[00:20] <tsimonq2> Unit193: I heard some packagesets have things in main?
[10:32] <sudodus> o/ tsimonq2
[10:45] <tsimonq2> sudodus: hi :)
[10:45] <tsimonq2> sudodus: sorry I'm late from our planned time, this is when I wake up in the morning
[10:45] <tsimonq2> sudodus: around?
[10:47] <sudodus> Yes, I see you now :-)
[10:48] <tsimonq2> so what do you have done in Git?
[10:48] <tsimonq2> have you done anything since our last little meeting?
[10:49] <sudodus> yes, some minor things are uploaded. The unstable ppa contains mkusb 11.0.8
[10:50] <sudodus> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/v11
[10:50] <tsimonq2> ok cool
[10:51] <tsimonq2> I don't remember if I fully set up the stable PPA
[10:51] <tsimonq2> this is why I wanted to meet again, I don't remember what you know :)
[10:51] <sudodus> and there is an unofficial version of mkusb-nox, that I'm working on, that can create USB boot drives of Windows 7-10
[10:52] <tsimonq2> ok
[10:52] <sudodus> I am still uploading directly to the PPA, not yet via github
[10:53] <tsimonq2> sudodus: so I assume that the Debian package removed that little blob that made it unacceptable to go into Debian?
[10:53] <tsimonq2> I mean, did you remove it?
[10:54] <tsimonq2> I thought I heard something about that
[10:54] <sudodus> do you mean usb-pack-efi?
[10:54] <tsimonq2> maybe, please explain
[10:54] <sudodus> It is a separate package now.
[10:56] <sudodus> usb-pack-efi was originally uploaded by Andre Rodovalho, and helps creating drives, that can boot in UEFI mode, even with Ubuntu family 32-bit iso files.
[10:56] <tsimonq2> and you have made sure that it will absolutely 100% work without it?
[10:56] <tsimonq2> (if people don't want it)
[10:57] <sudodus> It is possible to create drives that boot in BIOS mode and UEFI mode from 64-bit iso files *without* usb-pack-efi.
[10:58] <tsimonq2> ok, and you've properly made people aware of that when using mkusb?
[10:59] <sudodus> See this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/persistent#A2._Using_data_from_the_source_iso_file
[10:59] <sudodus> what do you mean properly?
[11:01] <tsimonq2> I'm thinking about some way of implementing a notice like, "usb-pack-ufi not detected" and explaining hy
[11:01] <tsimonq2> *why
[11:01] <sudodus> There is a pop up window, where you can select usb-pack-efi (if it is installed). You can select to use it or not use it.
[11:01] <tsimonq2> ok cool
[11:02] <tsimonq2> have you fully tested this on Debian?
[11:02] <sudodus> Please run mkusb (to create a persistent live drive) and try with and without usb-pack-efi!
[11:02] <sudodus> When making standard live-only drives, usb-pack-efi is not used at all
[11:03] <tsimonq2> ok good
[11:03] <sudodus> Yes, I think so - in Debian Jessie
[11:03] <tsimonq2> what about Sid and Stretch?
[11:03] <tsimonq2> because that's where they will go
[11:05] <tsimonq2> sudodus: after this I'll take one more look and go hunt down some victims...I MEAN DDs to upload ;) XD
[11:05] <tsimonq2> sudodus: then once that's done, it'll sync down to Ubuntu, and if anybody yells I'll be there :P
[11:06] <sudodus> years ago I tested in Wheezy. I have not tested in any other version. I remember that it took time until it worked in Jessie - during the early stages things were weird (compared to Ubuntu), but getting closer to release things were getting nice. (I did some fixes for persistence, the functionality for live-only drives is very straight-forward and works in many linux distros).
[11:07] <tsimonq2> also since it says "works in Ubuntu" in some spots, once you've tested it, you should make sure that those spots are updated to include Debian
[11:08] <sudodus> Yes, I agree, it should be validated for both Ubuntu and Debian.
[11:09] <sudodus> Do you mean in the documentation - which documentation?
[11:09] <tsimonq2> aren't there some parts of the program that say that?
[11:10] <tsimonq2> I remember hearing the DD I was talking to saying something like that
[11:10] <sudodus> Do you mean in the scripts mkusb and mkusb-nox themselves. That is easy to check :-)
[11:11] <sudodus> What is DD?
[11:11] <tsimonq2> yup, that's what I'm talking about :)
[11:11] <tsimonq2> Debian Developer, they have upload access to the Debian archive
[11:12] <sudodus> We'll try to keep the Debian Developers happy.
