[00:01] <bumblehead> maybe this should be the phone I would look at? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0119IXOXG/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza
[00:07] <bumblehead> I don't know why ubuntu touch isn't starting to get popular now...
[00:07] <bumblehead> I've been using it for a few years and think it is really great
[00:07] <bumblehead> since OTA 11 its been stable for me on Nexus 4
[00:09] <bumblehead> I would like it if I could intall it install it on one of the new samsung devices that explode when the battery charges...
[08:15] <darkeye> Anybody else still have black and white emoji in his keyboard even after  OTA-13?
[08:15] <crushing-kit> hello all
[08:16] <darkeye> Hey
[08:19] <crushing-kit> it is possible to install UT on nokia lumia 720?
[08:20] <davmor2> crushing-kit: is that a windows phone
[08:20] <crushing-kit> ya
[08:22] <davmor2> crushing-kit: currently ubuntu touch sits atop the android kernel so almost certainly not but there maybe others that can confirm that theory
[08:25] <Mirv> marcusto_: sorry, one more time please https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2015/+packages - the ~4 packages. upstream changed their commit, and also community did some unrelated changes so a new build was required.
[08:48] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: testing
[08:57] <marcustomlinson> Mirv: Yeah, still looks good
[08:58] <Mirv> marcustomlinson: great, thanks again. hopefully this is now the final time a rebuild is needed.
[08:59] <marcustomlinson> np
[10:48] <MCMic> Since last update, keyboard layout are not consistent between keyboard indicator and keyboard settings
[10:49] <MCMic> The behaviour is really weird, if I click settings from the indicator, I have a list of layouts with one checked, if I click back, and then layout again I don’t see the same list
[10:49] <MCMic> I see other layouts which are checked
[11:24] <darkeye> MCMic :  Yes, That  is weird  it happens on my device too...
[11:32] <joc> ogra_: do you know where i can download historic core snaps so i can attempt to bisect an issue?
[11:34] <ogra_> joc, i keep a log for the daily snap builds at http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-core-builds/ ... note though that this only tracks the automatic daily builds, not any manual builds someone triggered directly in LP
[11:36] <joc> ogra_: understood, that looks great, thank you
[11:36] <joc> and apologies just realised this ended up on touch channel ;)
[11:39] <ogra_> heh
[11:41] <jgdx> artmello_, hey, do you recall any yakkety build issues for https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1797 ?
[11:41] <jgdx> or the last time you landed ubuntu-push
[11:51] <artmello_> jgdx: I do remember a couple of test issues on s390x and (not sure) arm64. But I think that was fixed
[12:02] <jgdx> artmello_, right, I found the reason though
[14:16] <fw190d13> hello
[14:17] <fw190d13> I'm thinking how to block ads in browser and found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/ubuntu-touch/help/adblock-ubuntu-touch-t3152706
[14:17] <fw190d13> they recomend dumping a hosts file into /etc/
[14:17] <fw190d13> but there are already 3 hosts files
[14:17] <fw190d13> hosts, hosts deny and hosts allow
[14:17] <k1l> well, that is how adblock works on android too. changing the hosts file
[14:17] <fw190d13> ok
[14:17] <fw190d13> so which should I change?
[14:19] <fw190d13> hosts deny or hosts?
[14:19] <darkeye> hosts
[14:19] <k1l> hosts
[14:20] <fw190d13> just paste the data from http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/ under the last line and I'm done?
[14:20] <the_Creamer> Hey guyz need an awesome book about Firewalls
[14:20] <the_Creamer> I mean link.
[14:21] <the_Creamer> Please anyone to refer me.
