[00:12] <jbicha> happyaron: good morning, do you want to review https://paste.gnome.org/poyjfrmly
[00:29] <happyaron> jbicha: I'm fine with these change
[01:46] <jbicha> happyaron: ok, if you commit to git, I'll upload to yakkety
[01:49] <jbicha> I think the "files were not installed by accident" refers to gnome-software's /usr/share/appdata/org.gnome.Software.appdata.xml
[01:50] <jbicha> the -X.a rule kept that file from being installed
[02:17] <happyaron> jbicha: applied to git, thanks!
[02:18] <jbicha> happyaron: thanks, uploaded
[02:19] <happyaron> great
[04:55] <hikiko_> hello
[08:01] <flexiondotorg> Morning
[08:01] <Laney> BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[08:03] <willcooke> Friday!
[08:03] <willcooke> (already)
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> Sunny and blue sky here today.
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> Morning walk in a t-shirt :-)
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, Laney o/
[08:03] <willcooke> yay!
[08:04] <willcooke> It was similar here, quite fresh, but nice
[08:04] <Laney> ahou
[08:04] <Laney> y
[08:04] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:04] <willcooke> tis good- thanks flexiondotorg and Laney for sorting Mark's request yesterday
[08:04] <didrocks> hey hey desktop guys! :)
[08:04] <didrocks> even better, friday desktop guys!
[08:05] <willcooke> morning didrocks, ca va?.
[08:05] <didrocks> willcooke: very well, yourself? :)
[08:05] <willcooke> ca va!
[08:05] <didrocks> thanks for speaking French, due to the lack of seb and pitti! :)
[08:05]  * didrocks feels at home
[08:06] <willcooke> :))
[08:07] <flexiondotorg> didrocks, Morning
[08:07] <didrocks> hey flexiondotorg!
[08:10] <pitti> didrocks: bonjour mon ami, comment vas-tu aujourd'hui ? :-)
[08:10] <pitti> didrocks: la conférence commence, donc je suis sur IRC à nouveau :)
[08:11]  * pitti essaie à parler plus de français
[08:12] <didrocks> bonjour pitti! Ça va, et toi ? :) Bonne conférence sur systemd!
[08:12]  * larsu says something in French
[08:13] <pitti> didrocks: merci ! j'ai déjà fait mon prèsentation hier, donc aujourd'hui est plus facile :)
[08:14] <pitti> j'aime bien rester chez larsu !
[08:14] <didrocks> \o/
[08:14] <didrocks> larsu: "quelque chose" :)
[08:14] <didrocks> this larsu guy! If only he was around on IRC… :)
[08:15] <Laney> guten morgen didrocks
[08:15]  * didrocks is *now* lost in translation
[08:16] <didrocks> ni hao Laney!
[08:17]  * Laney meows
[08:18] <didrocks> there are only 5 people in the world who can understand the last sentence implication ^
[08:18]  * didrocks feels priviledged
[08:19] <Laney> the top 1% of the top 1% of the top 1% of the top 1%
[08:19]  * Laney greets didrocks with the secret handshake
[08:20] <didrocks> ahah
[08:21] <Laney> ("la la la LA LA la la la LA LA")
[08:21] <didrocks> noooooooooooooooo
[08:21] <didrocks> too late
[08:21] <didrocks> in my head for the day
[08:21] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:21] <didrocks> THANKS Laney!
[08:22] <Laney> :D
[08:22] <Laney> NOW it's a happy friday!
[08:22] <Laney> hi pitti!
[08:22] <Laney> having fun being a berliner?
[08:22] <willcooke> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5hrUGFhsXo
[08:22] <larsu> haha bonjour didrocks!
[08:22]  * pitti tosses in 8 new armhf workers on scalingstack to counteract Mirv's "two Qt a day" :)
[08:22] <larsu> Laney: yes, always
[08:22] <pitti> Laney: I do, thanks!
[08:22] <larsu> (I assumed this question was directed at me, too)
[08:22] <didrocks> ah, that video
[08:23] <willcooke> natch
[08:23] <didrocks> larsu showed it to me a long time ago :)
[08:23] <didrocks> BIBLIOTHEQUE!
