[04:38] <torusJKL> Is it better to flash the downloaded delta OTA files downloaded on my phone than the full files that I can download on my computer?
[04:38] <torusJKL> Or would flashing of either result to the same?
[04:47] <Stanley00> torusJKL: I don't think you can flash delta images?
[04:48] <torusJKL> Stanley00: I mean upgrade an existing OTA-12 with the delta files to the new OTA-13
[04:49] <Stanley00> torusJKL: ah, I see, in case you didn't modify system partition, I would recommend install via OTA (it's smaller and faster)
[04:50] <torusJKL> Stanley00: other than been faster is there a difference if I would flash the full OTA download?
[04:52] <Stanley00> torusJKL: it should be the same, AFAIK
[04:54] <torusJKL> Stanley00: thanks. Do you might to know why after the OTA upgrade my system settings screen stays completely white? No text, no icons.
[04:55] <Stanley00> torusJKL: did you ever re-mount / with write permission?
[04:57] <torusJKL> Stanley00: I did before flashing in the twrp recovery.
[04:58] <Stanley00> torusJKL: oops, I forgot to ask. what is your phone model? nexus 4?
[05:00] <torusJKL> Staley00: I'm using a Meizu Pro5 64GB Chinese model. I installed twrp and flashed OTA-12. I don't have any problems on OTA-12 and am now trying to upgrade to OTA-13.
[05:00] <torusJKL> Stanley00: sorry wrote your nick wrong.
[05:00] <Stanley00> torusJKL: np :)
[05:01] <Stanley00> torusJKL: hmm, I think ubuntu touch need its recovery to install OTA, in this case, you have change its recovery with twrp, right?
[05:02] <Stanley00> torusJKL: if you want to use twrp, I think you have to flash full image then.
[05:03] <torusJKL_> Stanley00: I got 1 error while upgrading: tar: can't remove old file system/usr/share/doc/libtelepathy-qt5-0: Is a directory
[05:04] <Stanley00> torusJKL_: I think you should try with full image. I got to go now.
[05:05] <torusJKL_> Stanley00: I'll try it. Thanks for your time.
[05:07] <RLShiftyDoggit> hey guys im trying to port ubuntu touch and im running into a problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/23245521/
[05:09] <RLShiftyDoggit> ive tried cloning CM's dev tree and all that so what should i do
[05:15] <torusJKL> RLShiftyDoggit: I'm absolutely new to this. Could it be that the file you are looking for has a different name? What are you trying to find in build/core/product_config.mk:234 ?
[05:43] <Muhriddin> hi there , can i install ubuntu touch on lg G4
[05:44] <Muhriddin>  /UNIGNORE aavit
[05:45] <torusJKL> Muhriddin: Here is a list with the supported devices: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[08:17] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: hi! could you please test bug #1618590 with the alternative third patch from https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2015 (yakkety amd64 should be available now already)? it would be a better fix than the one in other silo.
[08:18] <cc> Mirv: do you know mrvi?
[08:19] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: amd64 still building for xenial
[08:19] <marcustomlinson> I'm on xenial+overlay
[08:19] <marcustomlinson> I'll try it out when it's ready
[08:19] <Mirv> cc: no :)
[08:19] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: oh, ok, yes let's wait for that (which might take some time since there was a flaky test so it's rebuilding)
[08:20] <Mirv> probably 2h still before the PPA offers it for upgrade
[08:27] <matv1> gd morning. I have been having download speeds on my BqM10 slow down to an absolute crawl lately
[08:28] <matv1> I am on rc-proposed. But i have the same channel run on my N4 which flies likethe wind
[08:29] <matv1> I have been doing speedtests all morning but it looks like the Bq tablet is unique in having this issue
[08:30] <matv1> what can I do to investigate deeper?
[08:32] <matv1> oh fwiw only download speed is bad. upload is as good as on any other device. Ut or other
[08:34] <popey> how are you testing?
[08:35] <matv1> popey a reliable online speedtest site. on the same wifi network. Even assuring i am always using the same ap.
[08:35] <popey> I would test using wget from another machine on the lan
[08:35] <matv1> as said on both n4, bqm10 and a windows laptop
[08:36] <matv1> popey I will try that too
[08:48] <Mirv> maybe running ping 8.8.8.8 in terminal for a while to see if packets are being dropped
[09:01] <popey> matv1: I can do some testing here too, I have numerous devices, and can compare like with like on them to see if my m10 is as bad as yours.