[14:24] <ogra_> the_Creamer, probably ask in #ubuntu-server .... this is the phone/tablet channel
[14:42] <fw190d13> how to edit the hosts file form within the phone? I have a hosts in my documents folder but can not delet or edit the original one
[14:43] <k1l> fw190d13: the german wiki got a howto: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Ubuntu_Touch/Erweiterte_Konfiguration/#Werbeblocker
[14:46] <fw190d13> k1l: thanks will look into it although my Germna is very poor ;)
[16:28] <dpm> Elleo, o/ bfiller asked me about installing Terminal and File Manager as a .deb and issues with dependencies and that I might want to ping you with my answer. It's essentially this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1625074/comments/2 (the paragraph before the last one)
[16:30] <Elleo> dpm: yeah, I just created this MR to sort out transitional packages from the module renaming: https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/ubuntu-terminal-app/fix-1628781/+merge/307172 :)
[16:36] <dpm> Elleo, thank you and approved :) I had hit that problem when I last upgraded Terminal, I've been using it on my desktop for a while
[16:40] <Elleo> dpm: great, thanks :)
[17:24] <MichalP> Hello, please I want ask you if is possible check in UT if there run any abnormal program or if UT sending any secret data? I am asking that I am using non-official  image and I am affraid if it is not hacked or something like this
[17:32] <dobey> MichalP: not really no. you'd have to check your wifi router and such, to see if it's communicating anywhere unexpected
[17:40] <MichalP> :( bad news, so it is time to anybody create firewall to UT :)
[17:42] <mcphail> MichalP: or don't run an operating system you don't trust...
[17:44] <MichalP> This is best idea, but I have not choice, I can use untrusted Ut or android, no way. I choice wrong phone :( (MX4)
[17:46] <MichalP> Problem is that I like UT too much and I am run on  it more then one year as primary phone, so I don't want leave from UT. But PRO5 is too expensive for me :(
[17:46] <dobey> MichalP: even if there were something in UT to do what you ask, if you're running a hacked version, it could easily be altered to give false results
[17:47] <dobey> MichalP: well if it works fine on your nexus 4, why can't you keep using that, updated from the trusted official channel?
[17:49] <MichalP> I already pass this phone to my daughter, she like Ut too, I have not heart take it back :(
[17:50] <MichalP> I really believe taht I can flash UT to MX4, but it was wrong idea
[17:52] <TheKit> MichalP, you can build image you can trust yourself then
[17:52] <TheKit> using scripts
[17:52] <MichalP> Which script?
[17:52] <MichalP> mean "launcher.sh" where you choice flash UT?
[17:53] <TheKit> https://yadi.sk/d/Xuvo0JXImWnQN
[17:53] <TheKit> dualboot_make_system_img.sh
[17:53] <TheKit> but I think you're being paranoid
[17:54] <TheKit> too much hassle to include something like this in image very few people are going to use
[17:54] <hamersaw> anybody have luck running an ubuntu phone on verizons network? i'm very interested in switching.
[17:56] <k1l> the OS is not limited to provider networks. its just a matter of the hardware and the used bandwiths
[17:56] <MichalP> I flashed files inside 20160913-OTA13
[17:57] <hamersaw> k1l: thanks, don't know much about it all. phase 1 then, find a bitching unlocked phone that works on verizon and can flash ubuntu.
[17:58] <MichalP> But I used image one week, and yesturday comes to my email russian email that I am in their forum etc, but I never login to russian forum or server, bcs I don't know Cyrillic and images are made by russian
[17:58] <MichalP> That is why I start be paranoid
[17:58] <dobey> hamersaw: only GSM works. CDMA does not
[17:59] <MichalP> Any way, return to script. If I will launch script it will download original image from UT?
[18:00] <MichalP> and flash?
[18:00] <dobey> hamersaw: so if you can get a GSM SIM card from verizon that works on their network, you can get a nexus 4 and flash ubuntu onto it for example
[18:05] <TheKit> MichalP, it's just going to build system.img
[18:05] <TheKit> no other magic
[18:05] <TheKit> *magick
[18:05] <TheKit> as for email, that could be random spam
[18:05] <TheKit> or someone specified your email by mistake
[18:08] <MichalP> So If I will use script, it will make sysmte.img from official source, swich I can replace in mx4_install_ubuntu_ota13-dualboot-20160913.zip and the should be ok?
