[05:04] <hikiko> Hi
[07:12] <tjaalton> anyone know if there's a place other than under /usr where I could drop a custom keymap? I need to remap one key on an US kbd to be able to use finnish layout
[07:12] <tjaalton> so that unity would be able to show it on the gui
[07:13] <tjaalton> because xmodmap doesn't work
[07:13] <tjaalton> the layout is reset on resume etc
[07:13] <tjaalton> and .Xmodmap is not applied on login either
[07:53] <tjaalton> hah, looks like I can type <>| on US kbd afterall, a bit awkward with altgr+shift, but still.. no need for hacky layouts
[07:58] <Sweet5hark> moin
[07:59] <Sweet5hark> Laney: have a sec?
[08:00] <willcooke> Morning all.
[08:00] <willcooke> Weather update:  It's raining sideways.
[08:01] <duflu> Umm. I assume willcooke is not in South Australia where that is also true
[08:01] <willcooke> ha
[08:01] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[08:01] <duflu> Hey willcooke
[08:02] <Laney> yo
[08:02] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[08:02] <willcooke> hi Laney TheMuso
[08:02] <Laney> what's up
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> Morning
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> Hmmm, rainy walk this morning.
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> Laney, thank for sharing your dynamic profile tip yesterday.
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> I've recreated the same results using this - http://direnv.net/
[08:04] <Laney> why is it such a pain in the rear end to pay someone using different payment references?
[08:04]  * Laney stabs Santander
[08:04] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Nice
[08:04] <Laney> Sweet5hark: Yes, many, and they are all for you
[08:04] <duflu> Evening? TheMuso
[08:05] <Laney> What
[08:05] <tjaalton> owncloud client doesn't seem to start on login, is 'startup applications' still supported in yak?
[08:05] <Laney> "Amend Payee" rejects the name that creating a new payee previously allowed
[08:11] <Laney> tjaalton: It works
[08:11] <Laney> I think logs go into the journal now
[08:13] <tjaalton> Laney: ok, it's just the applet icon not showing, seems to be running
[08:16] <TheMuso> Later folks.
[08:19] <willcooke> night TheMuso
[09:38] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I've seen that #1624022 has new comments.
[09:38] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, Laney Am I right is saying the request is to now symlink 'browse' to xdg-open?
[09:39] <willcooke> I think that's where we are at now
[09:39] <flexiondotorg> OK
[09:39] <willcooke> xdg-open is better than sensible-browser (from the comments)
[09:39] <Laney> As you think is best
[09:39] <willcooke> and Mark wanted "browse" to be the command
[09:39] <willcooke> so combine both of those and we arrive at browse -> xdg-open
[09:39] <flexiondotorg> Right. Understood.
[09:40] <willcooke> Laney, you still think this is something worth upstreaming to Debian?
[09:40] <Laney> I would ask
[09:40] <willcooke> yeah, no harm in asking
[09:41] <willcooke> Let's start with a debdiff for Yakkety then, and go from there?
[09:42] <Laney> Mhm
[09:44] <willcooke> Laney, ?
[09:45] <Laney> that's a noise of assent
[09:45] <willcooke> :)
[09:46] <Laney> Check it's actually installed on server though
[09:47] <Laney> If it matters that this works on servers
[09:47]  * willcooke ponders
[09:48] <willcooke> I don't suppose a server has things like X.org, Unity 7, Firefox, etc etc installed by default
[09:49] <Laney> Might have lynx or w3m
[09:49] <jbicha> xdg-utils doesn't show for server in seeded-in-ubuntu but server is pretty minimal by default
[09:49] <jbicha> good morning
[09:49] <Laney> hi
[09:53] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, would suggest you comment on the bug and see if this is required on server, if so then that rather limits our options
[10:02] <Laney> I suspect it's probably not that useful there
[10:02] <Laney> But it might be smart to cover yourself :)
[10:25] <bregma>  hey willcooke a recent change to unity8-desktop-session for the bug fat MIR is blocked from landing until ubuntu-terminal-app gets uploaded to the stable overlay for Xenial...  did you poke anyone about doing that?
[10:26] <willcooke> bregma, morning!  Yeah, spoke to a few peeps in the ci-eng channel this morning.  I've asked TheMuso to take a look at a bug first:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1628781
[10:26] <willcooke> Once that's sorted I think we should be able to land it
[12:24] <andyrock> good afternoon all
[12:37] <flexiondotorg> andyrock, o/
[12:44]  * flexiondotorg gets lunch
[13:05] <willcooke> hey andyrock
[13:27] <davmor2> willcooke, Laney: on yakkety if you open nautilus is it opening a separate icon in the launcher?
[13:28] <willcooke> that again
[13:28] <willcooke> davmor2, is that on an upgrade?
[13:28] <willcooke> *upgraded machine
[13:29] <davmor2> willcooke: I haven't upgraded today I was hoping to see the update-manager popup but it hasn't happened yet
[13:29] <willcooke> davmor2, out of interest, can you remove the icon and re add it
[13:29] <willcooke> and see if it still does it
[13:30] <davmor2> willcooke: now it doesn't
[13:31] <willcooke> davmor2, I /think/ it's probably related to an upgrade at some point, but if that's a fresh install, then.... ?
[13:33] <davmor2> willcooke: no it is my main box so it has been upgraded pretty much daily so might just be version changes in yakkety itself but it's only happened the last couple of days after proposed got unblocked by beta 2
[13:35] <willcooke> hmm, oki.. Well fingers crossed that's what it is
[13:48] <flexiondotorg> Laney I have a question about versioning.
