[03:37] <starlord> hi
[03:37] <starlord> anyone there
[03:37] <Stanley00> starlord: hi
[03:38] <starlord> I need to install ubuntu on my android device will the android device brick
[03:39] <Stanley00> starlord: rarely, but it still can be bricked
[03:40] <starlord> how to avoid bricking
[03:42] <Stanley00> starlord: you can't, but it's rarely brick. You just need backup your data, and make sure you know how to unbrick (just in case)
[03:43] <starlord> ok thanks for help
[03:43] <Stanley00> starlord: welcome :3
[05:04] <Tims_Tech> goodmorning
[06:21] <sebsebseb> hi
[07:05] <torusJKL> jgdx: In the end I was able to upgrade to OTA-13 by flashing first the delta and afterwards the full OTA files.
[07:30] <torusJKL> Hi everyone. I have an odd behavior with the Location.
[07:31] <torusJKL> I'm using a Pro5 64GB chinese version and have GPS with anonymised Wi-Fi activated.
[07:31] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: right ok
[07:31] <torusJKL> The problem is that uNav, Here and Google maps (unofficial) sometimes work well and sometimes do not update the locatin at all.
[07:32] <torusJKL> How can I find out where the problem is?
[07:32] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: I see your from England like me, and not China,  well that's partly all so the Chiense can't spy on you, since you got a chinese version
[07:32] <sebsebseb> actsaully what did you mean by that more seriously
[07:32] <sebsebseb> chinese version?
[07:32] <sebsebseb> Yes Meizu is chinese, but you specifically put chinese
[07:32] <sebsebseb> version
[07:33] <torusJKL> I mean the Meizu Pro5 with $GB Ram and 64GB storage is not the international version.
[07:33] <sebsebseb> that probably won't matter much
[07:33] <torusJKL> It an only be bought as a chinese version.
[07:33] <sebsebseb> since  it should just detect location I guess via gps and wifi
[07:33] <torusJKL> I'm just mentioning it.
[07:33] <torusJKL> Because it is not the official Pro5 version.
[07:34] <sebsebseb> the Androdi version?
[07:34] <sebsebseb> was it the Android version?
[07:34] <torusJKL> Yes. Was Android. Not anymore.
[07:34] <sebsebseb> that you put ubuntu on yourself
[07:34] <sebsebseb> oh right ok
[07:34] <sebsebseb> hmm
[07:34] <sebsebseb> right well
[07:34] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: are you  also using ubuntu touch in well developer mode I guess
[07:35] <sebsebseb> I think I read some wehre that if putting it on the bq devices anyway oneself, sure it's ubuntu touch, but in developer  mode have to run it, and actsaully I think I read that can then have an issue with the here maps etc
[07:35] <sebsebseb> for some reason
[07:35] <sebsebseb> the gps  thing the maps the yeah
[07:35] <sebsebseb> I guess that could also apply to a Android pro 5 that put ubuntu on oneself then
[07:36] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: pretty sure I read some wehre that on bq anyway if what I put above, it mostly works, but can have a problem with hear maps
[07:36] <torusJKL> In my case the problem is also with uNav and Google maps.
[07:37] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: yeah it's probably to do with having the andorid version and putting ubuntu on it yourself, and something to do with that
[07:37] <torusJKL> Is there a way to know if GPS is working?
[07:37] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: if popey  was around for example though, I expect he could confirm if that's the case or not, with an offical ubuntu pro 5 edition
[07:38] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: I don't think many people here actually have the pro 5, but I know for a fact that popey does
[07:42] <torusJKL> sebsebseb: Thanks, maybe popey is coming online later. If you find where it is written please let me know.
[07:44] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: popey is usaully quite active in ubuntu channels
[07:44] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: plus he works for Canonical for quite a while now as well so
[07:44] <sebsebseb> torusJKL: however  it's not 9am yet, but soon, he may not be at work yet etc
[07:54] <torusJKL> sebsebseb: This looks very similar to my problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/location-service/+bug/1468020
[07:56] <popey> torusJKL: morning, wassup?
[07:56] <torusJKL> Good morning popey.
[07:56] <torusJKL> Trying to find out why my GPS does not work from time to time.
[07:56] <sebsebseb> on a pro 5, that had Android on it first
[07:58] <torusJKL> Yesterday I was driving with uNav and it worked well for a few minutes and then did not update anymore.
[07:58] <torusJKL> This was not the first time it happened.
[07:58] <torusJKL> And in such a case no other maps app will work anymore. Here, Google maps...
[07:59] <popey> Does it work if you power off the device (not reboot, but power off) for a while then power on?
[07:59] <torusJKL> I would need to try it.
[08:02] <torusJKL> Is there anything else I can do to de-bug it?
[08:02] <torusJKL> I saw in the above mentioned bug report something about gdb.