[08:23]  * Laney hugs larsu 
[08:23] <Laney> your loyalty is unquestionable
[08:23] <larsu> ah I want to see that now!
[08:23] <larsu> speaker, can you pause for a second?
[08:23]  * larsu hugs Laney back
[08:23] <willcooke> bœuf
[08:23] <Mirv> pitti: great! :)
[08:24] <didrocks> the worst is that their accent is quite good
[08:53] <Trevinho> hey pitti could you please approve this SRU https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=libdbusmenu ?
[09:25] <ximion> Laney: I would like to do an asgen release next Sunday, do you see any blockers?
[09:25] <ximion> (crashes count ^^)
[09:25] <larsu> Trevinho: is pitti the only guy in the world who can do this?
[09:25] <larsu> (he's standing next to me right now talking to people ;) )
[09:25] <ximion> Laney: or are the issues gone with LDC now? (if so, I'll report that back to the thread on D.learn)
[09:26] <Trevinho> larsu: no, and there's no rush... But a good one! :-)
[09:32] <Laney> err
[09:32] <Laney> did ximion quit?
[09:32] <ximion> Laney: I'm back now
[09:32] <ximion> stupid connection with stupid captive portal
[09:32] <Laney> I was like xi TAB TABT ABTABTABTBATB
[09:32] <Laney> WHY DOESN'T IT WORK
[09:33] <Laney> then I threw my lapto out of the window in a rage
[09:33] <Laney> so I had to go to the shop and get a new one
[09:33] <Laney> and on the way I got eaten by a giant whale
[09:33] <Laney> but luckily there is wifi inside the whale
[09:33] <ximion> and network with static IPs, so currently I have one IP for three devices (and need to decide which one gets internet, and that's $work_device right now, not $personal_laptop ^^)
[09:34] <ximion> even whales have better and free wifi than we do in Germany :-/
[09:34] <Laney> ooh weird
[09:34] <Laney> one log has this
[09:34] <Laney> ==> 30_0600.log <==
[09:34] <Laney> ffffffffff600000-ffffffffff601000 r-xp 00000000 00:00 0                  [vsyscall]
[09:34] <Laney> 2016-09-30 06:31:15 - ERROR: Disabled feature `optimizePNGSize`: The `optipng` binary was not found.
[09:34] <Laney> 2016-09-30 06:31:15 - INFO: Cleaning up left over temporary data.
[09:34] <Laney> 2016-09-30 06:31:15 - INFO: Collecting information.
[09:34] <Laney> Aborted (core dumped)
[09:35] <ximion> Laney: wat
[09:35] <Laney> also, oops, the website isn't syncing
[09:35]  * Laney checks why that is
[09:35] <ximion> btw, apparently rsvg uses fontconfig in the background, which was leading to awesome crashes when I was changing the FC context when rendering fonts
[09:36] <ximion> I wonder if there are also interferences when not changing the context and just using it from multiple threads
[09:36] <Laney> rsync: readlink_stat("/logs" (in www)) failed: Too many levels of symbolic links (40)
[09:37] <ximion> heh
[09:42] <Laney> ximion: http://appstream.staging.ubuntu.com/logs/2016/09/30_0600.log
[09:42] <Laney> not that helpful
[09:44] <ximion> Laney: gdb would be helpful on that...
[09:44] <ximion> could always be that the database is busted
[09:44] <ximion> I have never seen this issue, but that doesn't mean anything
 Laney: gdb would be helpful on that...
[09:44] <ximion> [11:43] <ximion> could always be that the database is busted
[09:44] <ximion> [11:44] <ximion> I have never seen this issue, but that doesn't mean anything
[09:45] <Laney> it worked after
[09:45] <ximion> Laney: btw, https://forum.dlang.org/thread/tgypnluirhwmeqwuzcgb@forum.dlang.org has some helpful advice on how to deal with the GC and C code, but I always followed that anyway or it doesn't apply
[09:46] <ximion> so, potential memory-leaky bugs might be in the only component I haven't looked at: The GIR bindings
[09:47] <Laney> mmm
[09:48] <ximion> Laney: LMDB is on ext4? Not on some weird FS...
[09:48] <ximion> oh
[09:48] <ximion> "Do not have open an LMDB database twice in the same process at the same time. Not even from a plain open() call - close()ing it breaks flock() advisory locking."
