[13:00] <acresearch> hello people, i want to download lubuntu, what is the difference between intelx86 and AMD64?
[13:52] <dode> If you are using it on most modern PCs that runs 64bit OS then use the AMD64 version.
[18:48] <prashant> hello?
[18:48] <wxl> oh hai
[18:48] <prashant> can you tell me how do i get back my panel?
[18:49] <wxl> prashant: are you sure it's gone? try `lxpanelctl restart`
[18:51] <prashant> i deleted them all
[18:51] <prashant> accidently
[18:52] <wxl> prashant: http://askubuntu.com/questions/64631/how-to-restore-the-default-lubuntu-panel
[18:55] <prashant> That worked! Thanks man!
[18:56] <wxl> np teward
[18:56]  * teward was pinged?
[18:56] <teward> wxl: E: mis highlight?
[18:56] <wxl> oops yeah
[18:56] <wxl> derp
[18:56] <teward> it happens :)
[19:40] <tbnbuddha> hi. i installed lubuntu and my wifi is not working. so i got no inet connection. i already found a driver. but i need to install "apt-get install make". how can i download the package to run the apt-get offline?
[19:41] <tbnbuddha> is there a website to download sources like this manually?
[19:42] <wxl> dude what card do you have that you need to compile it?
[19:43] <tbnbuddha> do you know the commandline to print that information?
[19:44] <tbnbuddha> Broadcom BCM43142
[19:44] <wxl> tbnbuddha: lspci -nn. you'll have to find the wifi card
[19:44] <wxl> !b43
[19:44] <tbnbuddha> oh thx. i will take a look
[19:44] <wxl> oh yeah
[19:45] <wxl> well that's one of the few broadcom cards only supported by proprietary software
[19:45] <wxl> so lame
[19:45] <tbnbuddha> :(
[19:45] <wxl> getting make is so untrivial because it has dependencies you'll need to get, too
[19:45] <tbnbuddha> sounds not good
[19:46] <wxl> which in turn has dependencies
[19:46] <wxl> so you'd need:
[19:46] <wxl> make
[19:46] <wxl> libc6
[19:46] <wxl> libgcc1
[19:46] <wxl> gcc-6-base
[19:46] <tbnbuddha> i love linux if it is once working. if not ... :(
[19:46] <wxl> well you should blame your chip for this problem
[19:47] <wxl> it's not like there aren't developers interested in helping support lots of software including incredibly old stuff
[19:47] <tbnbuddha> i know it is not the fault of the linux developers
[19:47] <wxl> apple/microsoft have no interest in doing that
[19:47] <wxl> in any case
[19:47] <tbnbuddha> but that does not help who i could blame. it just don't work easily
[19:47] <wxl> is this a laptop?
[19:47] <tbnbuddha> yes
[19:47] <tbnbuddha> just wlan.
[19:47] <wxl> why don't you plug it in directly into your router?
[19:48] <tbnbuddha> only usb
[19:48] <wxl> ugh lame router :)
[19:48] <tbnbuddha> no, the laptop has none
[19:48] <tbnbuddha> the router has :)
[19:48] <wxl> oh even worse
[19:48] <wxl> that's terrrrrible
[19:48] <wxl> throw it out, it's useless
[19:48] <wxl> j/k XD
[19:48] <tbnbuddha> i like it because it is small and light for the price
[19:48] <wxl> well then you just have to follow the dependencies and get all the .deb packages
[19:49] <tbnbuddha> if everything works from start on i don't need a network cable. if not i am f...
[19:49] <wxl> here's what you do:
[19:49] <wxl> 1. find the right package for the right version you're on
[19:49] <wxl> an example
[19:49] <wxl> http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/make
[19:50] <wxl> it will tell you dependencies
[19:51] <tbnbuddha> thx a lot for this help
[19:51] <tbnbuddha> i need to dig in now :)
[19:51] <wxl> if it has a source package (like make is make-dfsg) then you'll have to make note of that
[19:51] <tbnbuddha> not really a skilled linuxer
[19:51] <lynorian> yeah my pci network card which had the company bought out in 2004 and the thing worked a few months ago
[19:51] <wxl> 2. now find it on launchpad
[19:52] <wxl> e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/make-dfsg
[19:52] <wxl> again you'll have to look for the right version
[19:52] <wxl> expand the section for that version
[19:53] <wxl> package (deb files) are near the bottom of that listing
[19:53] <wxl> make sure you get the right architecture
[19:53] <tbnbuddha> just a guess. is it maybe easy to connect a smartphone via usb and use it as a router?
[19:54] <wxl> never done it before but theoretically yes tbnbuddha
[19:54] <wxl> so if you have an i386 you'd want https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/make_4.1-9_i386.deb
[19:54] <wxl> so that's one done
[19:54] <wxl> now do the same thing for all the other dependencies
[19:54] <wxl> obviously you need to install them in reverse
[19:54] <wxl> in other words, make would be the last thing you install
[19:54] <tbnbuddha> your help is really great but when i overlook it, it looks like an hour or two work for me. need the laptop tomorrow morning in my new co-working space
[19:54] <wxl> dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb will install it
[19:55] <tbnbuddha> a little sleep would be also not that bad :P
[19:55] <wxl> not really
[19:55] <wxl> you only have about 5 dependencies to worry about
[19:55] <wxl> it's just not one and only one package
[19:55] <tbnbuddha> is it like downloading 5 files, put them somewhere where apt.get finds it and then run the command?