[18:09] <MichalP> BTW do you know what id SWAP.img? I can't open it
[18:09] <MichalP> say me wrong FS
[18:10] <MichalP> it is something like swap partition?
[18:13] <hamersaw> dobey: thanks, doesn't look like it's overly difficult to get Verizon to do that.
[18:14] <dobey> hamersaw: or just save yourself some money and switch to t-mobile :)
[18:14] <hamersaw> dobey: i just took a look at their plans, the thing is i'm part of a family plan. so it isn't cheaper to switch myself over now.
[18:22] <fw190d13> I have tried to copy my hosts files with sudo cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts.orig  and got that system is read only
[18:22] <fw190d13> what to do now?
[18:22] <fw190d13> I don't want to mes the phone up as it is my daily driver
[18:27] <dobey> fw190d13: right, the root sysem is read-only. if you want to create a back-up, copy it somewhere writable, like ~/backup/ or something
[18:28] <fw190d13> dobey: can I copy w prepared on laptop hosts file to that location and replace the original one with this command?
[18:29] <dobey> i don't recall if the hosts file itself is writable or not, but that's easy enough to test
[18:29] <dobey> just try to add a comment to the existing file and see what happens
[18:30] <fw190d13> no native speaker here - what does "add a comment" mean?
[18:32] <dobey> lines that start with # in /etc/hosts are comments
[18:33] <dobey> or you can just try adding a blank line, if that's more understandable
[18:34] <fw190d13> roger that - is there a editor like leafpad on Ubuntu Touch?
[18:35] <fw190d13> or can I just do: sudo cp /home/phablet/documents/hosts /etc/hosts ?
[18:35] <fw190d13> and it will ask if I want to replace that file?
[18:36] <aiyion> the editor you may use is nano and commandline based.
[18:36] <aiyion> i suppose you modify the file on your own instead of replacing it.
[18:37] <MichalP> TheKit: You silent,  are you there or just I have stupid questions? I understand that I am amateur and I waste your time. I just don't know If I can wait for any answer or leave and try script and some wizard :)
[18:37] <TheKit> you didn't mention me, so I forgot to look here, sorry
 So If I will use script, it will make sysmte.img from official source, swich I can replace in mx4_install_ubuntu_ota13-dualboot-20160913.zip and the should be ok? - yes
[18:38] <MichalP> I see, I every time forgot add name, sorry
 it is something like swap partition? - yes
[18:38] <fw190d13> aiyion: nano is evil, comand line is evil ;)
[18:39] <MichalP> TheKit: so when I use script, then make system.img, so then I will replace system.img in zip?
[18:39] <MichalP> TheKit: mx4_install_ubuntu_ota13-dualboot-20160913.zip
[18:39] <dobey> fw190d13: vi is installed by default, you can use it from terminal app
[18:41] <TheKit> I didn't try it myself, since I don't have MX4, but it should work this way
[18:43] <fw190d13> dobey: OK I will try vi but how to use arrows in terminal? the keyboard has no arrows
[18:45] <dobey> fw190d13: one of the command toolbar things has arrows, iirc
[18:45] <MichalP> TheKit:Ok, I will try this way. Many thanks for your time and care about me. Really many thanks.
[18:45] <TheKit> too early to say thanks, but no problem :)
[18:46] <aiyion> fw190d13: prefer vim over all, but was not ready for a flame war :D
[18:47] <fw190d13> aiyion: again me nt beeing a native speaker s the reason of confusion - I can do from terimnal apt-get update and that would be it vi / nano/ whatever is black magick - reading about it right now
[18:49] <aiyion> whatever you do, make a backup and be safe :P
[18:49] <fw190d13> or be ready to reflash... yet agian ;)
[18:50] <fw190d13> again
[18:51] <dobey> fw190d13: you really should not be doing apt-get update/etc in the terminal (and you can't with read-only root fs anyway)
[18:51] <fw190d13> dobey: I meant that I can do it and do on my laptop and that is the whole knowledge of my terminal ;)
[18:51] <aiyion> don't get it, why would you update anything?
