| pitti | Good morning | 04:38 |
|---|---|---|
| duflu | pitti: Morning. Do you sleep? :) | 04:44 |
| pitti | duflu: not enough :) | 04:45 |
| TheMuso | ?quit | 05:05 |
| hikiko | hello | 05:06 |
| duflu | Morning hikiko | 06:28 |
| duflu | Evening TheMuso? | 06:28 |
| * duflu wonders if there's a poem in that | 06:30 | |
| flexiondotorg | Morning | 07:50 |
| willcooke | morning | 07:59 |
| TheMuso | Hey folks. | 08:00 |
| willcooke | pitti, do you happen to know if anything changed in disk caching in the last few releases? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1208993 | 08:00 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1208993 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu slows down and hangs while copying file from/to USB" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 08:00 |
| TheMuso | USB 2 or 3? USB 2 can be CPU bound. | 08:01 |
| pitti | willcooke: that's more a kernel related question; I'm not aware of anything I'm afraid | 08:01 |
| Laney | what up | 08:02 |
| pitti | hey Laney! | 08:02 |
| hikiko | hello | 08:02 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:03 |
| willcooke | pitti, thx | 08:05 |
| flexiondotorg | Hello all | 08:07 |
| willcooke | chrisccoulson, yo! Thanks for cc'ing me on that bug. Sounds like a theme issue on our side. | 08:17 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: just the man, do you know what the plan is around power management? Currently if you login to unity8 it never locks the screen which might be a small security concern I think you have to enable repowerd or something right then unity7 loses all control iirc | 08:29 |
| willcooke | davmor2, dont know what the plan is, but not something for 16.10 | 08:45 |
| flexiondotorg | Sweet5hark1, You commented on #1624571 last night. | 08:46 |
| willcooke | davmor2, if you'd be as good to log a bug, I'll add it to my list | 08:46 |
| flexiondotorg | For the bot, I'm referring to LP: #1624571 | 08:47 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1624571 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "White lines visible around toolbars in LibreOffice when using GTK3 and a dark theme" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1624571 | 08:47 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: will do | 08:47 |
| flexiondotorg | Sweet5hark1, Your comment implied you're working on a fix for ubuntu-themes? | 08:47 |
| willcooke | davmor2, added it to the list for 17.04 | 08:48 |
| flexiondotorg | I'm just seeking a confirmation that your working on this to avoid me duplicating effort. | 08:48 |
| jbicha | flexiondotorg: it's already fixed for ubuntu-themes for 16.10 I beleive | 08:48 |
| flexiondotorg | Not here it isn't :-( | 08:49 |
| flexiondotorg | I'll double, double check now. | 08:50 |
| flexiondotorg | So with full updated 16.10 I see the white border around the toolbars in LibreOffice using Ambiance. | 08:51 |
| flexiondotorg | They are not as noticeable when compared to a dark theme, but they are there. | 08:52 |
| flexiondotorg | jbicha, But I see you've landed the updated arc-theme. | 08:52 |
| flexiondotorg | And I confirm it does resolve the issue. | 08:53 |
| flexiondotorg | jbicha, This commit I believe: https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme/commit/5b15bdc4425b6b3b8e374f76541f020419663edd | 08:53 |
| jbicha | my LO with Ambiance does not look like the screenshot posted on that bug | 08:53 |
| flexiondotorg | Sec... | 08:53 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8-desktop-session/+bug/1630902 | 08:54 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1630902 in unity8-desktop-session "No power management in unity8 so desktop session stay active" [Undecided,New] | 08:54 |
