[07:08] <tommy_slim> anyone configured hubot on kubuntu?
[07:40] <jubo2> g'morning folks
[07:41] <jubo2> I got a question
[07:41] <jubo2> I am maybe installing a Kubuntu for mi grand-dad
[07:41] <jubo2> should the printer be connected at installation time or doesn't that matter regarding the printer detection and installation?
[07:42] <jubo2> This machine has a 150GB disk with Windows Vista using about 60GB atm
[07:42] <jubo2> so I was thinking of putting like 60GB for Kubuntu.. sound ok?
[07:42] <jubo2> he doesn't do much fotos or any videos
[07:47] <Fritigern> valorie: Could you give EasyMP3gain a whirl, attempt to apply gain to an MP3 file, open "Options > Show Console Output" and see if you too see loads of "AddressSanitizer CHECK failed" errors? If you do, then perhaps this is not just my PC being weird
[07:56] <Fritigern> Deno, open a terminal and enter kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade
[07:57] <Fritigern> Keep in mind that it's still beta software, expect breakage!
[08:02] <Fritigern> valorie: Don;t worry about installing easymp3gain, if you just have mp3gain for CLI then just starting it (even without specifying a file) it should generate this error.
[08:37] <jubo2> Hiya
[08:38] <Smurphy> morning.
[08:38] <jubo2> What is best way to check for printer compatibility with GNU/Linux (Kubuntu16.04) (without installing) ?
[08:38] <jubo2> right now running antivirus to this Vista
[08:38] <jubo2> but as all 5+ yrs old MSFT products this is so slow it is barely usable
[08:40] <jubo2> There has gotta be some database somewhere
[08:40] <jubo2> it is Samsung Xpress 2026
[08:41] <Smurphy> jubo2: Make sure it's a postscript capable printer. E.g. it is not a printer that requires software on the OS to render the page.
[08:41] <jubo2> Smurphy: knowing my grand-dad the printer is likely the cheapest they sold
[08:41] <jubo2> so prlly the latter
[08:41] <jubo2> I'll check with the Internet
[08:42] <Smurphy> jubo2: Yep.
[08:43] <Smurphy> Or take one that runs under OS-X. OS-X uses Cups, so most probably it should work with Linux too (as linux uses Cups too).
[08:47] <jubo2> Oh shoot.. it is some GDI rubbish printer
[08:47] <jubo2> and GDI is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Device_Interface (some MSFT rubbish)
[08:48] <jubo2> is there no emulator or something so a Linux could print with a printer that only speaks GDI?
[08:48] <jubo2> New printer don't cost much though
[08:50] <jubo2> Grand-dad says yes to "Do I install GNU/Linux?"
[08:50] <jubo2> Yeay. I go do it now
[08:51] <jubo2> got my unlimited 4G WiFi basestation here so updates will be a breeze
[08:51] <jubo2> See ya on the other side!
[08:56] <AleksZver> Sup
[09:49] <mparillo> http://www.samsungdrivers.net/samsung-m2026-driver/ has a linux tar.gz
[10:13] <Smurphy> mparillo: It does not mean it will work with the current releases.
[10:15] <mparillo> Ahh, OK. I know that my Epson WF has a .deb on their official website and it has been converted on the AUR, and while both versions seem to print fine, the management functions seem to only work on the Windows driver.
[10:18] <chet> /nick noodlesnod
[11:13] <mobijubo> Hiya
[11:14] <mobijubo> I get error from installation ... something returns error when trying to set keymap to finnish
[11:14] <mobijubo> I recreate it now
[11:19] <jubo2> Hi
[11:19] <jubo2> Something is going wrong with the installer
[11:19] <jubo2> I get error
[11:19] <jubo2> ubi-console-setup failed with exit code 1. Further information may be found in /var/log/syslog. Do you want to try running this step again before continuing? If you do not, your installation may fail entirely or may be broken.