[18:52] <aiyion> enable write mode, change file, rmeount in readonly , be fine.
[18:53] <fw190d13> ok gents - this is to much for me - can I somehow plug in the cable do it form my laptop and paste that file to the right place?
[18:53] <aiyion> think so. yes.
[18:54] <aiyion> read about adb
[18:54] <fw190d13> ok
[18:54] <fw190d13> will do
[18:57] <fw190d13> is there sens to fill a bug/request about it? I mean rodinary users like me can't realy use the browser as those nasty adds pop up everywhere - maybe this could be fixed someow by an addon?
[18:58] <dobey> fw190d13: use the phablet-shell tool from phablet-tools
[18:59] <dobey> there is probably a bug about there being no ad blocker for the browser, but i am not 100% sure on that
[18:59] <popey> almost certainly
[18:59] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1491253  is one
[19:00] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1497210 is the main one
[19:07] <fw190d13> popey: adblocking is high prority ;) without it sites load like crap even with the 2 GB and this fancy CPU on my nexus 4 it feels like Nokia N900
[19:10] <popey> if you say so :)
[19:12] <dobey> IME, even with blocked ads, sites still load like crap, because they have so much junk in them these days
[19:12] <cliftonts> Hi guys, I'm having real issues with my phone tonight on OTA13, it is essentially unusable. Has anyone reported having no access to networking at all?
[19:12] <dobey> g+ is like literally a big blob of javascript and json
[19:13] <davmor2> cliftonts: not that I am aware of and it is working fine here
[19:14] <fw190d13> dobey: you are right but those damn things are hard to close even on desktop without adblocking...
[19:14] <cliftonts> Mid afternoon I was replying to texts and suddenly every key press the keyboard vanishes
[19:15] <davmor2> cliftonts: nope no issues like that either
[19:15] <fw190d13> popey: well I'm lobbying for a better experience of novice Ubuntu Touch users right now
[19:15] <cliftonts> Sometimes the keypress triggers a backspace first, making it impossible to complete a sentence and eventually it did a mini reboot showing the splash screen and then returning me to where I was
[19:15] <fw190d13> popey: that is why adblokig is highly needed
[19:16] <cliftonts> The dialer now half the time shows no details and won't let me put the phone down and after rebooting I have no networking at all.
[19:16] <cliftonts> I have manually connected to my wifi using cli but updates refuses to accept I have a connection.
[19:16] <cliftonts> The networking indicator is now displayed as indicator-network in the list and is empty.
[19:17] <davmor2> cliftonts: what phone is this it sound like the system is completely borked
[19:17] <dobey> that sounds like indicator-network failed to start
[19:17] <cliftonts> E4.5, it was working perfectly up until 4pm today
[19:17] <cliftonts> I have rebooted dobey but it doesn't change.
[19:18] <dobey> cliftonts: is the storage full?
[19:18] <cliftonts> Is there any way to manually punt the indicator-network online or is there any way to do updates via cli?
[19:18] <cliftonts> Storage 1.6gb free apparently
[19:19] <cliftonts> What the hell is 8coupons and why is it installed??
[19:23] <davmor2> cliftonts: it is an online scope that show vouchers available for stuff
[19:23] <cliftonts> Probably, but I digress. I really need to figure out what has fallen flat and how to put it back upright again.
