[07:30] mornin [07:30] good morn \o [07:46] 'ning [07:46] o/ [07:51] changed firefox to multi process. it doth sucketh still [07:51] maybe a good clean profile is needed [07:51] one of the tabs causing 100% cpu [07:52] however it runs so nice on Windows, seems they just dropped the ball on Linux and mac [07:52] but it still kills whole browser [07:52] err well that sounds like plugins [07:52] don't have many [07:53] ah its also using 5G resident [07:53] it was that "listen to wikipedia" site [07:54] left it runnign overnight. [07:54] hmm or was it [08:00] gaah it was logstash [08:25] what's that? [08:27] morning boys and girls. [08:28] \o [08:29] morning daftykins [08:30] :) [08:30] must head out, first time working since i got back :D [08:30] ooh the pain of it all! [08:32] :) [08:33] hmm [08:33] logstash is awesome. think searchable unified syslogging across all machines [08:33] popey lied to me :) [08:34] Snappy install of nextcloud on rasp pi didnt work so smoothly [08:39] hm? [08:39] I didn't lie. It worked smoothly for me. [08:40] knightwise: why? [08:45] popey: got some dependancy errors (strange) [08:45] Should have made some screenshos [08:45] uh [08:46] knightwise: how did you install it [08:46] I installed the snap [08:46] snap install nextcloud [08:46] End of instructions [08:47] knightwise: the dependencies in the snap are bundled in there are no dependency issues. Install Snappy Core 16 and then sudo snap install nextcloud [08:57] davmor2: i did do a snap install , but it failed to start the nextcloud services , i'll try again tonight an see what I get [09:16] knightwise: it takes a little while on first start, some minutes [09:16] I just tested here [09:16] (on another pi) [09:20] did you get an error ? [09:21] at what point? [09:22] well, no, i see no errors [09:22] Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy World Teachers' Day! 😃 [09:23] who put world teachers day in october?! when they can least appreciate it?! :-) [09:35] JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ia-ch8g8c0 [09:36] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib-Qiyklq-Q === layke is now known as Guest32878 [14:57] argh. I'm getting angry reading this ubuntu-devel-discuss thread [14:58] "It's not what I want. make it how I want it. I won't tell you what I want, just what I don't." [14:59] there's lots of bashing of current state but no actual constructive arguments for what to do about it [14:59] i have a constructive argument for what to do about it [14:59] seems to be a common theme from this xen guy [15:00] fire the entire phone team and consolidate on desktop and server [15:00] OR [15:00] fire the desktop and server teams and concentrate on phone (but that would be suicide) [15:02] perhaps an even easier solution would be to just make the phone team only use phones to do all their work [15:03] no desktops, no servers. just convergence [15:13] diddledan, is that where general discussions take place for any ubuntu dev? I might want to have a read as I am seriously surprised at some stuff. [15:14] Gargoyle: not sure about everything, but some stuff gets discussed there [15:14] ali1234: but then how do you flip-flop between priorities every couple of release? [15:15] well you can still flip flop between desktop and server [15:15] actually that could work pretty well [15:15] LTS switches between desktop and server focus [15:15] and they have five year support [15:18] is that what they do, or something you suggest? We stopped using Ubuntu servers a few years ago (12.04?) when it looked like Canonical was all about phones and tablets [15:18] something i suggest [15:18] canonical is now all about phones and tablets and server and also the cloud [15:19] also they still make a desktop operating system [15:19] also IoT [15:19] oh and also several different app ecosystems (click, snap, charm...) [15:20] thing is I can understand the desire to be in these other markets. it allows canonical to get some positive cashflow. [15:20] not if they never finish anything it doesn't [15:27] i just tried on install ubuntu on nexus 7 which is a reference device and it doesn't even work [15:28] the installer just exits and the device screen says "this device needs restoring from a PC or service center" on a purple ubuntu background [15:29] yeah, if you're interested in any of those things, it looks like a thing Canonical's sort-of doing but not focussing on [15:43] diddledan: heh what you just described is every day in #kodi [15:44] "this software doesn't read my mind