[09:05] <matv1> popey hang on I am momentarily plagued by actual work :) will be back on this in 20 mins hopefully
[09:06] <popey> matv1: np, I will do some tests and let you know what I find
[09:06] <matv1> popey thnks
[09:35] <matv1> popey Mirv back
[09:37] <matv1> Mirv ping doesnt drop any packages and seems to return fine
[09:38] <popey> gonna test mine once I get it on the wifi :)
[09:38] <matv1> popey wget gives me the same result. extremely slow on the M10, blazing fast on the N4
[09:39] <matv1> popey much appreciated. Anything else I can do, that you can think of ?
[09:39] <Nirgal> Hi there. Does anyone know a way to record a video while telephoning? "Camera" application goes to pause as soon as you put another scope on...
[09:40] <popey> lemme test first
[09:40] <matv1> sure
[09:40] <duflu> Assuming it used to work you should bisect the problem with 'ubuntu-device-flash --revision=N ...'
[09:40] <duflu> Although that's only really useful on an unstable channel, not stable
[09:41] <popey> matv1: 2.4ghz wifi or 5ghz?
[09:42] <torusJKL> Hi. When I format system and flash a fresh OTA-13 on my Pro 5 (64GB) it works well.
[09:42] <torusJKL> But when I leave OTA-12 and flash OTA-13 over it I can't use the system settings naymore.
[09:42] <torusJKL> It stays blank.
[09:42] <popey> jgdx: ^ one for you maybe?
[09:43] <torusJKL> Any idea how I could get on the bottom of this?
[09:43] <matv1> popey not sure what I am on now. It should do both. How can I tell on ut
[09:43] <torusJKL> Or is there a way to restore my data (sms, apps etc.) from the OTA-12 to OTA-13?
[09:49] <popey> matv1: ..
[09:49] <popey> bq 4.5 2.4GHz rc-proposed 3.5-4MB/s
[09:49] <popey> meizu pro 5 5GHz rc-proposed ~5MB/s
[09:49] <popey> bq m10 5GHz rc-proposed ~5MB/s
[09:50] <popey> I see no diff between bq m10 and my pro 5 or bq e4.5
[09:50] <popey> that's wgetting an iso from another machine on the lan
[09:50] <matv1> popey right that all looks good to me
[09:51] <matv1> is it possible to force the M10 to 2.4Ghz on your side ?
[09:51] <matv1> just to see
[09:52] <popey> yes
[09:52] <popey> one mo
[09:53] <popey> matv1: 4.5MB/s on 2GHz
[09:53] <matv1> popey right good for you. not for me :)
[09:53] <popey> heh, sorry
[09:53] <popey> knock down any walls between you and the AP? :)
[09:53] <matv1> how can i tell if i am using 2.4 or 5 ghz ?
[09:54] <matv1> popey the AP is exactly over my head actualy
[09:54] <popey> iwconfig
[09:54] <popey> first line next to wlan0 will show it
[09:55] <matv1> oh that still works haha. I am always using desktop commands that dont work in the ut terminal that I am assuming nothing does :D
[09:55] <popey> :)
[09:58] <matv1> popey I am on 2.4
[09:58] <matv1> How did you force the switch to 5 ?
[09:58] <popey> i have two access points
[09:59] <matv1> oh
[09:59] <popey> and the frequency is in the name
[09:59] <matv1> I see
[09:59] <duflu> matv1: Your modem/router should let you name the two frequencies differently
[09:59] <duflu> Erm, two bands
[10:00] <matv1> duflu i am in an enterprise network
[10:03] <popey> how slow is slow?
[10:03] <popey> and are you on rc-proposed or stable ota?
