraded and it was set to 1 again :( | 11:44 |
| ogra_ | davmor2, this is due to our new partnership with your optician ... you should finally buy these new glasses | 11:47 |
| Laney | not that I know of | 11:48 |
| Laney | ask Trevinho | 11:48 |
| ricotz | Sweet5hark, https://paste.debian.net/plain/843089 | 11:50 |
| Trevinho | davmor2: Mh.. No. Nothing changed. There was an idle around for settings that could be unstable though | 11:50 |
| pitti | jbicha: I don't understand http://launchpadlibrarian.net/287053931/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings_16.10.4_16.10.5.diff.gz -- "stop hiding" sounds like "drop the NoDisplay", not "drop the entire .desktop file"? | 11:51 |
| davmor2 | Trevinho: right I'll do an install in vm and see if it happens there too, erm I suppose the setting is stored in dconf right? | 11:52 |
| davmor2 | ogra_: if only it was that easy ;) | 11:52 |
| jbicha | pitti: the only reason u-g-default-settings sticks stuff in /usr/share/gnome/applications is to set NoDisplay=true to override unwanted "apps" showing up | 11:54 |
| pitti | jbicha: ah, that's a higher-prio lookup path? I see | 11:54 |
| pitti | jbicha: thanks, accepted | 11:54 |
| jbicha | yes, and ubuntu-software uses /usr/share/ubuntu/applications/ | 11:57 |
| jbicha | which is the higher priority directory for Unity (based on the XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP name) | 11:58 |
| Sweet5hark | ricotz: hmmm? that has no changes in control.in, just in control. build time is fine, installing on yakkety has trouble. but its ok, Ill take care of that. | 11:58 |
| Mirv | hmm, where in wiki.ubuntu.com is documented what's needed to edit wiki.ubuntu.com? | 11:58 |
| ricotz | Sweet5hark, in rules | 11:58 |
| ricotz | Sweet5hark, there are no gcc-6.2 packages | 11:59 |
| Sweet5hark | ah, ok. will merge. | 11:59 |
| * flexiondotorg seeks out food | 12:23 | |
| xnox | Mirv, i believe one needs to login and be an ubuntu member. | 12:37 |
| xnox | Mirv, some pages are locked further more, to prevent spam and only subset of users can change those. | 12:37 |
| jbicha | Mirv: it's documented if you click the Help button in the toolbar | 12:44 |
| desrt | word. | 12:59 |
| Mirv | thank you xnox, jbicha! I was answering to someone who asked me to edit wiki pages that I had edited in the past. | 13:00 |
| willcooke | what up desrt | 13:03 |
| desrt | coffee | 13:03 |
| desrt | you? | 13:04 |
| ximion | Laney: any new mysterious crashes? | 13:11 |
| * flexiondotorg returns | 13:16 | |
| Laney | hi ximion | 13:52 |
| Laney | all good so far | 13:53 |
| Laney | ximion: what's this business about requiring permissive licenses? | 13:59 |
| * andyrock is back | 14:02 | |
| Laney | wb andyrock | 14:04 |
| ximion | Laney: we compile all the metadata into one big file in the end | 14:04 |
| Laney | what was the problem? | 14:04 |
| ximion | Laney: if one metadata piece is GPL licensed, and some other one is CDDL licensed, we will violate one of those license because we actually are not allowed to combine the works | 14:05 |
| ximion | having a set of allowed permissive licenses for metadata stated explicitly gives legal safety | 14:06 |
| Laney | ximion: that was a legal opinion? | 14:09 |
| Laney | How do Debian Packages files get away with it? | 14:09 |
| Trevinho | davmor2: yeah, dconf | 14:13 |
| davmor2 | Trevinho: yeah got it thanks :) | 14:14 |
| davmor2 | Trevinho: just waiting on the upgrade to finish to check it | 14:14 |
| flexiondotorg | willcooke, Regarding #1624022 I have a test build that works. | 14:24 |
| flexiondotorg | So, the question is, should this be back ported to Xenial? | 14:25 |
| willcooke | flexiondotorg, excellent! | 14:25 |
| flexiondotorg | And what about Debian? | 14:25 |
| willcooke | We can certainly try Debian, but not sure if they'd want it or not - worth asking though | 14:26 |
