[07:30] <knightwise> mornin
[07:30] <daftykins> good morn \o
[07:46] <SuperMatt> 'ning
[07:46] <Gargoyle> o/
[07:51] <foobarry> changed firefox to multi process. it doth sucketh still
[07:51] <daftykins> maybe a good clean profile is needed
[07:51] <foobarry> one of the tabs causing 100% cpu
[07:52] <daftykins> however it runs so nice on Windows, seems they just dropped the ball on Linux and mac
[07:52] <foobarry> but it still kills whole browser
[07:52] <daftykins> err well that sounds like plugins
[07:52] <foobarry> don't have many
[07:53] <foobarry> ah its also using 5G resident
[07:53] <foobarry> it was that "listen to wikipedia" site
[07:54] <foobarry> left it runnign overnight.
[07:54] <foobarry> hmm or was it
[08:00] <foobarry> gaah it was logstash
[08:25] <daftykins> what's that?
[08:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:28] <daftykins> \o
[08:29] <brobostigon> morning daftykins
[08:30] <daftykins> :)
[08:30] <daftykins> must head out, first time working since i got back :D
[08:30] <daftykins> ooh the pain of it all!
[08:32] <brobostigon> :)
[08:33] <knightwise> hmm
[08:33] <foobarry> logstash is awesome. think searchable unified syslogging across all machines
[08:33] <knightwise> popey lied to me :)
[08:34] <knightwise> Snappy install of nextcloud on rasp pi didnt work so smoothly
[08:39] <popey> hm?
[08:39] <popey> I didn't lie. It worked smoothly for me.
[08:40] <davmor2> knightwise: why?
[08:45] <knightwise> popey: got some dependancy errors (strange)
[08:45] <knightwise> Should have made some screenshos
[08:45] <popey> uh
[08:46] <davmor2> knightwise: how did you install it
[08:46] <popey> I installed the snap
[08:46] <popey> snap install nextcloud
[08:46] <popey> End of instructions
[08:47] <davmor2> knightwise: the dependencies in the snap are bundled in there are no dependency issues.  Install Snappy Core 16 and then sudo snap install nextcloud
[08:57] <knightwise> davmor2: i did do a snap install , but it failed to start the nextcloud services , i'll try again tonight an see what I get
[09:16] <popey> knightwise: it takes a little while on first start, some minutes
[09:16] <popey> I just tested here
[09:16] <popey> (on another pi)
[09:20] <knightwise> did you get an error ?
[09:21] <popey> at what point?
[09:22] <popey> well, no, i see no errors
[09:22] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy World Teachers' Day! 😃
[09:23] <zmoylan-pi> who put world teachers day in october?! when they can least appreciate it?! :-)
[09:35] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ia-ch8g8c0
[09:36] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib-Qiyklq-Q
[14:57] <diddledan> argh. I'm getting angry reading this ubuntu-devel-discuss thread
[14:58] <diddledan> "It's not what I want. make it how I want it. I won't tell you what I want, just what I don't."
[14:59] <diddledan> there's lots of bashing of current state but no actual constructive arguments for what to do about it
[14:59] <ali1234> i have a constructive argument for what to do about it
[14:59] <diddledan> seems to be a common theme from this xen guy
[15:00] <ali1234> fire the entire phone team and consolidate on desktop and server
[15:00] <ali1234> OR
[15:00] <ali1234> fire the desktop and server teams and concentrate on phone (but that would be suicide)
[15:02] <ali1234> perhaps an even easier solution would be to just make the phone team only use phones to do all their work
[15:03] <ali1234> no desktops, no servers. just convergence
[15:13] <Gargoyle> diddledan, is that where general discussions take place for any ubuntu dev? I might want to have a read as I am seriously surprised at some stuff.
[15:14] <diddledan> Gargoyle: not sure about everything, but some stuff gets discussed there
[15:14] <BigRedS1> ali1234: but then how do you flip-flop between priorities every couple of release?
[15:15] <ali1234> well you can still flip flop between desktop and server
[15:15] <ali1234> actually that could work pretty well
[15:15] <ali1234> LTS switches between desktop and server focus
[15:15] <ali1234> and they have five year support
[15:18] <BigRedS1> is that what they do, or something you suggest? We stopped using Ubuntu servers a few years ago (12.04?) when it looked like Canonical was all about phones and tablets
[15:18] <ali1234> something i suggest
[15:18] <ali1234> canonical is now all about phones and tablets and server and also the cloud
[15:19] <ali1234> also they still make a desktop operating system
[15:19] <ali1234> also IoT
[15:19] <ali1234> oh and also several different app ecosystems (click, snap, charm...)
[15:20] <diddledan> thing is I can understand the desire to be in these other markets. it allows canonical to get some positive cashflow.
[15:20] <ali1234> not if they never finish anything it doesn't
[15:27] <ali1234> i just tried on install ubuntu on nexus 7 which is a reference device and it doesn't even work
[15:28] <ali1234> the installer just exits and the device screen says "this device needs restoring from a PC or service center" on a purple ubuntu background
[15:29] <BigRedS1> yeah, if you're interested in any of those things, it looks like a thing Canonical's sort-of doing but not focussing on
[15:43] <daftykins> diddledan: heh what you just described is every day in #kodi
[15:44] <daftykins> "this software doesn't read my mind about how i want my media collection, a curse on ye all!" </standard user>
[17:24] <arsen> daftykins  you tried kodi on an amazon stick?
