[03:30] <Unit193> That tends to be expected, ubiquity is lovely. :/
[06:38] <flocculant> Unit193: I assume that was for me :)
[07:31] <ochosi> bluesabre: well i dunno, it can't really hurt too badly, can it? not sure though why so many files are marked as modified, i didn't tamper with 99% of them
[09:29] <bluesabre> ochosi, only asking since we're past UIFe and should somebody ask, I don't want to provide a visual grep :D
[09:29] <bluesabre> s/UIFe/UIF
[09:48] <ochosi> bluesabre: sure, you can always revert that commit if you feel the UIFe is going to be smoother without it
[09:48] <ochosi> the two commits are very clear and isolated though
[09:49] <ochosi> one was for the audio-volume-off icon, which we don't need just yet, but it's prep for new notifyd and volumed-pulse
[09:49] <ochosi> and the new symlink for totem is the other one
[09:49] <ochosi> not sure anymore whether that one already affects yy
[09:49] <ochosi> https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/commits/master
[10:37] <bluesabre> ochosi, alrighty, and it looks like the rest is just office and js mimes
[10:37] <bluesabre> should be able to slip that through painlessly
[10:38] <nairwolf> Hi guys, I'm reading my mails. Have you seen the mail from makisto@gmail.com at xubuntu-devel mailing-list ? He talks about something broken with update-manager
[10:38] <nairwolf> Have you already talked about that ? 
[10:38] <nairwolf> I would like to ask him more information because his message is unclear.
[10:39] <bluesabre> nairwolf, we haven't, and I'm actually stepping out now... if you'd like, can you take a look and see if that's really required?
[10:39] <bluesabre> bbl
[10:40] <nairwolf> Yes, I'll do that, I'm currently downloading the last build.
[10:57] <akxwi-dave> nairwolf:  you doing 64 or 32 bit?
[11:00] <nairwolf> 64 bits
[11:00] <nairwolf> I only have 64 bits computer
[11:00] <nairwolf> why ?
[11:02] <akxwi-dave>  I was just doing the same..  I'll drag down the 32 bit instead.. that way both versions are covered..
[11:05] <flocculant> as an aside - update-manager appears here (when it thinks a restart is needed) and I *do* have that package - came with the usb installer
[11:08] <nairwolf> ok, thank you akxwi-dave ;)
[11:11] <flocculant> I can leave updating with first cuppa tomorrow and see if update-manager does start, but iirc it tends to be flaky on dev installs anyway
[11:11] <nairwolf> flocculant: ok, so you don't understand what this message means ?
[11:11] <flocculant> I understand that I don't think they said what they meant to :p
[11:12] <nairwolf> I agree with you :p
[11:12] <flocculant> I sent a reply too
[11:14] <nairwolf> great
[11:14] <nairwolf> The bug related to sleep mode is fixed, right ? 
[11:14] <flocculant> yup
[11:15] <nairwolf> As I was away from keyboard last weeks, I'm trying to see what's new. And Yakkety seems really stable !
[11:16] <flocculant> yep
[11:16] <flocculant> that's good - it releases in a couple of weeks lol
[11:17] <nairwolf> yes, I'm happy for that, so I will upgrade parents' computer to 16.10 ;)
[11:17] <nairwolf> lunch time, see you later
[12:57] <nairwolf> flocculant: I can confirm there is something broken with update-manager
[12:58] <nairwolf> I'm running the last build, and I've just opened update-manager and it caused a crash
[12:59] <nairwolf> but, I can't report it because it is said "the problem cannot be reported: this is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again"
[13:03] <nairwolf> Someone here is foss.freedom@gmail.com ? 
[13:08] <akxwi-dave> Can confirm the same as Nairwolf on 32bit..  not sure when this error started..  as i am sure that i have run update-manager on earlier releases
[13:12] <nairwolf> badly, that's not something I'm using regularly with my computer
[13:13] <nairwolf> akxwi-dave: Rob Peters from the mailing-list said it's already reported on launchpad, but I don't see the bug. do you see it ? 
[13:14] <akxwi-dave> apport popped up asking to report clicked ok and then it just closed..
[13:14] <nairwolf> maybe you'll see this message "please remove any third party package and try again"
[13:25] <krytarik> @all: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main/revision/2742
[13:25] <meetingology> krytarik: Error: "all:" is not a valid command.
[13:25] <krytarik> Woops.