[08:04] <popey> Not my specialist subject, but I'd look for whatever goes on other gps related bugs
[08:06] <torusJKL> Do you experience GPS problems on your Pro5?
[08:12] <popey> torusJKL: I don't use it often enough to know
[08:14] <jgdx> torusJKL, glad to hear it
[08:15] <jgdx> torusJKL, I use it often and it's quite fast. Usually i'm connected to a wifi though
[08:17] <popey> Yeah, that also, I am rarely away from wifi (except today ironically)
[08:17] <jgdx> are you hiking popey
[08:18] <popey> hehe, no, in the london office :)
[08:20] <jgdx> :)
[08:20] <davmor2> torusJKL: currently gps isn't able to use cell towers for positioning so the agps works off of wifi and last known position, if you turn off wifi then you are left with gps only.  That can take up to 15 minutes to get a fix from a cold start
[08:21] <sebsebseb> popey: oh whilst your there, I guess find out why I haen't been conntacted properly about that loco pack then ?
[08:21] <popey> i will ask
[08:21] <sebsebseb> popey: did I even put an address in the form, I don't remember
[08:21] <torusJKL> davmor2: this could be the problem. I started GPS with Wifi and did not have any Wifi connection anymore once it stopped working.
[08:23] <davmor2> torusJKL: once it has a gps fix it should stay connected and track as expected
[08:23] <torusJKL> But does GPS still needs 15 minutes even if the initial position was with Wifi assitance?
[08:23] <sebsebseb> popey: ok thanks
[08:25] <davmor2> torusJKL: no with wifi assistance you should get a satellite fix in 5-30 seconds
[08:28] <duflu> sebsebseb: New name?
[08:31] <davmor2> duflu: no just on pc over tablet at a guess
[08:32] <torusJKL> davmor2: than this was not the problem. I had Wifi at the beginning and GPS was working for a few minutes.
[09:33] <KrisJace> there is no mor /userdata/system.img on my Ubuntu Phone, what happened to it?
[10:12] <tvoss> torusJKL: do you have wifi explicitly disabled?
[10:13] <torusJKL> tvoss: no, wifi is always on.
[10:14] <tvoss> torusJKL: okay, what device are you using? also: could you try to reboot the device, please?
[10:15] <torusJKL> tvoss: I'm using a Pro5. 64GB version.
[10:15] <torusJKL> Currently GPS works because I'm at home.
[10:15] <tvoss> hmmm, that's interesting
[10:15] <tvoss> torusJKL: where does it fail to work?
[10:23] <torusJKL> I can't say for certain. Never at home. It looked random till now. Most of the time after a few minutes.
[11:50] <tvoss> torusJKL: I will try to reproduce
[12:16] <torusJKL> tvoss: cool. Thanks.
[12:17] <torusJKL> tvoss: I will do more testing tomorrow on my way to work.
[12:33] <torusJKL> davmor2: Is cell tower A-GPS support planned?
[12:51] <davmor2> torusJKL: it was being looked into but was non-trivial to implement
[12:52] <torusJKL> davmor2: so for now it is not planned to be implemented? is there a henacement request I can follow to see the progress?
[12:53] <davmor2> torusJKL: not sure let me have a look
[12:58] <davmor2> torusJKL: try this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/location-service/+bug/1500039
[12:59] <torusJKL> Thanks.
[13:21] <Tims_Tech> hmm
[13:21] <Tims_Tech> so my device has 706 mb of ram
[13:21] <Tims_Tech> is it able to run ubuntu touch?
[13:31] <dobey> Tims_Tech: probably not very well, if you do get it booting
[13:31] <Tims_Tech> I can add swap
[13:31] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:31] <Tims_Tech> dobey, ^^ or is there any way to make it faster?
[13:32] <dobey> more actual RAM
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> lol
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> adding ram toa phone
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> to a**
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:32] <dobey> i'm guessing your phone is a single core CPU too
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> nope
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> quad core 1,2 ghz
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> ow sorry
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> I have 716 mb of RAM
[13:32] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:33] <dobey> that is a very odd number
[13:33] <Tims_Tech> yes
[13:33] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:34] <Tims_Tech> I have a odd phone lol
[13:34] <Tims_Tech> :p
[13:34] <Tims_Tech> tHE:
[13:34] <Tims_Tech> samsung galaxy core 2
[13:34] <Tims_Tech> We have CM11
[13:34] <davmor2> Tims_Tech: is that how much ram is in it or how much ram is free to the system
[13:34] <Tims_Tech> and CM12/CM13 is w.i.p
[13:34] <Tims_Tech> davmor2, :
[13:35] <Tims_Tech> oops
[13:35] <Tims_Tech> :
[13:35] <Tims_Tech> 768 MB is the actual RAM of the phone
[13:35] <Tims_Tech> so :P
[13:35] <Tims_Tech> is there any way of making it faster then>
[13:35] <Tims_Tech> ?
