[00:01] maybe this should be the phone I would look at? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0119IXOXG/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza [00:07] I don't know why ubuntu touch isn't starting to get popular now... [00:07] I've been using it for a few years and think it is really great [00:07] since OTA 11 its been stable for me on Nexus 4 [00:09] I would like it if I could intall it install it on one of the new samsung devices that explode when the battery charges... === bpierre_ is now known as bpierre [08:15] Anybody else still have black and white emoji in his keyboard even after OTA-13? [08:15] hello all [08:16] Hey [08:19] it is possible to install UT on nokia lumia 720? [08:20] crushing-kit: is that a windows phone [08:20] ya [08:22] crushing-kit: currently ubuntu touch sits atop the android kernel so almost certainly not but there maybe others that can confirm that theory [08:25] marcusto_: sorry, one more time please https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2015/+packages - the ~4 packages. upstream changed their commit, and also community did some unrelated changes so a new build was required. === marcusto_ is now known as marcustomlinson [08:48] Mirv: testing [08:57] Mirv: Yeah, still looks good [08:58] marcustomlinson: great, thanks again. hopefully this is now the final time a rebuild is needed. [08:59] np === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 === ara_ is now known as ara [10:48] Since last update, keyboard layout are not consistent between keyboard indicator and keyboard settings [10:49] The behaviour is really weird, if I click settings from the indicator, I have a list of layouts with one checked, if I click back, and then layout again I don’t see the same list [10:49] I see other layouts which are checked [11:24] MCMic : Yes, That is weird it happens on my device too... [11:32] ogra_: do you know where i can download historic core snaps so i can attempt to bisect an issue? [11:34] joc, i keep a log for the daily snap builds at http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-core-builds/ ... note though that this only tracks the automatic daily builds, not any manual builds someone triggered directly in LP [11:36] ogra_: understood, that looks great, thank you [11:36] and apologies just realised this ended up on touch channel ;) [11:39] heh === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:41] artmello_, hey, do you recall any yakkety build issues for https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1797 ? [11:41] or the last time you landed ubuntu-push [11:51] jgdx: I do remember a couple of test issues on s390x and (not sure) arm64. But I think that was fixed [12:02] artmello_, right, I found the reason though === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader_ is now known as dandrader [14:16] hello [14:17] I'm thinking how to block ads in browser and found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/ubuntu-touch/help/adblock-ubuntu-touch-t3152706 [14:17] they recomend dumping a hosts file into /etc/ [14:17] but there are already 3 hosts files [14:17] hosts, hosts deny and hosts allow [14:17] well, that is how adblock works on android too. changing the hosts file [14:17] ok [14:17] so which should I change? [14:19] hosts deny or hosts? [14:19] hosts [14:19] hosts [14:20] just paste the data from http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/ under the last line and I'm done? [14:20] Hey guyz need an awesome book about Firewalls [14:20] I mean link. [14:21] Please anyone to refer me. [14:24] the_Creamer, probably ask in #ubuntu-server .... this is the phone/tablet channel [14:42] how to edit the hosts file form within the phone? I have a hosts in my documents folder but can not delet or edit the original one [14:43] fw190d13: the german wiki got a howto: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Ubuntu_Touch/Erweiterte_Konfiguration/#Werbeblocker [14:46] k1l: thanks will look into it although my Germna is very poor ;) === JanC is now known as Guest12605 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [16:28] Elleo, o/ bfiller asked me about installing Terminal and File Manager as a .deb and issues with dependencies and that I might want to ping you with my answer. It's essentially this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1625074/comments/2 (the paragraph before the last one) [16:28] Ubuntu bug 1625074 in ubuntu-terminal-app (Ubuntu) "[MIR] ubuntu-terminal-app" [High,Incomplete] [16:30] dpm: yeah, I just