[00:08] <tsimonq2> fun: https://pad.lv/1606238
[00:08] <tsimonq2> affects Lubuntu too, we recently switched to GNOME Software from the Lubuntu Software Center
[00:39] <robert_ancell> tsimonq2, can you reproduce that problem?
[00:39] <tsimonq2> robert_ancell: doing some test cases in VMs now, I'll reproduce ASAP
[00:39] <tsimonq2> going unusually slow today :/
[00:40] <robert_ancell> tsimonq2, if you could build from gnome-software git using the gnome-3-20 branch that would be helpful to check
[00:40] <tsimonq2> will do
[00:41] <tsimonq2> robert_ancell: what's your TZ if I want to ping you with results?
[00:41] <robert_ancell> tsimonq2, +12
[00:42] <tsimonq2> UTC? huh, never seen that before. ;)
[00:42] <robert_ancell> (New Zealand)
[00:42] <tsimonq2> oic
[00:45] <robert_ancell> tsimonq2, actually, do you workaround it by moving/removing ~/.local/share/gnome-software? If so, could you attach your contents of that?
[00:45] <tsimonq2> I'll do both :)
[00:48] <tsimonq2> (I'll be around and I'll let you know how it goes, but like I said, it's taking a while :/)
[00:55] <robert_ancell> Laney, I've pushed some more changes to wip/ubuntu but feel free to do a git push -f if you want to fix up the branch
[00:56] <robert_ancell> Laney, actually, now I notice it's my git that was set up wrong... please ignore the above messages...
[01:39] <tsimonq2> interesting
[01:39] <tsimonq2> robert_ancell: so it does launch fine, that bug is no longer an issue
[01:39] <tsimonq2> robert_ancell: but look at that screenshot
[01:39] <tsimonq2> http://i.imgur.com/OcYOqVZ.png
[01:40] <tsimonq2> robert_ancell: that's when I try to update it, or whatever prompt it wants to give
[01:40] <robert_ancell> tsimonq2, weird, never seen that before
[01:40] <tsimonq2> yeah
[01:40] <tsimonq2> weirdf
[01:40] <tsimonq2> *weird
[01:41] <tsimonq2> I'll grab the latest gnome-software from the gnome-3-20 branch and see if it's also an issue there
[01:43] <tsimonq2> robert_ancell: have any idea as to what it could be?
[01:44] <robert_ancell> tsimonq2, I figure it's asking network manager if it's online. I wonder if that functionality is not in Lubuntu?
[01:44] <robert_ancell> or not working
[01:44] <robert_ancell> Or perhaps there is a GNOME service that proxies that information
[01:44] <sarnold> is there any chance that the program in question logged to stderr or something else -why- it thinks it's offline?
[01:44] <tsimonq2> ah yes, "Device Not Managed"
[01:44] <tsimonq2> it's a known bug with uys
[01:44] <tsimonq2> *us
[01:44] <tsimonq2> could that be why?
[01:45] <tsimonq2> if so, that's a little...weird
[01:49] <tsimonq2> I'm going to bed, I'll troubleshoot more in the morning
[01:49] <tsimonq2> o/
[01:53] <robert_ancell> tsimonq2, thanks, bye
[02:15]  * duflu wonders if that's like a moonwalk
[05:23] <pitti> Good morning
[07:56] <flexiondotorg> Morning pitti
[08:03] <willcooke> Goodly morelode
[08:03] <Laney> yo
[08:04] <flexiondotorg> Morning fellas
[08:07] <willcooke> This dodgy import laptop battery is dying quickly now.  Won't charge to more than 42%
[08:09] <Laney> http://freedrinkpubs.co.uk/ <- free pint
[08:11] <willcooke> oooh
[08:11] <willcooke> nice
[08:12] <willcooke> trying to find a list of the pubs
[08:12] <willcooke> I assume it's Punch taverns only
[08:14] <willcooke> Nowhere near enough to warrant going to for a free pint :(
[08:15] <Laney> :(
[08:17] <pitti> hey flexiondotorg, good morning
[08:17] <flexiondotorg> o/
[08:17] <pitti> and good morning to Laney and willcooke too!
