[05:55] <bmg505> Hello, long time no talk
[05:56] <Symmetria> sup
[05:56] <Symmetria> heh so - Zimbabwe just came by far and away the country in Africa with the most ipv6 deployment
[05:56] <Symmetria> according to every metric
[08:07] <inetpro> bmg505: good mornings
[08:07] <inetpro> Kilos: how are you doing?
[08:08] <inetpro> oh and good mornings to all and sundry as well
[08:21] <inetpro> welcome back drussell
[08:43] <Kilos> my goosie, im fine ty, how are you and the family
[08:47] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[08:47]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:51] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:51] <Kilos> maaz hurry
[08:51] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[08:51] <Kilos> Maaz botsnack
[08:51] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[09:20] <inetpro> all good thanks
[09:20] <Kilos> yay
[09:21] <inetpro> have you looked after your sheep as well already?
[09:21] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:22] <Kilos> here my girls look after me
[09:22] <inetpro> who's checking those poor animals at home now?
[09:22] <Kilos> the neighbour
[09:22] <inetpro> ah, ok
[09:23] <MaNI> must be nice to have neighbours you can actually trust to do things
[09:23] <inetpro> are you alooiwed to run around already?
[09:24] <inetpro> allowed as well
[09:45] <Kilos> i am supposed to take it easy and no straining
[09:46] <Kilos> but allowed to walk so have walked some ks 
[09:52] <Kilos> and i cook some
[09:52] <Kilos> eating kangaroo curry now
[09:53] <Kilos> hopefully that will add some bounce in my steps
[09:57] <Kilos> oh MaNI when im there i look after his sheep, and help with other farm duties
[09:58] <Kilos> we work well together
[10:01] <MaNI> ahh okay
[12:41] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[16:04] <inetpro> wb Symmetria
[16:05] <inetpro> how do they get to lead with ipv6 in Zim?
[20:01] <kulelu88> superfly: do you know of a quick-start REST API lib that I can use without needing a backend DB for it?
[20:02] <superfly> kulelu88: uh, there are a lot of assuptions in that questions
[20:02] <kulelu88> superfly: I am attempting to test a REST API request using the Telegram API
[20:02] <superfly> kulelu88: a RESTful API is simply an API that makes use of the HTTP verbs correctly
[20:03] <MaNI> yeah - not sure why you'd need a db
[20:04] <MaNI> I used nginx with slim for a relatively light weight setup last time I needed one 
[20:05] <kulelu88> MaNI: I was looking at Eve, but that requires a giant MongoDB install
[20:05] <superfly> I generally just use Flask and write a few functions
[20:06] <kulelu88> I see this: https://flask-restful.readthedocs.io/en/latest/quickstart.html#a-minimal-api
[20:09] <superfly> kulelu88: when we were looking to write our API at work, we looked at Flask-Restful, but when we saw the class-based system it uses, we dropped it like a hot potato. We knew that we'd have a ton of classes with just one method in each.
[20:09] <kulelu88> superfly: this is just a minimal test though. I don't intend on building on any of these without evaluating them all
[20:13] <superfly> kulelu88: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmcg89w
[20:14] <kulelu88> that easy superfly D:
[20:16] <superfly> kulelu88: it's not difficult, REST is just a way of doing things, you don't need a library for it
[20:30] <MaNI> well in it's simplest form you could make a 'REST' API just by writing some static files to a webserver
[20:32] <MaNI> it's just routing URLs to information basically
[20:32] <kulelu88> so a REST API is just a router that follows the principles of REST (GET, POST, DELETE, ...) ?
[20:34] <MaNI> yeah pretty much
[20:36] <kulelu88> some people make REST APIs sound like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs MaNI 
[20:37] <MaNI> heh
[20:37] <MaNI> some people can make anything sound like that :p
[20:38] <kulelu88> MaNI: are you web-scale? 
[20:40] <MaNI> I was but then I took an arrow to the knee
[20:41] <superfly> hahahaha
[20:42] <superfly> dev null is webscale!
[20:43] <kulelu88> MaNI: if this was 2013, you could swap web-scale for "is your code single-threaded" :D
[20:43] <MaNI> single threaded, but multi process
[21:12] <kulelu88> MaNI: you work weekends?
