[04:42] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/niaspkr87zalf0d/IMG_20161004_032645.jpg?dl=0
[04:56] <mapps> hello;]
[04:56] <mapps> back fron the usa?
[04:56] <daftykins> yep got in on Friday
[04:57] <daftykins> cat is happy to have her on site staff back
[05:01] <mapps> ;]
[05:02] <daftykins> i'm watching a video on how nixie tubes are made
[05:21] <knightwise> howdy peepz
[05:23] <daftykins> good morning sir, how do?
[05:25] <knightwise> Doin ok :) Decided on moving all my "non work" stuff on my work computer over to a vm
[05:25] <daftykins> D:
[05:25] <knightwise> now tunneling everything via sshuttle through my vm in amsterdam
[05:25] <daftykins> what's that include? my mind hops to gaming immediately which i'd consider ruined by virt
[05:30] <knightwise> Sshuttle is a vpn through SSH.
[05:31] <knightwise> basically the traffic out of this vm is opaque to the vpn of wherever i work
[05:31] <daftykins> nah the non-work stuff i really meant :D
[05:43] <knightwise> daftykins: well, some of the work I do for my own company (i'm a freelancer) and some of the leisure stuff I do for Knightwise.com
[05:44] <knightwise> mostly chatting, surfing, irc and stuff
[05:44] <knightwise> just don't want nosy sys admins to snoop around on my traffic
[05:44] <daftykins> ah right
[05:44] <daftykins> say n'more! :D
[05:45] <daftykins> i haven't ventured to anyones yet to resume work! maybe today...
[06:00] <knightwise> daftykins: you still out jobhunting ?
[06:00] <daftykins> i have a handful of small biz clients already so that wasn't me :)
[06:01] <daftykins> rarely a dull moment with this crowd, but i could definitely do with gaining more clients
[06:21] <sebsebseb> hi
[06:22] <daftykins> lo
[06:22] <sebsebseb> daftykins: l
[06:23] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0eohgbsd9ga23ao/Screenshot_20161004-071737.png?dl=0 looks like my mates wife needs to dust for cobwebs :>
[07:53] <diplo> Morning all
[08:05] <davmor2> Morning all you funky people
[08:08] <daftykins> \o
[08:23] <selinuxium> Hi everyone *waves*
[08:23] <daftykins> 7.5 hours until new google phones!
[08:24] <awilkins> Gurglephones!
[08:24] <daftykins> yep!
[08:24] <awilkins> These will be the new, locked-down, consumer/developer phones right?
[08:24] <selinuxium> I was going to get a small pocket incendary... Then diceded I might now wait for a Pixel phone...
[08:25] <daftykins> i haven't really heard much on the presumed level of locks applied :>
[08:26] <foobarry> they looks like iphone/samsungs
[08:27] <daftykins> everything looks like everything now yeah, it's quite odd
[08:59] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:02] <selinuxium> What time is the event?
[09:07] <daftykins> 5pm
[09:08] <daftykins> however you're connected to this internet thing, you could've... googled it ;D
[09:10] <brobostigon> streamed on google's youtube page?
[09:10] <daftykins> who knows!
[09:11] <brobostigon> lolz.
[09:28] <ali1234> https://events.google.com/io2016/
[09:29] <ali1234> oh wait that's like the last one
[09:30] <brobostigon> io was months ago, anyway.
[09:30] <ali1234> apparently it will be at https://www.youtube.com/google
[09:32] <popey> Finding it difficult to drum up enthusiasm for yet more phones and maybe an alexa-a-like
[09:35] <daftykins> i think it depends what you're looking for, i've got a Nexus 5 that's received the chop and has been bad at handling calls (probably it got more damaged than just the screen smash when my friend owned it) so i'm in the market - i just want something that gets security updates
[09:35] <daftykins> if you're waiting for the next Jesus phone, then... well... yeah :)
[09:36] <popey> I switched to CM13 on my OPX
[09:36] <popey> only because OnePlus dragged their heels on Marshmallow
[09:37] <daftykins> mmm i think my issues are hardware, but i don't think i'd run an alternate ROM anyway
[09:37] <davmor2> popey: what they aren't no nougat
[09:37] <brobostigon> i also have cm13 on my nexus4, last version for it from google was 5.-something-or-other.
[09:37] <daftykins> N5 just can't hold onto the network in this granite house :)
[09:37] <daftykins> ah yeah i used my ol' N4 with a t-mobile visitor SIM whilst in the US, bit chuggy now
[09:38] <knightwise> morning everyone :)
[09:38] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[09:38] <knightwise> hey brobostigon daftykins davmor2 popey
[09:38] <brobostigon> :)
[09:38] <knightwise> popey: nice mention about the nextcloud box.