[13:36] <anpok> bq e4.5 does not have far more ram.. as long as you do not launch libreofficee..
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> lol ok
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> I will use it for gcc
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> and
[13:36] <anpok> eh
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> the launcher looks nice
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> :D
[13:36] <anpok> then maybe link the binary on a different host :)
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> I also LOVE the terminal
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:36] <Tims_Tech> anpok, :P
[13:37] <Tims_Tech> maybe even metasploit
[13:37] <Tims_Tech> :D
[13:37] <Tims_Tech> I have nethunter on my phone rn
[13:37] <Tims_Tech> and metasploit runs fine
[13:37] <Tims_Tech> :P
[13:37] <Tims_Tech> also
[13:37] <Tims_Tech> We have 4 gb of total memory
[13:38] <Tims_Tech> and I have a 32 gb SD card
[13:38] <Tims_Tech> so will that be a problem?
[13:38] <Tims_Tech> anpok, ? ^^ :P
[13:39] <Tims_Tech> davmor2, ^^ :P
[13:40] <davmor2> Tims_Tech: no idea sorry I was just confused by the number of megs of memory
[13:40] <Tims_Tech> 4 gb of storage
[13:40] <Tims_Tech> :p
[13:40] <jgdx> Tims_Tech, I think the image is <2GB
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> ow ok :P
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> and I can mount the sdcard
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> so :P
[13:41] <jgdx> but I guess /home on the sdcard?
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> possible
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> I can mount the whole / to my sdcard if I wanted
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> I need to mount it on the ext4 partition
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> but possible
[13:41] <Tims_Tech> :P
[14:45] <ra_phael> hi, I got a ota-13 on a nexus 4, and life battery that was quite bad before had become disastrous (half a day vs 1 day and half a week before), is it a know problem ? thanks
[14:54] <pmcgowan> ra_phael, there are some isolated reports, I would suggest opening a bug and attaching your syslog so we can check the suspend rates
[14:55] <pmcgowan> note that nexus4 has minimal support t this point
[15:07] <matv1> dobey I updated the empty clickstore bug for the BQ M10 that we discussed yesterday. I uploaded some logs.
[15:07] <matv1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1610740
[15:09] <matv1> dobey Maybe I should be bothering someone else instead but no one is assigned to the bug yet :)
[15:09] <dobey> matv1: can you try something else real quick?
[15:09] <matv1> dobey sure
[15:10] <dobey> matv1: open the terminal app and inside it run: U1_DEBUG=1 /usr/lib/*/unity-scopes/scoperunner "" /usr/lib/*/unity-scopes/clickstore/com.canonical.scopes.clickstore.ini
[15:11] <dobey> matv1: and then immediately refresh the store scope
[15:11] <dobey> matv1: it should print some more debugging info which might help
[15:12] <dobey> matv1: check the console output for "search, force_cache="
[15:13] <matv1> dobey sure gimme a minute or two
[15:19] <matv1> dobey that worked. after the command it returned all the apps in the store in the terminal and the clickstore scope refreshed itself immedeately
[15:19] <matv1> what just happened?
[15:20] <matv1> some kind of corrupt cache?
[15:21] <ra_phael> pmcgowan: ok thanks
[15:22] <dobey> matv1: no, i'm guessing it would have worked even if i didn't ask you to do that, just now. are you on a different network connection than previously?
[15:22] <matv1> the line you wanted is there. its says search, force_cache = false , conn status= 1
[15:23] <matv1> dobey yes i did change networks since I first saw this happen
[15:23] <dobey> right, i was expecting it to be true, based on your prevous logs, which suggested that connectivity api might have been saying there is no network
[15:24] <dobey> matv1: ok, i think it might be some weird network config issue on certain networks :-/
[15:24] <matv1> dobey ah. so clickstore itself was never to blaim?
[15:25] <dobey> matv1: well, beyond the general "scope UX is not nice when there's no network or no results" issue, it doesn't seem so
[15:26] <matv1> dobey so now what?
[15:26] <matv1> just leave the bug for now and see how often this occurs?
[15:27] <dobey> matv1: well seems the store is working ok for you. if you end up with the blank scope again, try the U1_DEBUG=1 command in terminal and add that log to the bug, from the network where it's failing
[15:28] <matv1> dobey ok thanks for your help!
[15:29] <dobey> np
[15:30] <dobey> now to get lunch
[15:53] <oftc_ftw> Hi everyone! I have a virtual machine (virtualbox) with current Ubuntu LTS and the Ubuntu SDK installed. IIRC there is/was an issue preventing the Ubuntu Phone emulator from running in a virtual machine. Is that correct? Is there anything I can do besides running Ubuntu SDK in a non-virtual environment?