[08:17] <willcooke> morning pitti
[08:19] <Laney> hi pitti!
[08:22] <willcooke> Laney, TheMuso uploaded ubuntu-terminal-app per: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1626457
[08:22] <willcooke> but  can't find it in proposed.  Will it take a while to appear?
[08:23] <Laney> it'll be in the queue
[08:23] <willcooke> oki
[08:23] <willcooke> and indeed it is
[08:23] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[08:24] <Laney> winning
[09:25] <willcooke> ah, finally the survey lands in my inbox
[09:25] <willcooke> hikiko, you might receive one too now? ^
[09:26]  * Sweet5hark sneezes.
[09:26]  * Sweet5hark caught a cold and is more grumpy than usual.
[09:26] <willcooke> uh oh.  :)  Nobody annoy him.  He has access to tanks.
[09:27] <Sweet5hark> *squeeksqueeksqueek*
[10:14] <jbicha> good morning
[10:27] <flexiondotorg> Morning jbicha
[10:30] <hikiko> Wi
[10:30] <hikiko> Pff
[10:31] <hikiko> willcooke: yes I rev
[10:31] <hikiko> received it
[10:31] <willcooke> hikiko, thx.
[10:31] <hikiko> and your reminder too :) thnx
[10:31] <willcooke> :)
[10:32] <Laney> happy surveying!
[10:32] <Laney> hi jbicha
[10:33] <jbicha> Laney: do you want to do the gobject-introspection update? since it's related to glib2.0
[10:34] <Laney> jbicha: it's already in progress, just finishing up something else
[10:36] <jbicha> thanks, gnome didn't change much with the update but Debian did…
[10:55] <Laney> riddy smoke alarm just went off
[10:55] <Laney> ruddy
[10:55] <Laney> no fire though ...
[11:02] <willcooke> erk]
[11:05] <Laney> good job I didn't go to the library today
[11:06] <Laney> #sorryneighbours
[11:06] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hi, how is the feedback on defaulting to the gtk3 backend?
[11:06] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[11:08] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: 16.04.1 installing now I'll keep an eye on the slider throughout
[11:11] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: tab titles are an issue on yakkety, otherwise fine there. backports are more tricky.
[11:12] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, I see, I reverted it locally due it is not usable due a huge performance loss :\
[11:13] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, "backports are more tricky"?
[11:16] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: slider for scaling is working on 16.04.1
[11:19] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: yeah, thats why we are doing in on LTS+1 -- most other distros already went gtk3 earlier anyway.
[11:20] <Sweet5hark> as discussed at the lO conf:upstream really wants to kill gtk2, the only reason it is still around is the ancient baseline for the  deb/rpm packages building for download on libreoffice.org.
[11:20] <Sweet5hark>  
[11:23] <flexiondotorg> davmor2, Yes, I tested last night clean install on xps 13. Scale worked.
[11:26] <Sweet5hark> https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2016/09/28/merging-communities/ <- just leaving this here (#libreoffice #openoffice)
[11:27] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, ok, dropping gtk2 is bad if the gtk3 doesn't provide a nearly equal performance, and currently is seems really bad
[11:27] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: patches welcome
[11:28] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, or is there a known difference between gtk 3.20 vs 3.22 in that regard?
[11:28] <ricotz> I am on 3.22 here
[11:29] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, yeah, of course :)
[11:29] <Sweet5hark> not that Im aware. But only gtk3 will run on MIR/Wayland.
[11:29] <ricotz> ok
[11:29] <ricotz> btw, is 5.2.2~rc2 in sight?
[11:31] <Sweet5hark> already on libreoffice-staging, but I need to fix the libabw madness.