| Sweet5hark1 | flexiondotorg: well, on the libreoffice side, I added a new css class for libreoffice toolbars (and corresponding fixes on the theme side for the dark background toolbars). Might hope would be the border would only need a tweek on those new classes. | 08:54 |
| jbicha | the LO toolbars in Ambiance here match the light gray background color, not the dark gray header | 08:55 |
| Sweet5hark1 | flexiondotorg: But I still have more severe themeing issues to fix (white text in notebook tabs, which will hold back read work) | 08:55 |
| flexiondotorg | Sweet5hark1, Yep, I saw your new css class patch and incorporated in the ubuntu-mate-artwork. | 08:55 |
| davmor2 | willcooke, jibel: \o/ cdimage now has unity7 and unity8 on it | 08:57 |
| Sweet5hark1 | jbicha: as for upstreaming that: 1/ as said: needs to be fixed on master 2/ I dont know if adding "libreoffice-XZ" style classes left and right is the solution in the long run, so there might be some pushback from upstream (thus initially done as vendor patch). | 08:57 |
| jbicha | Sweet5hark1: could you open a bug to start that conversation? | 08:58 |
| jbicha | The arc theme developer said on that bug that it was basically impossible to handle theming LO without style classes | 09:00 |
| flexiondotorg | jbicha, There white borders around the LO toolbars a definitely there with 16.10 and Ambiance. | 09:01 |
| flexiondotorg | Sweet5hark1, I'll see if using the .primary-toolbar:not(.libreoffice-toolbar) trick the Arc used works for Ambiance. | 09:03 |
| Sweet5hark1 | jbicha: added to http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/esc for todays call | 09:06 |
| jbicha | flexiondotorg: http://pasteboard.co/bDobl58P0.png | 09:07 |
| jbicha | Sweet5hark1: thanks! | 09:07 |
| flexiondotorg | jbicha, Yes, and here's mine - http://imgur.com/a/qlrOr | 09:07 |
| flexiondotorg | Both exhibit the issue. | 09:08 |
| jbicha | yes I see the extra white border on the top | 09:09 |
| flexiondotorg | jbicha, :-) But, because the toolbat is generally a light gray in Ambiance. You don't see a white border all around the toolbar. | 09:11 |
| flexiondotorg | But in theme that do have dark toolbars you will. | 09:11 |
| davmor2 | Laney: the terminal fix seems to of worked it shows up today \o/ | 09:22 |
| Laney | praise be | 09:23 |
| jbicha | Laney: who should I ping to look at sponsoring bug 1629132 today? | 09:24 |
| ubot5 | bug 1629132 in network-manager-openvpn (Ubuntu) "Please merge network-manager-openvpn 1.2.6-2 from Debian (unstable) to Ubuntu (yakkety)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1629132 | 09:24 |
| Laney | pitti: When you're finished with your pingfest, want to look at https://paste.debian.net/857759 ? | 09:24 |
| Laney | jbicha: will look later | 09:27 |
| * Laney remembers patch pilots | 09:27 | |
| * Laney gets misty eyed | 09:27 | |
| pitti | Laney: uh, why isn't it needed any more.. ubuntu-session.target requires it?? | 09:29 |
| Laney | yeah....... | 09:29 |
| flexiondotorg | jbicha, I quick sed replace test has fixed the LO white boarder issue. | 09:29 |
| jbicha | flexiondotorg: great! | 09:30 |
| flexiondotorg | I just test for regressions and if it checks out I'll prepare a merge proposal. | 09:30 |
| * jbicha nominates flexiondotorg to be the new theme maintainer :) | 09:30 | |
| flexiondotorg | Noooooooo! | 09:30 |
| flexiondotorg | ;-) | 09:30 |
| Laney | pitti: Did it just get StopWhenUnneeded=yes recently? | 09:30 |
| flexiondotorg | I was testing 16.10 until 2am last night. | 09:30 |
| Laney | "how did this ever work?" :P | 09:30 |
| flexiondotorg | jbicha, I've also found some Firefox weirdness, GTK3+ related. | 09:31 |
| flexiondotorg | Working on fixes for that too. | 09:31 |
| pitti | Laney: not really, it had StopWhenUnneeded=yes since the first (and only) commit (https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/98d2d468 | 09:32 |