[11:12] <tsimonq2> yep ;)
[11:14] <tsimonq2> so you say you've done no releasing in GitHub. have you committed at all?
[11:14] <sudodus> I grepped the script files, and yes, there is a home-work to do, to modify the text strings mentioning Ubuntu to include Debian
[11:15] <sudodus> I did it once, right after our first meeting, but after that I have been waiting for you
[11:15] <tsimonq2> ok, but in order for me to package mkusb in a good way, ideally you'd git tag when you release
[11:15] <tsimonq2> what's been the changelog since we last spoke? :)
[11:17] <sudodus> The strict changelog file is a short version of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/v11
[11:18] <sudodus> mkusb (11.0.8-1ubuntu1) xenial; urgency=medium
[11:18] <sudodus>   * bug-fix: default isdisplay=0 (alias default 'OK')
[11:18] <sudodus>  -- Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@gmail.com>  Thu, 22 Sep 2016 06:42:34 +0200
[11:18] <sudodus> mkusb (11.0.7-1ubuntu1) xenial; urgency=medium
[11:18] <sudodus>   * fixes for Fedora 24 and openSUSE 42.1
[11:18] <sudodus>  -- Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@gmail.com>  Wed, 21 Sep 2016 10:04:42 +0200
[11:18] <sudodus> mkusb (11.0.5-1ubuntu1) xenial; urgency=medium
[11:18] <sudodus>   * fix to manage 'flash cards' seen as /dev/mmcblk0, /dev/mmcblk1
[11:18] <sudodus>   * function select_source_as_user runs 'as user' not 'as root'
[11:18] <sudodus>  -- Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@gmail.com>  Wed, 21 Sep 2016 06:41:01 +0200
[11:18] <sudodus> mkusb (11.0.2-1ubuntu1) xenial; urgency=medium
[11:18] <sudodus>   * The security upgrade action can be modified (persistent live)
[11:18] <sudodus>   * 'Download and install automatically' ---> 'Display immediately'
[11:18] <sudodus>  -- Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@gmail.com>  Sat, 03 Sep 2016 20:34:48 +0200
[11:18] <sudodus> mkusb (11.0.1-1ubuntu1) xenial; urgency=medium
[11:18] <sudodus>   * function get_usb_pack_efi created
[11:18] <sudodus>  -- Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@gmail.com>  Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:26:03 +0200
[11:18] <sudodus> mkusb (11.0.0-1ubuntu12) xenial; urgency=medium
[11:18] <sudodus>   * improved the script and removed man-page for usb-pack-efi
[11:18] <sudodus>  -- Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@gmail.com>  Tue, 26 Jul 2016 04:16:11 +0200
[11:20] <tsimonq2> ok
[11:20] <tsimonq2> sudodus: if you let me know when you've tested on Debian Sid and Stretch, I'll poke the DDs then :)
[11:20] <tsimonq2> but otherwise seems good to me
[11:22] <sudodus> OK. If there are problems (which I suspect), it will take time, because I'm unusually busy this week. Next week there should be more time for this task.
[11:22] <tsimonq2> ok, thanks sudodus! :)
[11:22] <tsimonq2> I have to go now, gotta get ready for school
[11:23] <tsimonq2> sudodus: if you have anything else to discuss, don't hesitate to shoot me an email :)
[11:23] <tsimonq2> o/
[11:23] <sudodus> Ok, nice to have this chat. Good bye :-)
[18:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: see the logs for my convo with Nio this morning
[18:03] <wxl> tsimonq2: tl;dr what's the point?
[18:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: one more tweak on Nio's side before mkusb gets into Debian
[18:04] <wxl> nice
[21:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: accept invite pls
[21:14] <wxl> huh?
[21:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: for lubuntu-devel-notifications
[21:15] <wxl> aren't you admin? i'm slammed at work?
[21:16] <tsimonq2> wxl: I can't directly subscribe users
[21:16] <wxl> ?
[21:16] <wxl> then how am i supposed to do it? XD
[21:17] <tsimonq2> wxl: confirm
[21:17] <wxl> i'm confused
[21:18] <tsimonq2> THERE ya go
[21:18] <wxl> um so where's my password?
[21:18] <tsimonq2> wxl: um so I'll forward it to you. go do work stuff. :P
[21:19] <wxl> nevermind i'll ask for a remidner
[21:21] <wxl> tsimonq2: make sure to announce to list and blog and such
[21:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: once I get everything rolling
[21:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: it's still a WIP
[21:22] <wxl> kk