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bumbleheadmaybe this should be the phone I would look at? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0119IXOXG/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza00:01
bumbleheadI don't know why ubuntu touch isn't starting to get popular now...00:07
bumbleheadI've been using it for a few years and think it is really great00:07
bumbleheadsince OTA 11 its been stable for me on Nexus 400:07
bumbleheadI would like it if I could intall it install it on one of the new samsung devices that explode when the battery charges...00:09
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darkeyeAnybody else still have black and white emoji in his keyboard even after  OTA-13?08:15
crushing-kithello all08:15
darkeyeHey08:16
crushing-kitit is possible to install UT on nokia lumia 720?08:19
davmor2crushing-kit: is that a windows phone08:20
crushing-kitya08:20
davmor2crushing-kit: currently ubuntu touch sits atop the android kernel so almost certainly not but there maybe others that can confirm that theory08:22
Mirvmarcusto_: sorry, one more time please https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2015/+packages - the ~4 packages. upstream changed their commit, and also community did some unrelated changes so a new build was required.08:25
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marcustomlinsonMirv: testing08:48
marcustomlinsonMirv: Yeah, still looks good08:57
Mirvmarcustomlinson: great, thanks again. hopefully this is now the final time a rebuild is needed.08:58
marcustomlinsonnp08:59
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MCMicSince last update, keyboard layout are not consistent between keyboard indicator and keyboard settings10:48
MCMicThe behaviour is really weird, if I click settings from the indicator, I have a list of layouts with one checked, if I click back, and then layout again I don’t see the same list10:49
MCMicI see other layouts which are checked10:49
darkeyeMCMic :  Yes, That  is weird  it happens on my device too...11:24
jocogra_: do you know where i can download historic core snaps so i can attempt to bisect an issue?11:32
ogra_joc, i keep a log for the daily snap builds at http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-core-builds/ ... note though that this only tracks the automatic daily builds, not any manual builds someone triggered directly in LP11:34
jocogra_: understood, that looks great, thank you11:36
jocand apologies just realised this ended up on touch channel ;)11:36
ogra_heh11:39
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jgdxartmello_, hey, do you recall any yakkety build issues for https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1797 ?11:41
jgdxor the last time you landed ubuntu-push11:41
artmello_jgdx: I do remember a couple of test issues on s390x and (not sure) arm64. But I think that was fixed11:51
jgdxartmello_, right, I found the reason though12:02
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fw190d13hello14:16
fw190d13I'm thinking how to block ads in browser and found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/ubuntu-touch/help/adblock-ubuntu-touch-t315270614:17
fw190d13they recomend dumping a hosts file into /etc/14:17
fw190d13but there are already 3 hosts files14:17
fw190d13hosts, hosts deny and hosts allow14:17
k1lwell, that is how adblock works on android too. changing the hosts file14:17
fw190d13ok14:17
fw190d13so which should I change?14:17
fw190d13hosts deny or hosts?14:19
darkeyehosts14:19
k1lhosts14:19
fw190d13just paste the data from http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/ under the last line and I'm done?14:20
the_CreamerHey guyz need an awesome book about Firewalls14:20
the_CreamerI mean link.14:20
the_CreamerPlease anyone to refer me.14:21
ogra_the_Creamer, probably ask in #ubuntu-server .... this is the phone/tablet channel14:24
fw190d13how to edit the hosts file form within the phone? I have a hosts in my documents folder but can not delet or edit the original one14:42
k1lfw190d13: the german wiki got a howto: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Ubuntu_Touch/Erweiterte_Konfiguration/#Werbeblocker14:43
fw190d13k1l: thanks will look into it although my Germna is very poor ;)14:46
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dpmElleo, o/ bfiller asked me about installing Terminal and File Manager as a .deb and issues with dependencies and that I might want to ping you with my answer. It's essentially this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1625074/comments/2 (the paragraph before the last one)16:28
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1625074 in ubuntu-terminal-app (Ubuntu) "[MIR] ubuntu-terminal-app" [High,Incomplete]16:28