[19:55] <wxl> well what i would do is download them all
[19:56] <wxl> then put them on the drive of the laptop (maybe use usb)
[19:56] <tbnbuddha> yep thats what i already done
[19:56] <wxl> then dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb, starting with the remote dependency of make
[19:56] <tbnbuddha> to get the driver. then i was asked about the make package :)
[19:57] <tbnbuddha> i386 was 32 bit right?
[19:57] <tbnbuddha> got an 64 bit one
[19:57] <wxl> so you'd start with gcc-6-base, then libc6, then libgcc1, then make
[19:57] <wxl> amd64 is 64 and i386 is 32
[19:57] <wxl> check your kernel to see what it is because that's ultimately what matters
[19:58] <tbnbuddha> it is 64 bit
[19:58] <wxl> uname -m will get you that where x86_64 is amd64 and x86 is i386
[19:58] <tbnbuddha> x86_64
[19:58] <wxl> to think that this is how we did EVERYTHING back in the day XD
[19:59] <tbnbuddha> your skills are impressive :)
[19:59] <wxl> well and back in the day there was no such thing as binary packages!
[19:59] <tbnbuddha> wish i had those.
[19:59] <wxl> i've been doing it for a while. it takes a little practice
[19:59] <wxl> and honestly i'm not the best
[19:59] <tbnbuddha> i appreciate it.
[19:59] <wxl> offtopic but there's a free linux mentoring program. see more at linuxpadawan.net
[20:00] <tbnbuddha> sounds good but i learn database stuff, php, javascript at the moment. my head hurts enough right now :)
[20:00] <tbnbuddha> but i mark that page. sounds good
[20:01] <wxl> well we're there when you need help. many of us have other skills, too, if you're interested
[20:01] <wxl> you can idle in #linxupadawan if you want to hang out :)
[20:01] <tbnbuddha> it is great stuff for beginners like me. i searched a lot but just run from problem to problem
[20:02] <tbnbuddha> i try to follow your instructions now.
[20:02] <wxl> tbnbuddha: we were all beginners once XD
[20:02] <tbnbuddha> thats right
[20:40] <till__> mmh i think i installed the packages successfully. but when i try to make my driver i receive "recipe for target[module_name] failed
[20:41] <till__> and recipe for target "all" failed
[20:41] <till__> i found help on google that says i should try to use -i to ignore errors. but i don't know if this is good
[20:42] <wxl> till__: i doubt that will fix things
[20:42] <till__> i try that one
[20:42] <wxl> till__: what package is this tho?
[20:43] <till__> not a package i think. it is the driver i downloaded
[20:43] <till__> when i try to make and make install it
[20:43] <till__> it throws that error
[20:43] <wxl> i think you'd be better off using the ubuntu package
[20:43] <till__> which one you meant?
[20:43] <wxl> this one till__ https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl
[20:44] <wxl> you can just dpkg -i it
[20:44] <till__> is this a driver for those wifi cards?
[20:44] <wxl> you may still have the same problem
[20:44] <wxl> if that's the case you need linux-header
[20:44] <wxl> yes
[20:45] <till__> i try it
[20:46] <wxl> here's where to get linux-headers, till__ https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[20:46] <wxl> make sure you get the right version
[20:49] <till__> i need 3 more packages to install it says. try that
[20:49] <wxl> oops
[20:49] <wxl> probably coreutils
[20:50] <till__> libc-dev
[20:50] <till__> dkms
[20:50] <till__> linux-libc-dev
[20:50] <wxl> k which linux-headers package are you using?
[20:51] <till__> sorry, but what do you mean by linux-headers? i tried to install bcml-kernel-source
[20:51] <wxl> oh
[20:51] <wxl> hahahah
[20:51] <wxl> okok
[20:53] <till__> i really don't know about that technical terms. makes it a bit difficult to form the right questions and don't understand everything you said. But it is great help so far. i get those 3 packages now and install them
[20:53] <wxl> yeah let me help you with that
[20:54] <wxl> here's dkms https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dkms
[20:54] <till__> need a lot of time. because typing on the smartphone, moving the files, then switch to the laptop and so one :)
[20:54] <till__> but works fine so far
[20:55] <wxl> libc6-dev https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc
[20:55] <wxl> get a bluetooth keyboard :)
[20:56] <till__> have one. was too lazy to get it. my fault
[20:56] <wxl> go back to that linux page to get linux-libc-dev
[20:56] <wxl> it's built from the same source package
[20:58] <till__> got it. and then the dkms
[20:58] <wxl> here's dkms https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dkms
[21:01] <till__> dkms benötigt gcc :( get that one also
[21:03] <till__> when i search for "gcc" it gives me a ton of results. how do i know which one i need?
[21:04] <wxl> sorry i'm at work till__ and was on the phone https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-defaults
[21:05] <wxl> you want the deb file for just gcc
[21:05] <till__> i really appreciate it. your work is much more important then my questions
[21:05] <wxl> as an exmaple https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/gcc_6.1.1-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[21:15] <till__> depends on gcc-6. when i try to install this it showed me 7 more depencies. puuh. i cannot finish this today. :(
[21:15] <till__> but your help was great. i really appreciate it
[21:26] <till__> wish a good night. thx a lot for the help