[01:45] Hello, there. [01:46] Some days ago, I updated and upgrade this system (my ex's computer) [01:46] Everthing seemed to be right. Updated, upgraded. [01:46] Ubuntu-Mate 14.04 [01:46] x64 [01:47] But, after that, in two times, at boot, everthing seem to be right... till mate-panel dissapears. [01:47] for example, I just booted... and there is no mate-panel [01:48] Using ps -A, mate-panel is there... but it is not visible. [01:50] Here is an screenshot: http://pasteall.org/pic/index.php?id=107422 [01:55] To make it appear again, I have to kill it. === petra is now known as Guest44094 [10:52] hello [10:52] i have a question: does anyone know how to get a dmx6fire pci soundcard working? i tried many things mentioned on the net but no joy so far... [10:53] lscpi give me: 04:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. Device 1702 (rev 02) [10:54] but no mention in dmesg, no modules get loaded etc [10:55] mudita24: no ice1712 detected [10:55] if i load modules: modprobe ice1712 it loads all modules, but still mudita24 says no... [10:56] i tried disabling on board audio and blacklisting nvidia hdmi sound [10:57] if anyone could help me get this thing working, that would be grand :D [10:57] i want to use it with JACK, so if i need to get rid of pulseaudio, np for me [11:12] hello, everybody! [11:16] sss [11:17] \:D [11:17] .,;./,d [12:24] flexiondotorg, in the "Supporting Open Source" section for August on the blog, where you list the devs, "Luke Horwell" and "Robin Thompson" have both links pointing to lah7's profile. [12:25] ouroumov, Thanks. [12:25] Will correct later. [13:59] flexiondotorg: Blame Wimpy: http://imgur.com/yLl6Tsf.jpg [13:59] :-D [14:01] setup OMV on one of the NAS Debian boxes at work after hearing about you and Chris rambling about it on Linux Unplugged 5-6 times :D, and it got newer netatalk then Debian-LTS aswell so that will help when updating a couple of OS X boxes in a couple of weeks to El Capitan and Logic X instead of Snow Leopard and Logic 9 [14:01] :> [14:01] so thank you [14:02] soon time to go home here tough but will look around more around the week [15:25] I am very pleased with Ubuntu Mate. Actually it is the very first time that I have zero problems with Linux. Question is: The first boots offered a few bugs like a missing network applet, bad wifi conection or an internal problem. After a few starts and smaller updates nothing left, it is perfectly working and I wish to understand what exactly happened. [15:40] I imagine it has updated the drivers for your machine. [17:41] Hello :) [17:42] Could someone tell me why I should use ubuntu-mate and not linuxmint, this days ? [17:51] hetii, one reason why i moved away from mint is that some of the mint software is pretty poorly written [17:52] eg ? [17:52] let me show you [17:52] here's how they write to a file https://github.com/linuxmint/mintnanny/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintnanny/mintnanny.py#L117 [17:53] another big reason is that on ubuntu i can update my system on the terminal [17:55] other than that, i can't think of anything that ubuntu would really do better than mint. they are just different, and you can use whatever you like. [17:57] Akuli, damn that example. o_o [17:57] yep :) [17:57] thats mint [17:59] Well, I can image that under python they could use build it methods to operate on file object. [17:59] i mean http://dpaste.com/1ABQSAV [18:00] if that's too difficult for mint developers then i really can't trust them :) [18:02] what's interesting is that they know how to read from a file anyway https://github.com/linuxmint/mintnanny/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintnanny/mintnanny.py#L49 [18:02] ohh its python3, I didint know that printf can handle now file object in that way... [18:02] works in python 2 also [18:02] *i mean print [18:02] from __future__ import print_function [18:02] aa [18:02] :) [18:06] the print function is nice, you can call .flush() on the stream automatically also if you want to :) [18:06] print(stuff, flush=True) [18:09] hetii: I would probably explain it more on an approach level. U-MATE takes the Ubuntu base, and adds a value-add Mate desktop (gotta love Welcome & Software Boutique), where as Mint, to my understanding, takes Ubuntu base adds Cinnamon desktop, and rewrites/replaces whatever they don't like - and it isn't necessarily better, nor value add when they cld hv [18:09] improved the original. But gives them the opportunity to do new/better where the Ubuntu way may have proven limiting [18:10] yeah, ubuntu mate and mint both take ubuntu and turn it into something a bit different, mint just changes it more which is why it doesn't have ubuntu in its name [18:11] third reason why i don't like mint: its software is usually a little outdated [18:11] not really a huge problem if you install a newer kernel though === john is now known as Guest20141