| pitti | Laney: what did change recently was that run-systemd-session does not explicitly start it any more, but that it is now a Requires= of ubuntu-session.target | 09:32 |
| pitti | but I don't see why it should then consider it unneeded | 09:32 |
| pitti | Laney: also, that would mean that session logout would kill X too early; that seemed to work in my tests | 09:33 |
| pitti | Laney: i. e. I added an ExecStartPost=/bin/sleep 5 to unity7.service and I saw that -pre was still running and stopping it waited for that time | 09:33 |
| * pitti upgrades his clean VM | 09:33 | |
| Laney | pitti: I thought we were using systemd-graphical-session.conf still | 09:34 |
| pitti | Laney: ah right, we are | 09:34 |
| pitti | Laney: I'll have a look in a few minutes when the VM finished upgrading (and I quickly need to hang up the laundry) | 09:35 |
| Laney | sure | 09:35 |
| pitti | Laney: is that current y? | 09:41 |
| pitti | graphical-session-pre.target loaded active active Session services which should run early before the graphical session is brought up | 09:41 |
| pitti | graphical-session.target loaded active active Current graphical user session | 09:41 |
| Laney | yeah, also seen in VM | 09:41 |
| pitti | andyrock: if I stop it, then the session goes away | 09:41 |
| pitti | which is correct, as it will stop ubuntu-session.target which will stop gnome-session.service, unity, etc. | 09:41 |
| pitti | andyrock: sorry, ping failure, I meant Laney | 09:42 |
| pitti | Laney: that's with upstart, I take it? (I just tested default install with upstart) | 09:42 |
| Laney | yeah | 09:43 |
| Laney | actually the target *is* active | 09:43 |
| pitti | Laney: oh -- was that maybe from the previous session then? | 09:43 |
| Laney | it's just that gnome-keyring-ssh is messed up somehow | 09:43 |
| Laney | and I see this stop thing, presumably from the --restart graphical-session-pre | 09:43 |
| pitti | we first stop the session and -pre to clean up obsolete units from the previous session | 09:43 |
| pitti | also works without upstart -- which is actually curious, how do I get indicators | 09:44 |
| pitti | ah, part of gnome-session.service, presumably dbus activation | 09:45 |
| Laney | urgh | 09:45 |
| pitti | Laney: ok, then let me take a step back -- what is the actual problem you are seeing? | 09:45 |
| * pitti back in default/with upstart VM now | 09:46 | |
| Laney | I think this is the ordering problem we know about | 09:46 |
| Laney | --restart graphical-sesion-pre -> starts, stops due to StopWhenUnneeded | 09:46 |
| Laney | --restart ubuntu-session -> starts graphical-session-pre, but things race | 09:46 |
| pitti | graphical-session-pre.target loaded active active Session services which should run early before the graphical session is brought up | 09:46 |
| pitti | graphical-session.target loaded active active Current graphical user session | 09:46 |
| Laney | because upstart lacks this generator thing | 09:46 |
| pitti | sorry | 09:46 |
| pitti | wrong paste -- gnome-keyring-ssh.service is active/exited | 09:47 |
| Laney | right, same - but it set the environment too late | 09:47 |
| Laney | so unity7 doesn't have it here | 09:47 |
| pitti | I have SSH_* in my shell and in compiz, but I suppose that's the race condition you mean | 09:48 |
| pitti | Laney: oh, you are saying we should first stop, cleanup, and then start (not restart), like in run-systemd-session | 09:49 |
| * pitti really just wants http://paste.ubuntu.com/23283834/ but that would make the upstart job depend on gnome-session | 09:49 | |
| pitti | Laney: so let me sync up the upstart job with run-systemd-session, and we both give it some testing in a VM? | 09:51 |
| Laney | pitti: meh, journal doesn't seem to show all messages for some reason - can't find "Starting Unity Shell v7", but https://paste.debian.net/857770 shows it | 09:53 |
| Laney | gnome-keyring-ssh starts after unity7 | 09:53 |