[09:39] <knightwise> Do you think the nextcloud project will be stable enough to go for (or is owncloud gonna win ?)
[09:40]  * brobostigon uses owncloud, and is happy with its stability.
[09:40] <brobostigon> i see no point in changing.
[09:41] <davmor2> knightwise: who won openoffice or libreoffice? it's down to who gets the momentum and developers
[11:22] <diddledan> daftykins: the photo of your cat from 5am this morning looks like she's happy you're home :-) I love kitty cuddles!
[11:24] <diddledan> re: owncloud vs nextcloud, I've moved over to nextcloud in the hopes they'll make it work. I feel like the split is akin to openoffice vs libreoffice where the fork is the one people should be using due to politics :-)
[11:29] <popey> nextcloud _does_ work :)
[11:29]  * popey looks at his nextcloud server
[11:29] <popey> also, where's my nextcloud box
[11:30] <davmor2> popey: there it is
[11:30]  * popey phones WD to find out
[11:38] <popey> woot, should ship end of this week
[11:40] <diddledan> \o/
[11:41] <diplo> A blog afterwards from yourself popey ? I'm interested
[11:53] <popey> yeah, will do.
[12:01] <davmor2> popey: blog it like it is a personal letter to diplo it'll be a nice twist on a blog post :)
[12:13] <diddledan> https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/04/touch-id-in-display-iphone-8/ <-- interesting patent application
[12:16] <zmoylan-pi> will make it easier for kids to unlock their parents phone when they don't have to get finger onto the fingerprint reader while they sleep...
[12:26] <diddledan> three and a half hours till google does its thing
[12:26] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/q4y0KOeXViI
[12:26] <diddledan> so 5pm today by my maths
[12:26] <zmoylan-pi> it's a phone... people are super excited about it?
[12:27] <diddledan> how do you know it's a phone?
[12:27] <diddledan> it's an announcement event so by definition what they're talking about hasn't been announced
[12:27] <zmoylan-pi> people wondering in various irc channels about it sounding odd to depreceate your runaway success mobile platform
[13:10] <foobarry> have you guys seen these? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM6z9czN318&list=PL1AXWu-gGX6LNsfQ-KkeGPxL76CFONTom&index=58
[13:10] <foobarry> see you in a few hours...
[14:01] <diddledan> foobarry: wow, that's awesome
[14:01] <foobarry> also... https://github.audio
[14:05] <diddledan> oh nice. that's some ethereal musicy GitHub goodness right there
[14:05] <foobarry> also a wikipedia one
[15:39] <diddledan> as google go to the podium, I'm wondering if it'll be "the best phone we've ever made" https://www.cnet.com/uk/videos/the-iphone-the-adjective-iphone-weve-ever-verbed/
[15:46] <ali1234> "the smelliest phone we've ever smelled"
[15:46] <lopta> "The heaviest phone we've ever schlepped"
[15:48] <diddledan> ali1234: with "new iPhone" smell or otherwise? (you can get a new apple product smell scented candle now, I read today)
[15:49] <ali1234> wow i know what my brother is getting for xmas
[15:49] <popey> make it smell of blown-out candles & matches, recently cut grass, sharpies or glue and I'm in :)
[15:51]  * lopta vaguely remembers rubbers that smelled like coca cola.
[15:51] <lopta> ...and erasable ink pens.
[15:51] <lopta> ...and the BBC Micro.
[15:51] <ali1234> "cut grass" candles are very common
[15:51] <ali1234> they sell them in john lewis
[15:52] <lopta> If I want to smell cut grass I can go out and cut the grass. ;-)
[15:52] <popey> It is not one of the 7 days in the year when the weather is nice enough to cut the grass
[15:53] <lopta> popey: I get more of those, though when it rains for a while it's almost knee high before I can cut it.
[15:53] <popey> heh
[15:59] <Laney> meh
[16:00] <Laney> just got a letter from virgin increasing the price by £2.99/month
[16:00] <Laney> 9%
[16:01] <popey> blimey, again!?
[16:01]  * Laney checks to see when the last time it changed was
[16:02] <Laney> december
[16:02] <Laney> it went up by £2 then
[16:02] <popey> mine overs between 68 and 73 quid a month for phone/t'internet/telly
[16:03] <Laney> chancers
[16:03]  * Laney checks how much infinity is these days
[16:03] <davmor2> popey: man that's cheap how did you wrangle that
[16:03] <popey> was £42.83  in 2011!