[10:05] <matv1> i am on rc-proposed on both the N4 and the M10
[10:05] <matv1> slow is about 10 k/s on the M10
[10:05] <popey> ouch
[10:05] <matv1> tops
[10:05] <popey> I'm just on a domestic wifi, be interested to see if you get same on a cafe network or home wifi
[10:07] <matv1> popey yeah I was planning to do that. But that really is irrelevant as the N4 does the same with speeds approaching 4M/s
[10:07] <matv1> the same wget i mean
[10:07] <popey> well, it could at least focus attention
[10:08] <popey> if the m10 is fast on home wifi, then we need to see what's odd about your work wifi
[10:13] <matv1> popey hmmm loking closer I see some differences in iwconfig that are odd
[10:15] <matv1> I am in a school where I work. We use eduroam. The N4 shows an ESSID as ´eduroam´ but the M10 doesnt
[10:16] <matv1> allthough the wifi connection on both does show eduroam. And i have no other network in this area enabled
[10:17] <matv1> also the accesspoint id is the same for both
[10:17] <matv1> it looks to me like peap/mschapv2 isnt playing nice with lower level nw stack :/
[10:19] <matv1> i will try and lure an it person around into my problem on this side.
[10:19] <matv1> they might be able to see what the AP is actualy doing different when I connect
[10:20] <matv1> popey duflu Mirv thanks very much for thinking with me. TBC..
[10:23] <popey> np
[10:34] <jgdx> torusJKL, hey, still around?
[10:34] <matv1> popey I am back. seems I had flash of enlightenment
[10:35]  * popey braces for impact
[10:35] <matv1> nothing to do with Ap´s :D
[10:35] <matv1> bluetooth was running on the M10. and wasnt on the N4
[10:35] <jgdx> popey, will take a look, thanks!
[10:35] <matv1> thats the entire cause
[10:35] <popey> thanks jgdx
[10:35] <popey> waaaat
[10:36] <popey> blewtooth causes wifi to slow?
[10:36] <popey> that's pretty crappy
[10:36] <matv1> popey i suddenly remember that it was on here or else the mailing list that someone mentioned something similar
[10:36] <matv1> no bells are ringing on your side?
[10:38] <matv1> the only difference, it occured to me that I was running in desktop mode on the M10 so bt was running and active
[10:39] <popey> lemme test
[10:39] <matv1> I am sure it was in the mail archive I saw this pass. I am diving in to find
[10:40] <popey> bluetooth is on here, but not associated with anything
[10:41] <popey> ooh, bingo
[10:41] <popey> 33K/s
[10:41] <popey> while the bluetooth radio is trying to associate with the telly, wifi bandwidth drops through the floor
[10:42] <popey> once it stopped trying, wifi sped up again
[10:46] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: xenial is now ready too
[10:46] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: cool, will give it a go
[10:46] <torusJKL> jgdx: I'm here.
[10:46] <matv1> popey haa!
[10:47] <matv1> popey now what ?
[10:47] <popey> file a bug
[10:49] <matv1> popey against what?
[10:52] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image
[10:52] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: yeah, looks good. no crash
[10:52] <matv1> popey will do
[10:53] <ogra_> things
[10:54] <popey> matv1: lemme know the bug number and I'll confirm
[10:54] <matv1> sure. this is indeed pretty awfull. gimme a minute
[10:55] <matv1> ogra_ also seems to have gone to another level of enlightenment :)
[10:55] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: wow, that's excellent news! I'll (or you can) +1 the codereview of that commit and shall begin landing of this qtbase instead of the previous one.
[10:55] <ogra_> haha
[10:56] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: link to the commit?
[10:57] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/172173/
[10:58] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: oh I dont have my account set up to do that
[10:58] <matv1> popey did you by any chance check if your other devices have the same problem when pairing a bt device?
[10:59] <matv1> I didnt yet
[10:59] <popey> no
[10:59] <matv1> ok i will check that first
[11:00] <popey> matv1: doesn't appear to happen on the pro 5
[11:01] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: ok
[11:01] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: trying to fix it :/ My name is "Anonymous User" apparently
[11:03] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: they've had the unified login for some time, but I forget what was the best top page to try enabling all of it :) https://bugreports.qt.io/ etc
[11:03] <jamesh> mardy: ping: Could I pick your brain about an online-accounts issue I'm seeing?
[11:03] <mardy> jamesh: sure
[11:03] <popey> matv1: yes, it happens (but not so pronounced I think) on the bq e4.5
[11:04] <popey> matv1: no, it is as pronounced, 30Kb/s
[11:04] <jamesh> mardy: so I'm trying to get some code working with account-plugin-owncloud
[11:04] <matv1> popey also on the N4. it absolutely kills the wifi :O
[11:04] <jamesh> mardy: I can see the account through online-accounts-api, but can't get the username or password
[11:05] <mardy> jamesh: can you start a dbus-monitor and see what happens while you try to authenticate?
