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[06:56] <ventrical> goodmorning all
[07:09] <ventrical> any news on the state of unity8 desktop?
[07:11] <RAOF> You can boot it?
[07:12] <ventrical> yeahh .. from yakkety .. but it freezes up , no apps store .. on and on..
[07:13] <RAOF> Oh, it doesn't freeze for me.
[07:13] <RAOF> But yeah, lack of app store does make it a *little* bit useless ;)
[07:13] <ventrical> are you using ppa?
[07:13] <RAOF> No, yakkety.
[07:13] <ventrical> yakkety without ppa
[07:13] <RAOF> Yup.
[07:14] <ventrical> so you have libertine working?
[07:14] <RAOF> Ish.
[07:14] <RAOF> The scope installed, and I could manually futz with libertine containers.
[07:15] <RAOF> But the libertine app is... in the app store :)
[07:15] <ventrical> I have 5 installs and they are all broken now after updating
[07:19]  * duflu checks U8
[07:19] <ventrical> just go here and read this thread    https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2338477&p=13550980#post13550980
[07:20] <duflu> ventrical: Don't be afraid to go straight to the source. You will get in contact with Unity8 developers without hours:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+filebug
[07:20] <duflu> *within hours* :)
[07:22] <ventrical> I aready have been in contact with sabdfl and others .. but they no longer reply to queries about unity8
[07:22] <duflu> ventrical: That's not entirely surprising. sabdfl is busy and has a lot to do. You should log a bug formally above
[07:23] <duflu> So that the people who can fix it will be informed ASAP
[07:23] <ventrical> I have already logged several bugs on unity8.libertine. There has been a lot of action and fix releases but unity8 keeps deprecating with each update.
[07:25] <duflu> ventrical: If not already please ensure your bug reports have unity8 tasks. Probably the biggest problem we face in delays fixing bugs is incorrectly reported bugs never finding their way to the right team
[07:25] <ventrical> I kno wMArk is busy .. but I just want to know if they are going to scrap unity8 this cycle because Ubuntu Development Version Testing  is wasitng time testing a non working desktop
[07:26] <ventrical> I am not complaining about bug fixes or launchpad .. I just wnat to know why  unity8 is deprecating this late in the cycle.
[07:26] <duflu> U8 is not going to be default, but very unlikely to be scrapped. Regressions are usually not too difficult to track down and almost always not Unity8's fault. Usually the problems are lower level distro issues
[07:27] <duflu> ventrical: I agree with your frustration. It's good to be angry, if we are angry in the right direction...
[07:27] <ventrical> Yes.. I understand that unity8 will not be default
[07:28] <duflu> ventrical: Can you post the links to your bug reports -- I will push them to the right teams
[07:29] <ventrical> well of course I am just trying to look out for the interest for my team as team admin.  as far as unity8 is going it is failing and so the failure relects on me .. and perhaps I should apss on the team captainship to someone more capable.
[07:30] <ventrical> all the bug reports I have files have been fixed or fixes commited.
[07:33] <ventrical> my basic complaint is that I just need to know  if unity8 will be working in a usable state as it was about 7 weeks ago. As it stands now it is a non working desktop and so I want to advise the development version testing team to take up other tasks in testing other flavours
[07:36] <duflu> ventrical: From what I've seen part of the problem is that the developers have been suggested to use xenial and the overlay PPA. So our own developers are not noticing when yakkety stops working
[07:36]  * duflu finds one related bug report and creates another
[07:37] <ventrical> as I have said I have 5 working installs .. some ppa , some non ppa . some xenial , other yakkety. using the ppa this late in the cycle is not what we want to test I am writing a report at launchpad atm
[07:41] <duflu> OK, pick a bug (depends on if you have Libertine and what you do/don't see):
[07:41] <duflu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1627759
[07:41] <duflu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1628805
[07:41] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1627759 in unity-scope-click (Ubuntu) "Blank app scope" [Critical,In progress]
[07:41] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1628805 in unity-scope-click (Ubuntu) "Apps Scope: No app store button" [High,New]
[07:48] <ventrical> <duflu> ok.. I'll check one of my xenial installs
[07:48] <duflu> Boo
[07:49]  * duflu just noticed three whole continents missing in the Browser icon
[07:50] <duflu> I admit it boggles my mind how we continue to push changes to an immenent release so late, so consistently every cycle
[07:50]  * duflu would prefer just longer/fewer cycles
[07:55] <ventrical> <duflu>  thans for those launchpad links .. yes .. that is exactly what is happening .. so I guess they are being worked on
[07:56] <duflu> ventrical: Yeah one in progress. The other one I now own so will be notified of whenever something happens
[07:57] <ventrical> I filed a complaint ....   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1628807
[07:57] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1628807 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "why is unity8 broken this late in the cycle" [Undecided,New]
[08:00] <ventrical> so there are some of us who had working boxes with yakkety, non ppa, and then they just got ripped of all their scopes. We have had a lot of breakage in oast cycles with unity7 but not this late in the cycle but perhaps this will be par for the course with unity8. I understand the difficulties in weaving all this code together..s
[08:01] <ventrical> hi Will ... unity8 is broken in yakkety fter the beta1 release of Sept.28 amd64.iso.  Will we have the scopes and apps store back any time soon?
[08:02] <duflu> I'm not sure that's willcooke's bag but anyway...