[15:53] <oftc_ftw> Right now I only see a virtual black screen and the booting icon in the SDK is spinning forever.
[16:03] <oftc_ftw> well, after ages of booting it says "ready to use" but still only shows a black screen (i.e., black phone display).
[16:47] <dobey> oftc_ftw: why exactly are you running it in vbox?
[16:47] <oftc_ftw> dobey: because i don't run Ubuntu on my host and it seems to be the simplest way to install/run the sdk
[16:48] <oftc_ftw> my host is Arch Linux and the SDK is maintained only in a Ubuntu PPA apparently.
[16:48] <ogra_> there is work going on to deliver the SDK as a snap package
[16:49] <ogra_> that should solve it ;)
[16:49] <ogra_> (not sure where that stands though)
[16:49] <dobey> oftc_ftw: you might be able to run the emulator on the host instead; or under qemu/kvm to get better results
[16:50] <oftc_ftw> ok, so what you're suggesting is that there is indeed a problem when running the emulator in a virtual machine?
[16:51] <oftc_ftw> ogra_: sounds nice, never heard of snap before. seems to be like docker without the awful lot of work to get it running. :)
[16:52] <ogra_> yeah, there is an implementation for Arch somewhere in the arch repos
[16:52] <ogra_> but i dont know if the SDK team has the snap actually ready yet
[16:55] <oftc_ftw> ogra_: is there any website where i can see the progress of the snap "port"?
[16:58] <oftc_ftw> ogra_: i just found this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-ide/+bug/1598095
[16:58] <ogra_> oftc_ftw, nope, sorry ... it has been a while since i heard about it ... perhaps ask in #ubuntu-appp-devel where the SDK guys hang out
[16:58] <ogra_> err
[16:59] <ogra_> #ubuntu-app-devel
[16:59] <oftc_ftw> thanks ogra_ :)
[16:59] <ogra_> ah, zbenjamin is on it it seems
[17:06] <zbenjamin> ogra_: bzoltan looked into it
[17:06] <zbenjamin> ogra_: i think the main issue was to get to the LXD socket
[17:06] <zbenjamin> ogra_: there is no policy for lxd clients yet
[17:06] <ogra_> ah, that should be fixed soon, stgraber is actively working on the lxd snap
[17:07] <ogra_> should land the next days
[17:07] <ogra_> there was the lxd interface missing, that is there now
[17:07] <zbenjamin> ogra_: afaik he said he works on packaging lxd itself, but that will not yet make it possible for lxd clients to access the socket
[17:08] <ogra_> ah, not sure about that
[17:08] <zbenjamin> bzoltan would know the exact details
[17:08] <ogra_> yeah, but he seems afk today
[17:10] <zbenjamin> ogra_: seems he is in #ubuntu-devel. His quassel server had some problems a while ago , he probably did not rejoin all channels yet
[17:10] <ogra_> he should have used the snap :P
[17:10] <zbenjamin> ogra_: afaik he is running a precise server :D
[17:10]  * ogra_ is making that up, no idea if there is actually a quassel snap :P
[17:10] <ogra_> (i use bip)
[17:33] <ssweeny> both core and client snaps exist for quassel
[17:33]  * ssweeny is using them :)
[17:33] <ssweeny> wait, that's not right. I'm using the snapped client
[17:34] <ssweeny> now I'm not sure a snap of the core exists. Should be easy enough to make one
[17:34]  * mcphail has a quassel core .click for the phone, if anyone needs one :)
[17:38]  * ssweeny would be more interested in a .click for the client which actually lets you send messages
[17:38] <ssweeny> I couldn't get that to work with the client in the store
[17:40] <dobey> hmm
[17:40] <dobey> i wonder why this package is not in update_excuses yet, and there's no autopkgtests queued
[17:53] <mcphail> ssweeny: yes, I was hoping the client would work with my server
[17:55] <ssweeny> The touch client seems to work more-or-less fine except that I can't find a way to send a message
[17:56] <mcphail> ssweeny: yes. same problem here
[17:57] <ssweeny> the repo for it seems dead. I might fork it to add stuff like anchoring the text entry to the keyboard and making scrolling the list of channels work a little nicer
[17:58] <ssweeny> it would also be nice to get push support :)
[17:59] <mcphail> ssweeny: The server can run in the background, which avoids the need for pushes
[17:59] <ssweeny> ah, well I use a remote server for nice multi-device experience
[19:47] <jgdx> pete-woods, hey, could you point me to one libqtdbusmock test that fails? If you recall our discussion, I think I may have a fix for that
[21:27] <ra_phael> hmm where should I put a bug for power management in here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers ?
[21:36] <ra_phael> hmm ok
[22:42] <JanC> what's the state/plans for accessibility for e.g. (almost) blind people in UT currently?