[11:06] <jamesh> mardy: I poked around manually using d-feet, and it looks like Authenticate() is returning keys "UserName" and "Secret", while the client library wants "Username" and "Password"
[11:06] <mardy> jamesh: ouch, lemme check
[11:06] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: ok, approved
[11:07] <marcustomlinson> or at least acked
[11:07] <jamesh> the entire response from the Authenticate() method call was {'Secret': 'jamesh', 'UserName': 'james'}
[11:07] <matv1> popey oh wait. someone already found it before us
[11:07] <matv1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1598584
[11:07] <jamesh> where those values were the user name and password I'd set
[11:07] <mardy> jamesh: the client is correct, can you please file a bug?
[11:08] <jamesh> mardy: against account-plugins?
[11:08] <mardy> jamesh: no, against online-accounts-api
[11:08] <matv1> oh my in early july that was :O
[11:08] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: thanks, I +1:d too.
[11:09] <matv1> popey last comment from pmcgowan says milestone:13 --> backlog
[11:09] <matv1> what does that mean?
[11:10] <jgdx> torusJKL, I added a comment on your askubuntu q
[11:10] <popey> matv1: means it's not fixed yet, and is in the queue with all the others
[11:10]  * popey me-toos it
[11:11]  * matv1 does the same
[11:11] <torusJKL> jgdx: cool, thanks.
[11:13] <torusJKL> jgdx: When should I take the log, just after opening the systems window?
[11:13] <popey> matv1: maybe poke pmcgowan when he wakes in a couple of hours, and ask if it can be re-prioritised, it's his call
[11:14] <matv1> popey Isnt he irish?
[11:14] <matv1> popey nm
[11:15] <jamesh> mardy: filed as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/online-accounts-api/+bug/1628473 -- do you need any more information?
[11:15] <matv1> will do
[11:16] <popey> matv1: he's US based
[11:17] <matv1> right
[11:18] <matv1> I was afraid that came across as an irish joke, which it wasnt
[11:18] <popey> :D
[11:18] <popey> I'm sure Pat does a mean Oirish accent if pushed :)
[11:19] <matv1> popey I will do that too. see if he can do an entire ubuntu-on-air show like that
[11:19] <popey> haha
[11:20] <jamesh> mardy: also, as a short term work-around, would it make sense to manually check for the UserName/Secret keys in PasswordReply::data()?
[11:21] <jamesh> mardy: or should those keys just never exist?
[11:22] <jgdx> torusJKL, that works
[11:38] <mardy> jamesh: the fix is to modify src/lib/OnlineAccountsDaemon/authenticator.cpp, and alter the dictionary in AuthenticatorPrivate::onAuthSessionResponse()
[11:38] <mardy> jamesh: I'll create a branch soon
[11:40] <jamesh> mardy: okay, cool.
[12:09] <ogra_> snaps !
[12:09] <ogra_> (in my applications scope on u8 desktop)
[12:31] <matv1> ogra_ \o/
[12:59] <dobey> ogra_: you're welcome
[12:59]  * ogra_ hugs dobey 
[12:59] <ogra_> now Mir just needs to behave :)
[13:29] <jgdx> torusJKL, try again, the comment is blank besides "here's the log"
[13:29] <jgdx> torusJKL, no reason why you shouldn't add it to the question body
[13:34] <matv1> pmcgowan ping
[13:34] <torusJKL> jgdx: ok I will change it.
[13:34] <mterry> tedg: for bug 1617067, still need a bug subscriber from our list ideally.  What about ~unity-api-team?  Or ~phablet-team?
[13:34] <tedg> mterry: I think I subscribed indicator-applet-developers
[13:35] <mterry> tedg: yeah but that's not a team on our list of package subscribers we watch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk/view/head:/package-subscribers#L107
[13:36] <mterry> tedg: if you use indicator-applet-developers a lot, maybe we can add it?  But other indicators seem to use dx-packages for that purpose
[13:36] <tedg> mterry: Oh, I honestly don't know which teams are really used today :-/
[13:36] <tedg> mterry: We do use it for all our branches
[13:36] <tedg> mterry: Happy to use dx-packages (or whatever)
[13:37] <mterry> tedg: just for quickness, if you can sub something from the list, good.  If you prefer to use indicator-applet-devs in future, maybe submit an MP against ubuntu-archive-tools to add it
[13:38]  * tedg is cross referencing the list if teams he can subscribe to those in the branch
[13:39] <mterry> heh
[13:40] <jgdx> torusJKL, how do you run system settings? Have you modified your system in any way? Used apt e.g?