| Laney | I *think* syncing the two should sort it out | 09:55 |
| pitti | I think this works better now | 09:55 |
| pitti | Laney: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/systemd-graphical-session.conf | 09:56 |
| * Laney tries | 09:57 | |
| pitti | Laney: I tested with the ExecStopPost=sleep 5 and adding verbosity to the post-stop script, works fine | 09:58 |
| davmor2 | Laney, willcooke: oh that's odd, on kvm I started unity8 first it has no logout option on hardware I started unity7 first and in unity8 I do have the logout option I'm wondering if it is down to screen size I'll have a play with it and get back to you | 09:59 |
| Laney | pitti: confirmed - works fine here | 10:04 |
| Laney | there's no double-starting of graphical-session-pre any more, and the ordering looks right to me | 10:04 |
| pitti | Laney: cool, thanks | 10:04 |
| pitti | I didn't get the "not needed" any more either, and ssh started before unity | 10:04 |
| pitti | Laney: pinged xnox for updating upstart's bzr to reality, I'll give him 30 mins or so | 10:05 |
| pitti | (and then just grab diff from LP) | 10:05 |
| Laney | 'k | 10:05 |
| Laney | pitti: OOI, do you know why XDG_SESSION_ID is swallowed somewhere? | 10:06 |
| pitti | so, upload before lunch | 10:06 |
| Laney | I see gnome-session warning about that in journal | 10:06 |
| Laney | and indeed it's not in my session | 10:06 |
| Laney | gnome-keyring-daemon has it though | 10:06 |
| pitti | Laney: not swallowed, but it only applies to things that are run in the logind scope | 10:06 |
| pitti | Laney: pretty much every service (including gnome-terminal-server) isn't any more, it runs in the user dbus scope | 10:07 |
| pitti | i. e. an effect of session → user | 10:07 |
| Laney | hmm | 10:08 |
| Laney | and g-k-d is started by that pam thing so will have it | 10:08 |
| pitti | I don't like gnome-session-server running as a dbus service outside of the logind scope, TBH | 10:08 |
| pitti | I did some ramblings on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744736 but it didn't really get anywhere | 10:13 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 744736 in general "use systemd user scope units" [Enhancement,New] | 10:13 |
| Laney | nod | 10:19 |
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| flexiondotorg | Laney, I've prepared a merge proposal for ubuntu-themes to address a LibreOffice toolbar styling issue. | 11:37 |
| flexiondotorg | https://code.launchpad.net/~flexiondotorg/ubuntu-themes/lp1624571/+merge/307819 | 11:37 |
| flexiondotorg | Any additional groups I should subscribe? | 11:37 |
| Laney | flexiondotorg: No | 11:41 |
| Laney | But why not set the properties you want in apps/libreoffice.css? | 11:41 |
| Laney | .libreoffice-toolbar { border: none; } /* or whatever */ | 11:42 |
| flexiondotorg | Hmm, let me double check what I previously tested... | 11:42 |
| flexiondotorg | I was 1am this morning, but IIRC, .primary-toolbar was overriding. | 11:43 |
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| xnox | Sweet5hark1, what is TDF steering committee thing? Shall I attend those calls? Or will it be frowned upon? | 12:04 |
| xnox | I have an invintation as an SPI director, however canonical already has a seat there.... | 12:04 |
| * flexiondotorg goes to murder a salad | 12:21 | |
| pitti | that poor salad! | 12:23 |
| pitti | flexiondotorg: consider becoming a class-5 vegan :) (don't eat anything that throws a shadow) | 12:23 |
| sil2100 | Wait, what? | 12:33 |
| * sil2100 googles if there's something like that | 12:34 | |
| sil2100 | ;) | 12:35 |
| sil2100 | pitti: I wonder where level-5 vegans get their food from | 12:35 |
| ogra_ | mold | 12:36 |
| pitti | sil2100: I think roots are okay, they are underground in the dark :) | 12:36 |
| sil2100 | Etheric market maybe | 12:36 |
