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[07:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:52] <yossarianuk> nvidia-prime urgently needs improving....
[08:52] <yossarianuk> if I didn't know what I was doing just know I would have had an unbootable laptop
[08:54] <yossarianuk> I switched to intel, rebooting - just had black screen, the fan went full power, a flashing character in corner of screen - unable to do anything, i.e cannot go to a tty
[08:55] <yossarianuk> the 'fix' was to go to rescue mode (in grub) - even that broke - i.e I got the rescue menu, but then after dropping to shell and 'mount -o rw,remount /' the menu semi loaded again and I couldn't see my text
[08:55] <yossarianuk> then (without being able to see) type apt-get remove nvidia-367 nvidia-prime
[08:56] <yossarianuk> it then loaded in the nouveau drivers which on my laptop are unstable (it will only boot once in about 20 times when using nouveau)
[08:56] <yossarianuk> manged randomly to boot up, then I could reinstall nvidia drivers - it is now fine.
[08:57] <yossarianuk> but a new user (at work) would have potentially lost a day sorting this.
[08:58] <yossarianuk> so my laptop model has issues with nouveau with ubuntu 16.04 (ts really unstable to the pointthat it wwon;t boot most of the time)
[08:58] <yossarianuk> however other distros (later kernels are fine)
[08:59] <yossarianuk> once I install nvidia driver its fine, usually switching to intel is also...
[08:59] <yossarianuk> there has to be a better way than this though as if it goes wrong (like it did) it means an unbootable system that you cannot do anything in (no tty)
[09:01] <yossarianuk> They way it went wrong was similar to when windows goes wrong (i.e black scree, you can do nothing)
[09:01] <yossarianuk> (obviously far easier to fix than windows ..)
[09:02]  * lordievader is glad he rarely has any problems with his AMD card on Gentoo
[09:03] <yossarianuk> lordievader: I think one main issue is the fact the kernel that ubuntu 16.04 has doesn;t fully support components in my laptop...
[09:03] <hateball> yossarianuk: have you tried nvidia-370? it has some hybrid gpu fixes iirc
[09:03] <yossarianuk> in the nouveau driver
[09:04] <yossarianuk> hateball: when i reinstalled I did use the 370 drivers
[09:04] <yossarianuk> however it had worked fine previous (switching)
[09:05] <yossarianuk> its just the fact that switching is actually very risky....
[09:05] <yossarianuk> I'll test though on 370
[09:09] <yossarianuk> My main point was that a new user would probably be reinstalling the OS or giving up and going back to windows..
[09:10] <hateball> Yeah well, blame hybrid gpus / nvidia
[09:10] <yossarianuk> sure - I am on the verge of buying a new GPU and deciding between nvidia 1060 and amd 480...
[09:11] <yossarianuk> seriously think about the AMD GPU, even though performance in some benchmarks show it being about 60% slower
[09:12] <yossarianuk> Does AMD as present (free or non-free) have Wayland support ?
[09:12] <hateball> If you intend to play games, then I think you will be in pain for a good while longer still if you go the AMD route
[09:12] <yossarianuk> or is it just intel for now?
[09:13] <hateball> I think amdgpu works with wayland
[09:13] <yossarianuk> I do play the odd game..Maybe 1060 will be my last nvidia GPU...
[09:13] <yossarianuk> cheers
[09:13] <yossarianuk> thats another reason to get AMD...
[09:13] <hateball> and nouveau does wayland
[09:14] <hateball> nvidia has implemented some weird support for wayland in the blob, but...
[09:14] <hateball> yossarianuk: a nice read https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2016/09/to-eglstream-or-not/
[09:14] <yossarianuk> hateball: I'll avoid nouveau like the plague for now, its about 80% slower... And in my laptop it means not being able to boot about 90% of the time.
[09:15] <hateball> yep
[09:15] <hateball> at any rate, wayland isnt really ready for production anyway...
[09:15] <hateball> (imo)
[09:15] <acheronuk> nouveau works here, bug dog slow
[09:15] <acheronuk> *but
[09:16] <yossarianuk> acheronuk: it works fine on my desktop (450 gts) - but my laptop (hybrid 960M/intel) it means barely being able to boot (its random)
[09:16] <yossarianuk> i mean nouveau
[09:16] <yossarianuk> its likely hybrid gpu related
[09:17] <acheronuk> yossarianuk: yeah. I just noticed on reading up. I run away fast when I see a hybrid GPU/graphics
[09:18] <yossarianuk> as long as the nvidia (non-free) driver is installed and I leave it in nvidia mode everything is fine...