[09:48] <ximion> we violate that with ContentsStore
[09:49] <ximion> apart from that, all Caveats shouldn't apply http://lmdb.tech/doc/
[09:51] <Laney> nothing weird on the system
[09:51] <ximion> I will change the ContentsStore to being shared by all threads again when I'm back home
[09:51] <Laney> yeah moving ContentsStore to the class would be a godod idea anyway
[09:51] <ximion> reopening it every time was a failed optimization anyway
[09:53] <Laney> otherwise, why not wait until ldc is fixed in debian before releasing?
[09:55] <ximion> Laney: because others are using asgen too ;-) - and I compile it for Debian with a recent LDC already
[09:56] <ximion> but yeah, we could wait for LDC just as well, and then maybe even make asgen LDC-only...
[09:57] <Laney> then you can default to it at least
[09:57] <ximion> btw, the Debian blocker bug was promoted to A-blocker: https://github.com/ldc-developers/ldc/issues/1774 - I hope someone is working on it
[09:57] <ximion> of course the bisect returned one of the largest patches in the Git history as the culprit ^^
[09:59] <ximion> looks like a pretty tricky issue, unfortunately
[09:59] <Laney> ya, saw that
[09:59] <Laney> fun
[10:00] <ximion> in general, when it's not a Git snapshot, the LDC quality is pretty good, I now think it's much better than GDCs overall
[10:00] <ximion> (more people are working on LDC, so...)
[10:37] <Laney> Trevinho: looks like gnome-terminal isn't being matched in yakkety again :-/ could you look when you get some time please?
[10:38] <Trevinho> yeah, altough my yakkety VM broke... need a new one :-/
[10:38] <Laney> O_O
[10:39] <Trevinho> Laney: not sure what happens, but once I boot, when lightdm starts CPU starts spinning... Like forever
[10:39] <Trevinho> Laney: I can't connect to SSH; see anythging from tty1... So I can't either see antyhing in top
[10:39] <Trevinho> and underastand what's using all my beloved cores
[10:48] <ximion> Laney: btw, you could of course demote the error for invalid metadata licenses to a warning, but fixing the stuff would be just as easy, I think
[10:48] <ximion> (except for gnome-terminal, where the maintainer is weird)
[10:51] <Laney> ximion: mmm, I would rather you as person pushing for the change would write bugs at least for gnome upstreams
[10:51] <Laney> I think it's bogus but I also don't really want to deviate on it
[10:53] <ximion> Laney: it's definitely bogus in Europe, but I have no idea about legal stuff in other countries, so IMHO it's better to have it explicitly than not having it
[10:54] <ximion> I will file bugs
[10:54] <ximion> and as soon as the new AppStream logo is out, there will be another blogpost about it
[10:54] <ximion> also on Planet GNOME then :)
[10:54]  * ximion still needs to file a subscription request though
[10:55] <Laney> heh
[10:55] <Laney> who made the new logo?
[10:59]  * Laney puts some Rancid on and sponsors libreoffice
[11:04] <ricotz> Laney, hi, are there plans to backport appstream 0.10 to xenial
[11:04] <Laney> ricotz: yes
[11:04] <ricotz> officially or just in backports?
[11:04] <Laney> what does officially mean?