[13:29] <akxwi-dave> that matches with this I would guess
[13:30] <akxwi-dave> error https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Fz0OP2zN/software%20updater
[13:59] <nairwolf> akxwi-dave: I have the same one
[14:10] <flocculant> ok - so as long as it's reported - we can safely leave it be
[14:11] <flocculant> certainly running it from terminal here it just works
[14:15] <flocculant> bug 1623296
[14:15] <ubottu> Error: Launchpad bug 1623296 could not be found
[14:15] <flocculant> ok - guessing that the reason people can't find it is because it's a private bug
[14:23] <flocculant> ftr 'sometimes' if you scroll down the apport dialogue you'll see the dupe bug number
[14:25] <flocculant> krytarik: so the revision for update-manager is where it broke? and expected fix? 
[14:26] <flocculant> before I wander off to -release ... 
[14:31] <flocculant> Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-usb, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-usb, lubuntu-gtk-desktop, lubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-gnome-desktop, ubuntukylin-desktop, ubuntu-mate-desktop
[14:32] <flocculant> bluesabre: for gir1.2-unity-5.0 ^^ and we certainly appear to need it to
[14:37] <flocculant> krytarik: nvm - I'll not be wandering anywhere now :p
[14:38] <krytarik> flocculant: I guess something like "except (ValueError, ImportError) as e:" here should be sufficient: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main/view/head:/UpdateManager/UnitySupport.py#L34
[14:38] <flocculant> maybe
[14:39] <flocculant> someone would know - that someone not being me :p
[14:39] <flocculant> then we'd not need the extra packages?
[14:39] <krytarik> Yup.
[14:41] <flocculant> krytarik: is editing that file on an install then trying sufficient ? or do I need to do some tomfoolery - that would make no sense to me? 
[14:41] <flocculant> cos I can do that easily enough in a vm
[14:41] <krytarik> Yep, it is.
[14:41] <flocculant> k - I'll muck about for 5 minutes then
[14:49] <flocculant> yep - that works
[14:50] <krytarik> \o/
[14:50] <flocculant> now do an mp? 
[14:51] <krytarik> Sure, have fun. :P
[14:51] <flocculant> that said
[14:51] <flocculant> if I install gir thing - don't get masses of warnings in the terminal :p
[14:54] <flocculant> paste.ubuntu.com/23270481
[14:55] <flocculant> update-manager at least working
[14:55] <flocculant> with the gir thing - no warnings 
[14:56]  * flocculant lets bluesabre think about that instead of him
[14:57] <flocculant> there's enough warnings running things from terminal as it is without making more :p
[15:06] <flocculant> krytarik: actually because I managed to report the bug here I did mp and linked it
[15:06] <flocculant> also made bug not private - did it from vm
[15:07] <flocculant> akxwi-dave nairwolf - bug 1629900
[15:07] <ubottu> bug 1629900 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with ValueError in require_version(): Namespace Unity not available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1629900
[15:07] <flocculant> krytarik: thanks too :)
[15:14] <flocculant> mmm - so reading the bug and the unitysupport.py thing - I can actually see what was going wrong and what was needed - not that I'd have known to (ValueError ... though :p
[15:14] <nairwolf> Thank you flocculant !
[15:20] <flocculant> it won't be long before that bug you can see gets marked as a dupe of one you can't see
[16:08] <flocculant> thanks krytarik - poked in -release now, up to them now :)
[19:22] <knome> bluesabre, need any help with the artwork/slideshow uploads?
[20:27] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [shimmer-themes-debian] r17 d/greybird-gtk-theme.docs: README → README.md (by Unit 193)
[20:32] <ochosi> bluesabre: i disabled bugtracking for volumed-pulse in launchpad and added a link to xfce's git: https://launchpad.net/xfce4-volumed-pulse what i couldn't fix so far is that there's still code on LP, would be nice if we could get that dropped too
[20:35] <ochosi> bluesabre: right, switching to git made the bzr branches hidden by default, maybe this is already ok: https://code.launchpad.net/xfce4-volumed-pulse
[21:48] <ochosi> bluesabre: also, i've merged my feature branch into xfce4-notifyd's master, if you wanna try the do-not-disturb mode or the primary monitor setting
[23:03] <Unit193> Heh, so the private bug was reported by someone using Xubuntu. \o/
[23:50] <bluesabre> evening all
[23:51] <knome> 'lo
[23:52] <bluesabre> ochosi, feel free to comment on (or poke with) https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/392667
[23:54] <bluesabre> knome, nice to see that our uife bug went ignored :D
[23:54] <bluesabre> (s)
[23:54] <knome> hah
[23:55] <bluesabre> I'll probably go ahead and get the packaging together, add a xubuntu-release comment and upload
[23:55] <knome> :)
[23:55] <bluesabre> doesn't affect any of the other releases ;)
[23:55] <knome> i can try to poke people tomorrow
[23:56] <bluesabre> if you'd like
[23:56] <bluesabre> I'm going to try to figure out what the icon changes were
[23:56] <knome> :)