about how i want my media collection, a curse on ye all!" [17:24] daftykins you tried kodi on an amazon stick? [17:25] yeah, don't bother - full wired LAN model or not at all :) [17:25] actually about to fire up a Rick and Morty episode on mine right this moment \o/ i have the first gen FireTV model [17:25] sad thing is Kodi lost its' android dev, so the platform is in jeopardy too [17:26] ali1234: Nexus 7 isn't a reference device anymore so hasn't had testing for a while [17:26] davmor2: the wiki says it is [17:27] https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/devices/ [17:27] wiki says lots of things [17:28] the funny thing is that in the end it turned out that the wiki was correct and all the advice people gave me was wrong [17:28] ali1234: I'll pass the message on though [17:28] wow an up to date wiki! that's... unheard of [17:28] daftykins: :) [17:28] the problem was just that i needed to format system, because u-d-f can't [17:28] so the question remains, if the wiki had the info - why did you need to talk to people? [17:29] because the wiki doesn't mention that u-d-f doesn't know how to format unfortmatted partitions [17:29] i had to figure that part out myself though [17:31] ah well at least you can fix the wiki and make the world a better place now [17:31] ali1234: the nexus7 didn't need partitioning you could just flash from bootstrap and wipe the drive maybe that is the issue [17:31] davmor2: i never said anything about partitioning [17:31] it is impossible to modify the partitions on a nexus 7 without reflashing the first stage bootloader [17:31] the problem is that i did fastboot erase system instead of fastboot format system [17:32] and u-d-f is not smart enough to format it for me in that case [17:32] or perhaps the problem was userdata [17:35] and daftykins it's not the community wiki, so only canonical can edit it... i guess it's not really even a wiki any more, it's developer.ubuntu.com [17:36] or actually i might be wrong about that.. lets see [17:36] ali1234: it not only canonical it is ubuntu memebers and canonical and it is locked down because it was getting spammed every two seconds [17:37] davmor2: no, that's the community wiki you are talking about [17:37] the instructions i followed are at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ [17:38] the community wiki is now locked down too, so i can't edit that anymore [17:38] ali1234: well that isn't a wiki that is a website that is controlled by popey and co iirc [17:38] it used to be a wiki, albiet one that only canonical could edit [17:39] well that's sucky [17:39] i suppose it's not hugely worth resolving issues on such old devices [17:39] ali1234: no it wasn't it's been wordpress and now django iirc but popey can confirm [17:40] daftykins: there is no issue, it works fine as long as you format the partitions first [17:40] it is expected that you just install it over android without wiping [17:43] ah i was getting the idea of an inaccurate guide [17:43] no the guide is accurate it just missed one crucial piece of information: [17:43] ubuntu does not work like every android rom ever made. it requires the partitions to be formatted before you install it. [17:44] and also it won't tell you what the problem is if they aren't [17:44] funny, if i were changing ROM i'd format everything first [17:44] i know right? [17:45] well, formatting it is fine, erasing it is not [17:45] but for example, flash-all.sh will just work no matter what state the device is it [17:45] that's what the factory roms use [17:57] ali1234: anyone can edit the wiki, it's not locked down, you just need to be in the right launchpad group - ~ubuntu-wiki-editors [18:15] "diabetes pumps obey unencrypted radio commands" that seems like old news [18:16] i did like when they installed a pacemaker in cheney they disabled the wireless link to prevent hackers... === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [18:23] "replacement galaxy note 7 explodes during boarding of a southwest flight" [18:23] oh samsung, you're in trouble now [18:27] horribly unlucky for them [19:48] Just found some files that are chgrouped to 'guest-xutdxq' [19:48] any idea? [19:49] google has 0 results for 'guest-xutdxq' search [19:49] did you log in to the guest account? [19:50] well the second portion definitely looks generated [19:50] yeah [19:50] so a google result would be quite improbable ;D [19:50] http://askubuntu.com/questions/337861/why-there-are-many-guest-accounts-on-my-system [21:35] * lopta slumps across his desk.