created this MR to sort out transitional packages from the module renaming: https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/ubuntu-terminal-app/fix-1628781/+merge/307172 :) === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [16:36] Elleo, thank you and approved :) I had hit that problem when I last upgraded Terminal, I've been using it on my desktop for a while [16:40] dpm: great, thanks :) === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [17:24] Hello, please I want ask you if is possible check in UT if there run any abnormal program or if UT sending any secret data? I am asking that I am using non-official image and I am affraid if it is not hacked or something like this [17:32] MichalP: not really no. you'd have to check your wifi router and such, to see if it's communicating anywhere unexpected [17:40] :( bad news, so it is time to anybody create firewall to UT :) [17:42] MichalP: or don't run an operating system you don't trust... [17:44] This is best idea, but I have not choice, I can use untrusted Ut or android, no way. I choice wrong phone :( (MX4) [17:46] Problem is that I like UT too much and I am run on it more then one year as primary phone, so I don't want leave from UT. But PRO5 is too expensive for me :( [17:46] MichalP: even if there were something in UT to do what you ask, if you're running a hacked version, it could easily be altered to give false results [17:47] MichalP: well if it works fine on your nexus 4, why can't you keep using that, updated from the trusted official channel? [17:49] I already pass this phone to my daughter, she like Ut too, I have not heart take it back :( [17:50] I really believe taht I can flash UT to MX4, but it was wrong idea [17:52] MichalP, you can build image you can trust yourself then [17:52] using scripts [17:52] Which script? [17:52] mean "launcher.sh" where you choice flash UT? [17:53] https://yadi.sk/d/Xuvo0JXImWnQN [17:53] dualboot_make_system_img.sh [17:53] but I think you're being paranoid [17:54] too much hassle to include something like this in image very few people are going to use [17:54] anybody have luck running an ubuntu phone on verizons network? i'm very interested in switching. [17:56] the OS is not limited to provider networks. its just a matter of the hardware and the used bandwiths [17:56] I flashed files inside 20160913-OTA13 [17:57] k1l: thanks, don't know much about it all. phase 1 then, find a bitching unlocked phone that works on verizon and can flash ubuntu. [17:58] But I used image one week, and yesturday comes to my email russian email that I am in their forum etc, but I never login to russian forum or server, bcs I don't know Cyrillic and images are made by russian [17:58] That is why I start be paranoid [17:58] hamersaw: only GSM works. CDMA does not [17:59] Any way, return to script. If I will launch script it will download original image from UT? [18:00] and flash? [18:00] hamersaw: so if you can get a GSM SIM card from verizon that works on their network, you can get a nexus 4 and flash ubuntu onto it for example [18:05] MichalP, it's just going to build system.img [18:05] no other magic [18:05] *magick [18:05] as for email, that could be random spam [18:05] or someone specified your email by mistake [18:08] So If I will use script, it will make sysmte.img from official source, swich I can replace in mx4_install_ubuntu_ota13-dualboot-20160913.zip and the should be ok? === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [18:09] BTW do you know what id SWAP.img? I can't open it [18:09] say me wrong FS [18:10] it is something like swap partition? [18:13] dobey: thanks, doesn't look like it's overly difficult to get Verizon to do that. [18:14] hamersaw: or just save yourself some money and switch to t-mobile :) [18:14] dobey: i just took a look at their plans, the thing is i'm part of a family plan. so it isn't cheaper to switch myself over now. [18:22] I have tried to copy my hosts files with sudo cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts.orig and got that system is read only [18:22] what to do now? [18:22] I don't want to mes the phone up as it is my daily driver [18:27] fw190d13: right, the root sysem is read-only. if you want to create a back-up, copy it somewhere writable, like ~/backup/ or something [18:28] dobey: can I copy w prepared on laptop hosts file to that location and replace the original one with this command? [18:29] i don't recall if the hosts file itself is writable or not, but that's easy enough to test [18:29] just try to add a comment to