[02:32] <duflu> robert_ancell, RAOF: Anyone know who owns this? Although it looks like the regression came from a different package judging by the dates... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1629668
[02:33] <robert_ancell> duflu, "owns"?
[02:33] <duflu> robert_ancell: I mean who to tell :)
[02:33] <robert_ancell> ubuntu-desktop... :)
[02:33] <duflu> My work here is done
[04:36] <hikiko> hi
[05:07] <duflu> Morning hikiko
[05:07] <hikiko> Hi duflu :-)
[05:08] <hikiko> Happy Monday
[05:54] <duflu> hikiko: Happy Monday indeed. Almost time to think about Ubuntu Z
[05:54] <hikiko> :D
[07:53] <flexiondotorg> Morning
[07:57] <didrocks> good morning flexiondotorg
[07:57] <didrocks> had a good week-end?
[07:58] <flexiondotorg> didrocks, o/
[07:58] <willcooke> morning gang
[07:58] <flexiondotorg> Yep, very good thanks.
[07:58] <flexiondotorg> Spent the day at Mottisfont yesterday. Picnic and sleeping in the sunshine :-)
[08:01] <didrocks> hey willcooke!
[08:01] <didrocks> nice :)
[08:01] <Laney> what up
[08:01] <flexiondotorg> Morning willcooke
[08:01] <flexiondotorg> Morning Laney
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> Laney, not the outside temperature.
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> Had to fleece up for my walk this morning.
[08:02] <Laney> Feeling nippy, indeed
[08:02] <Laney> Got to go cycle to town in a minute for a checkup at the opticians
[08:02]  * Laney looks unforward
[08:04] <didrocks> good morning Laney
[08:04] <didrocks> glasses for you man!
[08:04] <didrocks> :-)
[08:04] <Laney> hey didrocks!
[08:04] <Laney> hope not :)
[08:04] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:04] <didrocks> I hope not for you too you, that's annoying ;)
[08:05] <didrocks> good good, sunshine, a little bit cold, but perfect temperature for running ;)
[08:05] <Laney> heating comes from the inside after a few minutes
[08:05] <Laney> ...
[08:05] <Laney> tell that to my fingers
[08:05]  * willcooke ponders getting the heating to come on again in the mornings
[08:06] <Laney> WEAK
[08:06] <willcooke> :)
[08:06] <Laney> not until granny's lips turn blue
[08:11] <chrisccoulson> willcooke, my heating actually came on this morning
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> I obviously need to do the dad thing and turn the thermostat down
[08:12] <willcooke> :D
[08:12] <willcooke> Saw this the other day: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/dads-begin-obsessive-relationship-with-thermostat-2014100891473
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> I'm hoping for another couple of weeks of mild weather though, as I had to repair my lawn last week after churning it up with a broken mower
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> lol, that sounds like me :)
[08:15] <Laney> k, back in a minute
[08:15] <Laney> hopefully without a prescription /o\
[08:15] <willcooke> "see" ya Laney
[08:15] <willcooke> arf
[08:19] <hikiko> hey, does anyone understands this error message:
[08:19] <hikiko> http://pastebin.com/HUcC3wWg
[08:19] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:20] <hikiko> I try to remove libcuda1-361 because everytime I dist-upgrade the nvidia driver and several other packages are installed as a dependency and my xorg configuration is messed up
[08:20] <willcooke> hikiko, my guess would be uninstalling a snap while it was "in use" and so couldn't delete it's files.
[08:20] <willcooke> or that snap has a lock on those files
[08:20] <hikiko> willcooke, I think that I don't have any snaps installed
[08:20] <willcooke> hmm, could be the GL interface.
[08:20] <hikiko> what
[08:20] <willcooke> hikiko, I think it's worth asking in #snappy
[08:20] <hikiko> what's the GL interface?
[08:21] <hikiko> sure
[08:21] <davmor2> willcooke, Laney: so guy I'm not seeing updates window popup at all I triggered it manually this morning, I'll try it on my test box is there a way to set that to daily rather than weekly at all?
[08:21] <hikiko> thanks willcooke
[08:21] <willcooke> hikiko, the GL interface is a part of snappy that lets it talk to gfx cards so that snaps can do direct rendering (or something like that)
[08:22] <hikiko> oh, sounds like it might be that
[08:22] <willcooke> davmor2, it's currently set to look at the datestamp on the logs so if you do and apt-get upgrade (or similar) that will be enough to stop it showing for another week
[08:22] <willcooke> davmor2, lemme see if I can find the file, one sec.