[19:25] <dobey> cliftonts: "start indicator-network" in temrinal should start it
[19:25] <cliftonts> I wonder why it isn't starting on its own
[19:25] <dobey> don't know. should be a log about that somewhere in ~/.cache/upstart/ i think
[19:25] <dobey> forget which file it's actually in though
[19:26] <cliftonts> I'll have a poke around
[19:28] <cliftonts> I have attempted to ssh into my phone using the sdk but it says 'unable to find a shell'
[19:28] <popey> fw190d13: I get it
[19:30] <cliftonts> dobey - job is already running: incicator-network
[19:30] <fw190d13> popey: does that mean that you are just right at this very moment texting Mark to speed things up ;))))))))))))))
[19:31] <popey> no :)
[19:32] <dobey> cliftonts: try "restart indicator-network" then
[19:33] <cliftonts> no change. I have found a website detailing the networking, it lists multiple programs involved in the process so it may be that the indicator is working but something else is dead
[19:37] <cliftonts> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23252595
[19:50] <fw190d13> ok jokes aside - I have managed to connect the phone with adb, I'm in the phones command line, opened the hosts file with vi for testing
[19:50] <fw190d13> now how to make that file writable, change it and make it read only again?
[19:51] <fw190d13> google shows some scarry things that once you make the system writable it's not reversible
[19:58] <fw190d13> ugh found it: http://www.mibqyyo.com/en-articles/2015/11/13/ubuntu-touch-system-rw-bq-canonical-smartphones/#/vanilla/discussion/embed/?vanilla_discussion_id=0
[20:02] <dobey> fw190d13: you can mount the partition rw to make a change, and then change it back, but updates may (will) overwrite any changes in the RO fs at some point
[20:03] <fw190d13> dobey: as I understand the next OTA will be a few months form now? so maybe it is worth to tinker it?
[20:04] <dobey> i don't know when updates will be released. i don't schedule them. :)
[20:05] <cliftonts> So does anybody know how to run the updates check from command line?
[20:06] <dobey> cliftonts: for system update, or for apps?
[20:07] <dobey> cliftonts: for system updates, system-image-cli is the tool; for app updates, there's no way to check for or install updates from CLI
[20:07] <cliftonts> I'm thinking one way to address my issue would be to let the updates overwrite whatever if wrong but the updates system is refusing to accept I have a connection.
[20:08] <cliftonts> Well I'm screwed. I have no idea how to restore my phone to working condition. I can't update, ssh in, or anything
[20:08] <fw190d13> dobey: I did: sudo touch /userdata/.writable_image then rebooted and the file is still read only in vi
[20:09] <dobey> fw190d13: don't do that. delete that file.
[20:09] <dobey> cliftonts: is dev mode enabled? and does adb work?
[20:10] <cliftonts> Yes and it seems to
[20:10] <fw190d13> dobey: OK I did: sudo rm /userdata/.writable_image
[20:10] <dobey> cliftonts: you can reflash using the recovery image and instructions on the devices wiki, over usb, from an ubuntu pc/vm
[20:10] <dobey> !devices | cliftonts
[20:11] <cliftonts> Presumably I will lose my installed apps but my pictures, videos etc will be unaffected?
[20:11] <dobey> cliftonts: something like ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --recovery-image krillin-recovery.img
[20:11] <dobey> cliftonts: no, installed apps also unaffected, unless you --wipe or try to flash from fastboot with --bootstrap
[20:12] <cliftonts> Ok, going for it
[20:12] <cliftonts> Hope you're right! lol
[20:13] <dobey> unless by "installed apps" you mean you changed / to rw and installed stuff with apt. that will indeed be overwritten
[20:13] <dobey> and if you did do that, it might explain the problems you're having
[20:14] <cliftonts> Oh no, the phone is as standard
[20:15] <cliftonts> Excellent. Now my phone is totally stuffed
[20:15] <dobey> fw190d13: you can "mount -o rmount,rw /" to get it writable, and then reboot or "mount -o remount,ro /" to get it readonly again
[20:15] <cliftonts> 2016/09/29 21:14:54 error pushing:
[20:16] <cliftonts> The phone is still running, is it safe to reboot and try again?