[13:49] <flexiondotorg> I'll have a new xdg-utils package for Y
[13:49] <flexiondotorg> And one for X
[13:49] <flexiondotorg> They are currently the same package in both releases.
[13:49] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update_the_packaging
[13:49] <flexiondotorg> How should I version them for uploading to Y and SRUing to X?
[13:50]  * flexiondotorg goes to read.
[13:50] <Laney> Handy table there
[13:50] <flexiondotorg> Thanks
[13:53] <Laney> davmor2: MMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm interesting
[13:53] <Laney> (maybe)
[13:59] <davmor2> hmmm launcher if I install byobu and add it to the launcher and do an upgrade byobu is removed from the launcher, I assume this is because the old version is removed and the newer version installed right?
[14:37] <flexiondotorg> Laney, can you cast an eye over these debdiffs please.
[14:37] <flexiondotorg> For Xenial SRU - paste.ubuntu.com/23251295/
[14:37] <flexiondotorg> For Yakkety - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23251300/
[14:38] <Laney> Are you forwarding it upstream?
[14:38] <Laney> If not, I'd just make a pkg.links file for debhelper to do what it will with
[14:43] <flexiondotorg> OK, I'll do that.
[14:43] <Laney> flexiondotorg: As a point of autotools nerdery (for interest), look up AC_PROG_LN_S
[14:44] <Laney> https://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf.html
[14:45] <flexiondotorg> Thanks, added to my reading list.
[14:48] <Laney> davmor2: that nautilus thing, you found a bug, well done
[14:48] <Laney> cookie for you
[14:48] <davmor2> Laney: I think byobu launcher being removed is another one too ;)
[14:48] <Laney> maybe
[14:48] <Laney> give me a break
[14:48] <Laney> check if it renames its desktop file
[14:49] <Laney> better, just file it
[14:56]  * flexiondotorg is just making a cuppa
[15:08]  * ogra_ notes the brits are a nation of potters ... where germans make coffee or tea, you guys only make cups 
[15:19]  * flexiondotorg looks for a liquid to put in my cup
[15:24] <davmor2> Laney: so everything in the desktop file looks to be identical on yakkety and xenial so I'll file a bug against bybou intially
[15:26] <Laney> ok
[15:33] <davmor2> Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/byobu/+bug/1628975
[15:35] <om26er> Hello! Is there a pythonic way to check if X server is running ?
[16:41] <flexiondotorg> Laney, here are the updated debdiffs for xdg-utils
[16:41] <flexiondotorg> Xenial - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23251853/
[16:41] <flexiondotorg> Yakkety - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23251856/
[16:41] <flexiondotorg> If built and tested them. So if these are suitable I'll attach them to the bug and we can discuss how to process to uploading etc.
[16:42] <flexiondotorg> I've not just been working on this BTW ;-)
[16:42] <flexiondotorg> I've got several bugs at various stages of testing
[16:45] <Laney> Looks good, although you don't need the version number for the devel release; that one can be ubuntu2
[16:45] <flexiondotorg> So Y can be ubuntu2?
[16:47] <Laney> yes
[16:48] <flexiondotorg> Like so - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23251883/
[16:48] <Laney> aye
[16:48] <flexiondotorg> OK, I'll attach those to the bug.
[16:49] <flexiondotorg> Should I subscribe this bug for sponsoring to get it uploaded?
[16:49] <Laney> That'd be the usual way
[16:49] <flexiondotorg> Cool.
[17:06] <Laney> nighty night
[17:30] <willcooke> night all
[17:32] <flexiondotorg> Night
[21:14] <dobey> desrt: around? any idea of a reason why g_app_info_get_all() would not be returning applications that are in XDG_DATA_{DIRS,HOME}/applications?
[21:34] <desrt> dobey: what *is* it returning?
[21:35] <desrt> those dirs are the only thing it uses
[21:36] <dobey> desrt: apparently nothing. in unity-scope-click we have an "applications" directory with a few .desktop files in it, for some integration tests, which we copy to a tmpdir for the tests and point XDG_DATA_HOME at. but they don't seem to be showing up in ubuntu-app-launch-appids, and there's no errors and no messages with G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all
[21:37] <dobey> and nothing apparent in the u-a-l source code that would cause it. the .desktop files are straight copies from actual installed apps on the phone too, and they definitely show up in the click scope under the unity8 session :-/
[21:39] <dobey> yeah, it's not making any sense to me; so here i am pinging you :)
[21:41] <dobey> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/unity-scope-click/trunk/files/head:/tests/scope-harness/applications/ <- these are the .desktop files
[21:42] <desrt> Do you set the envvar from inside the test program?
[21:42] <dobey> no, outside
[21:42] <desrt> Hmm
[21:42] <desrt> (good)
[21:42] <desrt> Oh
[21:42] <desrt> I know
[21:43] <desrt> The files in the Exec= line are missing, I bet
[21:43] <dobey> g_app_info_get_all() strips those out?
[21:43] <desrt> Change Exec=/bin/true or something and it will work
[21:44] <desrt> Ya... a subject of much controversy, I assure you
[21:44] <dobey> ugh, yeah. installed webbrowser-app and now it appears. that is indeed not nice
[21:44] <desrt> I'm on my way to dinner atm, so hopefully that works... otherwise, ping later?
[21:45] <desrt> Ah good
[21:45] <desrt> Good night!
[21:45] <dobey> thanks. you too
[23:37] <maxb> I was just discussing a Unity launcher problem new filed as bug 1629138 over in #ubuntu+1, and it was suggested to mention it here too.
[23:38] <maxb> Let me know if I can help provide more info