[04:42] https://www.dropbox.com/s/niaspkr87zalf0d/IMG_20161004_032645.jpg?dl=0 [04:56] hello;] [04:56] back fron the usa? [04:56] yep got in on Friday [04:57] cat is happy to have her on site staff back [05:01] ;] [05:02] i'm watching a video on how nixie tubes are made [05:21] howdy peepz [05:23] good morning sir, how do? [05:25] Doin ok :) Decided on moving all my "non work" stuff on my work computer over to a vm [05:25] D: [05:25] now tunneling everything via sshuttle through my vm in amsterdam [05:25] what's that include? my mind hops to gaming immediately which i'd consider ruined by virt [05:30] Sshuttle is a vpn through SSH. [05:31] basically the traffic out of this vm is opaque to the vpn of wherever i work [05:31] nah the non-work stuff i really meant :D [05:43] daftykins: well, some of the work I do for my own company (i'm a freelancer) and some of the leisure stuff I do for Knightwise.com [05:44] mostly chatting, surfing, irc and stuff [05:44] just don't want nosy sys admins to snoop around on my traffic [05:44] ah right [05:44] say n'more! :D [05:45] i haven't ventured to anyones yet to resume work! maybe today... [06:00] daftykins: you still out jobhunting ? [06:00] i have a handful of small biz clients already so that wasn't me :) [06:01] rarely a dull moment with this crowd, but i could definitely do with gaining more clients [06:21] hi [06:22] lo [06:22] daftykins: l [06:23] https://www.dropbox.com/s/0eohgbsd9ga23ao/Screenshot_20161004-071737.png?dl=0 looks like my mates wife needs to dust for cobwebs :> [07:53] Morning all [08:05] Morning all you funky people [08:08] \o [08:23] Hi everyone *waves* [08:23] 7.5 hours until new google phones! [08:24] Gurglephones! [08:24] yep! [08:24] These will be the new, locked-down, consumer/developer phones right? [08:24] I was going to get a small pocket incendary... Then diceded I might now wait for a Pixel phone... [08:25] i haven't really heard much on the presumed level of locks applied :> [08:26] they looks like iphone/samsungs [08:27] everything looks like everything now yeah, it's quite odd [08:59] morning boys and girls. [09:02] What time is the event? [09:07] 5pm [09:08] however you're connected to this internet thing, you could've... googled it ;D [09:10] streamed on google's youtube page? [09:10] who knows! [09:11] lolz. [09:28] https://events.google.com/io2016/ [09:29] oh wait that's like the last one [09:30] io was months ago, anyway. [09:30] apparently it will be at https://www.youtube.com/google [09:32] Finding it difficult to drum up enthusiasm for yet more phones and maybe an alexa-a-like [09:35] i think it depends what you're looking for, i've got a Nexus 5 that's received the chop and has been bad at handling calls (probably it got more damaged than just the screen smash when my friend owned it) so i'm in the market - i just want something that gets security updates [09:35] if you're waiting for the next Jesus phone, then... well... yeah :) [09:36] I switched to CM13 on my OPX [09:36] only because OnePlus dragged their heels on Marshmallow [09:37] mmm i think my issues are hardware, but i don't think i'd run an alternate ROM anyway [09:37] popey: what they aren't no nougat [09:37] i also have cm13 on my nexus4, last version for it from google was 5.-something-or-other. [09:37] N5 just can't hold onto the network in this granite house :) [09:37] ah yeah i used my ol' N4 with a t-mobile visitor SIM whilst in the US, bit chuggy now [09:38] morning everyone :) [09:38] morning knightwise [09:38] hey brobostigon daftykins davmor2 popey [09:38] :) [09:38] popey: nice mention about the nextcloud box. [09:39] Do you think the nextcloud project will be stable enough to go for (or is owncloud gonna win ?) [09:40] * brobostigon uses owncloud, and is happy with its stability. [09:40] i see no point in changing. [09:41] knightwise: who won openoffice or libreoffice? it's down to who gets the momentum and developers [11:22] daftykins: the photo of your cat from 5am this morning looks like she's happy you're home :-) I love kitty cuddles! [11:24] re: owncloud vs nextcloud, I've moved over to nextcloud in the hopes they'll make it work. I feel like the split is akin to openoffice vs libreoffice where the fork is the one people should be using due to politics :-) [11:29] nextcloud _does_ work :) [11:29] * popey looks at his nextcloud server [11:29] also, where's my nextcloud box [11:30] popey: there it is [11:30] * popey phones WD to find out [11:38] woot, should ship end of this week [11:40] \o/ [11:41] A blog afterwards from yourself popey ? I'm interested [11:53] yeah, will do. [12:01] popey: blog it like it is a personal letter to diplo