the existing file and see what happens [18:30] no native speaker here - what does "add a comment" mean? [18:32] lines that start with # in /etc/hosts are comments [18:33] or you can just try adding a blank line, if that's more understandable [18:34] roger that - is there a editor like leafpad on Ubuntu Touch? [18:35] or can I just do: sudo cp /home/phablet/documents/hosts /etc/hosts ? [18:35] and it will ask if I want to replace that file? [18:36] the editor you may use is nano and commandline based. [18:36] i suppose you modify the file on your own instead of replacing it. [18:37] TheKit: You silent, are you there or just I have stupid questions? I understand that I am amateur and I waste your time. I just don't know If I can wait for any answer or leave and try script and some wizard :) [18:37] you didn't mention me, so I forgot to look here, sorry [18:38] So If I will use script, it will make sysmte.img from official source, swich I can replace in mx4_install_ubuntu_ota13-dualboot-20160913.zip and the should be ok? - yes [18:38] I see, I every time forgot add name, sorry [18:38] it is something like swap partition? - yes [18:38] aiyion: nano is evil, comand line is evil ;) [18:39] TheKit: so when I use script, then make system.img, so then I will replace system.img in zip? [18:39] TheKit: mx4_install_ubuntu_ota13-dualboot-20160913.zip [18:39] fw190d13: vi is installed by default, you can use it from terminal app [18:41] I didn't try it myself, since I don't have MX4, but it should work this way [18:43] dobey: OK I will try vi but how to use arrows in terminal? the keyboard has no arrows [18:45] fw190d13: one of the command toolbar things has arrows, iirc [18:45] TheKit:Ok, I will try this way. Many thanks for your time and care about me. Really many thanks. [18:45] too early to say thanks, but no problem :) [18:46] fw190d13: prefer vim over all, but was not ready for a flame war :D [18:47] aiyion: again me nt beeing a native speaker s the reason of confusion - I can do from terimnal apt-get update and that would be it vi / nano/ whatever is black magick - reading about it right now [18:49] whatever you do, make a backup and be safe :P [18:49] or be ready to reflash... yet agian ;) [18:50] again [18:51] fw190d13: you really should not be doing apt-get update/etc in the terminal (and you can't with read-only root fs anyway) [18:51] dobey: I meant that I can do it and do on my laptop and that is the whole knowledge of my terminal ;) [18:51] don't get it, why would you update anything? [18:52] enable write mode, change file, rmeount in readonly , be fine. [18:53] ok gents - this is to much for me - can I somehow plug in the cable do it form my laptop and paste that file to the right place? [18:53] think so. yes. [18:54] read about adb [18:54] ok [18:54] will do [18:57] is there sens to fill a bug/request about it? I mean rodinary users like me can't realy use the browser as those nasty adds pop up everywhere - maybe this could be fixed someow by an addon? [18:58] fw190d13: use the phablet-shell tool from phablet-tools [18:59] there is probably a bug about there being no ad blocker for the browser, but i am not 100% sure on that [18:59] almost certainly [18:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1491253 is one [18:59] Ubuntu bug 1491253 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Missing setting to enable/disable javascript" [Medium,Triaged] [19:00] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1497210 is the main one [19:00] Ubuntu bug 1497210 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "[browser] There is no way to block adverts, web bugs and trackers in the web browser " [Wishlist,Confirmed] [19:07] popey: adblocking is high prority ;) without it sites load like crap even with the 2 GB and this fancy CPU on my nexus 4 it feels like Nokia N900 [19:10] if you say so :) [19:12] IME, even with blocked ads, sites still load like crap, because they have so much junk in them these days [19:12] Hi guys, I'm having real issues with my phone tonight on OTA13, it is essentially unusable. Has anyone reported having no access to networking at all? [19:12] g+ is like literally a big blob of javascript and json [19:13] cliftonts: not that I am aware of and it is working fine here [19:14] dobey: you are right but those damn things are hard to close even on desktop without adblocking... [19:14] Mid afternoon I was replying to texts and suddenly every key press the keyboard vanishes [19:15] cliftonts: nope no issues like that either [19:15] popey: well I'm