| jrwren | we are mozilla, we are teh best example of why never to rewrite. | 01:02 |
|---|---|---|
| cmaloney | heh | 01:04 |
| cmaloney | I lay that more at Netsape's feet than Mozilla's | 01:04 |
| cmaloney | firefox is quite nice | 01:05 |
| jrwren | firefox IS quite nice. | 01:32 |
| jrwren | but still... never rewrite. | 01:32 |
| greg-g | jrwren: :) :) | 05:35 |
| Scary_Guy | Al Gore works at Mozilla? | 07:20 |
| cmaloney | morning | 10:44 |
| jrwren | i definitely did not understand that Al Gore comment. Good morning all. | 12:20 |
| cmaloney | Inventing the internet | 12:20 |
| jrwren | oh, lolz | 12:23 |
| jrwren | postgresql 9.6 released! who is excited?!? | 12:59 |
| cmaloney | I am | 13:21 |
| cmaloney | I sent my old boss the release notes. :) | 13:22 |
| jrwren | ;] | 13:26 |
| jrwren | I did a double take when I saw the announcement said something about scale out. I had to go back, read it again, read the detail. I was saying to myself, "what are they talking about scale out?" Then I found it, and all I could think was. HUH. | 13:27 |
| cmaloney | Honestly I've come to realize that all of the interesting SQL DB development is happening in the PostgreSQL camp | 13:28 |
| cmaloney | I'm sure the various forks of MySQL are doing something interesting, but PostgreSQL has consistently made me actually give a shit about DBs | 13:29 |
| jrwren | yup | 13:29 |
| cmaloney | to the point where I want to adverb my sentences | 13:29 |
| jrwren | mysql is oracle. it is so fragmented between maria, percona, that other one and the oracle mysql that its... sad really. | 13:29 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, and Maria is repeating their mistakes | 13:30 |
| jrwren | is drizzle still a thing? | 13:32 |
| cmaloney | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drizzle_(database_server) <- the main site is down | 13:34 |
| jrwren | nope. it just died. There has got to be a story there, but I can't find it. | 13:34 |
| cmaloney | Wikipedia (which is never wrong) says the last release was in 2012 | 13:34 |
| cmaloney | https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Drizzle-dead | 13:35 |
| cmaloney | Good ol' Quora | 13:35 |
| jrwren | did you work with Aker at /.? | 13:36 |
| cmaloney | Not ringing a bell | 13:36 |
| cmaloney | I think he was way before my tenure | 13:37 |
| cmaloney | I started around 2008 | 13:37 |
| jrwren | i found https://web.archive.org/web/20140306052400/http://www.linuxjedi.co.uk/2014/02/is-drizzle-dead.html | 13:38 |
| cmaloney | So, not dead, but dormant | 13:39 |
| cmaloney | hibernating | 13:39 |
| jrwren | Postgresql is so good, I'm of the opinion that if you are ever tempted to use something else, because of feature X, it would be wiser to implement feature X in postgresql and use that. | 14:43 |
| cmaloney | no doubt | 15:40 |
| greg-g | I think our switching cost would be a little high at this point :) | 15:43 |
| rick_h_ | performance or freedom, pick one | 15:44 |
| jayis | :/ | 15:44 |
| rick_h_ | at scale drop the ORM and marry your db (or write a custom business logic/app specific API in front of it | 15:45 |
| rick_h_ | so at least there's less to rewrite to another db | 15:45 |
| greg-g | yep | 15:46 |
| greg-g | we theoretically support postgres in MediaWiki, but we've never used it in production and, with all of the multi-datacenter (hot-warm) work, I... yeah. mariadb for now :) | 15:46 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 15:47 |
| rick_h_ | you end up learning the very deep pitfalls at some point, and at that point you're tied | 15:47 |
| jrwren | greg-g: you'll not, I said tempted to use... as in picking at the start. switching is something else entirely and almost never worth the cost. | 15:48 |
| jrwren | switching a database is either trivial because your app is trivial, or its akin to a rewrite because your app is married to your DB. | 15:49 |
| jrwren | lol... *note* | 15:50 |
| greg-g | jrwren: :) yep yep | 15:53 |
| cmaloney | I wish Wordpress supported anything other than MySQL | 15:59 |
| jrwren | i used to care. now I don't, since the mysql/wordpress setup is entirely automatic, it hides the mysql ugliness from me. | 16:03 |
| cmaloney | heh | 16:03 |
| cmaloney | Yeah | 16:03 |
| cmaloney | The only thing that bugs me is I have Oracle codeon my machines | 16:04 |
| cmaloney | but then again, I like Virtualbox and have that running | 16:04 |
| cmaloney | (the only thing Oracle hasn't completely fucked up) | 16:04 |
| greg-g | ....yet | 16:04 |
| cmaloney | hush | 16:05 |
| cmaloney | for all we know they're not aware of it yet. | 16:05 |
| jrwren | it still makes me cringe and i run it as minimally as possible. | 16:05 |
| cscheib | jrwren: I see you stated the obvious in that OSX juju bug... wtf are they relying on something that isn't sustainable - don't hardcode os stuff, or at least have a sane fallback | 22:34 |
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