it'll be a nice twist on a blog post :) [12:13] https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/04/touch-id-in-display-iphone-8/ <-- interesting patent application [12:16] will make it easier for kids to unlock their parents phone when they don't have to get finger onto the fingerprint reader while they sleep... [12:26] three and a half hours till google does its thing [12:26] https://youtu.be/q4y0KOeXViI [12:26] so 5pm today by my maths [12:26] it's a phone... people are super excited about it? [12:27] how do you know it's a phone? [12:27] it's an announcement event so by definition what they're talking about hasn't been announced [12:27] people wondering in various irc channels about it sounding odd to depreceate your runaway success mobile platform [13:10] have you guys seen these? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM6z9czN318&list=PL1AXWu-gGX6LNsfQ-KkeGPxL76CFONTom&index=58 [13:10] see you in a few hours... [14:01] foobarry: wow, that's awesome [14:01] also... https://github.audio [14:05] oh nice. that's some ethereal musicy GitHub goodness right there [14:05] also a wikipedia one === layke is now known as Guest41556 [15:39] as google go to the podium, I'm wondering if it'll be "the best phone we've ever made" https://www.cnet.com/uk/videos/the-iphone-the-adjective-iphone-weve-ever-verbed/ [15:46] "the smelliest phone we've ever smelled" [15:46] "The heaviest phone we've ever schlepped" [15:48] ali1234: with "new iPhone" smell or otherwise? (you can get a new apple product smell scented candle now, I read today) [15:49] wow i know what my brother is getting for xmas [15:49] make it smell of blown-out candles & matches, recently cut grass, sharpies or glue and I'm in :) [15:51] * lopta vaguely remembers rubbers that smelled like coca cola. [15:51] ...and erasable ink pens. [15:51] ...and the BBC Micro. [15:51] "cut grass" candles are very common [15:51] they sell them in john lewis [15:52] If I want to smell cut grass I can go out and cut the grass. ;-) [15:52] It is not one of the 7 days in the year when the weather is nice enough to cut the grass [15:53] popey: I get more of those, though when it rains for a while it's almost knee high before I can cut it. [15:53] heh [15:59] meh [16:00] just got a letter from virgin increasing the price by £2.99/month [16:00] 9% [16:01] blimey, again!? [16:01] * Laney checks to see when the last time it changed was [16:02] december [16:02] it went up by £2 then [16:02] mine overs between 68 and 73 quid a month for phone/t'internet/telly [16:03] chancers [16:03] * Laney checks how much infinity is these days [16:03] popey: man that's cheap how did you wrangle that [16:03] was £42.83 in 2011! [16:03] oh, that was cheapo first month [16:04] popey: I mean the 68-73 [16:04] I'm with A&A now [16:04] caps would make me nervous [16:04] * Laney has ubuntu & debian mirror [16:05] :-) [16:05] I'm on their Terry Bite [16:05] Terror Bite? [16:05] Terrier Bite? [16:06] davmor2: mates rates [16:06] I can't change anything, or switch from old samsung V+ box or they will move me to normal tarriff [16:06] popey: ours is £105-ish [16:07] * lopta fires up xe.com [16:08] guess I should call Virgin and kindly ask them to let me pay less money [16:08] I pay about 37 quid per month for about 3M down, 1.5M up. [16:09] infinity's still more even after the increase [16:09] ;_; [16:10] I have to type quid because my keyboard doesn't have a pound sign. [16:10] £££ [16:10] pick one and copy+paste :-p [16:11] diddledan: ...and on my screen that shows up as "lblblb" [16:11] haha [16:11] character encoding differences ftw [16:11] If I ran one of the newfangled desktops I could use unicode. [16:12] ...or perhaps just one of the newfangled terminal programs. [16:13] I should buy a roll-up UK keyboard. [16:14] Anyway, I should go and find some lunch. [16:15] I hope I'll be back shortly. [16:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/23275747/ that's how my bill has wavered around [16:21] davmor2: blimey [16:21] davmor2: you on XL? [16:22] popey: 150Mbs, Tivo, HD upstairs, unlimited phone + sky movies [16:28] "best smartphone camera anyone has ever made" <-- BINGO! [16:29] http://imgur.com/a/HkJPF a graph! [16:29] Right, I have no Sky Movies, 'only' 100Mb and no Tivo [16:33] so is this all they've got? [16:33] a new phone? [16:35] lulz [16:35] did they seriously just tout the fact that it has customer support as a major new feature? [16:38] well, their customer support is notoriously bad [16:39] I haven't seen a headphone socket yet [16:41] it's square [16:45] yey for throwing it on the floor :-p [16:46] they're getting through a lot of presenters [16:48] netflix in VR might be interesting [16:50] wat. sheep simulator? [17:24] interesting competition against mycroft - the google assistant is going to be embeddable in your own products [17:34] the pixel is £599 for the base model going up to £719 for the top-end [17:34] ref: https://store.google.com/config/pixel_phone [17:36] Will those run Ubuntu Phone? [17:36] diddledan, it's $900 here [17:36] so, no. [17:39] haha dam, Google are really going full iPhone [17:39] I wonder why there weren't any new tabletty things [17:39] the pixel tablet is getting long-in-the-tooth surely? [17:40] And not only that, but they are seriously crazy on the pricing now [17:40] http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7995&idPhone2=8346 why would you buy a Pixel when the OnePlus 3 is half the price and >= specs [17:41] build quality? [17:41] What about the Wileyfox? [17:41] vs the OnePlus / Pixel? [17:46] I'd not buy the one plus because it doesn't have the google apps [17:47] might as well get an amazon firefone if you're considering that [17:47] m0nkey_: Where do you live, our of interest? [17:47] in my basement :-p [17:47] lool [17:47] Yes, there. [17:47] Canada, if you must know. [17:48] oh he must! [17:48] * diddledan throws m0nkey_ nuts [17:48] m0nkey_: I have family in BC and friends in ON, AB, NL etc. [17:49] Never been there myself, mind. [17:49] I'm in QC [17:49] I had family in BC, but then Jebus arrived and moved them all to AD [17:49] diddledan, sure they wern't turned to ON? [17:50] m0nkey_: as long as they don't end up needing a QC I don't care [17:50] diddledan: You had me scratching my head for a minute then trying to place the province. [17:50] AD isn't a Provence, it's a Territory :D lol [17:50] lopta: Anno Domini [17:51] * lopta nods [17:51] diddledan: I did get there in the end. [17:51] odd that we have Anno Domini in latin and Before Christ in English [17:52] what would before christ be in latin? [17:52] err [17:52] thus starts the latin lesson... :-P [17:52] ante christo [17:52] maybe ante domini [17:52] so... anti christ... [17:52] :-p [17:53] yeah... i can see now why they went with before christ... [17:53] nowt wrong with a bit of devilishness now and then [17:53] BCE and CE, in modern academic parlance. [17:53] aye [17:53] stardate in geekish circles :-P [17:53] seems silly to refer to the same eras as the AD/BC with different names tho [17:54] might as well just use "seconds since the big bang" [17:54] but that assumes time is a constant which might not have been true at the start [17:55] diddledan: When unix moves to 128-bit, we could push back the epoch I suppose. [17:55] of course time is constant! excepting when it isn't, obviously [17:55] we're on 64bit time_t now I think? [17:55] anyone who assumes time is a constant needs more meetings on their agendas... :-P [17:55] diddledan: I don't know what Linux uses. [17:55] * lopta sighs [17:55] I suppose I should go and visit this customer. [17:56] linux uses amount of times linus has sworn since the kernel was created so it's 128bit already... [17:57] the star berate system... [17:57] $ date -r 1 [17:57] Thu Jan 1 00:00:01 UTC 1970 [17:59] I should start writing my birthday on official forms in seconds since the Epoch. [18:00] in binary [18:01] zmoylan-pi: That's silly. I'd use Octal, of course. [18:01] of course in hex at some point you would be deadbeef [18:02] 0xdeadbeefcafebabe [18:02] * lopta wanders off to the computer recycling place. [18:12] 0xdeadbabebeefcafe [18:13] Run by h@nn1balL3kt3r-leet-dude-93 [18:13] hmm, dead babe beef sounds like it's a bit cannibalistic [20:17] Any FPS gamers lurking in there? [20:17] *here? [20:18] m0nkey_: yup [20:18] what's up? [20:18] What's a good but inexpensive gaming mouse? [20:18] haha you would say that, I'm a weirdo and use a trackball [20:18] My Corsair somethingoranother isn't registering clicks half the time [20:18] but uhh, gaming hardware Roccat give their hardware free to a Linux dev [20:18] so the support for the gaming features is supposed to be good [20:19] I have a bunch of Logitech G-Series, which is a PITA in Linux [20:19] These Roccat things look serious [20:19] I only need one macro button :D [20:20] what's wrong with having more? ;) [20:21] Wow, roccat aren't that expensive, that's good. [20:21] Some are even on sale :) [20:21] indeed, they aren't bad [20:22] m0nkey_: but yea, they give all the hardware (even before release) to a Linux dev, and link to his drivers on their website [20:22] which is about as good as it gets for gaming hardware arrangements [20:22] in an ideal world they'd...hire the poor fellow, but there we go [20:23] but that would cost money!!