[11:20] <jubo2> I better see what it says in /var/log/syslog
[11:21] <jubo2> Should I just pastebin what it says
[11:22] <jubo2> I see it is failing to set locale to local locale \
[11:22] <jubo2> or something thereabouts
[11:24] <jubo2> The following seems to be the problem that invokes the logger and exits with code 1
[11:24] <jubo2> Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale
[11:25] <jubo2> something somewhere is slightly wrong
[11:25] <jubo2> how do I check what is the default locale
[11:26] <jubo2> and how do I change it to Finnish
[11:26] <jubo2> Mi grand-dad was born in the 20s
[11:26] <jubo2> not very fluent in English
[11:27] <jubo2> I change OS lang to Finnish and relogin]
[11:27] <jubo2> a moment
[11:29] <mobijubo> Ok... now OS is in Finnish
[11:29] <mobijubo> I check locale
[11:30] <jubo2> Now OS is in Finnish
[11:30] <jubo2> but kbrd is Murican
[11:31] <jubo2> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[11:31] <jubo2> LANGUAGE=fi
[11:31] <jubo2> and LC_ALL is empty
[11:31] <jubo2> I retry the installation but it will fail again
[11:31] <jubo2> unless someone explains to me how to make it work
[11:35] <jubo2> Before beginning the installation attempt I see from /var/log/syslog that it will fail because https://paste.kde.org/p6ntun9jq
[11:35] <jubo2> I need to mangle something manually for it to understand that language Finnish and kbrd Finnish is very valid and existing choice
[11:38] <jubo2> there was some command to create the needed locales
[11:38] <jubo2> I needed that on some Debian server
[11:38] <jubo2> but I dunno what is going on.. I have installed many Kubuntu with this exact same stick without any problems
[11:39] <jubo2> hmm..
[11:39] <jubo2> locale -a indicates there are only silly anglophone locales available
[11:40] <jubo2> so I need to add the FIFI to there somehow
[11:41] <jubo2> fi_FI.UTF-8 is shown in the /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
[11:42] <jubo2> localectl says connection timed out
[11:43] <jubo2> and sorry for not using underscores, apostrophes etc. coz I have no idea where they are on a Murican kbrd
[11:43] <jubo2> ahh
[11:43] <jubo2> locale-gen is what I want
[11:45] <jubo2> that worked... now retrying the installation
[11:45] <jubo2> /var/log/syslog is still in tail -f
[11:48] <jubo2> yeah
[11:49] <jubo2> that solved it
[11:49] <jubo2> now progresses beyond the point where it would fail
[11:49] <jubo2> looking good
[11:50] <jubo2> this sure runs a lot faster than the Vista that is the old os
[12:10] <Guest9540> Hi.
[12:25] <mobijubo> Oh yes. It works. Next I need to determine RAM-type and see where I can get some
[12:25] <mobijubo> Uhh.. 667 upgrades
[12:25] <mobijubo> That'll take a while on age-old celeron and 2GB
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:59] <user|25449> Kann ich Kubuntu neben Windows haben ?
[15:09] <mparillo> If you mean dual boot Kubuntu and MS-Windows, the answer is yes. It is easiest on legacy BIOS, hardest on Secure Boot.
[15:47] <BluesKaj_> mparillo, I made the mistake of wiping the hdd clean and just using legacy mode wth a msdos table, now if i shut the laptop down completelythen sometimes  it won't reboot or find grub, it stalls at the post page.
[16:03] <_thelion_> hi there, i have a problem with emacs - i've asked the folks in #emacs, but they couldn't help me. As you can see in the screenshot: there's a big blue icon in the toolbar. Any idea ... why? https://imgur.com/eQzVbBQ
[16:05] <_thelion_> i've tried the system settings / icons --> no effect.
[16:06] <_thelion_> i've tried to start emacs like: emacs -Q
[16:06] <_thelion_> or emacs -q --> no effect ...
[16:08] <_thelion_> is it possible to remove the toolbar / Emacs?
[16:14] <mparillo> BluesKaj_: Ouch. I was trying to answer the German user.
[16:15] <BluesKaj_> mparillo, yeah I saw that, but he didn't stick around
[16:16] <mparillo> Oh well. Can you always boot your laptop with a live USB?
[16:16] <BluesKaj_> yes, and i have done
[16:18] <BluesKaj_> mparillo, now I just suspend it , I don't shutdown
[16:25] <beta> hello
[16:25] <BluesKaj_> hi beta
[16:26] <beta> hi Bliska
[16:28] <beta> how are you ?
[18:16] <claycorn> hello'
[18:29] <chcknrub> no updates to 16.04, great
[18:37] <Sevish> wondering if kde plasma 5.8 will hit the kubuntu kde backports ppa in the coming months
[18:37] <Sevish> anybody got the scoop?