[11:05] <ricotz> I mean as in -updates/-proposed
[11:05] <Laney> nope
[11:05] <Laney> it's a transition for one
[11:06] <ricotz> I see, so -backports will be required to use it
[11:07] <ricotz> Laney, on the regard did you look why "dub" is failing on e.g arm64
[11:07] <Laney> nope
[11:08] <ricotz> ok
[11:08] <ximion> Laney: https://plus.google.com/+KenVermette/posts/dK8ZXZriLmV - Ken Vermette
[11:08] <ximion> was a kind of accidential result of this year's Akademy ^^
[11:08] <Laney> ricotz: sorry, I just cared about using it
[11:08] <Laney> and it'll probably be using meson before too long
[11:09] <ximion> but after seeing the old AppStream logo in other people's presentation, I noticed how ugly it *really* is ^^ - the new one looks better, while having no direct meaning :P
[11:09] <Laney> heh
[11:09] <Laney> I wondered what the water was about
[11:09] <ximion> ricotz: if you want, I can take a quick look at whatever problem there is
[11:09] <ricotz> Laney, don't worry, jumping on the meson wagon still seems to early ;)
[11:09] <ximion> Laney: that's the "stream" - the designers liked that metaphor for metadata for some reason ^^
[11:10] <Laney> haha
[11:10] <Laney> you should put a dam at the end
[11:10] <Laney> called the "stable release"
[11:10] <ricotz> ximion, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dub
[11:11] <ricotz> ximion, which is required for appstream-generator but fails on some archs
[11:11] <Laney> that reminds me to sync meson
[11:12] <ricotz> Laney, should be up2date
[11:12] <Laney> nein
[11:12] <ricotz> oh, stimmt
[11:13] <Laney> authors.txt
[11:13] <Laney> +Iain Lane
[11:13] <Laney> \o\ /o/
[11:13] <ricotz> Laney, hmm, might be a the reason why building gstreamer with meson still works here
[11:13] <ricotz> and is broken on debian
[11:14] <ximion> ricots: that's normal, gdc isn't properly ported to those architectures - it fails on Debian too: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=dub
[11:14] <ximion> soon, nothing will build with dub in Debian anymore ^^
[11:14] <Laney> ricotz: try from the vcs, it just works from there
[11:14] <Laney> (meson)
[11:14] <ximion> I will switch appstream-generator to use Meson soonish
[11:15] <Laney> hope the submodule stuff gets fixed up
[11:15] <ricotz> Laney, I guess I wait for it to land
[11:15] <Laney> as you prefer
[11:15] <ricotz> ximion, is their some agenda for GNOME to switch?
[11:15] <ximion> to compile asgen and Terminix and stuff with Meson, at least version 0.34 is required
[11:16] <ricotz> Laney, switched it back to autotools in jhbuild
[11:16] <ximion> ricotz: it's some people's agenda, especially the agenda of GStreamer people - but the project itself doesn't have an opinion on that yet
[11:16]  * Laney is maintaining both autotools and meson in libmo
[11:16] <ricotz> ah ok, since gtk+ has a branch too
[11:17] <Laney> which makes it seriously boring to make any changes
[11:17] <ximion> personally I think Meson isn't ready yet to fully replace Automake, and the Meson devs know that, so they will likely invest more time into polishing Meson up before making an attempt to make GNOME switch
[11:17] <ricotz> I see
[11:18] <ximion> Laney: the submodule stuff is way too inflexible and IMHO a pretty weak spot in Meson at time
[11:18] <ximion> the other pieces work well though .9
[11:18] <Laney> yeah
[11:18] <Laney> it could be quite nice though
[11:19] <Laney> probably will just end up releasing the thing before then
[11:20] <Laney> would want some more/better API to do that
[11:22] <ximion> Laney: at time I do crazy stuff like this for 3rd-party dependencies: https://github.com/ximion/vibe.d/blob/master/meson.build#L188-L205
[11:22] <ximion> especially since that allows pulling *any* dependency and dealing with it, regardless of whether is has a meson.build or not
[11:22] <ximion> it's pretty ugly though
[11:23] <Laney> eww
[11:33]  * Laney cries at libreoffice
[11:34] <ricotz> what did it do?
[11:35] <Laney> the l10n package is like 5 huge tarballs
[11:36] <ricotz> basically you need to upload the same twice ;)
[11:37] <Laney> is there a good reason for this split?
[11:37] <ricotz> feel lucky you don't have to repack it ;)
[11:37] <Laney> tell me if I don't want to know :P
[11:37] <ricotz> it heavily lowers the needed buildspace
[11:38] <ricotz> which was a problem in the past for the ppa builds
[11:38] <ricotz> and is suppose to ease security updates while only the non l10n packages are usually need to be rebuilt
[11:38] <ricotz> not sure if bjorn is following that
[11:40] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hi, firefox builds look pretty happy with enabled webrtc for all archs
[12:07] <tjaalton> hmm no seb
[12:12] <ricotz> Laney, when will libreoffice hit the archive?