[11:41] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, ah, I see -- regarding libabw building against -proposed works fine
[11:42] <ricotz> there are no actions needed on the libreoffice package other than a no-change rebuild to pick it up
[11:43] <ricotz> hmm, no ~yakketyX suffix
[11:44] <davmor2> willcooke, Laney: did something change for scaling between 16.04.1 and 16.10.  I set scaling to 2 upgraded and it was set to 1 again :(
[11:47] <ogra_> davmor2, this is due to our new partnership with your optician ... you should finally buy these new glasses
[11:48] <Laney> not that I know of
[11:48] <Laney> ask Trevinho
[11:50] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, https://paste.debian.net/plain/843089
[11:50] <Trevinho> davmor2: Mh.. No. Nothing changed. There was an idle around for settings  that could be unstable though
[11:51] <pitti> jbicha: I don't understand http://launchpadlibrarian.net/287053931/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings_16.10.4_16.10.5.diff.gz -- "stop hiding" sounds like "drop the NoDisplay", not "drop the entire .desktop file"?
[11:52] <davmor2> Trevinho: right I'll do an install in vm and see if it happens there too, erm I suppose the setting is stored in dconf right?
[11:52] <davmor2> ogra_: if only it was that easy ;)
[11:54] <jbicha> pitti: the only reason u-g-default-settings sticks stuff in /usr/share/gnome/applications is to set NoDisplay=true to override unwanted "apps" showing up
[11:54] <pitti> jbicha: ah, that's a higher-prio lookup path? I see
[11:54] <pitti> jbicha: thanks, accepted
[11:57] <jbicha> yes, and ubuntu-software uses /usr/share/ubuntu/applications/
[11:58] <jbicha> which is the higher priority directory for Unity (based on the XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP name)
[11:58] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: hmmm? that has no changes in control.in, just in control. build time is fine, installing on yakkety has trouble. but its ok, Ill take care of that.
[11:58] <Mirv> hmm, where in wiki.ubuntu.com is documented what's needed to edit wiki.ubuntu.com?
[11:58] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, in rules
[11:59] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, there are no gcc-6.2 packages
[11:59] <Sweet5hark> ah, ok. will merge.
[12:23]  * flexiondotorg seeks out food
[12:37] <xnox> Mirv, i believe one needs to login and be an ubuntu member.
[12:37] <xnox> Mirv, some pages are locked further more, to prevent spam and only subset of users can change those.
[12:44] <jbicha> Mirv: it's documented if you click the Help button in the toolbar
[12:59] <desrt> word.
[13:00] <Mirv> thank you xnox, jbicha! I was answering to someone who asked me to edit wiki pages that I had edited in the past.
[13:03] <willcooke> what up desrt
[13:03] <desrt> coffee
[13:04] <desrt> you?
[13:11] <ximion> Laney: any new mysterious crashes?
[13:16]  * flexiondotorg returns
[13:52] <Laney> hi ximion
[13:53] <Laney> all good so far
[13:59] <Laney> ximion: what's this business about requiring permissive licenses?
[14:02]  * andyrock is back
[14:04] <Laney> wb andyrock
[14:04] <ximion> Laney: we compile all the metadata into one big file in the end
[14:04] <Laney> what was the problem?
[14:05] <ximion> Laney: if one metadata piece is GPL licensed, and some other one is CDDL licensed, we will violate one of those license because we actually are not allowed to combine the works
[14:06] <ximion> having a set of allowed permissive licenses for metadata stated explicitly gives legal safety
[14:09] <Laney> ximion: that was a legal opinion?
[14:09] <Laney> How do Debian Packages files get away with it?
[14:13] <Trevinho> davmor2: yeah, dconf
[14:14] <davmor2> Trevinho: yeah got it thanks :)
[14:14] <davmor2> Trevinho: just waiting on the upgrade to finish to check it
[14:24] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, Regarding #1624022 I have a test build that works.
[14:25] <flexiondotorg> So, the question is, should this be back ported to Xenial?
[14:25] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, excellent!
[14:25] <flexiondotorg> And what about Debian?