[08:23] <davmor2> willcooke: damn it I bet byobu is overriding it then
[08:24] <willcooke> trying to find the MP from seb
[08:27] <willcooke> meh, can't find it.  Will keep looking
[09:12] <Mirv> you may be interested in bug #1627502 although it surely it's probably somehow limited to my computer
[09:13] <Mirv> or, I mean my other computer
[09:13] <willcooke> thanks Mirv, looks like Robert is already in the loop but I'll speak to him about it later tonight
[09:17] <Laney> davmor2: the settings are in software & updates
[09:18] <Laney> I see popups from it all the time, so WFM™
[09:18] <davmor2> Laney: thanks
[09:24] <didrocks> Laney: no prescription? :)
[09:25] <Laney> didrocks: nein - my eyes are made of solid win
[09:26] <Laney> I saw some pictrues of the inside of them
[09:26] <Laney> (and there was a tiny sign saying "win")
[09:26] <didrocks> congrats! :)
[09:26] <Laney> better than 20/20, not quite sure what that means
[09:27] <Laney> PISSED off that I got one of the letters on the smallest row wrong
[09:27] <Laney> it was a Y but I thought it was a T
[09:27] <didrocks> ahah! :)
[09:27] <Laney> the guy didn't say
[09:27] <didrocks> yeah, you are like I was, seeing better from far than close
[09:27] <Laney> I just saw it as I was leaving
[09:27] <didrocks> this is how you get better than 20 :p
[09:28] <Laney> heh
[09:28] <Laney> i'll need reading glasses eventually
[09:28] <Laney> like everyone
[09:29] <didrocks> yeah!
[09:33] <Laney> happyaron: here?
[10:29] <davmor2> willcooke, Laney: why would scaling be missing from live session now?  It was there before and is there in xenial but is missing on todays live session
[10:30] <Laney> davmor2: bug
[10:30] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2037/+packages
[10:30] <Laney> get that when it's built
[10:30] <davmor2> Laney: awesome thanks
[10:32] <Laney> davmor2: amd64 is there, grab the debs and try it to confirm?
[10:32] <davmor2> Laney: will do
[10:52] <davmor2> Laney: working now \o/
[10:52] <Laney> winning
[10:54] <davmor2> Laney: even better it all works too :)
[10:54] <Laney> davmor2: can you check if indicator-bluetooth -> Bluetooth Settings works?
[10:54] <Laney> with the packages from that ppa
[10:57] <davmor2> Laney: clicking on Bluetooth settings isn't doing anything
[10:57] <Laney> did you upgrade the indicator and restart it?
[10:58] <Laney> that's what I want you to check :P
[10:58] <davmor2> Laney: ah I didn't restart it hang on
[10:58] <Laney> at least you reproduced the bug
[11:01] <davmor2> Laney: now it is working however the indicator doesn't seem to be staying open let me kick it around a bit and see if I can't figure that out]
[11:01] <Laney> I saw that too before
[11:01] <Laney> it would just close when you clicked it
[11:01] <Laney> had to hold the mouse button down
[11:02] <Laney> that'll be a problem with unity or something else though
[11:02] <Laney> so as long as the menu item works, we're cool bro
[11:02] <davmor2> Laney: yeah it closes as soon as you let go of the mouse button
[11:07] <Laney> BAH
[11:13] <davmor2> Laney: so restarted bluetooth and killed the indicator at the same time now it is working as expected
[11:14] <Laney> davmor2: thanks old bean
[11:44] <ochosi> Laney: hey, quick question since you committed a patch to gnome-screensaver - is that thing actually alive? i thought it was merged into gnome-shell and gdm?
[11:44] <Laney> ochosi: it's used in unity
[11:45] <ochosi> Laney: i thought you had your own locker developed?
[11:45] <Laney> I thought I might as well commit it in case someone else finds it useful
[11:46] <ochosi> or maybe i'm confused, but it seemed like something UI-wise integrated with unity
[11:46] <Laney> ya, but with a11y turned on it falls back
[11:46] <ochosi> oh
[11:46] <Laney> because the unity one isn't compatible with screen readers
[11:46] <ochosi> i see
[11:46] <ochosi> it's not actively developed by either gnome or you guys though, right?
[11:46] <Laney> nope
[11:50] <ochosi> ok, good to know
[11:50] <ochosi> thanks!