| willcooke | regarding Xenial - let's get it in to Y (if we still can) first and then worry about backports. It should be safe enough, but would like to get feedback from Laney and seb128 | 14:26 |
| flexiondotorg | Laney, regarding #1624022 | 14:27 |
| Laney | erm | 14:27 |
| flexiondotorg | I've simply create a symlink in debian/rules as part of binary-indep: | 14:27 |
| Laney | Is taking over such a generic name in a required package a good idea? | 14:28 |
| flexiondotorg | I did wonder. | 14:28 |
| flexiondotorg | I've check for name collisions. | 14:28 |
| flexiondotorg | Can't find any. | 14:28 |
| Laney | I would talk to anibal first if I were you | 14:33 |
| Laney | Depends how urgent this is | 14:33 |
| willcooke | I don't think it's super urgent | 14:34 |
| ximion_ | Laney: they likely get away withit by nobody caring | 14:34 |
| ximion_ | Laney: the request was made by Red Hat people in the very early days of AppStream, and the reasoning is sound | 14:34 |
| ximion_ | a bit over-pedantic, maybe, but who knows? better be careful with legal stuff | 14:35 |
| Laney | is it? | 14:35 |
| Laney | I don't know if it's real or not | 14:35 |
| Laney | anyway | 14:35 |
| Laney | GNOME stuff is using GPL in there | 14:35 |
| Laney | so... | 14:35 |
| ximion_ | haha | 14:35 |
| ximion_ | which project is it? | 14:35 |
| Laney | sec | 14:36 |
| flexiondotorg | Laney, aside from concerns about generic names, can you take a peek at this and let me know if the approach I've taken is suitable please? | 14:41 |
| flexiondotorg | https://pastebin.canonical.com/166610/ | 14:41 |
| Laney | flexiondotorg: that looks correct (you should use the public pastebin on public IRC, BTW) | 14:44 |
| flexiondotorg | OK, noted. | 14:44 |
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| ximion | Laney: did you write something while my connection was flaky? | 14:48 |
| jbicha | I don't like sensible-browser; I think most things use mimetypes instead | 14:51 |
| davmor2 | Trevinho: so it isn't being reset on virtual machine so might very well be a timing issue | 14:51 |
| jbicha | xdg-open http://www.google.com/ opens Firefox here but sensible-browser http://www.google.com/ opens Epiphany :( | 14:53 |
| Laney | ximion: https://paste.debian.net/843196/ | 15:05 |
| Laney | or https://paste.debian.net/843197/ for debian | 15:06 |
| Laney | jbicha: yeah same here | 15:06 |
| jbicha | I commented on the bug report | 15:11 |
| Sweet5hark | Laney: around? | 15:51 |
| Sweet5hark | (contentless ping alert) | 15:51 |
| Laney | yes | 15:56 |
| rip_harambe_2016 | Are we gonna have that unity 8 session in 16.10 or Not??? | 16:00 |
| Laney | that's the plan | 16:04 |
| xnox | if I do specify gi.require_version('Gtk', '3.0') pyflakes yells at me that i have imports not at the top of the file. | 16:32 |
| xnox | if i don't specify it, gtk yells at me for not declaring required version number | 16:32 |
| Laney | I know which one of those I'd pick :-) | 16:36 |
| Laney | (# nopep8) | 16:37 |
| ximion | Laney: that weird bug hughsie found I will fix when I'm home | 16:37 |
| ximion | also, fonts support is almost ready, I just need to make it spec compliant now :P | 16:37 |
| ximion | and it requires a lot of testing and fonts shipping metainfo files | 16:38 |
| Laney | ximion: what bug? | 16:44 |
| Laney | & nice | 16:44 |
| ximion | Laney: something haveing " as category name | 16:46 |
| Laney | heh | 16:48 |
| kenvandine | willcooke, the system-settings silo dropping urfkill and dbus-property-service has landed for xenial and vivid | 16:48 |
| kenvandine | willcooke, in the unapproved queue for yakkety | 16:48 |
| willcooke | kenvandine, awesome, thanks kenvandine | 16:48 |
| kenvandine | willcooke, np | 16:49 |
| Laney | right | 17:01 |
| Laney | might get a few minutes at the allotment if i'm quick | 17:01 |
| Laney | laters potaters | 17:01 |
| willcooke | see ya Laney | 17:11 |
| willcooke | night all | 17:31 |
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