[09:19] <yossarianuk> however getting to the point of being able to install nvidia is hard - installing from .iso can take a whie (due to the fact that until you have nvidia it uses nouveau which means a system that doesn't boot most of the time)
[09:20] <yossarianuk> so installing takes perseverance
[09:21] <yossarianuk> its also possible 16.10 may be ok but to newer kernel/nouveau
[09:22] <yossarianuk> bumblebee sounds less risky - i.e only use decrete gpu on an app.. (less likely to get unbootable desktop) - anyone know why prime method is used and not bumblebee dy default ?
[09:22] <hateball> I think bumblebee is deprecated
[09:23] <hateball> for... some reasons
[09:23] <hateball> much like hybrid (non-muxless) gpus should be outlawed
[09:25] <yossarianuk> have you all seen this systemd bug (its fairly bad)
[09:25] <yossarianuk> https://www.agwa.name/blog/post/how_to_crash_systemd_in_one_tweet
[09:26] <yossarianuk> i.e this crashes systemd in ubuntu in about 30 secs (so no one could login, it essentially dos's your pc) - while true; do NOTIFY_SOCKET=/run/systemd/notify systemd-notify ""; done
[09:27] <yossarianuk> as a non-root user
[09:59] <yossarianuk> looks like systemd fix is out now -> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3094-1/
[12:05] <user|18352> Hello, where i will find the drivers for my latop ?
[12:09] <rodolfojcj> user|18352: hello. What laptop is it? When I installed the operating system with Kubuntu, being online, the hardware detection and drivers installation was automatic
[13:08] <yossarianuk> user|18352: mainly pre-installed in the kernel
[13:09] <yossarianuk> usually you only need to install GPU drivers,  and very occasionally a wlan dfriver
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:40] <Smurphy> hia\
[13:58] <x_> hallo
[13:58] <x_> peoples
[13:59] <x_> =D
[13:59] <x_> Kubuntuerz
[13:59] <BluesKaj> hi x_
[14:52] <ChetManly> I need help trying to file a bug report for DEVICE MONITOR from the system tray
[14:57] <BluesKaj> what abug?
[14:58] <inferno__> всем привет
[14:58] <inferno__> русские есть ?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> ChetManly, to what kind of behaviour are you referring ?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> !ru | inferno__
[14:59] <ChetManly> BluesKaj:  your on ubuntu as well it on there
[14:59] <ChetManly> the channel I mean
[15:00] <BluesKaj> are you running kubuntu or ubuntu, ChetManly?
[15:00] <ChetManly> ku
[15:01] <BluesKaj> so you mean Ksysguard?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> device monitor in system tray , ok got it , ChetManly
[15:04] <ChetManly> yes
[15:04] <BluesKaj> device notifier actually
[15:04] <ChetManly> grrrr
[15:04] <ChetManly> yes
[15:05] <ChetManly> terrible names lol
[15:05] <ChetManly> someone from #kde told me monitor
[15:06] <ChetManly> its a really bad bug thou
[15:06] <BluesKaj> do you have automount enabled in system settings>removable devices?
[15:07] <ChetManly> youre in kde too you can see the explanation
[15:07] <BluesKaj> i haven't seen any problems with my other drives
[15:08] <BluesKaj> I saw your expalanation , i just haven't seen the same problem
[15:08] <BluesKaj> on my system
[15:09] <ChetManly> I have a shared dual boot ntfs drive that I shared files between windows and kubuntu and when plug my phone in and use device notifier it mixes up the files between the phone and the nfts drive
[15:10] <ChetManly> like very bad
[15:10] <ChetManly> if I unplug the ntfs drive or just use MS windows the problem does not exist
[15:10] <BluesKaj> ChetManly,, try kdeconnect instead
[15:11] <ChetManly> when I buy a better bluetooth I will
[15:11] <BluesKaj> no bluetooth needed
[15:11] <ChetManly> I do not care to use wifi
[15:12] <BluesKaj> just widi thru the phone to the router
[15:12] <BluesKaj> wifi
[15:13] <ChetManly> its weird thou because dolphin called by itself does not make the issue appear
[15:19] <BluesKaj> unmount the ntfs when using linux and vice versa
[15:21] <ChetManly> ....