[12:13] <Laney> it's in the queue
[12:13]  * ricotz sits on the trigger to upload the ppa packages
[12:13]  * ricotz still needs the source-tarballs to be in the archive
[12:13] <ricotz> Laney, ok
[12:21]  * flexiondotorg gets lunch
[12:28] <tjaalton> anpok_: hi, have you tested libinput 1.5? I'm thinking of an FFE for it
[12:31] <anpok_> I havent looked at it in a while
[12:36] <tjaalton> there's still that patch which isn't upstream
[13:03] <flexiondotorg> Laney I've attached a debdiff and subscribed ubuntu-sponsors to #1581094
[13:03] <flexiondotorg> It is an SRU for xenial.
[13:05] <Laney> k
[13:05] <Laney> thanks
[14:17] <willcooke> Is it just me, or does the touchpad pointer speed slider do nothing at all
[14:18] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, It work for me on 16.04.1 last night when I was setting up a new computer.
[14:18] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, do you have an external mouse connected too?
[14:18] <flexiondotorg> Just an external mouse.
[14:19] <willcooke> maybe its my mouse then
[14:19]  * flexiondotorg goes to test on touchpads...
[14:19] <willcooke> so, I don't have a "mouse speed" slider, only a touchpad slider
[14:19] <willcooke> so I assumed that the touchpad one would do my external mouse too
[14:19] <willcooke> but either way, it doesnt seem to change the speed of my touchpad or my mouse
[14:22] <flexiondotorg> Testing on Dell XPS 13 and XPS 15, the trackpad slider doesn't change the speed.
[14:22] <flexiondotorg> Works just fine with my external mouse however.
[14:23] <willcooke> xinput --set-prop 11 "Device Accel Constant Deceleration" 2
[14:23] <willcooke> :(((((
[14:25] <willcooke> I also think my mouse is pony though
[14:43] <flexiondotorg> In launchpad when I "Nominate for series" is there some manual validation that I am waiting for?
[14:43] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calculator/+bug/1622379
[14:43] <flexiondotorg> I've got a patch for the above to be SRU'd
[14:44] <flexiondotorg> Just waiting for Xenial to be a thing.
[14:44] <willcooke> I might be able to approve it
[14:44] <willcooke> and I can
[14:44] <willcooke> done
[14:44] <Laney> You don't have to wait for that
[14:44] <Laney> Anyone who can sponsor the package can also do it
[14:45] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, Thanks.
[14:46] <flexiondotorg> Laney, so in the future just ask nicely here right?
[14:46] <Laney> No, you don't need to ask
[14:46] <Laney> Just nominate it, and attach the patch
[14:46] <ogra_> and send beer
[14:47] <Laney> Yep
[14:48] <flexiondotorg> OK
[14:48]  * flexiondotorg sends ogra_ a cup I made earlier that he can put beer in
[14:49] <ogra_> !
[15:06] <Laney> i'm off out for a bit, will check in later on
[15:07] <willcooke> l8r Laney
[15:09]  * ricotz looks at libreoffice sitting in the queue
[15:10]  * Laney sends some zen thoughts towards ricotz 
[15:18] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I've attached a debdiff for a Xenial SRU to #1622379 and subscribed ubuntu-sponsors.
[15:45] <flexiondotorg> Hmmm, went to make tea and found my computer had shutdown. Weird.
[17:17]  * flexiondotorg downs tools for the week.
[17:17] <willcooke> ditto
[17:17] <willcooke> night all
[17:17] <flexiondotorg> Have a good weekend desktopers! :-)
[17:17] <willcooke> o/
[19:45] <happyaron> jbicha: would you mind to sponsor 1629132?
[19:46] <happyaron> I've synced libxml2 btw
[19:57] <RoyK> hm... trying to install ubuntu 16.04 on an older (2008ish) macbook pro just gives me a black screen - nothing more
[19:57] <RoyK> any ideas?
[19:58] <happyaron> RoyK: better ask in #ubuntu, that's the channel for user support and discussions
[20:00] <RoyK> happyaron: thanks - I've mostly worked with linux on servers lately...
[20:01] <happyaron> aha, but this channel is mainly about desktop development
[21:45] <jbicha> happyaron: I think we want https://git.gnome.org/browse/network-manager-openvpn/commit/?id=62bdd278d6 too right?
[21:45] <jbicha> happyaron: I don't have any VPN to test the update with