[12:29] <ximion> Laney: LDC is fixed in Debian now :)
[12:29] <Laney> winning
[12:30] <Laney> well done on getting onto the maintainers list ;)
[12:30] <ximion> Laney: sometimes you need to make sacrifices :P
[12:31] <ximion> the actual maintainer is working on bootstrapping the thing for the other architectures
[12:31] <Laney> arm isn't that happy
[12:31] <ximion> we'll probably drop armel, since LLVM apparently is broken on that architecture
[12:31] <ximion> all other arches just need (re)bootstrapping
[12:32] <ximion> Laney: also, if I run asgen locally, it's memory usage is always around 1G, which is exactly what I would expect
[12:33] <Laney> maybe try with a remote mirror
[12:33] <ximion> that will take ages with my slow connection :P
[12:33] <ximion> unless I find a very small one
[12:34] <ximion> Laney: the .desktop file parsing will be done in libappstream at some point, btw - I need a proper parser there anyway, so asgen could simply use it
[12:35] <Laney> cool
[12:35] <Laney> glib should be able to do what you need
[12:36] <ximion> well, glib is already used
[12:36] <ximion> I am basically rewriting D code in C :P
[12:36] <ximion> libas is already reading desktop entries, but only for validation, it isn't doing anything with them
[12:36] <BalanelSiAzorel> when will we enjoy unity 8 and mir?
[12:37] <BalanelSiAzorel> i just read 16.10 will still have unity 7 and x
[12:37] <BalanelSiAzorel> its been announced so many times and every time change of heart/mind
[12:38] <Laney> ximion: I mean that you don't have to write a parser, just wrap glib
[12:38] <Laney> BalanelSiAzorel: It'll be in 16.10 as a non default option (preview kind of thing)
[12:38] <BalanelSiAzorel> preview aka a glimpse aka it wont actually be usable
[12:38] <ximion> Laney: that's what I do ^^ - "parser" is a pretty strong word there :P
[12:39] <Laney> ok :P
[12:39]  * Laney knows about crazy ximion ideas
[12:39] <Laney> hand-tuned assembly!
[12:39] <BalanelSiAzorel> Laney, are u ubuntu developer?
[12:40] <Laney> Yep
[12:40] <jbicha> BalanelSiAzorel: that was announced months ago http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/ubuntu-16-10-unity-8-default-desktop
[12:40] <BalanelSiAzorel> it wont use by default doesnt mean preview
[12:41] <BalanelSiAzorel> its like saying lxde isnt used as default and when i try to install it and use it oops! its only a preview
[12:42] <BalanelSiAzorel> i really care about ubuntu
[12:43] <ximion> Laney: do you think asgen will be ready for Yakkety? Because if not, hughsie found a bug in the old generator that apparently makes his asglib not read the output file
[12:43] <ximion> that bug doesn't exist in asgen
[12:43] <Laney> ximion: No way, I didn't look at the immutable stuff yet
[12:44] <ximion> Laney: it should work(tm)
[12:44]  * ximion tested it here
[12:44] <Laney> Not going to be able to try it before the release
[12:44] <Laney> does the bug affect Ubuntu's output?
[12:45] <ximion> jup
[12:45] <ximion> it's simply an empty-string for a category
[12:45] <ximion> because some .desktop file hat
[12:45] <ximion> "XYZ;;ABC;" as Categories=
[12:45] <Laney> ok, is there an asglib patch?
[12:46] <ximion> and asglib chokes on that
[12:46] <ximion> no, hughsie says it's a generator bug, and I agree with him on that
[12:46] <ximion> asglib should handle that bug much better than it does right now though :P
[12:47] <Laney> what does it do?
[12:47] <Laney> ignore that component or?
[12:47] <ximion> ignore the whole file
[12:47] <Laney> https://github.com/hughsie/appstream-glib/commit/f0990480624f7f76f6d82a4d1d7356464e340880
[12:47] <ximion> aha, so he did make it fail gracefully
[12:48] <Laney> looks like it wilil skip those now
[12:48] <Laney> will cherry-pick that
[12:48] <BalanelSiAzorel> guys, i backup my root partition using rsync
[12:49] <BalanelSiAzorel> i edit grub config file and set timeout to 1
[12:49] <BalanelSiAzorel> but every time i boot, timeout is still 10 secs
[12:49] <BalanelSiAzorel> i have two partitions with the same content, but only one is the root and rw
[12:50] <didrocks> BalanelSiAzorel: users questions and debates should go to #ubuntu, here is a developer channel for developping, helping the distro itself
[12:50] <BalanelSiAzorel> i edited the grub.cfg file but ive been told its not the orthodox way to do it
[12:50] <didrocks> BalanelSiAzorel: to answer on your question, I bet you didn't run sudo update-grub2
[12:50] <BalanelSiAzorel> i did
[12:50] <Laney> ximion: want to add me to pkg-packagekit?