[13:40] <popey> jgdx: note it's a 64GB device, so not one of the original devices, if that matters
[13:41] <popey> AIUI
[13:41] <torusJKL> jgdx: I installed from the default app store and from Open Store.
[13:42] <torusJKL> Could the later have done changes in the system?
[13:44] <tedg> mterry: It looks like unity-api-team is the best match. Done.
[13:44] <jgdx> torusJKL, is System Settings the only “blank” app?
[13:44] <jgdx> popey, okay, interesting
[13:44] <mterry> tedg: oh nice, they might make sense for unity-greeter-session-broadcast too?
[13:45] <tedg> mterry: done
[13:45] <mterry> tedg: thx!
[13:46] <dobey> tedg, mterry: just make it unity-api-team yeah
[13:47] <torusJKL> jgdx: as far as I can tell, yes. It is the only blank app. I think the font in Popey's Dont Crash app looks different.
[13:47] <jgdx> torusJKL, that error message implies that an import path (set by System Settings) is not correct, or that the SystemSettings qml module isn't installed. Both are highly unlikely.
[13:47] <popey> torusJKL: interesting!
[13:48] <torusJKL> jgdx: I have used UT Tweak Tool to change the favourite apps in the launcher.
[13:48] <jgdx> torusJKL, what else :P Does /usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/SystemSettings/ListItems/qmldir exist?
[13:49] <pmcgowan> matv1, hey
[13:50] <torusJKL> jgdx: yes, it does.
[13:51] <mterry> tedg: also platform-api please
[13:51] <dobey> is it empty/corrupt/etc?
[13:51] <tedg> mterry: That should be phablet-team ?
[13:52] <tedg> mterry: Too late, done :-)
[13:52] <popey> torusJKL: the font is a web font i think which is interesting, do you have network access on the device
[13:52] <popey> ?
[13:52] <jgdx> torusJKL, is the root disk full or does it have sufficiently free space?
[13:52] <torusJKL> jgdx: I take it back.
[13:52] <mterry> tedg: :)
[13:52] <torusJKL> I didn't check the ListItem directory
[13:53] <torusJKL> It does not exist.
[13:54] <torusJKL> popey: No, I have set it to airplane mode while I'm on OTA-13.
[13:54] <jgdx> there's your problem
[13:54] <torusJKL> jddx: what could have caused this?
[13:55] <popey> torusJKL: yeah that would do it
[13:55] <popey> \o/ team!
[13:56] <torusJKL> jgdx: could the tar error message while flashing have something to do with the missing ListItem directory?
[13:56] <jgdx> torusJKL, i don't know what that message was
[13:56] <torusJKL> Can I just push the files using adb to fix the issue?
[13:57] <torusJKL> while being in recovery mode.
[13:58] <jgdx> torusJKL, without knowing exactly what files you need, I don't think that's going to work
[13:58] <matv1> pmcgowan hi gd morning. I spent a good part of this morning tracking down very slow wifi coonections to what turned out to be this:
[13:58] <matv1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1598584
[13:59] <matv1> pmcgowan together with popey we also discovered that the M10 is not the only device affected. see my comment.
[13:59] <matv1> In my case when using bt, network speeds dropped to about 10k/s where without an active bt device connected this was 4M/s. That is a pretty awfull drop.
[13:59] <jgdx> torusJKL, you could reinstall system settings, but then you're modifying your system and that can cause more troubles
[13:59] <pmcgowan> matv1, which other devices
[13:59] <matv1> It seems like a  huge bug to me if bt is able to take down wifi connections like this.
[14:00] <popey> pmcgowan: m10 and e4.5
[14:00] <torusJKL> jgdx: can I use the ListItems directory from the backup I took before upgrading to OTA-13?
[14:00] <matv1> as far as we know popeys bq 4.5 and my N4
[14:00] <matv1> pmcgowan anyway popey seemed to think that you might be willing to re-prioritize this one if I brought it to your attention.