Elleodpm: yeah, I just created this MR to sort out transitional packages from the module renaming: https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/ubuntu-terminal-app/fix-1628781/+merge/307172 :)16:30
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dpmElleo, thank you and approved :) I had hit that problem when I last upgraded Terminal, I've been using it on my desktop for a while16:36
Elleodpm: great, thanks :)16:40
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MichalPHello, please I want ask you if is possible check in UT if there run any abnormal program or if UT sending any secret data? I am asking that I am using non-official  image and I am affraid if it is not hacked or something like this17:24
dobeyMichalP: not really no. you'd have to check your wifi router and such, to see if it's communicating anywhere unexpected17:32
MichalP:( bad news, so it is time to anybody create firewall to UT :)17:40
mcphailMichalP: or don't run an operating system you don't trust...17:42
MichalPThis is best idea, but I have not choice, I can use untrusted Ut or android, no way. I choice wrong phone :( (MX4)17:44
MichalPProblem is that I like UT too much and I am run on  it more then one year as primary phone, so I don't want leave from UT. But PRO5 is too expensive for me :(17:46
dobeyMichalP: even if there were something in UT to do what you ask, if you're running a hacked version, it could easily be altered to give false results17:46
dobeyMichalP: well if it works fine on your nexus 4, why can't you keep using that, updated from the trusted official channel?17:47
MichalPI already pass this phone to my daughter, she like Ut too, I have not heart take it back :(17:49
MichalPI really believe taht I can flash UT to MX4, but it was wrong idea17:50
TheKitMichalP, you can build image you can trust yourself then17:52
TheKitusing scripts17:52
MichalPWhich script?17:52
MichalPmean "launcher.sh" where you choice flash UT?17:52
TheKithttps://yadi.sk/d/Xuvo0JXImWnQN17:53
TheKitdualboot_make_system_img.sh17:53
TheKitbut I think you're being paranoid17:53
TheKittoo much hassle to include something like this in image very few people are going to use17:54
hamersawanybody have luck running an ubuntu phone on verizons network? i'm very interested in switching.17:54
k1lthe OS is not limited to provider networks. its just a matter of the hardware and the used bandwiths17:56
MichalPI flashed files inside 20160913-OTA1317:56
hamersawk1l: thanks, don't know much about it all. phase 1 then, find a bitching unlocked phone that works on verizon and can flash ubuntu.17:57
MichalPBut I used image one week, and yesturday comes to my email russian email that I am in their forum etc, but I never login to russian forum or server, bcs I don't know Cyrillic and images are made by russian17:58
MichalPThat is why I start be paranoid17:58
dobeyhamersaw: only GSM works. CDMA does not17:58
MichalPAny way, return to script. If I will launch script it will download original image from UT?17:59
MichalPand flash?18:00
dobeyhamersaw: so if you can get a GSM SIM card from verizon that works on their network, you can get a nexus 4 and flash ubuntu onto it for example18:00
TheKitMichalP, it's just going to build system.img18:05
TheKitno other magic18:05
TheKit*magick18:05
TheKitas for email, that could be random spam18:05
TheKitor someone specified your email by mistake18:05
MichalPSo If I will use script, it will make sysmte.img from official source, swich I can replace in mx4_install_ubuntu_ota13-dualboot-20160913.zip and the should be ok?18:08
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MichalPBTW do you know what id SWAP.img? I can't open it18:09
MichalPsay me wrong FS18:09
MichalPit is something like swap partition?18:10
hamersawdobey: thanks, doesn't look like it's overly difficult to get Verizon to do that.18:13
dobeyhamersaw: or just save yourself some money and switch to t-mobile :)18:14
hamersawdobey: i just took a look at their plans, the thing is i'm part of a family plan. so it isn't cheaper to switch myself over now.18:14
fw190d13I have tried to copy my hosts files with sudo cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts.orig  and got that system is read only18:22
fw190d13what to do now?18:22
fw190d13I don't want to mes the phone up as it is my daily driver18:22
dobeyfw190d13: right, the root sysem is read-only. if you want to create a back-up, copy it somewhere writable, like ~/backup/ or something18:27
fw190d13dobey: can I copy w prepared on laptop hosts file to that location and replace the original one with this command?18:28
dobeyi don't recall if the hosts file itself is writable or not, but that's easy enough to test18:29
dobeyjust try to add a comment to the existing file and see what happens18:29