[15:22] <ChetManly> I need to figure out how to take parts of older and new kde and plop them into my current
[15:23] <BluesKaj> i transferred 5.6GB of photos from my laptop to my phone via usb a few days ago and there were no mix ups
[15:24] <ChetManly> wonder if I can just reformat the drive and it wouldnt happen
[15:24] <ChetManly> I was thinking about fat32 aswell
[15:25] <BluesKaj> don't see the point in that
[15:25] <ChetManly> why
[15:26] <BluesKaj> it's not relevant
[15:28] <ChetManly> what fat??
[18:05] <KubuntuNoob> Hey Guys, I have a question. I have a Qt program wich i start with the Terminal. Is there a way to start it without the terminal? :)
[18:07] <KubuntuNoob> Does anyone know how i can start a Qt-program?
[18:16] <genii> KubuntuNoob: Rightclick on K-menu, "Edit Applications", navigate to where you'd like it to appear, then "New Item" , give it a name.Then on the right side put app path/name in box labelled "Command"
[18:16] <genii> ...and gone..
[18:36] <soee> genii: gone ?
[18:36] <soee> did you saved changes ?
[18:36] <genii> soee: KubuntuNoob, they left before I finished explaining how to add their program to the menu
[18:38] <soee> ah :D
[19:56] <soverx> Приветвсем =)
[19:56] <soverx> hi all =)
[19:56] <soverx> :)
[19:58] <soverx> ꝏꝏꝎꝎꜴꜴꜴ
[20:11] <TheBluestJay> hello?
[20:12] <Simonious> You are not alone.
[20:12] <TheBluestJay> Oh hi! lol
[20:12] <Simonious> o/
[20:13] <TheBluestJay> So I'm new to kubuntu and I have little idea of how to get help.
[20:13] <Simonious> I'm no expert, I'm limping along on a problem right now myself
[20:13] <Simonious> lots of googling
[20:13] <Simonious> trying, failing, trying again
[20:13] <Simonious> you know.. the usual road to success
[20:13] <TheBluestJay> Yep... -.-"
[20:14] <Simonious> What are you looking for the 'easy button' on?
[20:14] <TheBluestJay> No. lol
[20:14] <TheBluestJay> Hello faLUCE
[20:15] <faLUCE> hello TheBluestJay
[20:15] <TheBluestJay> Soooo, this is were you get support on Kubuntu right?
[20:16] <Simonious> well, if you luck out, yes - otherwise lots of googling
[20:17] <TheBluestJay> Ahhh. I see. What's your computer problem Simonious?
[20:17] <TheBluestJay> I mean computer problem. lol
[20:17] <Simonious> I've got ubuntu on a beaglebone and it's not bringing up the wlan, though I can see the wlan usb dongle
[20:18] <TheBluestJay> Huh, felt like I've had a similar problem... brb...
[20:19] <TheBluestJay> Err... nevermind. I was thinking of something else. Heh...
[20:20] <valorie> Simonious: I suggest asking in #ubuntu because it's a bigger channel, and that doesn't sound like a kubuntu issue
[20:21] <Simonious> valorie: I wasn't asking :) Just answering TheBluestJay ;)
[20:21] <valorie> sorry about that
[20:22] <valorie> google found this: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/9KCIs7yqsa8
[20:22] <Simonious> no need to be sorry, thanks for your suggestion
[20:22] <Simonious> I'll check it out
[20:24] <TheBluestJay> My problem isn't nearly as complicated as beaglebone. It's a bluetooth problem. Im using Kubuntu 16.04 trying to connect a wiimote device. But for some reason the bluetooth manager isn't picking up anything.
[20:24] <TheBluestJay> I've installed xwiimote but still nothing. -.-"
[20:26] <valorie> does it suggest pairing on one end or the other?
[20:27] <TheBluestJay> Nope.
[20:27] <valorie> so they are ignoring one another
[20:27] <valorie> I wonder if it can be a channel issue?
[20:27] <TheBluestJay> Pretty much.
[20:28] <valorie> bluetooth in general Just Works
[20:28] <valorie> !bluetooth
[20:28] <valorie> you might go through that step by step and see if anything is missing
[20:28] <TheBluestJay> OK, ubottu and valorie.