[14:00] <pmcgowan> matv1, noted
[14:00] <popey> thanks
[14:01] <matv1> pmcgowan awsum thanks
[14:01] <pmcgowan> its proaby good that its not justthe ,10 in terms of finding a fix
[14:01] <pmcgowan> M10
[14:01] <matv1> right although popey didnt see anything bad happen to his Meizu Pro 5 I believe
[14:02] <jgdx> torusJKL, it's up to you to try, I really don't know. Sorry
[14:02] <torusJKL> jgdx: ok. I will try. Thanks for your time!
[14:02] <popey> yeah, i had difficulty reproducing on the pro 5, but that may be because I have limited bluetooth devices around here
[14:03] <popey> so can't be sure
[14:03] <jgdx> torusJKL, np. Good luck
[14:08] <dobey> well the pro5 is a totally different chipset
[14:08] <dobey> the bt/wifi interference seems to be an inherent "feature" of the MTK chips
[14:10] <matv1> dobey hmm there is no MTK in the Nexus4 afaik
[14:11] <matv1> also putting it purely down to that would mean the android versions of said devices would be affected in the same way
[14:11] <dobey> matv1: oh true. missed that. thought this was m10/e4.5/mx4
[14:31] <torusJKL> jgdx: This folder doesn't exist on my OTA-12 either.
[14:31] <torusJKL> But the settings open and seem to work fine.
[14:33] <jgdx> torusJKL, IIRC it was introduced by OTA13
[14:53] <miumiu> hi every body, I try install phablet-tools but see virtual package dependencies repo not install
[15:33] <pmcgowan> popey, that BT interference issue, was it always when using 2.4GHz wifi ap?
[15:35] <popey> pmcgowan: the m10 and 4.5 only have 2.4Ghz I believe
[15:35] <popey> i can re-test when I get home and actually have bt devices handy
[15:37] <pmcgowan> popey, ok I am assuming so
[15:37] <pmcgowan> was reported on arale too but without that noted
[15:43] <MCMic> Is there any possibility of visioconference using webrtc on ubuntu touch?
[15:48] <MCMic> It seems there is appear.in in the store as a webapp, but appear.in seems to be non-free :-/. jitsi meet does not seem to work from the browser
[17:28] <iAskYou> hi
[17:30] <iAskYou> i wan to get ubuntu-touch for galaxy ace - i know thats old, but my question is is that possible? and when how?
[17:38] <OerHeks> iAskYou, see if you can port it yourself ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[21:27] <RLShiftyDoggit> can someone help me with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/23248423/
[21:53] <aquarius_> jdstrand: much love for you for fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-reviewers-tools/+bug/1591253. Cheers :)
[21:54] <jdstrand> aquarius_: yw
[21:54] <jdstrand> aquarius_: truth be told, it'll help me a bit too since I get pinged on reviews :)
[21:54] <aquarius_> jdstrand: I saw you set it to wishlist and I was all, grrr, it's really important! and then you fixed it. So, apologies for the unjust accusation there :-)
[21:55] <jdstrand> aquarius_: if you grrr'd publicly, I didn't see it. if only privately, well... <whistle>
[21:55] <aquarius_> I'm not churlish enough to complain publicly :)
[21:56] <aquarius_> but that will help, 'cos it totally baffled a chap on the telegram chat. And me, when I tracked it down :)
[21:56] <aquarius_> anyway, cheers, pint for you next time we're in the same place
[21:56] <jdstrand> sounds good! :)
[23:51] <bumblehead> hy would anyone tell me if this phone on amazon would work with ubuntu touch?
[23:51] <bumblehead> https://www.amazon.com/Original-Meizu-1920x1080-21-16MP-3050mAh/dp/B0179DCHRO
[23:52] <bumblehead> I've been waiting for a new ubuntu touch phone but haven't seen any news about a new phone
[23:53] <bumblehead> so would like to know 1) is this the best ubuntu touch phone available? 2) is it possible that a newer phone might come out in the next two to three months?
[23:55] <bumblehead> also... this phone says it is the 'chinese' model and not the 'international' model
[23:55] <bumblehead> is that meaningful as far as installing ubuntu touch goes?
[23:56] <k1l_> i dont know if the chinese one got a open bootloader. there was something but i cant recall it correctly