[17:25] <daftykins> yeah, don't bother - full wired LAN model or not at all :)
[17:25] <daftykins> actually about to fire up a Rick and Morty episode on mine right this moment \o/ i have the first gen FireTV model
[17:25] <daftykins> sad thing is Kodi lost its' android dev, so the platform is in jeopardy too
[17:26] <davmor2> ali1234: Nexus 7 isn't a reference device anymore so hasn't had testing for a while
[17:26] <ali1234> davmor2: the wiki says it is
[17:27] <ali1234> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/devices/
[17:27] <davmor2> wiki says lots of things
[17:28] <ali1234> the funny thing is that in the end it turned out that the wiki was correct and all the advice people gave me was wrong
[17:28] <davmor2> ali1234: I'll pass the message on though
[17:28] <daftykins> wow an up to date wiki! that's... unheard of
[17:28] <davmor2> daftykins: :)
[17:28] <ali1234> the problem was just that i needed to format system, because u-d-f can't
[17:28] <daftykins> so the question remains, if the wiki had the info - why did you need to talk to people?
[17:29] <ali1234> because the wiki doesn't mention that u-d-f doesn't know how to format unfortmatted partitions
[17:29] <ali1234> i had to figure that part out myself though
[17:31] <daftykins> ah well at least you can fix the wiki and make the world a better place now
[17:31] <davmor2> ali1234: the nexus7 didn't need partitioning you could just flash from bootstrap and wipe the drive maybe that is the issue
[17:31] <ali1234> davmor2: i never said anything about partitioning
[17:31] <ali1234> it is impossible to modify the partitions on a nexus 7 without reflashing the first stage bootloader
[17:31] <ali1234> the problem is that i did fastboot erase system instead of fastboot format system
[17:32] <ali1234> and u-d-f is not smart enough to format it for me in that case
[17:32] <ali1234> or perhaps the problem was userdata
[17:35] <ali1234> and daftykins it's not the community wiki, so only canonical can edit it... i guess it's not really even a wiki any more, it's developer.ubuntu.com
[17:36] <ali1234> or actually i might be wrong about that.. lets see
[17:36] <davmor2> ali1234: it not only canonical it is ubuntu memebers and canonical and it is locked down because it was getting spammed every two seconds
[17:37] <ali1234> davmor2: no, that's the community wiki you are talking about
[17:37] <ali1234> the instructions i followed are at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[17:38] <ali1234> the community wiki is now locked down too, so i can't edit that anymore
[17:38] <davmor2> ali1234: well that isn't a wiki that is a website that is controlled by popey and co iirc
[17:38] <ali1234> it used to be a wiki, albiet one that only canonical could edit
[17:39] <daftykins> well that's sucky
[17:39] <daftykins> i suppose it's not hugely worth resolving issues on such old devices
[17:39] <davmor2> ali1234: no it wasn't it's been wordpress and now django iirc but popey can confirm
[17:40] <ali1234> daftykins: there is no issue, it works fine as long as you format the partitions first
[17:40] <ali1234> it is expected that you just install it over android without wiping
[17:43] <daftykins> ah i was getting the idea of an inaccurate guide
[17:43] <ali1234> no the guide is accurate it just missed one crucial piece of information:
[17:43] <ali1234> ubuntu does not work like every android rom ever made. it requires the partitions to be formatted before you install it.
[17:44] <ali1234> and also it won't tell you what the problem is if they aren't
[17:44] <daftykins> funny, if i were changing ROM i'd format everything first
[17:44] <ali1234> i know right?
[17:45] <ali1234> well, formatting it is fine, erasing it is not
[17:45] <ali1234> but for example, flash-all.sh will just work no matter what state the device is it
[17:45] <ali1234> that's what the factory roms use
[17:57] <popey> ali1234: anyone can edit the wiki, it's not locked down, you just need to be in the right launchpad group - ~ubuntu-wiki-editors
[18:15] <daftykins> "diabetes pumps obey unencrypted radio commands" that seems like old news
[18:16] <zmoylan-pi> i did like when they installed a pacemaker in cheney they disabled the wireless link to prevent hackers...
[18:23] <daftykins> "replacement galaxy note 7 explodes during boarding of a southwest flight"
[18:23] <daftykins> oh samsung, you're in trouble now
[18:27] <zmoylan-pi> horribly unlucky for them
[19:48] <dogmatic69> Just found some files that are chgrouped to 'guest-xutdxq'
[19:48] <dogmatic69> any idea?
[19:49] <dogmatic69> google has 0 results for 'guest-xutdxq' search
[19:49] <ali1234> did you log in to the guest account?
[19:50] <daftykins> well the second portion definitely looks generated
[19:50] <ali1234> yeah
[19:50] <daftykins> so a google result would be quite improbable ;D
[19:50] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/337861/why-there-are-many-guest-accounts-on-my-system
[21:35]  * lopta slumps across his desk.