[01:45] <MarioMey> Hello, there.
[01:46] <MarioMey> Some days ago, I updated and upgrade this system (my ex's computer)
[01:46] <MarioMey> Everthing seemed to be right. Updated, upgraded.
[01:46] <MarioMey> Ubuntu-Mate 14.04
[01:46] <MarioMey> x64
[01:47] <MarioMey> But, after that, in two times, at boot, everthing seem to be right... till mate-panel dissapears.
[01:47] <MarioMey> for example, I just booted... and there is no mate-panel
[01:48] <MarioMey> Using ps -A, mate-panel is there... but it is not visible.
[01:50] <MarioMey> Here is an screenshot: http://pasteall.org/pic/index.php?id=107422
[01:55] <MarioMey> To make it appear again, I have to kill it.
[10:52] <mate|62005> hello
[10:52] <mate|62005> i have a question: does anyone know how to get a dmx6fire pci soundcard working? i tried many things mentioned on the net but no joy so far...
[10:53] <mate|62005> lscpi give me: 04:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. Device 1702 (rev 02)
[10:54] <mate|62005> but no mention in dmesg, no modules get loaded etc
[10:55] <mate|62005> mudita24: no ice1712 detected
[10:55] <mate|62005> if i load modules: modprobe ice1712 it loads all modules, but still mudita24 says no...
[10:56] <mate|62005> i tried disabling on board audio and blacklisting nvidia hdmi sound
[10:57] <mate|62005> if anyone could help me get this thing working, that would be grand :D
[10:57] <mate|62005> i want to use it with JACK, so if i need to get rid of pulseaudio, np for me
[11:12] <alister> hello, everybody!
[11:16] <s30813> sss
[11:17] <s30818> \:D
[11:17] <s30811> .,;./,d
[12:24] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, in the "Supporting Open Source" section for August on the blog, where you list the devs, "Luke Horwell" and "Robin Thompson" have both links pointing to lah7's profile.
[12:25] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov, Thanks.
[12:25] <flexiondotorg> Will correct later.
[13:59] <bittin> flexiondotorg: Blame Wimpy: http://imgur.com/yLl6Tsf.jpg
[13:59] <flexiondotorg> :-D
[14:01] <bittin> setup OMV on one of the NAS Debian boxes at work after hearing about you and Chris rambling about it on Linux Unplugged 5-6 times :D, and it got newer netatalk then Debian-LTS aswell so that will help when updating a couple of OS X boxes in a couple of weeks to El Capitan and Logic X instead of Snow Leopard and Logic 9
[14:01] <bittin> :>
[14:01] <bittin> so thank you
[14:02] <bittin> soon time to go home here tough but will look around more around the week
[15:25] <sven__> I am very pleased with Ubuntu Mate. Actually it is the very first time that I have zero problems with Linux. Question is: The first boots offered a few bugs like a missing network applet, bad wifi conection or an internal problem. After a few starts and smaller updates nothing left, it is perfectly working and I wish to understand what exactly happened.
[15:40] <sixwheeledbeast> I imagine it has updated the drivers for your machine.
[17:41] <hetii> Hello :)
[17:42] <hetii> Could someone tell me why I should use ubuntu-mate and not linuxmint, this days ?
[17:51] <Akuli> hetii, one reason why i moved away from mint is that some of the mint software is pretty poorly written
[17:52] <hetii> eg ?
[17:52] <Akuli> let me show you
[17:52] <Akuli> here's how they write to a file https://github.com/linuxmint/mintnanny/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintnanny/mintnanny.py#L117
[17:53] <Akuli> another big reason is that on ubuntu i can update my system on the terminal
[17:55] <Akuli> other than that, i can't think of anything that ubuntu would really do better than mint. they are just different, and you can use whatever you like.
[17:57] <ouroumov_> Akuli, damn that example. o_o
[17:57] <Akuli> yep :)
[17:57] <Akuli> thats mint
[17:59] <hetii> Well, I can image that under python they could use build it methods to operate on file object.
[17:59] <Akuli> i mean http://dpaste.com/1ABQSAV
[18:00] <Akuli> if that's too difficult for mint developers then i really can't trust them :)
[18:02] <Akuli> what's interesting is that they know how to read from a file anyway https://github.com/linuxmint/mintnanny/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintnanny/mintnanny.py#L49
[18:02] <hetii> ohh its python3, I didint know that printf can handle now file object in that way...
[18:02] <Akuli> works in python 2 also
[18:02] <hetii> *i mean print
[18:02] <Akuli> from __future__ import print_function
[18:02] <hetii> aa
[18:02] <Akuli> :)
[18:06] <Akuli> the print function is nice, you can call .flush() on the stream automatically also if you want to :)
[18:06] <Akuli> print(stuff, flush=True)
[18:09] <masnell> hetii: I would probably explain it more on an approach level. U-MATE takes the Ubuntu base, and adds a value-add Mate desktop (gotta love Welcome & Software Boutique), where as Mint, to my understanding, takes Ubuntu base adds Cinnamon desktop, and rewrites/replaces whatever they don't like - and it isn't necessarily better, nor value add when they cld hv
[18:09] <masnell> improved the original. But gives them the opportunity to do new/better where the Ubuntu way may have proven limiting
[18:10] <Akuli> yeah, ubuntu mate and mint both take ubuntu and turn it into something a bit different, mint just changes it more which is why it doesn't have ubuntu in its name
[18:11] <Akuli> third reason why i don't like mint: its software is usually a little outdated
[18:11] <Akuli> not really a huge problem if you install a newer kernel though