[16:03] <popey> oh, that was cheapo first month
[16:04] <davmor2> popey: I mean the 68-73
[16:04] <diddledan> I'm with A&A now
[16:04] <Laney> caps would make me nervous
[16:04]  * Laney has ubuntu & debian mirror
[16:05] <diddledan> :-)
[16:05] <diddledan> I'm on their Terry Bite
[16:05] <diddledan> Terror Bite?
[16:05] <diddledan> Terrier Bite?
[16:06] <popey> davmor2: mates rates
[16:06] <popey> I can't change anything, or switch from old samsung V+ box or they will move me to normal tarriff
[16:06] <davmor2> popey: ours is £105-ish
[16:07]  * lopta fires up xe.com
[16:08] <Laney> guess I should call Virgin and kindly ask them to let me pay less money
[16:08] <lopta> I pay about 37 quid per month for about 3M down, 1.5M up.
[16:09] <Laney> infinity's still more even after the increase
[16:09] <Laney> ;_;
[16:10] <lopta> I have to type quid because my keyboard doesn't have a pound sign.
[16:10] <diddledan> £££
[16:10] <diddledan> pick one and copy+paste :-p
[16:11] <lopta> diddledan: ...and on my screen that shows up as "lblblb"
[16:11] <diddledan> haha
[16:11] <diddledan> character encoding differences ftw
[16:11] <lopta> If I ran one of the newfangled desktops I could use unicode.
[16:12] <lopta> ...or perhaps just one of the newfangled terminal programs.
[16:13] <lopta> I should buy a roll-up UK keyboard.
[16:14] <lopta> Anyway, I should go and find some lunch.
[16:15] <lopta> I hope I'll be back shortly.
[16:17] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23275747/ that's how my bill has wavered around
[16:21] <popey> davmor2: blimey
[16:21] <popey> davmor2: you on XL?
[16:22] <davmor2> popey: 150Mbs, Tivo, HD upstairs, unlimited phone + sky movies
[16:28] <diddledan> "best smartphone camera anyone has ever made" <-- BINGO!
[16:29] <popey> http://imgur.com/a/HkJPF a graph!
[16:29] <popey> Right, I have no Sky Movies, 'only' 100Mb and no Tivo
[16:33] <ali1234> so is this all they've got?
[16:33] <ali1234> a new phone?
[16:35] <popey> lulz
[16:35] <ali1234> did they seriously just tout the fact that it has customer support as a major new feature?
[16:38] <popey> well, their customer support is notoriously bad
[16:39] <diddledan> I haven't seen a headphone socket yet
[16:41] <popey> it's square
[16:45] <diddledan> yey for throwing it on the floor :-p
[16:46] <diddledan> they're getting through a lot of presenters
[16:48] <diddledan> netflix in VR might be interesting
[16:50] <diddledan> wat. sheep simulator?
[17:24] <diddledan> interesting competition against mycroft - the google assistant is going to be embeddable in your own products
[17:34] <diddledan> the pixel is £599 for the base model going up to £719 for the top-end
[17:34] <diddledan> ref: https://store.google.com/config/pixel_phone
[17:36] <lopta> Will those run Ubuntu Phone?
[17:36] <m0nkey_> diddledan, it's $900 here
[17:36] <m0nkey_> so, no.
[17:39] <Azelphur> haha dam, Google are really going full iPhone
[17:39] <diddledan> I wonder why there weren't any new tabletty things
[17:39] <diddledan> the pixel tablet is getting long-in-the-tooth surely?
[17:40] <Azelphur> And not only that, but they are seriously crazy on the pricing now
[17:40] <Azelphur> http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7995&idPhone2=8346 why would you buy a Pixel when the OnePlus 3 is half the price and >= specs
[17:41] <zmoylan-pi> build quality?
[17:41] <awilkins> What about the Wileyfox?
[17:41] <awilkins> vs the OnePlus / Pixel?
[17:46] <diddledan> I'd not buy the one plus because it doesn't have the google apps
[17:47] <diddledan> might as well get an amazon firefone if you're considering that
[17:47] <lopta> m0nkey_: Where do you live, our of interest?
[17:47] <diddledan> in my basement :-p
[17:47] <m0nkey_> lool
[17:47] <m0nkey_> Yes, there.
[17:47] <m0nkey_> Canada, if you must know.
[17:48] <diddledan> oh he must!
[17:48]  * diddledan throws m0nkey_ nuts
[17:48] <lopta> m0nkey_: I have family in BC and friends in ON, AB, NL etc.
[17:49] <lopta> Never been there myself, mind.