fw190d13no native speaker here - what does "add a comment" mean?18:30
dobeylines that start with # in /etc/hosts are comments18:32
dobeyor you can just try adding a blank line, if that's more understandable18:33
fw190d13roger that - is there a editor like leafpad on Ubuntu Touch?18:34
fw190d13or can I just do: sudo cp /home/phablet/documents/hosts /etc/hosts ?18:35
fw190d13and it will ask if I want to replace that file?18:35
aiyionthe editor you may use is nano and commandline based.18:36
aiyioni suppose you modify the file on your own instead of replacing it.18:36
MichalPTheKit: You silent,  are you there or just I have stupid questions? I understand that I am amateur and I waste your time. I just don't know If I can wait for any answer or leave and try script and some wizard :)18:37
TheKityou didn't mention me, so I forgot to look here, sorry18:37
TheKit<MichalP> So If I will use script, it will make sysmte.img from official source, swich I can replace in mx4_install_ubuntu_ota13-dualboot-20160913.zip and the should be ok? - yes18:38
MichalPI see, I every time forgot add name, sorry18:38
TheKit<MichalP> it is something like swap partition? - yes18:38
fw190d13aiyion: nano is evil, comand line is evil ;)18:38
MichalPTheKit: so when I use script, then make system.img, so then I will replace system.img in zip?18:39
MichalPTheKit: mx4_install_ubuntu_ota13-dualboot-20160913.zip18:39
dobeyfw190d13: vi is installed by default, you can use it from terminal app18:39
TheKitI didn't try it myself, since I don't have MX4, but it should work this way18:41
fw190d13dobey: OK I will try vi but how to use arrows in terminal? the keyboard has no arrows18:43
dobeyfw190d13: one of the command toolbar things has arrows, iirc18:45
MichalPTheKit:Ok, I will try this way. Many thanks for your time and care about me. Really many thanks.18:45
TheKittoo early to say thanks, but no problem :)18:45
aiyionfw190d13: prefer vim over all, but was not ready for a flame war :D18:46
fw190d13aiyion: again me nt beeing a native speaker s the reason of confusion - I can do from terimnal apt-get update and that would be it vi / nano/ whatever is black magick - reading about it right now18:47
aiyionwhatever you do, make a backup and be safe :P18:49
fw190d13or be ready to reflash... yet agian ;)18:49
fw190d13again18:50
dobeyfw190d13: you really should not be doing apt-get update/etc in the terminal (and you can't with read-only root fs anyway)18:51
fw190d13dobey: I meant that I can do it and do on my laptop and that is the whole knowledge of my terminal ;)18:51
aiyiondon't get it, why would you update anything?18:51
aiyionenable write mode, change file, rmeount in readonly , be fine.18:52
fw190d13ok gents - this is to much for me - can I somehow plug in the cable do it form my laptop and paste that file to the right place?18:53
aiyionthink so. yes.18:53
aiyionread about adb18:54
fw190d13ok18:54
fw190d13will do18:54
fw190d13is there sens to fill a bug/request about it? I mean rodinary users like me can't realy use the browser as those nasty adds pop up everywhere - maybe this could be fixed someow by an addon?18:57
dobeyfw190d13: use the phablet-shell tool from phablet-tools18:58
dobeythere is probably a bug about there being no ad blocker for the browser, but i am not 100% sure on that18:59
popeyalmost certainly18:59
popeyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1491253  is one18:59
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1491253 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Missing setting to enable/disable javascript" [Medium,Triaged]18:59
popeyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1497210 is the main one19:00
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1497210 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "[browser] There is no way to block adverts, web bugs and trackers in the web browser " [Wishlist,Confirmed]19:00
fw190d13popey: adblocking is high prority ;) without it sites load like crap even with the 2 GB and this fancy CPU on my nexus 4 it feels like Nokia N90019:07
popeyif you say so :)19:10
dobeyIME, even with blocked ads, sites still load like crap, because they have so much junk in them these days19:12
cliftontsHi guys, I'm having real issues with my phone tonight on OTA13, it is essentially unusable. Has anyone reported having no access to networking at all?19:12
dobeyg+ is like literally a big blob of javascript and json19:12
davmor2cliftonts: not that I am aware of and it is working fine here19:13
fw190d13dobey: you are right but those damn things are hard to close even on desktop without adblocking...19:14
cliftontsMid afternoon I was replying to texts and suddenly every key press the keyboard vanishes19:14
davmor2cliftonts: nope no issues like that either19:15