[14:26] <willcooke> We can certainly try Debian, but not sure if they'd want it or not - worth asking though
[14:26] <willcooke> regarding Xenial - let's get it in to Y (if we still can) first and then worry about backports.  It should be safe enough, but would like to get feedback from Laney and seb128
[14:27] <flexiondotorg> Laney, regarding #1624022
[14:27] <Laney> erm
[14:27] <flexiondotorg> I've simply create a symlink in debian/rules as part of binary-indep:
[14:28] <Laney> Is taking over such a generic name in a required package a good idea?
[14:28] <flexiondotorg> I did wonder.
[14:28] <flexiondotorg> I've check for name collisions.
[14:28] <flexiondotorg> Can't find any.
[14:33] <Laney> I would talk to anibal first if I were you
[14:33] <Laney> Depends how urgent this is
[14:34] <willcooke> I don't think it's super urgent
[14:34] <ximion_> Laney: they likely get away withit by nobody caring
[14:34] <ximion_> Laney: the request was made by Red Hat people in the very early days of AppStream, and the reasoning is sound
[14:35] <ximion_> a bit over-pedantic, maybe, but who knows? better be careful with legal stuff
[14:35] <Laney> is it?
[14:35] <Laney> I don't know if it's real or not
[14:35] <Laney> anyway
[14:35] <Laney> GNOME stuff is using GPL in there
[14:35] <Laney> so...
[14:35] <ximion_> haha
[14:35] <ximion_> which project is it?
[14:36] <Laney> sec
[14:41] <flexiondotorg> Laney, aside from concerns about generic names, can you take a peek at this and let me know if the approach I've taken is suitable please?
[14:41] <flexiondotorg> https://pastebin.canonical.com/166610/
[14:44] <Laney> flexiondotorg: that looks correct (you should use the public pastebin on public IRC, BTW)
[14:44] <flexiondotorg> OK, noted.
[14:48] <ximion> Laney: did you write something while my connection was flaky?
[14:51] <jbicha> I don't like sensible-browser; I think most things use mimetypes instead
[14:51] <davmor2> Trevinho: so it isn't being reset on virtual machine so might very well be a timing issue
[14:53] <jbicha> xdg-open http://www.google.com/ opens Firefox here but sensible-browser http://www.google.com/ opens Epiphany :(
[15:05] <Laney> ximion: https://paste.debian.net/843196/
[15:06] <Laney> or https://paste.debian.net/843197/ for debian
[15:06] <Laney> jbicha: yeah same here
[15:11] <jbicha> I commented on the bug report
[15:51] <Sweet5hark> Laney: around?
[15:51] <Sweet5hark> (contentless ping alert)
[15:56] <Laney> yes
[16:00] <rip_harambe_2016>  Are we gonna have that unity 8 session in 16.10 or Not???
[16:04] <Laney> that's the plan
[16:32] <xnox> if I do specify gi.require_version('Gtk', '3.0') pyflakes yells at me that i have imports not at the top of the file.
[16:32] <xnox> if i don't specify it, gtk yells at me for not declaring required version number
[16:36] <Laney> I know which one of those I'd pick :-)
[16:37] <Laney> (# nopep8)
[16:37] <ximion> Laney: that weird bug hughsie found I will fix when I'm home
[16:37] <ximion> also, fonts support is almost ready, I just need to make it spec compliant now :P
[16:38] <ximion> and it requires a lot of testing and fonts shipping metainfo files
[16:44] <Laney> ximion: what bug?
[16:44] <Laney> & nice
[16:46] <ximion> Laney: something haveing " as category name
[16:48] <Laney> heh
[16:48] <kenvandine> willcooke, the system-settings silo dropping urfkill and dbus-property-service has landed for xenial and vivid
[16:48] <kenvandine> willcooke, in the unapproved queue for yakkety
[16:48] <willcooke> kenvandine, awesome, thanks kenvandine
[16:49] <kenvandine> willcooke, np
[17:01] <Laney> right
[17:01] <Laney> might get a few minutes at the allotment if i'm quick
[17:01] <Laney> laters potaters
[17:11] <willcooke> see ya Laney
[17:31] <willcooke> night all