[17:49] <m0nkey_> I'm in QC
[17:49] <diddledan> I had family in BC, but then Jebus arrived and moved them all to AD
[17:49] <m0nkey_> diddledan, sure they wern't turned to ON?
[17:50] <diddledan> m0nkey_: as long as they don't end up needing a QC I don't care
[17:50] <lopta> diddledan: You had me scratching my head for a minute then trying to place the province.
[17:50] <m0nkey_> AD isn't a Provence, it's a Territory :D lol
[17:50] <diddledan> lopta: Anno Domini
[17:51]  * lopta nods
[17:51] <lopta> diddledan: I did get there in the end.
[17:51] <diddledan> odd that we have Anno Domini in latin and Before Christ in English
[17:52] <zmoylan-pi> what would before christ be in latin?
[17:52] <diddledan> err
[17:52] <zmoylan-pi> thus starts the latin lesson... :-P
[17:52] <diddledan> ante christo
[17:52] <diddledan> maybe ante domini
[17:52] <zmoylan-pi> so... anti christ...
[17:52] <diddledan> :-p
[17:53] <zmoylan-pi> yeah... i can see now why they went with before christ...
[17:53] <diddledan> nowt wrong with a bit of devilishness now and then
[17:53] <lopta> BCE and CE, in modern academic parlance.
[17:53] <diddledan> aye
[17:53] <zmoylan-pi> stardate in geekish circles :-P
[17:53] <diddledan> seems silly to refer to the same eras as the AD/BC with different names tho
[17:54] <diddledan> might as well just use "seconds since the big bang"
[17:54] <zmoylan-pi> but that assumes time is a constant which might not have been true at the start
[17:55] <lopta> diddledan: When unix moves to 128-bit, we could push back the epoch I suppose.
[17:55] <diddledan> of course time is constant! excepting when it isn't, obviously
[17:55] <diddledan> we're on 64bit time_t now I think?
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> anyone who assumes time is a constant needs more meetings on their agendas... :-P
[17:55] <lopta> diddledan: I don't know what Linux uses.
[17:55]  * lopta sighs
[17:55] <lopta> I suppose I should go and visit this customer.
[17:56] <zmoylan-pi> linux uses amount of times linus has sworn since the kernel was created so it's 128bit already...
[17:57] <zmoylan-pi> the star berate system...
[17:57] <lopta> $ date -r 1
[17:57] <lopta> Thu Jan  1 00:00:01 UTC 1970
[17:59] <lopta> I should start writing my birthday on official forms in seconds since the Epoch.
[18:00] <zmoylan-pi> in binary
[18:01] <lopta> zmoylan-pi: That's silly. I'd use Octal, of course.
[18:01] <zmoylan-pi> of course in hex at some point you would be deadbeef
[18:02] <diddledan> 0xdeadbeefcafebabe
[18:02]  * lopta wanders off to the computer recycling place.
[18:12] <awilkins> 0xdeadbabebeefcafe
[18:13] <awilkins> Run by h@nn1balL3kt3r-leet-dude-93
[18:13] <diddledan> hmm, dead babe beef sounds like it's a bit cannibalistic
[20:17] <m0nkey_> Any FPS gamers lurking in there?
[20:17] <m0nkey_> *here?
[20:18] <Azelphur> m0nkey_: yup
[20:18] <Azelphur> what's up?
[20:18] <m0nkey_> What's a good but inexpensive gaming mouse?
[20:18] <Azelphur> haha you would say that, I'm a weirdo and use a trackball
[20:18] <m0nkey_> My Corsair somethingoranother isn't registering clicks half the time
[20:18] <Azelphur> but uhh, gaming hardware Roccat give their hardware free to a Linux dev
[20:18] <Azelphur> so the support for the gaming features is supposed to be good
[20:19] <Azelphur> I have a bunch of Logitech G-Series, which is a PITA in Linux
[20:19] <m0nkey_> These Roccat things look serious
[20:19] <m0nkey_> I only need one macro button :D
[20:20] <Azelphur> what's wrong with having more? ;)
[20:21] <m0nkey_> Wow, roccat aren't that expensive, that's good.
[20:21] <m0nkey_> Some are even on sale :)
[20:21] <Azelphur> indeed, they aren't bad
[20:22] <Azelphur> m0nkey_: but yea, they give all the hardware (even before release) to a Linux dev, and link to his drivers on their website
[20:22] <Azelphur> which is about as good as it gets for gaming hardware arrangements
[20:22] <Azelphur> in an ideal world they'd...hire the poor fellow, but there we go
[20:23] <zmoylan-pi> but that would cost money!!