[12:50] <didrocks> BalanelSiAzorel: in that case, #ubuntu could help you (or stackoverflow)
[12:50] <Laney> I'll cherry-pick that thing to debian and sync it
[12:50] <BalanelSiAzorel> guys, grub timeout variable doesnt work
[12:51] <Laney> you're missing 0.6.3 too
[13:00] <desrt> happy monday, all
[13:01] <ximion> Laney: sure
[13:02] <ximion> Laney: we need an effort to get font metadata info Debian, btw
[13:02] <Laney> sounds like fun
[13:02] <Laney> hi desrt!
[13:03] <ximion> Paul Wise at the fonts team says that the people wouldn't add metainfo files unless that can be automated - but if it could be automated, I would have done that in asgen already :P
[13:03] <desrt> hey laney :)
[13:03] <desrt> good weekend?
[13:03] <Laney> quite acceptable
[13:03] <Laney> allotment, climbing, cycling, tapas
[13:04] <desrt> :)
[13:04] <Laney> you?
[13:04] <ximion> Laney: can you request membership of the project on Alioth?
[13:04] <desrt> helped a friend move this weekend, mostly
[13:05] <Laney> rent-a-muscle?
[13:05] <desrt> nah.  the muscle was indeed rented
[13:05] <Laney> ximion: depends on whether I can login
[13:06]  * ximion also needed a few trials to guess his password
[13:06] <Laney> I can
[13:06] <Laney> win
[13:06] <desrt> we mostly packed boxes on saturday and unpacked them (in the new place) on sunday
[13:07] <Laney> urgh
[13:07] <Laney> I hate that
[13:07] <Laney> next time I move I will consider paying someone to perform that task
[13:07] <ximion> Laney: should we ping sbeattie somehow so he can get his LDC upload out of limbo with the changes in Debian?
[13:08] <desrt> that task is sort of personal in nature, unfortunately
[13:08] <desrt> and it's a really good chance to go through all your stuff and decide, on an item-by-item basis, "ya... i guess i don't really need this anymore..."
[13:09] <Laney> ximion: you can try - it's going tob e annoying if it has to be bootstrapped though
[13:09] <ximion> Laney: it has to be bootstrapped, unfortunately, on all architectures where the busted compiler built before :(
[13:11] <Laney> might be easier to do this in Z
[13:32]  * flexiondotorg returns from lunch
[13:37] <mterry> Where's seb at?  I wanted to poke him about wanting a review on https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/geonames/search-countries-too/+merge/303864 -- so I'll just vaguely poke this channel instead
[13:38] <didrocks> mterry: holidayyyyyys
[13:38] <mterry> nice
[13:38] <mterry> best reason for not being online  :)
[13:38] <didrocks> exactly! :)
[13:44] <davmor2> Laney, cyphermox: should I be concerned that ubiquity is crashing from the live session?
[13:46] <cyphermox> davmor2: probably, yes
[13:48] <davmor2> cyphermox: bug 1629884
[13:50] <davmor2> cyphermox: this is a live session when I installed updates and https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2037/+packages in order to test those fixes but I can't see how the packages installed would affect ubiquity
[13:51] <cyphermox> well unity-settings-daemon need to run in the live session, so maybe there's something odd there
[13:51] <davmor2> cyphermox: oh I enabled wifi too as it is the broadcom chip, I'll try a fresh image on vm and see if I can reproduce there
[13:51] <cyphermox> does it crash if you do the same and not update these packages
[13:52] <davmor2> cyphermox: 1 step ahead of you dude ;)
[13:55] <davmor2> cyphermox: so I got to the first page by opening it in vm I'll reboot this xps and see if it works there from a fresh start
[13:56] <audio_heroin> i wanna configure ubuntu so that when i press power button, it shuts down instantly without interactive message/information/dialog boxes (editing  logind.conf wont do anything)
[14:03] <davmor2> cyphermox: nice so it is working fine on the default usb stick so something to do with the updates by the sound of it :)
[14:06] <Laney> I don't believe that
[14:07] <Laney> I think you'd know it if unity-settings-daemon wasn't started
[14:15] <Laney> lunchington
[14:20] <cyphermox> davmor2: it's not u-s-d
[14:26] <GunnarHj> Laney: Noticed via bug #1554878 that XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP now is "Unity:Unity7". I think there is a need to modify language-selector and im-config accordingly; will look at it. Do you possibly know if the value for Flashback has been changed to "GNOME-Flashback:GNOME" yet, or is it still "GNOME-Flashback:Unity" (or maybe "GNOME-Flashback:Unity7"....)? Is im-config used in Unity 8?
