[00:08] fun: https://pad.lv/1606238 [00:08] Launchpad bug 1606238 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "gnome-software won't open" [Critical,Triaged] [00:08] affects Lubuntu too, we recently switched to GNOME Software from the Lubuntu Software Center [00:39] tsimonq2, can you reproduce that problem? [00:39] robert_ancell: doing some test cases in VMs now, I'll reproduce ASAP [00:39] going unusually slow today :/ [00:40] tsimonq2, if you could build from gnome-software git using the gnome-3-20 branch that would be helpful to check [00:40] will do [00:41] robert_ancell: what's your TZ if I want to ping you with results? [00:41] tsimonq2, +12 [00:42] UTC? huh, never seen that before. ;) [00:42] (New Zealand) [00:42] oic [00:45] tsimonq2, actually, do you workaround it by moving/removing ~/.local/share/gnome-software? If so, could you attach your contents of that? [00:45] I'll do both :) [00:48] (I'll be around and I'll let you know how it goes, but like I said, it's taking a while :/) [00:55] Laney, I've pushed some more changes to wip/ubuntu but feel free to do a git push -f if you want to fix up the branch [00:56] Laney, actually, now I notice it's my git that was set up wrong... please ignore the above messages... [01:39] interesting [01:39] robert_ancell: so it does launch fine, that bug is no longer an issue [01:39] robert_ancell: but look at that screenshot [01:39] http://i.imgur.com/OcYOqVZ.png [01:40] robert_ancell: that's when I try to update it, or whatever prompt it wants to give [01:40] tsimonq2, weird, never seen that before [01:40] yeah [01:40] weirdf [01:40] *weird [01:41] I'll grab the latest gnome-software from the gnome-3-20 branch and see if it's also an issue there [01:43] robert_ancell: have any idea as to what it could be? [01:44] tsimonq2, I figure it's asking network manager if it's online. I wonder if that functionality is not in Lubuntu? [01:44] or not working [01:44] Or perhaps there is a GNOME service that proxies that information [01:44] is there any chance that the program in question logged to stderr or something else -why- it thinks it's offline? [01:44] ah yes, "Device Not Managed" [01:44] it's a known bug with uys [01:44] *us [01:44] could that be why? [01:45] if so, that's a little...weird [01:49] I'm going to bed, I'll troubleshoot more in the morning [01:49] o/ [01:53] tsimonq2, thanks, bye === thumper is now known as thumper-dogwalk [02:15] * duflu wonders if that's like a moonwalk === JanC_ is now known as JanC === thumper-dogwalk is now known as thumper-coffee === thumper-coffee is now known as thumper [05:23] Good morning === jibel_ is now known as jibel === cpaelzer_ is now known as cpaelzer [07:56] Morning pitti [08:03] Goodly morelode [08:03] yo [08:04] Morning fellas [08:07] This dodgy import laptop battery is dying quickly now. Won't charge to more than 42% [08:09] http://freedrinkpubs.co.uk/ <- free pint [08:11] oooh [08:11] nice [08:12] trying to find a list of the pubs [08:12] I assume it's Punch taverns only [08:14] Nowhere near enough to warrant going to for a free pint :( [08:15] :( [08:17] hey flexiondotorg, good morning [08:17] o/ [08:17] and good morning to Laney and willcooke too! [08:17] morning pitti [08:19] hi pitti! [08:22] Laney, TheMuso uploaded ubuntu-terminal-app per: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1626457 [08:22] Ubuntu bug 1626457 in Ubuntu "[FFE] Ubuntu Terminal App request" [Medium,Triaged] [08:22] but can't find it in proposed. Will it take a while to appear? [08:23] it'll be in the queue [08:23] oki [08:23] and indeed it is [08:23] thanks Laney [08:24] winning [09:25] ah, finally the survey lands in my inbox [09:25] hikiko, you might receive one too now? ^ [09:26] * Sweet5hark sneezes. [09:26] * Sweet5hark caught a cold and is more grumpy than usual. [09:26] uh oh. :) Nobody annoy him. He has access to tanks. [09:27] *squeeksqueeksqueek* [10:14] good morning [10:27] Morning jbicha [10:30] Wi [10:30] Pff [10:31] willcooke: yes I rev [10:31] received it [10:31] hikiko, thx. [10:31] and your reminder too :) thnx [10:31] :) [10:32] happy surveying! [10:32] hi jbicha [10:33] Laney: do you want to do the gobject-introspection update? since it's related to glib2.0 [10:34] jbicha: it's already in progress, just finishing up