| sil2100 | As long as you eat them without any light, underground | 12:37 |
| pitti | or learn how to become autotrophic | 12:37 |
| sil2100 | ;p | 12:37 |
| ogra_ | lichen too | 12:37 |
| ogra_ | (at least the flat ones) | 12:38 |
| pitti | good point -- anything two-dimensional if you turn it the right way around | 12:40 |
| ogra_ | :) | 12:40 |
| pitti | like -- salad leaves! | 12:40 |
| pitti | flocculant: okay, you are officially blessed to have salaad | 12:41 |
| pitti | err, flexiondotorg ^ | 12:41 |
| * flexiondotorg returns from salad slaying | 13:08 | |
| Sweet5hark1 | xnox: you mean TDF Advisory board call on 20th(?) october? | 13:44 |
| flexiondotorg | willcooke, Is there a corresponding LP for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1306425 | 13:53 |
| ubot5 | Mozilla bug 1306425 in Graphics ""Tabs" in add-on preference dialogs don't render anymore, in Ubuntu 16.10" [Normal,New] | 13:53 |
| willcooke | flexiondotorg, not that I've seen. chrisccoulson might know ^ | 13:53 |
| chrisccoulson | I don't think there is | 13:56 |
| xnox | Sweet5hark1, yeah that | 14:00 |
| xnox | are you on it? | 14:00 |
| Sweet5hark1 | xnox: In general yes (on TDF side), as is willcooke (on Canonical side). This one happens in the mid of the sprint though :/ | 14:01 |
| flocculant | pitti: good - I hate salad or saalad not enough roast taters or meat in it | 14:01 |
| xnox | Sweet5hark1, so if i join that call as well, it will end up 3 canonical people. I don't think that's good =/ | 14:02 |
| xnox | may look like we are dominating the place. | 14:02 |
| flexiondotorg | Laney, I've tried several different ways to rid those board in the LO toolbar. | 15:29 |
| flexiondotorg | I've add a comment to the merge proposal in reply to your question. | 15:30 |
| flexiondotorg | If you've got any other ideas I'm happy to give them a whirl. | 15:30 |
| Laney | how do you actually see these almost invisible borders? | 15:31 |
| flexiondotorg | Well, in dark themed toolbars you just see them. | 15:32 |
| flexiondotorg | In Ambiance, using border: none; you see a white line encroaching into the window border. | 15:32 |
| flexiondotorg | With out border: none; the encroaching is more obvious. | 15:33 |
| flexiondotorg | This was posted by jbicha earlier - http://pasteboard.co/bDobl58P0.png | 15:33 |
| flexiondotorg | And here's mine - http://imgur.com/a/qlrOr | 15:34 |
| flexiondotorg | These are without the changes I'm proposing. | 15:34 |
| Laney | and I'm meant to see zero overlap with your branch? | 15:36 |
| flexiondotorg | Correct. | 15:38 |
| Laney | K, I understand | 15:41 |
| Laney | can you try: | 15:42 |
| Laney | .libreoffice-toolbar { background-image: none; border: none; box-shadow: none; | 15:42 |
| Laney | } | 15:42 |
| Laney | ? | 15:42 |
| Laney | (that had nice indentation before) | 15:42 |
| Laney | I don't know how to get a dark toolbar so not sure how to check that | 15:43 |
| Laney | but it seems to not overlap with those | 15:43 |
| flexiondotorg | OK | 15:47 |
| flexiondotorg | I'll give it a go. | 15:47 |
| Laney | nautilus makes me cry | 15:48 |
| blaroche | :w | 15:59 |
| Laney | my thoughts exactly | 16:02 |
| flexiondotorg | Laney, that works a treat for both light and dark toolbars. | 16:04 |
| blaroche | qtcreator likes to crash just before saving, vi weirdness i guess | 16:05 |
| Laney | flexiondotorg: neat | 16:06 |
| flexiondotorg | Just doing one last clean boot test. | 16:06 |
| flexiondotorg | If all good, I'll reject the first merge proposal and make a new one. | 16:07 |
| flexiondotorg | Thanks. | 16:07 |
| Laney | You can just push a new commit to the same branch | 16:07 |
| Laney | with or without --overwrite | 16:07 |
| flexiondotorg | So, something was caching. | 16:12 |
| flexiondotorg | Dark themes are not fixed by that, but light themes are. | 16:12 |