[21:13] <MaNI> often
[21:13] <MaNI> well not part of my normal job, but I've got a rather time intensive side project thats come up
[21:22] <kulelu88> commercial? MaNI 
[21:24] <MaNI> define commercial, I'm getting paid to do it so I guess, the code is open though
[21:24] <kulelu88> link? :D
[21:24] <MaNI> gulden.com
[21:28] <kulelu88> MaNI: bitcoin clone?
[21:29] <MaNI> yeah
[21:30] <kulelu88> :D nice . sounds interesting
[21:31] <MaNI> different to what I usually work on thats for sure
[21:33] <kulelu88> does it only work in Europe and do exchanges support gulden? 
[21:35] <MaNI> I'm a bit wary to mention it generally as lots of bitcoin clones are seedy - so worried about the reputation :p
[21:36] <MaNI> it works everywhere, but there is some europe specific functionality, like you can pay directly to a bank account via IBAN 
[21:36] <MaNI> thats currently only supported in netherlands
[21:36] <kulelu88> so I can't buy with a ZAR IBAN?
[21:36] <kulelu88> aah
[21:36] <MaNI> yeah
[21:36] <kulelu88> as long as it ain't like the MMM ponzi scheme :D
[21:36] <MaNI> they want to add it to more countries, but obviously means setting up legal entities and stuff
[21:37] <MaNI> nah not like that at all
[21:37] <MaNI> main exchange for it is bittrex - but thats only BTC<>NLG 
[21:37] <MaNI> not FIAT<>NLG
[21:37] <MaNI> sadly
[21:37] <kulelu88> arbitrage is possible among these exchanges
[21:38] <MaNI> sometimes
[21:38] <MaNI> the bitx rate for ZAR<>BTC differs from the rate you will calculate if you take e.g. BTC->USD->ZAR
[21:39] <MaNI> but the problem is the forex fees that get added on the USD->ZAR part - so the difference is mostly that being factored in
[21:39] <MaNI> market automatically fixes any arbitrage that appears I guess 
[21:40] <kulelu88> the banks don't joke with forex fees
[21:40] <MaNI> yeah - I got nailed hard by forex once
[21:40] <MaNI> now I'm scared of it :p
[21:41] <kulelu88> you do the C++ stuff right? MaNI 
[21:41] <MaNI> we were going to go to canada for a year for my wife to study, to get the visa we had to pay the fees for studying in advance, they denied her based on health reasons, in the meantime the rand tanked + double forex fees - like a money vanishing magic trick
[21:41] <MaNI> yeah I'm mostly C++ - but I'm versatile ;)
[21:42] <MaNI> for gulden I'm spending a lot of time doing also the android app (java) and iOS app (objc) - it's nice to experience some other things just to keep the skills sharp
[21:43] <kulelu88> the total education fees in advance? isn't that like >5 times our local fees? 
[21:43] <kulelu88> I know Ivy league colleges in the US are like >60K p.a
[21:43] <MaNI> yeah not an ivy college thankfully
[21:44] <MaNI> was just an advanced makeup thing - like film makeup and animatronics and whatnot, 1 year course
[21:44] <MaNI> still not cheap
[21:45] <MaNI> that was like 10 years ago though the rand was still a bit stronger back then
[21:45] <kulelu88> aah 2006 the rand was barely 7/8 to the US dollar :P
[21:46] <MaNI> like a week after they refunded me at crappy forex rates the rand rebounded, would have lost a lot less money if they waited - dangerous stuff forex :P
[21:46] <kulelu88> MaNI: you had a 30 day window to hold the money
[21:47] <MaNI> I knew a lot less about banking back then, now I probably would have put up a bigger fight
[21:48] <kulelu88> sounds like a fun side-gig :P building a mobile wallet for netherlands-coin :P
[21:50] <MaNI> yeah, fun but intense, the exposure to extra dutch culture is interesting
[21:50] <MaNI> they know surprisingly little about South Africa considering our history - I think they tried to forget about us :p
[21:51] <kulelu88> hahahaha. Do they even know what Afrikaans is?
[21:51] <MaNI> they do now :P
[21:52] <kulelu88> :D