[20:28] <valorie> could be a software switch is off somewhere too
[20:28] <valorie> heh, ubottu is our faithful bot
[20:29] <TheBluestJay> lol! derp
[20:30] <TheBluestJay> hold on a sec valorie...
[20:32] <TheBluestJay> I have BlueZ 5.37, Latest version of xWiimote, bluetooth is enabled using Kubuntus default bluetooth manager...
[20:32] <valorie> I have no expertise
[20:33] <valorie> like I said, it Just Works
[20:33] <TheBluestJay> Mkay, understood. I appreciate your help though. ^-^
[20:35] <TheBluestJay> So why are you here Valorie?
[20:36] <TheBluestJay> Yello somekool.
[20:38] <valorie> why am I here?
[20:38] <valorie> it's a help chan, and I help out where I can
[20:39] <valorie> same as anybody
[20:39] <TheBluestJay> Valorie: like do you require computer assistance or are you here to help out.
[20:39] <TheBluestJay> That's what I meant.
[20:39] <somekool> Yellow Yellow TheBluestJay
[20:40] <valorie> ah, I ask for help sometimes as well
[20:40] <valorie> however, I've been running linux since 2001
[20:40] <valorie> and kubuntu for a long, long time
[20:40] <TheBluestJay> @valorie: oh ok. Coolio.
[20:41] <valorie> and yourself?
[20:41] <TheBluestJay> I've discovered linux about last year and fell in love with it. My first linux system was Elementary OS.
[20:42] <TheBluestJay> Then I discoverd Ubuntu then Kubuntu and never looked back.
[20:42] <valorie> very nice
[20:43] <TheBluestJay> So when I bought my Dell XPS 15 I immediately installed Kubuntu. Kinda hate Windows now. lol
[20:44] <Simonious> yeah, but hard to run solidworks and sketchup w/o windows
[20:44] <valorie> make a Win VM?
[20:45] <TheBluestJay> Solidworks? Sketchup?
[20:45] <TheBluestJay> No idea what you're talking about. ^-^"
[20:45] <TheBluestJay> hello vineet_
[20:47] <TheBluestJay> I don't necessarily need a Windows VM. Anything I need I can get on Linux.
[20:48] <TheBluestJay> Although, kinda sucks that I can't use the Unity 3D engine program. But a linux version is in developement so I can wait.
[20:48] <somekool> I'm quite happy i don't need anything from windows... actually most software i use run on top of Qt, which makes me even more happy
[20:49] <TheBluestJay> Yep!
[20:49] <TheBluestJay> Hello sayakb!
[20:50] <valorie> yeah, unless I have to sit down at my husband's computer, I don't use windows for anything, anymore
[20:50] <valorie> TheBluestJay: this is a help channel, so it is inappropriate to greet everyone as they join
[20:51] <valorie> for general chat, please join #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:51] <TheBluestJay> valorie: My apologies.
[20:58] <TheBluestJay> Welp, Ima go now. Going to mess around in the system and figure this bluetooth problem out.
[21:34] <karl_> Hello
[22:35] <FreeFog> HI sorry to bother i'm tring to setup my ubuntu pc, and im unsure about my SSD compatibility , using Kubuntu 16.04 kernet 4.4 and Crucial M550, which apears black listed on https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/e64f638483a21105c7ce330d543fa1f1c35b5bc7/drivers/ata/libata-core.c#L4109-L4286
[22:41] <valorie> FreeFog: when you try the liveUSB, and open up a terminal, does it detect your SSD?
[22:41] <FreeFog> yes
[22:44] <FreeFog> What I would like to konw is the proper way to check for issues, as the link I pasted here is old
[22:44] <FreeFog> and then how should adress such issues
[22:45] <valorie> I would check in a live session to see if everything works as expected
[22:46] <valorie> if it does, then you are good to install
[22:49] <FreeFog> What tests do u recommend me doing in the live session?
[22:50] <FreeFog> (Thanks for your time)
[22:52] <valorie> FreeFog: do control + alt + f2, which takes you to a terminal
[22:53] <FreeFog> already there
[22:53] <valorie> control + alt + f7 usually brings you back
[22:54] <somekool> or alt-right_arrow a bunch of times ;)
[22:55] <valorie> oh, I've never tried that one, somekool
[22:58] <FreeFog> ajam? whats next?