| flexiondotorg | So those whiote border a technically still there, but in Ambiance they are now "invisible" | 16:14 |
| Laney | Tell me how to get a dark theme | 16:14 |
| flexiondotorg | Install ubuntu-mate-themes on at 16.10 VM | 16:15 |
| flexiondotorg | Nuts, won't work. | 16:15 |
| flexiondotorg | So I'm using an Ubuntu MATE VM, so I can switch between Ambiance and Ambiant-MATE. | 16:16 |
| flexiondotorg | If you install ubuntu-mate-themes on Ubuntu proper you'll need to dconf the theme active. | 16:16 |
| Laney | Dunno, that theme's maintainers should probably debug it | 16:24 |
| flexiondotorg | For Ambiance I prefer your solution. | 16:25 |
| flexiondotorg | For Dark toolbar themes, such as Arc Dark and Ambiant-MATE, the more invaise exclusion technique works. | 16:26 |
| Laney | Other people can do whatever they want with themes they maintain | 16:27 |
| Laney | We're not fixing all of them | 16:27 |
| flexiondotorg | Indeed. | 16:34 |
| ayan | anyone know a way to get the steam client working under 16.10? | 16:37 |
| Laney | flexiondotorg: Take your proposed branch, and add "background-color: red;" to the first rule in libreoffice.css | 16:38 |
| Laney | http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/border.png | 16:39 |
| flexiondotorg | Hmmm. | 16:42 |
| Laney | Don't think we should care for 16.10 | 16:43 |
| Laney | libreoffice is obviously doing weird things; fixing it might require reading its code | 16:43 |
| flexiondotorg | So, push the simple fix for Ambiance to the merge proposal a bit later. | 16:43 |
| flexiondotorg | I need to pick up my daughter. | 16:44 |
| Laney | Sure, I'll sponsnor it tomorrow morning | 16:44 |
| flexiondotorg | OK | 16:44 |
| Laney | I guess it works for Radiance too | 16:44 |
| Laney | (but didn't try that) | 16:44 |
| flexiondotorg | I'm also working on simialr "stuff" with Firefox. | 16:44 |
| flexiondotorg | Yes, Radiance works. | 16:44 |
| Laney | Firefox tooltips look weird | 16:44 |
| * flexiondotorg makes a note of that | 16:44 | |
| Laney | well, not awful, but probably could be nicer | 16:45 |
| * Laney would prioritise the worst bugs at this point | 16:45 | |
| a1fa | andyrock: yellow :) | 16:51 |
| andyrock | hey | 16:52 |
| a1fa | how many beers do i need to buy to have you take a peak at : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1581912 | 16:52 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1581912 in unity (Ubuntu) "Specific NVIDIA driver settings in xorg.conf will cause issues with Unity Panel" [Undecided,New] | 16:52 |
| a1fa | ;) | 17:02 |
| Sweet5hark1 | jbicha: FYI http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-call-td4195983.html | 17:22 |
| Sweet5hark1 | jbicha: "gtk 3.22 claims long term stability" and "gtk3 libreoffice specific style classes" | 17:25 |
| jbicha | Sweet5hark1: thanks, I'm glad it's being worked on, I under LO is complicated and not a typical gtk app | 17:25 |
| Sweet5hark1 | jbicha: well, essentially it means "before gtk-3.22 you have to vendorpatch (both theme and LO)" .. | 17:30 |
| jbicha | GTK 3.22 is already in some distros and is pretty close to 3.20 in theming but ok | 17:31 |
| jbicha | for xenial backports, you'll probably just stick with gtk2 as long as you can, right? | 17:33 |
| a1fa | andyrock: no ammount of beer can help, eh? | 17:39 |
| andyrock | sorry i'll take a look later, i'm in the middle of something and I cannot stop | 17:40 |
| a1fa | ;) no problem. know the feeling. | 17:40 |
| andyrock | a1fa: why do you need a custom xorg.conf? | 18:01 |
| willcooke | dinner time, night all | 18:02 |
| a1fa | andyrock: i need it in order to accelerate nvidia card | 19:14 |
| a1fa | andyrock: there are some commands that dont work with that line | 19:14 |
| a1fa | andyrock: i need to be able to manually control clock speeds, and fan speeds | 19:14 |
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