[08:02] <duflu>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1627759
[08:02] <duflu>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1628805
[08:02] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1627759 in unity-scope-click (Ubuntu) "Blank app scope" [Critical,In progress]
[08:02] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1628805 in unity-scope-click (Ubuntu) "Apps Scope: No app store button" [High,Confirmed]
[08:03] <willcooke> just in a meeting, will check in a sec, but looks like an alecu thing
[08:06] <robinhero> hey guys. how can I install the terminal app in Ubuntu 16.04 Unity8? There's no Software Center in the latest image
[08:07] <ventrical> i'm hanging around for a bit. 4:00am in Canada .. i have a quick errand brb
[08:08] <davmor2> robinhero: there is no terminal app for unity8 desktop currently iirc you can however get the version from mhall119 blogpost and install that
[08:08] <ventrical> <robinhero> it is currently systemic atm
[08:09] <ventrical> some testers are trying to get away from the ppa.  We would have hoped all components would be in the yakkety repos and ppa would not be needed this late in the cycle
[08:09] <robinhero> davmor2, And how can I install this click without a terinal? :)
[08:10] <davmor2> robinhero: wget it and install it from tty
[08:10] <ventrical> you do it in unity7 terminal or Ctrl+Alt+F1 cli
[08:10] <davmor2> robinhero: or from the unity7 session
[08:10] <ventrical> yeah
[08:10] <robinhero> ah, it's that easy :)
[08:10] <robinhero> thanks
[08:12] <robinhero> davmor2, MIME type 'application/x-click' not supported com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.170_multi.click
[08:12] <davmor2> robinhero: did you follow mhall119 instructions
[08:13] <davmor2> robinhero: http://mhall119.com/2016/05/dogfooding-unity-8/
[08:13] <robinhero> Cannot install /com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.170_multi.click: Framework "ubuntu-sdk-15.04.3" not present on system (use --force-missing-framework option to override)
[08:14] <davmor2> robinhero: you have installed the overlay ppa right?
[08:15] <robinhero> yes: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ci-train-ppa-service-ubuntu-stable-phone-overlay-xenial.list
[08:17] <davmor2> robinhero: and what command are you using to install the terminal click
[08:18] <robinhero> sudo click install --user robinhero com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.170_multi.click
[08:19] <willcooke> ventrical, duflu - back from meeting and read the backlog... we won't support Clicks in 16.10 on classic desktop.  Everything is moving to snaps.  To that end some fixes are in progress to update the apps-scope.  The click store will not make an appearance by default in 16.10.
[08:19] <davmor2> robinhero: do click list
[08:24] <ventrical> <willcooke>  ok .. thanks for the update. Much appreciated.
[08:25] <robinhero> davmor2, there's an older version: com.ubuntu.filemanager  0.4.562
[08:25] <robinhero> but I can't see it in the Dash in Unity8
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[10:52] <om26er> Hi! Is there a way I can query from unity8 if a pointer(Mouse) is connected or not ?
[10:54] <om26er> OR where does unity8 query for the presence of a pointer to show switch to 'Desktop Mode'. I would like for autopilot to use a similar approach as well
[11:10] <om26er> I'll ask again as it seems there was some kind of netsplit.
[11:10] <om26er> What does unity8 query to determine if it should switch to a Touch or Pointer friendly UI. I need to implement something inspired by the same mechanism for autopilot.
[11:39] <ltinkl> om26er, see OrientedShell.qml, around line 100: readonly property int pointerInputDevices: miceModel.count + touchPadModel.count
[11:39] <ltinkl> om26er, and function calculateUsageMode() and its usages
[11:40] <alecu> hello...
[11:41] <om26er> ltinkl, thanks, taking a look into that
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[13:52] <mterry> Is there an easy replacement for ./run.sh (with no -f for mocks)?
[13:52] <mterry> I miss it
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[14:57] <bregma> mterry, regarding https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8-desktop-session/session-lightdm/+merge/300129 -- are you planning to land silo 1679?  I have a unity8-desktop-session dilo on the go I could land the MP in sooner
[15:00] <mterry> bregma: I'm not planning to land my other code imminently, and that u8-desktop-session branch should go in at the same time.  So don't worry about landing it yet (though a review would be good)
[15:01] <mterry> But not urgent
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[17:02] <SOSchown> WATTA fuck!!! Unity 8 not work true!?! NOT terminal of fail menedjer, amazing not work korekt, my system down of Unity 8:-( !???!!
[17:02] <SOSchown> I testng shock!!!
[17:46] <robinhero> Hey guys, I've installed Ubuntu 16.10 with Unity8 on my desktop machine (Nvidia) with the open driver. But the system completely freezes out If I open the webbrowser. I can't even login to the tty. It's totally frozen. It works well if I don't open the webbrower. And idea?
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[18:21] <dandrader> robinhero, not sure if mir supports nvidia already
[18:21] <dandrader> robinhero, better ask in #ubuntu-mir
[18:40] <robinhero> dandrader, as I know the open driver is supported
[19:24] <ventrical> robinhero  yes .. that is a systemic problem wityh nVidia.. it is why I came here in the first place .. looking for answers.  Even with nouveau it will freeze on nVidia set
[19:25] <ventrical> unity8 was very successful on nVidia set about 8 weeks ago.. it worked awesomely.
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