[03:05] <Capum321> hello, installed samba and smb.conf doesn't have security = user anywhere, neither as commented line
[03:06] <Capum321> is this correct?
[03:08] <tsimonq2> Capum321: #ubuntu is probably the best place for that :)
[03:09] <Capum321> thanks
[08:21] <kagani> wow.
[08:22] <kagani> that hellstorm documentary is horrifying.
[17:11] <tbnbuddha> hi. i am trying to setup a laptop with lubuntu but i run into so much problems. But i guess maybe my laptop is damaged. For example my wifi isn't working (driver issue i read about it) so i use a smartphone with tethering. but after around 20 seconds the connection always shut down. when i restart tethering on my phone i have another 20 seconds. and so one. what can be the reason for this?
[17:12] <wxl> tbnbuddha: stupid question, but is the phone using wifi?
[17:12] <tbnbuddha> yes
[17:12] <wxl> tbnbuddha: does turning off the wifi radio on the phone help it at all?
[17:13] <tbnbuddha> mmh then i have no internet connection at all. it might sound stupid on you, but i just use my smartphone with wifi
[17:13] <wxl> tbnbuddha: the problem may be that wifi is fickle :(
[17:13] <tbnbuddha> is the wifi and the tethering related to each other?
[17:14] <tbnbuddha> i am in my flat and i almost never have connection problems when i use my smartphone
[17:15] <wxl> admittedly, i wouldn't expect the problem to happen every 20 seconds
[17:15] <tbnbuddha> it is also everytime the same amount of time until the connection is interrupted
[17:15] <tbnbuddha> it is almost excactly the same time period
[17:15] <wxl> have you looked at logs to see if there may be something clearly happening?
[17:15] <tbnbuddha> logs on the laptop?
[17:15] <wxl> yeah and if not there on the phone
[17:15] <wxl> but those are likely much harder to get to
[17:16] <wxl>  /var/log/syslog or /var/log/dmesg would be where i'd start
[17:16] <tbnbuddha> mmh on the phone i don't even know where to find logs. but ok i can take a look into the logs on my linux on this laptop
[17:16] <wxl> what you can do is "wattch" both logs while you start the tethering and then wait 20 seconds
[17:16] <tbnbuddha> i take a look
[17:16] <wxl> tail -f /var/log/{syslog,dmesg}
[17:16] <wxl> do that in a terminal
[17:16] <wxl> then hit enter a couple times to make a clear break
[17:17] <wxl> then start the tethering connection up
[17:19] <tbnbuddha> oh yeah there are some error messages. i try to paste them
[17:19] <wxl> !pastebin | tbnbuddha
[17:23] <jirido_> Lubuntu rules!
[17:24] <tbnbuddha> i installed that pastebinit now. did i just need to use "| pastebinit" at the end or how it is done?
[17:25] <wxl> tbnbuddha: correct. so you could concievably do the `tail -f /var/log/{syslog,dmesg} | pastebinit` and it SHOULD work but you may have to kill the process rather than ctrl-c'ing. not sure.
[17:25] <wxl> tbnbuddha: or you could just select relevant lines and put them in a normal paste
[17:25] <tbnbuddha> where do i get the url and how could i stop the process?
[17:25] <LuMint> what's this pastebinit? where do I find the script?
[17:26] <LuMint> atm i use gist-paste
[17:26] <tbnbuddha> apt-get install pastebinit
[17:26] <LuMint> ok
[17:26] <LuMint> thx
[17:26] <tbnbuddha> where do i get the url from to post? and how can i end the process?
[17:27] <tbnbuddha> ctrl c might not be the solution, or?
[17:27] <wxl> tbnbuddha: in a seperate terminal just do `killall tail` and the former terminal should spit out the url
[17:28] <tbnbuddha> ah ok will try that
[17:28] <tbnbuddha> and the url?
[17:28] <wxl> tbnbuddha: see the latter clause of my last post :)
[17:29] <tbnbuddha> ah sorry. my fault
[17:29] <wxl> np
[17:29] <wxl> i'm doing about 100 things at once so you're lucky i got it right at all XD
[17:29] <LuMint> wxl: ctrl+c won't work?
[17:29] <wxl> LuMint: it may. it also may issue an exit code that kills the stream. just not sure.
[17:31] <tbnbuddha> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23280857/
[17:31] <tbnbuddha> the problem was in the end the connection is interrupted
[17:32] <tbnbuddha> so i have to start tethering again that the paste is transferred with working connection
[17:33] <wxl> at what point did the connection actually stop?
[17:33] <tbnbuddha> i need to take a look. i started tethering. then i run the command.
[17:33] <tbnbuddha> anywhere in the middle it should have stopped
[17:33] <wxl> i'd do it the other way around and watch the time closely
[17:33] <tbnbuddha> then i run tethering again to stop the pasteit command
[17:34] <tbnbuddha> i think 19:30:42 should it be
[17:35] <tbnbuddha> there are some error messages that sound like that
[17:36] <tbnbuddha> i think more and more my laptop is damaged. it also does not shutdown or restart correctly.