fw190d13popey: well I'm lobbying for a better experience of novice Ubuntu Touch users right now19:15
cliftontsSometimes the keypress triggers a backspace first, making it impossible to complete a sentence and eventually it did a mini reboot showing the splash screen and then returning me to where I was19:15
fw190d13popey: that is why adblokig is highly needed19:15
cliftontsThe dialer now half the time shows no details and won't let me put the phone down and after rebooting I have no networking at all.19:16
cliftontsI have manually connected to my wifi using cli but updates refuses to accept I have a connection.19:16
cliftontsThe networking indicator is now displayed as indicator-network in the list and is empty.19:16
davmor2cliftonts: what phone is this it sound like the system is completely borked19:17
dobeythat sounds like indicator-network failed to start19:17
cliftontsE4.5, it was working perfectly up until 4pm today19:17
cliftontsI have rebooted dobey but it doesn't change.19:17
dobeycliftonts: is the storage full?19:18
cliftontsIs there any way to manually punt the indicator-network online or is there any way to do updates via cli?19:18
cliftontsStorage 1.6gb free apparently19:18
cliftontsWhat the hell is 8coupons and why is it installed??19:19
davmor2cliftonts: it is an online scope that show vouchers available for stuff19:23
cliftontsProbably, but I digress. I really need to figure out what has fallen flat and how to put it back upright again.19:23
dobeycliftonts: "start indicator-network" in temrinal should start it19:25
cliftontsI wonder why it isn't starting on its own19:25
dobeydon't know. should be a log about that somewhere in ~/.cache/upstart/ i think19:25
dobeyforget which file it's actually in though19:25
cliftontsI'll have a poke around19:26
cliftontsI have attempted to ssh into my phone using the sdk but it says 'unable to find a shell'19:28
popeyfw190d13: I get it19:28
cliftontsdobey - job is already running: incicator-network19:30
fw190d13popey: does that mean that you are just right at this very moment texting Mark to speed things up ;))))))))))))))19:30
popeyno :)19:31
dobeycliftonts: try "restart indicator-network" then19:32
cliftontsno change. I have found a website detailing the networking, it lists multiple programs involved in the process so it may be that the indicator is working but something else is dead19:33
cliftontshttp://paste.ubuntu.com/2325259519:37
fw190d13ok jokes aside - I have managed to connect the phone with adb, I'm in the phones command line, opened the hosts file with vi for testing19:50
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fw190d13now how to make that file writable, change it and make it read only again?19:50
fw190d13google shows some scarry things that once you make the system writable it's not reversible19:51
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fw190d13ugh found it: http://www.mibqyyo.com/en-articles/2015/11/13/ubuntu-touch-system-rw-bq-canonical-smartphones/#/vanilla/discussion/embed/?vanilla_discussion_id=019:58
dobeyfw190d13: you can mount the partition rw to make a change, and then change it back, but updates may (will) overwrite any changes in the RO fs at some point20:02
fw190d13dobey: as I understand the next OTA will be a few months form now? so maybe it is worth to tinker it?20:03
dobeyi don't know when updates will be released. i don't schedule them. :)20:04
cliftontsSo does anybody know how to run the updates check from command line?20:05
dobeycliftonts: for system update, or for apps?20:06
dobeycliftonts: for system updates, system-image-cli is the tool; for app updates, there's no way to check for or install updates from CLI20:07
cliftontsI'm thinking one way to address my issue would be to let the updates overwrite whatever if wrong but the updates system is refusing to accept I have a connection.20:07
cliftontsWell I'm screwed. I have no idea how to restore my phone to working condition. I can't update, ssh in, or anything20:08
fw190d13dobey: I did: sudo touch /userdata/.writable_image then rebooted and the file is still read only in vi20:08
dobeyfw190d13: don't do that. delete that file.20:09
dobeycliftonts: is dev mode enabled? and does adb work?20:09
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cliftontsYes and it seems to20:10
fw190d13dobey: OK I did: sudo rm /userdata/.writable_image20:10
dobeycliftonts: you can reflash using the recovery image and instructions on the devices wiki, over usb, from an ubuntu pc/vm20:10
dobey!devices | cliftonts20:10
ubot5cliftonts: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices20:10
cliftontsPresumably I will lose my installed apps but my pictures, videos etc will be unaffected?20:11
dobeycliftonts: something like ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --recovery-image krillin-recovery.img20:11