[18:48] <mparillo> Yes, that is to be expected, but the current focus is getting the latest packaging into the YY Archive.
[18:58] <valorie> getting the LTS Plasma into our LTS would be a good move
[19:16] <Sevish> agreed. I'm not sure how likely it is to happen but I will just wait patiently.
[22:11] <Guest42709> hello
[22:12] <RodNICE> Hello
[22:12] <RodNICE> Looking for kubuntu/KDE assistance
[22:13] <RodNICE> Just got back to kubuntu... got rusty... how do I configure a little multirow panel with shortcuts?
[22:18] <RodNICE> Anyone know how to do multiline taskbars?
[22:19] <valorie> you can right-click on the panel
[22:19] <valorie> lots of options there
[22:19] <valorie> or try the "hamburger" menu on the right
[22:20] <valorie> RodNICE: ^^^
[22:21] <RodNICE> Ohhh
[22:21] <RodNICE> sorry, I'm the only Kubuntu user within 5 miles
[22:21] <RodNICE> (I think)
[22:22] <RodNICE> "hamburger"...
[22:22] <valorie> ||| on its side
[22:22] <RodNICE> When I first installed Kubuntu like 4 years ago, I figured out how to do it and never had to do it again until my laptop died
[22:22] <valorie> well, we've got a major version upgrade to Plasma since then
[22:23] <valorie> so a few little details are different
[22:23] <RodNICE> how do I easily check the version
[22:23] <valorie> for the most part
[22:23] <valorie> plasmashell -v in the commandline
[22:23] <RodNICE> Hardware = Dell Inspiron :(
[22:23] <valorie> or in krunner, About...
[22:24] <valorie> which will give you about system
[22:24] <valorie> I had some Dells I loved
[22:24] <valorie> some I didn't
[22:24] <RodNICE> plasmashell -v... command not found
[22:24] <RodNICE> hmmm I guess I should have done "sudo" first maybe?
[22:25] <valorie> hmmm, what version of kubuntu are you running?
[22:25] <valorie> no, no sudo
[22:25] <RodNICE> I installed the X animal named one I think
[22:25] <RodNICE> not the newest one
[22:26] <valorie> xenial, the 16.04
[22:26] <clivejo> dont use sudo with anything in KDE
[22:26] <RodNICE> Ohhhh
[22:26] <RodNICE> OK OK
[22:26] <RodNICE> thanks guys
[22:26] <RodNICE> no sudo
[22:26] <valorie> so either alt+space
[22:26] <RodNICE>      plasmashell: command not found
[22:26] <valorie> or alt+f2 will give you krunner
[22:27] <valorie> your shortcut to everything
[22:27] <valorie> just type about up in krunner
[22:27] <RodNICE> ooooohhh
[22:27] <RodNICE> wow
[22:27] <RodNICE> that was easy
[22:28] <valorie>  very useful
[22:28] <RodNICE> wow lol
[22:28] <RodNICE> I've never seen that before
[22:28] <valorie> starts anything, and does all kinds of stuff
[22:28] <valorie> krunner has been around since kde3 days at least
[22:28] <RodNICE> Does Kubuntu generally have printed books or is it mostly by memory and community that I need to learn?
[22:28] <valorie> but for some reason, nobody knows about it!
[22:29] <valorie> we have documentation at docs.kubuntu.org
[22:29] <RodNICE> I used to do krunner by accident and always closed it out fearing I broke sometehing
[22:29] <RodNICE> something*
[22:29] <valorie> lol
[22:29] <valorie> yes, if you don't know about it, it eats your typing
[22:29] <valorie> and leaves you confused
[22:29] <RodNICE> Kubuntu 14.04 is my version
[22:30] <valorie> ok, that's a bit older
[22:30] <RodNICE> I just installed it
[22:30] <valorie> that's fine
[22:30] <RodNICE> Didn't think this Insipiron 6000 could handle anything newer
[22:30] <valorie> newer is generally lighter IMO
[22:30] <valorie> but suit yourself
[22:30] <RodNICE> as in less baggage?
[22:31] <RodNICE> or less ability?
[22:42] <valorie> as in quicker and easier on your system
[22:42] <valorie> of course you can load up any system with multiple applications running at once, a million tabs on your browser, etc.