[15:10] <Laney> GunnarHj: Yes they need fixing; I'm doing it this afternoon
[15:10] <Laney> No idea what the value is in Flashback, sorry
[15:10] <Laney> You can check DesktopNames in the flashback package
[15:13] <GunnarHj> Laney: I can make the changes, if you like. Going to check Flashback first.
[15:13] <Laney> GunnarHj: OK, if you like
[15:14] <Laney> GunnarHj: Do you know about IFS in shell scripts?
[15:14] <GunnarHj> Laney: I knew about IFS, but would need to read up on it. Is it applicable here?
[15:15] <Laney> GunnarHj: Yep, you can set it to ":" to loop over XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[15:16] <GunnarHj> Laney: Right, will consider it. Thanks.
[15:16] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23270541/
[15:16] <GunnarHj> Laney: And thanks for the snippet. :)
[15:18] <Laney> GunnarHj: No worries - let me know if you want a review
[15:19] <Laney> For language-selector it's probably just replacing the 'in' and '!=' with the right set operations on the whole set and removing [-1] and [0]
[15:21] <GunnarHj> Laney: Ok.. Since it's so late in the cycle, I'll make a proposal and ask for your review tomorrow.
[15:22] <Laney> 'k
[15:30] <willcooke> desktoppers - I'm going to be in London tomorrow now
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> OK
[15:30] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, if you're at a lose end, and fancy a trip in to the big smoke, let me know and I'll tell reception
[15:31] <willcooke> loose
[15:42] <Laney> GunnarHj: I found a workaround that means we don't have to have the multiple valued DesktopNames
[15:42] <Laney> wondering whether to do it or try to fix the bugs
[15:52] <GunnarHj> Laney: What's your idea?
[15:53] <Laney> Unity 8 doesn't respect NotShowIn so I can just make ubuntu-terminal-app have NotShowIn=Unity
[15:54] <GunnarHj> Laney: Hmm.. How is that related to the changes in l-s and im-config we talked about?
[15:55] <Laney> because it was for the Unity 8 terminal that I made the change to XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[15:55] <GunnarHj> Laney: Aha, I see. Ok, it's your call I suppose.
[15:55] <Laney> changing it has exposed bugs in XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP handling in quite a few components
[15:56] <Laney> it might not be too clever to try and get all of those in the time remaining
[15:56] <GunnarHj> Laney: Yeah, that kind of change should better not be made late in a cycle, I suppose, if it can be avoided.
[15:58] <GunnarHj> Laney: Please let me know whatever you decide.
[15:59] <Laney> GunnarHj: I think I'll do what I just said
[15:59] <Laney> don't let that stop you doing the fixes though if you want - we should revert back to the current situation in Z-cycle
[15:59] <Laney> because sooner or later Unity 8 will fix NotShowIn and then the terminal will go invisible
[15:59] <Laney> which would be kind of bad :)
[16:01] <GunnarHj> Laney: In that case I'll make the change to be prepared. Just a question: Shouldn't it rather be "Unity7:Unity" rather than the other way around?
[16:01] <Laney> Dunno
[16:01] <Laney> why does it matter?
[16:01] <Laney> I don't think there's any priority expressed there, is there?
[16:03] <GunnarHj> Laney: Not sure. There is a protocol or something somewhere, I think. The one who called my attention to the multiple value thing last cycle was darkxst.
[16:04] <Laney> As far as I know the order isn't significant
[16:07] <ximion> Laney: LDC in Debian is fully working now, and will hopefully enter testing soon \o/
[16:08] <Laney> nice
[16:13] <GunnarHj> Laney: In a discussion on the topic I had with darkxst, he seemed to assume that either Unity or GNOME should be the last item in the list. Can't tell if there is anything authoritative said about it, though.
[16:13] <GunnarHj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1551283/comments/31
[16:15] <Laney> GunnarHj: It would be better to make them cope with the values anywhere in the list
[16:15] <GunnarHj> Laney: Ok, then I'll base my proposal on that.
[17:08] <willcooke> night all.  I'll be on tomorrow first thing then head off to that London mid morning
[17:09] <willcooke> bzzzzt
[17:09] <willcooke> Got a meeting with Robert at 9, so I might as well keep this open
[19:45] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi
[19:46] <willcooke> morning robert_ancell
[20:06] <willcooke> night all
[20:06] <willcooke> (off to London tomorrow)