dobeycliftonts: no, installed apps also unaffected, unless you --wipe or try to flash from fastboot with --bootstrap20:11
cliftontsOk, going for it20:12
cliftontsHope you're right! lol20:12
dobeyunless by "installed apps" you mean you changed / to rw and installed stuff with apt. that will indeed be overwritten20:13
dobeyand if you did do that, it might explain the problems you're having20:13
cliftontsOh no, the phone is as standard20:14
cliftontsExcellent. Now my phone is totally stuffed20:15
dobeyfw190d13: you can "mount -o rmount,rw /" to get it writable, and then reboot or "mount -o remount,ro /" to get it readonly again20:15
cliftonts2016/09/29 21:14:54 error pushing:20:15
cliftontsThe phone is still running, is it safe to reboot and try again?20:16
dobeycliftonts: sure. if it failed to push data to the phone, then it didn't do anything20:16
dobeywhat was the error exactly? no space left on device?20:17
cliftontsNo20:17
cliftontsJust what I posted, error pushing.20:17
cliftontsI retried but got this:20:17
cliftontsExpecting the device to expose an adb interface...20:17
cliftontsdevice cannot be detected over adb20:17
fw190d13dobey: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/root,20:18
fw190d13       missing codepage or helper program, or other error20:18
fw190d13       In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try20:18
fw190d13       dmesg | tail or so.20:18
dobeyok, maybe the cable came loose or something20:18
cliftontsI think so20:18
cliftontsWorking again20:19
cliftontsIt just keeps failing with error pushing.20:20
cliftontsLooks like I may have an iffy usb port on the laptop20:23
dobeypossible20:23
cliftontsFailed to enter recovery. What now?20:31
cliftontsIt is sat with the splash screen and the progress bar about 95% done20:31
cliftontsdobey, it isn't entering recovery mode. Are there any other options.20:36
fw190d13thank you all for you patience and help - I will better wait for some system update which solves this somehow20:40
dobeycliftonts: did you grab the recovery image from the wiki and pass it as the recovery image to ubuntu-device-flash?20:45
cliftontsI used the command you gave me20:46
cliftontsWhat wiki20:46
dobeythe one i pointed you at20:46
dobey!devices | cliftonts20:46
ubot5cliftonts: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices20:46
dobeythere is a reocvery image you have to use when flashing the device. you need to grab the one listed for krillin20:47
dobeyi'm surprised the command i gave you got that far, if you didn't have the recovery img20:47
cliftontsI have adjusted it slightly and I'm trying again20:48
cliftontsyou say I have to grab the image, what am I supposed to do with it?  Store it in the directory I'm running the command from?20:50
dobeyyes, download it, and pass the path to the --recovery-image arg20:50
cliftontsok, I'm working on it. Haven't done this for quite some time. I'm a bit rusty!20:52
cliftontsThe link on that wiki is for source code. Is that what I want? I thought I needed an image file20:59
dobeycliftonts: no21:09
cliftontsdobey, nope I just can't get it to boot into recovery21:09
dobeycliftonts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash21:09
cliftontsI downloaded the image file and I am referencing it in the command but it just failed again21:09
dobeycliftonts: in the table in that section21:09
dobeyhmm, ok. i don't know what could cause that then :-/21:10
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cliftontsI used this command: ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --recovery-image recovery-krillin.img21:11
cliftontswith the recovery-krillin.img file in the directory21:11
dobeyok, that should work i would think21:12
cliftontsWell it's not. I am wondering if some sort of file system corruption could be at work here21:13
dobeyit's not impossible21:15
dobeyunfortunately i can't really provide any more help for you, and i can't poke at your phone myself of course, since you're not here and i'm not there. :-/21:16
cliftontsYes, the eternal problem. I'm really not sure what the next step is. I can't afford to be replacing it just yet and with the shortage of Ubuntu devices I'm not going back to android!21:21
dobeywell to start, i'd say back up all your data off the device :)21:26
cliftontsI could always use the reset options within the settings app I suppose, or is that purely for wiping out user data and settings?21:27
dobeyi don't recall what it does exactly21:28
cliftontsWorth a try21:28
dobeyit may delete your data and installed apps, not sure21:28
cliftontsIt's back working again but the touchscreen is unusable21:35
cliftontsTyping J was bringing up A, it just types gibberish. Though using a stylus it works ok21:36
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