[17:36] <wxl> it seems that ModemManager has a serial time out and that's what causes the changes
[17:36] <tbnbuddha> this is a fresh 16.04 lubuntu installation
[17:36] <tbnbuddha> what could be the cause of that?
[17:36] <wxl> although NetworkManager also core dumps, which is strange, too
[17:37] <wxl> i am honestly not sure. i'd have to dig around and see if this is a common problem
[17:37] <tbnbuddha> wxl i appreciate your help very much. it is so good how you help people
[17:38] <wxl> what i will say is that we share this same infrastructure with Ubuntu. i think if you might have better luck getting to the cause of this problem if you open your search to a wider audience. would you mind asking at #ubuntu and see if they have any insight?
[17:38] <tbnbuddha> i get more and more the feeling it is a serious hardware problem
[17:38] <wxl> i wouldn't necessarily jump to that conclusion. it's possible, but not certain
[17:39] <tbnbuddha> sure i will try that. i really need that laptop and could not afford to buy a new one right now :(
[17:39] <wxl> you might try doing a memory test on it. you can do that at the grub start up menu (hold down shift when booting)
[17:39] <tbnbuddha> ok this is a good idea
[17:39] <wxl> tbnbuddha: those serial time outs start at line 116
[17:40] <wxl> tbnbuddha: NetworkManager core dump occurs on line 149
[17:41] <tbnbuddha> mmh ok. i try to test the memory first then i ask in the ubuntu channel
[17:41] <tbnbuddha> thx a lot for your help so far
[17:41] <wxl> np
[17:41] <wxl> sorry i couldn't be of more help
[17:42] <tbnbuddha> you already are a huge help
[17:42] <wxl> good luck my friend ;)
[17:42] <tbnbuddha> thank you :)
[17:44] <tbnbuddha> mmh i don't have a grub menu when booting. so holding down shift has no affect. or did i something wrong? i just have installed lubuntu freshly. no other os on it
[17:49] <tbnbuddha> ah ESC is the key. seems they changed that
[17:54] <tbnbuddha> there is no memtest entry in my grub menu. can i start it from the grub command line?
[17:54] <tbnbuddha> ubuntu website shows no command for that in the command list for grub
[17:56] <tbnbuddha> seems i need to install it via apt-get first
[17:57] <tbnbuddha> mmh already installed :(
[17:59] <wxl> tbnbuddha: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[17:59] <bkm> hello, folks. linux-generic kernel dependency problem? Is this a known issue? installing the latest alternate lubuntu installer from a thumbdrive.
[18:00] <wxl> bkm: please elaborate
[18:01] <bkm> wxl: on install it says cannot install kernel, see /var/log/syslog or console 4. those show that the kernel has dependency problems
[18:01] <wxl> bkm: what specfic problem?
[18:02] <bkm> wxl: meaning you want the messages on console 4?
[18:02] <wxl> bkm: yep
[18:06] <bkm> wxl: linux-generic depends on linux-image-generic (/ 4.4.0.31.33); however: Package linux-image-generic is not configured yet.
[18:06] <bkm> the / should be an =
[18:07] <wxl> bkm: that's very strange. is this the daily version?
[18:07] <wxl> !info linux-image-generic yakkety
[18:07] <wxl> based on the above, i'd suspect not
[18:07] <wxl> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[18:07] <wxl> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[18:08] <bkm> don't think so, i may have the *.iso on my desktop
[18:08] <wxl> you don't know what version it is?
[18:08] <bkm> wxl: lubuntu-16.04.1-alternate-i386.iso
[18:09] <wxl> bkm: did you check the hashes?
[18:09] <bkm> no
[18:09] <wxl> bkm: you should start with that. otherwise you may have download and/or copying issues.
[18:10] <bkm> wxl: thx.
[18:10] <wxl> bkm: as you can see by looking at the release notes there are no known bugs https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu
[18:10] <wxl> no known RELATED bugs i mean
[18:10] <wxl> bkm: also looking at the above linux-image-generic for that version should be 4.4.0.38.40 so that's strange too
[18:11] <bkm> wxl: yeah, noticed
[18:20] <swift110> hey guys
[18:20] <wxl> swift110: ok
[21:45] <bkm> wxl: similar error with lubuntu-16.10-beta2-alternate-i386.iso
[21:45] <wxl> bkm: and you checked the hashes?
[21:46] <wxl> bkm: i question you because i've installed all of these, as have others, and we have not run into such problems.
[21:46] <bkm> wxl: i used the zsync option which claimed to have checked the hashes
[21:46] <wxl> bkm: these are also fundamental problems. everyone in ubuntu would likely have them, too.