lobbying for a better experience of novice Ubuntu Touch users right now [19:15] Sometimes the keypress triggers a backspace first, making it impossible to complete a sentence and eventually it did a mini reboot showing the splash screen and then returning me to where I was [19:15] popey: that is why adblokig is highly needed [19:16] The dialer now half the time shows no details and won't let me put the phone down and after rebooting I have no networking at all. [19:16] I have manually connected to my wifi using cli but updates refuses to accept I have a connection. [19:16] The networking indicator is now displayed as indicator-network in the list and is empty. [19:17] cliftonts: what phone is this it sound like the system is completely borked [19:17] that sounds like indicator-network failed to start [19:17] E4.5, it was working perfectly up until 4pm today [19:17] I have rebooted dobey but it doesn't change. [19:18] cliftonts: is the storage full? [19:18] Is there any way to manually punt the indicator-network online or is there any way to do updates via cli? [19:18] Storage 1.6gb free apparently [19:19] What the hell is 8coupons and why is it installed?? [19:23] cliftonts: it is an online scope that show vouchers available for stuff [19:23] Probably, but I digress. I really need to figure out what has fallen flat and how to put it back upright again. [19:25] cliftonts: "start indicator-network" in temrinal should start it [19:25] I wonder why it isn't starting on its own [19:25] don't know. should be a log about that somewhere in ~/.cache/upstart/ i think [19:25] forget which file it's actually in though [19:26] I'll have a poke around [19:28] I have attempted to ssh into my phone using the sdk but it says 'unable to find a shell' [19:28] fw190d13: I get it [19:30] dobey - job is already running: incicator-network [19:30] popey: does that mean that you are just right at this very moment texting Mark to speed things up ;)))))))))))))) [19:31] no :) [19:32] cliftonts: try "restart indicator-network" then [19:33] no change. I have found a website detailing the networking, it lists multiple programs involved in the process so it may be that the indicator is working but something else is dead [19:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/23252595 [19:50] ok jokes aside - I have managed to connect the phone with adb, I'm in the phones command line, opened the hosts file with vi for testing === cwayne_ is now known as cwayne [19:50] now how to make that file writable, change it and make it read only again? [19:51] google shows some scarry things that once you make the system writable it's not reversible === yorick_ is now known as yorick === slangase` is now known as slangasek [19:58] ugh found it: http://www.mibqyyo.com/en-articles/2015/11/13/ubuntu-touch-system-rw-bq-canonical-smartphones/#/vanilla/discussion/embed/?vanilla_discussion_id=0 [20:02] fw190d13: you can mount the partition rw to make a change, and then change it back, but updates may (will) overwrite any changes in the RO fs at some point [20:03] dobey: as I understand the next OTA will be a few months form now? so maybe it is worth to tinker it? [20:04] i don't know when updates will be released. i don't schedule them. :) [20:05] So does anybody know how to run the updates check from command line? [20:06] cliftonts: for system update, or for apps? [20:07] cliftonts: for system updates, system-image-cli is the tool; for app updates, there's no way to check for or install updates from CLI [20:07] I'm thinking one way to address my issue would be to let the updates overwrite whatever if wrong but the updates system is refusing to accept I have a connection. [20:08] Well I'm screwed. I have no idea how to restore my phone to working condition. I can't update, ssh in, or anything [20:08] dobey: I did: sudo touch /userdata/.writable_image then rebooted and the file is still read only in vi [20:09] fw190d13: don't do that. delete that file. [20:09] cliftonts: is dev mode enabled? and does adb work? === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [20:10] Yes and it seems to [20:10] dobey: OK I did: sudo rm /userdata/.writable_image [20:10] cliftonts: you can reflash using the recovery image and instructions on the devices wiki, over usb, from an ubuntu pc/vm [20:10] !devices | cliftonts [20:10] cliftonts: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [20:11] Presumably I will lose my installed apps but my pictures, videos etc will be unaffected? [20:11] cliftonts: something like ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --recovery-image krillin-recovery.img [20:11] cliftonts: no, installed apps also unaffected, unless you --wipe or try to flash from fastboot with --bootstrap [20:12] Ok, going for it [20:12] Hope you're right! lol [20:13] unless by "installed apps" you mean you changed / to rw and installed stuff with apt. that will indeed be overwritten [20:13] and if you did do that, it might explain the problems you're having [20:14] Oh no, the phone is as standard [20:15] Excellent. Now my phone is totally stuffed [20:15] fw190d13: you can "mount -o rmount,rw /" to get it writable, and then reboot or "mount -o remount,ro /" to get it readonly again [20:15] 2016/09/29 21:14:54 error pushing: [20:16] The phone is still running, is it safe to reboot and try again? [20:16] cliftonts: sure. if it failed to push data to the phone, then it didn't do anything [20:17] what was the error exactly? no space left on device? [20:17] No [20:17] Just what I posted, error pushing. [20:17] I retried but got this: [20:17] Expecting the device to expose an adb interface... [20:17] device cannot be detected over adb [20:18] dobey: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/root, [20:18] missing codepage or helper program, or other error [20:18] In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try [20:18] dmesg | tail or so. [20:18] ok, maybe the cable came loose or something [20:18] I think so [20:19] Working again [20:20] It just keeps failing with error pushing. [20:23] Looks like I may have an iffy usb port on the laptop [20:23] possible [20:31] Failed to enter recovery. What now? [20:31] It is sat with the splash screen and the progress bar about 95% done [20:36] dobey, it isn't entering recovery mode. Are there any other options. [20:40] thank you all for you patience and help - I will better wait for some system update which solves this somehow [20:45] cliftonts: did you grab the recovery image from the wiki and pass it as the recovery image to ubuntu-device-flash? [20:46] I used the command you gave me [20:46] What wiki [20:46] the one i pointed you at [20:46] !devices | cliftonts [20:46] cliftonts: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [20:47] there is a reocvery image you have to use when flashing the device. you need to grab the one listed for krillin [20:47] i'm surprised the command i gave you got that far, if you didn't have the recovery img [20:48] I have adjusted it slightly and I'm trying again [20:50] you say I have to grab the image, what am I supposed to do with it? Store it in the directory I'm running the command from? [20:50] yes, download it, and pass the path to the --recovery-image arg [20:52] ok, I'm working on it. Haven't done this for quite some time. I'm a bit rusty! [20:59] The link on that wiki is for source code. Is that what I want? I thought I needed an image file [21:09] cliftonts: no [21:09] dobey, nope I just can't get it to boot into recovery [21:09] cliftonts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash [21:09] I downloaded the image file and I am referencing it in the command but it just failed again [21:09] cliftonts: in the table in that section [21:10] hmm, ok. i don't know what could cause that then :-/ === diddledan_ is now known as diddledan [21:11] I used this command: ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --recovery-image recovery-krillin.img [21:11] with the recovery-krillin.img file in the directory [21:12] ok, that should work i would think [21:13] Well it's not. I am wondering if some sort of file system corruption could be at work here [21:15] it's not impossible [21:16] unfortunately i can't really provide any more help for you, and i can't poke at your phone myself of course, since you're not here and i'm not there. :-/ [21:21] Yes, the eternal problem. I'm really not sure what the next step is. I can't afford to be replacing it just yet and with the shortage of Ubuntu devices I'm not going back to android! [21:26] well to start, i'd say back up all your data off the device :) [21:27] I could always use the reset options within the settings app I suppose, or is that purely for wiping out user data and settings? [21:28] i don't recall what it does exactly [21:28] Worth a try [21:28] it may delete your data and installed apps, not sure [21:35] It's back working again but the touchscreen is unusable [21:36] Typing J was bringing up A, it just types gibberish. Though using a stylus it works ok === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === salem_ is now known as _salem