[22:48] <RodNICE> OK, I'll try the newer version
[22:48] <RodNICE> I'm just trying to cheap out on internet at home, but wifi takes forever
[22:49] <RodNICE> I'll have to download it to USB when I stop in to the library
[22:49] <RodNICE> I guess coming from a Windows mindset, I'm thinking newer is heavier
[22:52] <valorie> you can just upgrade, but that is slow as well
[22:54] <RodNICE> yes
[22:54] <RodNICE> especially on wifi
[22:54] <valorie> imo the best way is to download it via torrent
[22:54] <RodNICE> yeah
[22:55] <valorie> that's faster and more secure, since the parts are automatically checked
[22:55] <RodNICE> for some reason, the torrent didn't work when I tried for this one
[22:55] <valorie> you can do that on wife while you sleep
[22:55] <RodNICE> the direct download was faster
[22:55] <RodNICE> You're right.
[22:55] <valorie> probably not many people seeding the older one anymore
[22:55] <RodNICE> Too bad the wifi and my bed are in separate locations, lol
[22:56] <valorie> I seed all the ubuntu torrents
[22:56] <RodNICE> Ohhhh
[22:56] <RodNICE> you're right!!
[22:56] <RodNICE> Man, I feel so stupid right now.
[22:56] <valorie> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[22:56] <RodNICE> I'll try the newer one
[22:56] <valorie> don't be
[22:57] <valorie> just start that and let it take it's own sweet time
[22:57] <valorie> when it's done, burn it to a DVD or usb and try it out
[22:57] <valorie> if you like it, fine
[22:57] <valorie> if not, you've got a working install
[22:58] <RodNICE> is it noticeably different?
[22:59] <valorie> I like the newer better, but there are those who prefer the old
[22:59] <valorie> you have your choice
[22:59]  * valorie is running the beta of the latest
[22:59] <RodNICE> Wow, that link..!!
[23:00] <RodNICE> That's gold!
[23:00] <valorie> yep, that's how I seed all the torrents that are supported
[23:01] <valorie> I have a good connection, so why not?
[23:04] <RodNICE> Wow
[23:04] <RodNICE> You must be in Korea
[23:46] <RodNICE> hey valorie, I'm downloading the beta of the latest right now
[23:47] <valorie> woah, ok
[23:47] <valorie> be sure to test that before installing
[23:47] <valorie> LTS is recommended for most users
[23:48] <RodNICE> lol
[23:48] <RodNICE> Now you tell me?  Well I figured as much, but what could go wrong?
[23:49] <SporkWitch> RodNICE: anything from minor glitches like an icon being broken to crippling failures that prevent normal use of the system.
[23:49] <RodNICE> *sigh*
[23:49] <SporkWitch> RodNICE: i know what i'm doing, i still run LTS only on systems i need to be working at any given time
[23:49] <RodNICE> OK
[23:50] <RodNICE> I'll go with the LTS
[23:50] <SporkWitch> RodNICE: odds are you'll be fine, it's not like it's arch or something
[23:50] <RodNICE> That's what I was thinking
[23:50] <valorie> I'm running the beta right now on my main computer
[23:50] <RodNICE> It's not a mission critical system
[23:50] <SporkWitch> RodNICE: the later version is better and worse; later versions / versions, but greater chance of bugs and instability
[23:50] <valorie> but I do have a backup laptop running the LTS for now
[23:51] <RodNICE> OK
[23:51] <SporkWitch> *versions / features
[23:51] <SporkWitch> *newer features
[23:51] <SporkWitch> valorie: out of curiosity, is gpg2.1.15 in 16.10?
[23:51] <RodNICE> *pauses beta download*
[23:52] <valorie> !info gpg yakkety
[23:52] <valorie> huh
[23:52] <SporkWitch> !info gnupg yakkety
[23:52] <SporkWitch> sweet
[23:52] <SporkWitch> yay ECC support
[23:54] <SporkWitch> i have sid running on this chromebook, and .15 seems to be much more feature-complete; .11 seems to have some residual issues with smartcards (it says it's pulling the key when issuing a fetch from --card-edit, but doesn't actually import it, even though it downloads successfully; .15 on sid successfully pulls and imports)
[23:54] <SporkWitch> also looking forward to playing around with the gpg-agent forwarding in .15 (it's somewhat present in .11, but it's hit and miss)
[23:55] <SporkWitch> (works for signing, but not auth)