[21:46] <wxl> bkm: what install media did you use?
[21:47] <bkm> i dd'ed the iso to a thumb drive.
[21:47] <wxl> and did you check the hashes on the drive?
[21:47] <bkm> no
[21:47] <wxl> well then i'd advise you do that
[21:47] <wxl> copying can create problems, too
[21:48] <bkm> wxl: right, thx
[21:48] <bkm> wxl: but the exact same problem?
[21:50] <wxl> bkm: seems weird, but again, it's been tested by others with no such problems
[21:59] <bkm> wxl: /target/boot seems to have filled up.
[22:01] <wxl> bkm: how small is your drive?
[22:02] <bkm> wxl: my /boot partition is ~22 Mb. Drive is large.
[22:02] <wxl> bkm: did you partition it as such?
[22:02] <bkm> wxl: yes
[22:03] <wxl> bkm: in that case, i think we've got a PEBKAC. XD
[22:04] <bkm> wxl: yeah. be nice for a message saying that writing to that partition is impossible rather than just blundering on until some obscure error, but it's something i should have thought of.
[22:05] <wxl> bkm: admittedly, that's reasonable. feel free to file a bug against debian-installer.
[22:05] <bkm> wxl: many thanks for your suggestions.
[22:06] <wxl> bkm: happy to help. let me know if you need anything else. :)
[22:07] <bkm> wxl: either firefox not to consume all resources until the window manager freezes or for chromium not to blow up. other than that, lubuntu has been great on both lean and mean machines
[22:08] <wxl> bkm: fwiw i use proper chrome. there's also xombrero if you want something really light
[22:09] <wxl> bkm: i've never bothered with such things but you could probably re-nice firefox to make it behave better. maybe.
[22:10] <wxl> bkm: however, most likely is gobbling up memory.
[22:11] <wxl> bkm: there is cgroups http://serverfault.com/questions/344181/nice-for-memory-management#344187
[22:12] <bkm> wxl: actually, with chromium, i was never able to input text. i have tried different chromes, but was never able to rely on it. i think i tried re-nice, but eventually, i would have to restart the window manager. yes, memory seems worse than processor. i like that chromium has different pieces to kill, but text entry...
[22:13] <wxl> bkm: there's also ulimit/timeout http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/44985/limit-memory-usage-for-a-single-linux-process
[22:13] <bkm> wxl: great! i have not been doing much with computers lately, so i am trying to regain my vocabulary and see what has happened while i have been absent.
[22:14] <wxl> bkm: as for chromium, you might want to check and see if you're running ibus. it used to cause all sorts of headaches.
[22:15] <wxl> bkm: see also bug 1307648
[22:15] <bkm> wxl: great!
[23:27] <n-iCe> hello wxl here?
[23:30] <wxl> n-iCe: yep
[23:30] <n-iCe> does lubuntu makes everything for a ssd installation?
[23:31] <wxl> nope
[23:31] <wxl> i mean you can do an ssd installation but it's not a requirement
[23:31] <wxl> there's nothing special to do, really
[23:32] <n-iCe> really what about noatime
[23:32] <n-iCe> trim
[23:32] <wxl> those are common kernel features
[23:32] <n-iCe> I just bought a laptop who has a ssd 250GB and a sata hard drive with 500GB
[23:32] <n-iCe> so I want to make sure I do the best configuration
[23:33] <wxl> last time i installed on an ssd i just installed
[23:33] <n-iCe> ok
[23:33] <n-iCe> awesome, will actually ubuntu and lubuntu do the same?
[23:33] <wxl> as far as the kernel is concerned, yes
[23:34] <n-iCe> or should I go to Ubuntu
[23:34] <n-iCe> or nothing to worry about in lubuntu?
[23:34] <wxl> they're both the same in terms of installation, really
[23:34] <n-iCe> ok, awesome.
[23:34] <wxl> http://askubuntu.com/questions/19376/installing-ubuntu-on-a-ssd
[23:37] <n-iCe> swap is not needed anymore, right
[23:37] <n-iCe> for me
[23:37] <wxl> as long as you have the memory
[23:38] <n-iCe> 12GB
[23:38] <wxl> probably enough :)
[23:38] <wxl> if you're really worried about it you could put swap on the hard drive
[23:38] <n-iCe> ok
[23:39] <n-iCe> so, lubuntu should go ok
[23:39] <n-iCe> right
[23:39] <wxl> yup
[23:39] <wxl> i've run lubuntu on as little as about 256KB
[23:39] <n-iCe> would you put  / and boot in ssd and home in the sata?
[23:39] <wxl> not good for modern browsing, but it works!
[23:40] <wxl> that's really a personal choice but i'd probably want to use the ssd as much as possible
[23:40] <n-iCe> ok
[23:40] <n-iCe> thanks going to reboot into lubuntu hold on
[23:49] <swift110> ssd's are awesome