[20:16] <dobey> cliftonts: sure. if it failed to push data to the phone, then it didn't do anything
[20:17] <dobey> what was the error exactly? no space left on device?
[20:17] <cliftonts> No
[20:17] <cliftonts> Just what I posted, error pushing.
[20:17] <cliftonts> I retried but got this:
[20:17] <cliftonts> Expecting the device to expose an adb interface...
[20:17] <cliftonts> device cannot be detected over adb
[20:18] <fw190d13> dobey: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/root,
[20:18] <fw190d13>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[20:18] <fw190d13>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[20:18] <fw190d13>        dmesg | tail or so.
[20:18] <dobey> ok, maybe the cable came loose or something
[20:18] <cliftonts> I think so
[20:19] <cliftonts> Working again
[20:20] <cliftonts> It just keeps failing with error pushing.
[20:23] <cliftonts> Looks like I may have an iffy usb port on the laptop
[20:23] <dobey> possible
[20:31] <cliftonts> Failed to enter recovery. What now?
[20:31] <cliftonts> It is sat with the splash screen and the progress bar about 95% done
[20:36] <cliftonts> dobey, it isn't entering recovery mode. Are there any other options.
[20:40] <fw190d13> thank you all for you patience and help - I will better wait for some system update which solves this somehow
[20:45] <dobey> cliftonts: did you grab the recovery image from the wiki and pass it as the recovery image to ubuntu-device-flash?
[20:46] <cliftonts> I used the command you gave me
[20:46] <cliftonts> What wiki
[20:46] <dobey> the one i pointed you at
[20:46] <dobey> !devices | cliftonts
[20:47] <dobey> there is a reocvery image you have to use when flashing the device. you need to grab the one listed for krillin
[20:47] <dobey> i'm surprised the command i gave you got that far, if you didn't have the recovery img
[20:48] <cliftonts> I have adjusted it slightly and I'm trying again
[20:50] <cliftonts> you say I have to grab the image, what am I supposed to do with it?  Store it in the directory I'm running the command from?
[20:50] <dobey> yes, download it, and pass the path to the --recovery-image arg
[20:52] <cliftonts> ok, I'm working on it. Haven't done this for quite some time. I'm a bit rusty!
[20:59] <cliftonts> The link on that wiki is for source code. Is that what I want? I thought I needed an image file
[21:09] <dobey> cliftonts: no
[21:09] <cliftonts> dobey, nope I just can't get it to boot into recovery
[21:09] <dobey> cliftonts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash
[21:09] <cliftonts> I downloaded the image file and I am referencing it in the command but it just failed again
[21:09] <dobey> cliftonts: in the table in that section
[21:10] <dobey> hmm, ok. i don't know what could cause that then :-/
[21:11] <cliftonts> I used this command: ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --recovery-image recovery-krillin.img
[21:11] <cliftonts> with the recovery-krillin.img file in the directory
[21:12] <dobey> ok, that should work i would think
[21:13] <cliftonts> Well it's not. I am wondering if some sort of file system corruption could be at work here
[21:15] <dobey> it's not impossible
[21:16] <dobey> unfortunately i can't really provide any more help for you, and i can't poke at your phone myself of course, since you're not here and i'm not there. :-/
[21:21] <cliftonts> Yes, the eternal problem. I'm really not sure what the next step is. I can't afford to be replacing it just yet and with the shortage of Ubuntu devices I'm not going back to android!
[21:26] <dobey> well to start, i'd say back up all your data off the device :)
[21:27] <cliftonts> I could always use the reset options within the settings app I suppose, or is that purely for wiping out user data and settings?
[21:28] <dobey> i don't recall what it does exactly
[21:28] <cliftonts> Worth a try
[21:28] <dobey> it may delete your data and installed apps, not sure
[21:35] <cliftonts> It's back working again but the touchscreen is unusable
[21:36] <cliftonts> Typing J was bringing up A, it just types gibberish. Though using a stylus it works ok