something else [10:36] thanks, gnome didn't change much with the update but Debian did… [10:55] riddy smoke alarm just went off [10:55] ruddy [10:55] no fire though ... [11:02] erk] [11:05] good job I didn't go to the library today [11:06] #sorryneighbours [11:06] Sweet5hark, hi, how is the feedback on defaulting to the gtk3 backend? [11:06] hey desktopers [11:08] flexiondotorg: 16.04.1 installing now I'll keep an eye on the slider throughout [11:11] ricotz: tab titles are an issue on yakkety, otherwise fine there. backports are more tricky. [11:12] Sweet5hark, I see, I reverted it locally due it is not usable due a huge performance loss :\ [11:13] Sweet5hark, "backports are more tricky"? [11:16] flexiondotorg: slider for scaling is working on 16.04.1 [11:19] ricotz: yeah, thats why we are doing in on LTS+1 -- most other distros already went gtk3 earlier anyway. [11:20] as discussed at the lO conf:upstream really wants to kill gtk2, the only reason it is still around is the ancient baseline for the deb/rpm packages building for download on libreoffice.org. [11:20] [11:23] davmor2, Yes, I tested last night clean install on xps 13. Scale worked. [11:26] https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2016/09/28/merging-communities/ <- just leaving this here (#libreoffice #openoffice) [11:27] Sweet5hark, ok, dropping gtk2 is bad if the gtk3 doesn't provide a nearly equal performance, and currently is seems really bad [11:27] ricotz: patches welcome [11:28] Sweet5hark, or is there a known difference between gtk 3.20 vs 3.22 in that regard? [11:28] I am on 3.22 here [11:29] Sweet5hark, yeah, of course :) [11:29] not that Im aware. But only gtk3 will run on MIR/Wayland. [11:29] ok [11:29] btw, is 5.2.2~rc2 in sight? [11:31] already on libreoffice-staging, but I need to fix the libabw madness. [11:41] Sweet5hark, ah, I see -- regarding libabw building against -proposed works fine [11:42] there are no actions needed on the libreoffice package other than a no-change rebuild to pick it up [11:43] hmm, no ~yakketyX suffix [11:44] willcooke, Laney: did something change for scaling between 16.04.1 and 16.10. I set scaling to 2 upgraded and it was set to 1 again :( [11:47] davmor2, this is due to our new partnership with your optician ... you should finally buy these new glasses [11:48] not that I know of [11:48] ask Trevinho [11:50] Sweet5hark, https://paste.debian.net/plain/843089 [11:50] davmor2: Mh.. No. Nothing changed. There was an idle around for settings that could be unstable though [11:51] jbicha: I don't understand http://launchpadlibrarian.net/287053931/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings_16.10.4_16.10.5.diff.gz -- "stop hiding" sounds like "drop the NoDisplay", not "drop the entire .desktop file"? [11:52] Trevinho: right I'll do an install in vm and see if it happens there too, erm I suppose the setting is stored in dconf right? [11:52] ogra_: if only it was that easy ;) [11:54] pitti: the only reason u-g-default-settings sticks stuff in /usr/share/gnome/applications is to set NoDisplay=true to override unwanted "apps" showing up [11:54] jbicha: ah, that's a higher-prio lookup path? I see [11:54] jbicha: thanks, accepted [11:57] yes, and ubuntu-software uses /usr/share/ubuntu/applications/ [11:58] which is the higher priority directory for Unity (based on the XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP name) [11:58] ricotz: hmmm? that has no changes in control.in, just in control. build time is fine, installing on yakkety has trouble. but its ok, Ill take care of that. [11:58] hmm, where in wiki.ubuntu.com is documented what's needed to edit wiki.ubuntu.com? [11:58] Sweet5hark, in rules [11:59] Sweet5hark, there are no gcc-6.2 packages [11:59] ah, ok. will merge. [12:23] * flexiondotorg seeks out food [12:37] Mirv, i believe one needs to login and be an ubuntu member. [12:37] Mirv, some pages are locked further more, to prevent spam and only subset of users can change those. [12:44] Mirv: it's documented if you click the Help button in the toolbar [12:59] word. [13:00] thank you xnox, jbicha! I was answering to someone who asked me to edit wiki pages that I had edited in the past. [13:03] what up desrt [13:03] coffee [13:04] you? [13:11] Laney: any new mysterious crashes? [13:16] * flexiondotorg returns [13:52] hi ximion [13:53] all good so far [13:59] ximion: what's this business about requiring permissive licenses? [14:02] * andyrock is back [14:04] wb andyrock [14:04] Laney: we compile all the metadata into one big file in the end [14:04] what was the problem? [14:05] Laney: if one metadata piece is GPL licensed, and some other one is CDDL licensed, we will violate one of those license because we actually are not allowed to combine the works [14:06] having a set of allowed permissive licenses for metadata stated explicitly gives legal safety [14:09] ximion: that was a legal opinion? [14:09] How do Debian Packages files get away with it? [14:13] davmor2: yeah, dconf [14:14] Trevinho: yeah got it thanks :) [14:14] Trevinho: just waiting on the upgrade to finish to check it [14:24] willcooke, Regarding #1624022 I have a test build that works. [14:25] So, the question is, should this be back ported to Xenial? [14:25] flexiondotorg, excellent! [14:25] And what about Debian? [14:26] We can certainly try Debian, but not sure if they'd want it or not - worth asking though [14:26] regarding Xenial - let's get it in to Y (if we still can) first and then worry about backports. It should be safe enough, but would like to get feedback from Laney and seb128 [14:27] Laney, regarding #1624022 [14:27] erm [14:27] I've simply create a symlink in debian/rules as part of binary-indep: [14:28] Is taking over such a generic name in a required package a good idea? [14:28] I did wonder. [14:28] I've check for name collisions. [14:28] Can't find any. [14:33] I would talk to anibal first if I were you [14:33] Depends how urgent this is [14:34] I don't think it's super urgent [14:34] Laney: they likely get away withit by nobody caring [14:34] Laney: the request was made by Red Hat people in the very early days of AppStream, and the reasoning is sound [14:35] a bit over-pedantic, maybe, but who knows? better be careful with legal stuff [14:35] is it? [14:35] I don't know if it's real or not [14:35] anyway [14:35] GNOME stuff is using GPL in there [14:35] so... [14:35] haha [14:35] which project is it? [14:36] sec [14:41] Laney, aside from concerns about generic names, can you take a peek at this and let me know if the approach I've taken is suitable please? [14:41] https://pastebin.canonical.com/166610/ [14:44] flexiondotorg: that looks correct (you should use the public pastebin on public IRC, BTW) [14:44] OK, noted. === Na3iL is now known as nzoueidi [14:48] Laney: did you write something while my connection was flaky? [14:51] I don't like sensible-browser; I think most things use mimetypes instead [14:51] Trevinho: so it isn't being reset on virtual machine so might very well be a timing issue [14:53] xdg-open http://www.google.com/ opens Firefox here but sensible-browser http://www.google.com/ opens Epiphany :( [15:05] ximion: https://paste.debian.net/843196/ [15:06] or https://paste.debian.net/843197/ for debian [15:06] jbicha: yeah same here [15:11] I commented on the bug report [15:51] Laney: around? [15:51] (contentless ping alert) [15:56] yes [16:00] Are we gonna have that unity 8 session in 16.10 or Not??? [16:04] that's the plan [16:32] if I do specify gi.require_version('Gtk', '3.0') pyflakes yells at me that i have imports not at the top of the file. [16:32] if i don't specify it, gtk yells at me for not declaring required version number [16:36] I know which one of those I'd pick :-) [16:37] (# nopep8) [16:37] Laney: that weird bug hughsie found I will fix when I'm home [16:37] also, fonts support is almost ready, I just need to make it spec compliant now :P [16:38] and it requires a lot of testing and fonts shipping metainfo files [16:44] ximion: what bug? [16:44] & nice [16:46] Laney: something haveing " as category name [16:48] heh [16:48] willcooke, the system-settings silo dropping urfkill and dbus-property-service has landed for xenial and vivid [16:48] willcooke, in the unapproved queue for yakkety [16:48] kenvandine, awesome, thanks kenvandine [16:49] willcooke, np [17:01] right [17:01] might get a few minutes at the allotment if i'm quick [17:01] laters potaters [17:11] see ya Laney [17:31] night all === dpm is now known as dpm-afk === ayan_ is now known as ayan === ayan is now known as Guest12552