[04:38] <pitti> Good morning
[04:44] <duflu> pitti: Morning. Do you sleep? :)
[04:45] <pitti> duflu: not enough :)
[05:05] <TheMuso> ?quit
[05:06] <hikiko> hello
[06:28] <duflu> Morning hikiko
[06:28] <duflu> Evening TheMuso?
[06:30]  * duflu wonders if there's a poem in that
[07:50] <flexiondotorg> Morning
[07:59] <willcooke> morning
[08:00] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[08:00] <willcooke> pitti, do you happen to know if anything changed in disk caching in the last few releases? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1208993
[08:01] <TheMuso> USB 2 or 3? USB 2 can be CPU bound.
[08:01] <pitti> willcooke: that's more a kernel related question; I'm not aware of anything I'm afraid
[08:02] <Laney> what up
[08:02] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:02] <hikiko> hello
[08:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:05] <willcooke> pitti, thx
[08:07] <flexiondotorg> Hello all
[08:17] <willcooke> chrisccoulson, yo!  Thanks for cc'ing me on that bug.  Sounds like a theme issue on our side.
[08:29] <davmor2> willcooke: just the man, do you know what the plan is around power management?  Currently if you login to unity8 it never locks the screen which might be a small security concern I think you have to enable repowerd or something right then unity7 loses all control iirc
[08:45] <willcooke> davmor2, dont know what the plan is, but not something for 16.10
[08:46] <flexiondotorg> Sweet5hark1, You commented on #1624571 last night.
[08:46] <willcooke> davmor2, if you'd be as good to log a bug, I'll add it to my list
[08:47] <flexiondotorg> For the bot, I'm referring to LP: #1624571
[08:47] <davmor2> willcooke: will do
[08:47] <flexiondotorg> Sweet5hark1, Your comment implied you're working on a fix for ubuntu-themes?
[08:48] <willcooke> davmor2, added it to the list for 17.04
[08:48] <flexiondotorg> I'm just seeking a confirmation that your working on this to avoid me duplicating effort.
[08:48] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: it's already fixed for ubuntu-themes for 16.10 I beleive
[08:49] <flexiondotorg> Not here it isn't :-(
[08:50] <flexiondotorg> I'll double, double check now.
[08:51] <flexiondotorg> So with full updated 16.10 I see the white border around the toolbars in LibreOffice using Ambiance.
[08:52] <flexiondotorg> They are not as noticeable when compared to a dark theme, but they are there.
[08:52] <flexiondotorg> jbicha, But I see you've landed the updated arc-theme.
[08:53] <flexiondotorg> And I confirm it does resolve the issue.
[08:53] <flexiondotorg> jbicha, This commit I believe: https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme/commit/5b15bdc4425b6b3b8e374f76541f020419663edd
[08:53] <jbicha> my LO with Ambiance does not look like the screenshot posted on that bug
[08:53] <flexiondotorg> Sec...
[08:54] <davmor2> willcooke: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8-desktop-session/+bug/1630902
[08:54] <Sweet5hark1> flexiondotorg: well, on the libreoffice side, I added a new css class for libreoffice toolbars (and corresponding fixes on the theme side for the dark background toolbars). Might hope would be the border would only need a tweek on those new classes.
[08:55] <jbicha> the LO toolbars in Ambiance here match the light gray background color, not the dark gray header
[08:55] <Sweet5hark1> flexiondotorg: But I still have more severe themeing issues to fix (white text in notebook tabs, which will hold back read work)
[08:55] <flexiondotorg> Sweet5hark1, Yep, I saw your new css class patch and incorporated in the ubuntu-mate-artwork.
[08:57] <davmor2> willcooke, jibel: \o/ cdimage now has unity7 and unity8 on it
[08:57] <Sweet5hark1> jbicha: as for upstreaming that: 1/ as said: needs to be fixed on master 2/ I dont know if adding "libreoffice-XZ" style classes left and right is the solution in the long run, so there might be some pushback from upstream (thus initially done as vendor patch).
[08:58] <jbicha> Sweet5hark1: could you open a bug to start that conversation?
[09:00] <jbicha> The arc theme developer said on that bug that it was basically impossible to handle theming LO without style classes
[09:01] <flexiondotorg> jbicha, There white borders around the LO toolbars a definitely there with 16.10 and Ambiance.
[09:03] <flexiondotorg> Sweet5hark1, I'll see if using the .primary-toolbar:not(.libreoffice-toolbar) trick the Arc used works for Ambiance.
[09:06] <Sweet5hark1> jbicha: added to http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/esc for todays call
[09:07] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: http://pasteboard.co/bDobl58P0.png
[09:07] <jbicha> Sweet5hark1: thanks!
[09:07] <flexiondotorg> jbicha, Yes, and here's mine - http://imgur.com/a/qlrOr
[09:08] <flexiondotorg> Both exhibit the issue.
[09:09] <jbicha> yes I see the extra white border on the top
[09:11] <flexiondotorg> jbicha, :-) But, because the toolbat is generally a light gray in Ambiance. You don't see a white border all around the toolbar.
[09:11] <flexiondotorg> But in theme that do have dark toolbars you will.
[09:22] <davmor2> Laney: the terminal fix seems to of worked it shows up today \o/
[09:23] <Laney> praise be
[09:24] <jbicha> Laney: who should I ping to look at sponsoring bug 1629132 today?
[09:24] <Laney> pitti: When you're finished with your pingfest, want to look at https://paste.debian.net/857759 ?
[09:27] <Laney> jbicha: will look later
[09:27]  * Laney remembers patch pilots
[09:27]  * Laney gets misty eyed
[09:29] <pitti> Laney: uh, why isn't it needed any more.. ubuntu-session.target requires it??
[09:29] <Laney> yeah.......
[09:29] <flexiondotorg> jbicha, I quick sed replace test has fixed the LO white boarder issue.
[09:30] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: great!
[09:30] <flexiondotorg> I just test for regressions and if it checks out I'll prepare a merge proposal.
[09:30]  * jbicha nominates flexiondotorg to be the new theme maintainer :)
[09:30] <flexiondotorg> Noooooooo!
[09:30] <flexiondotorg> ;-)
[09:30] <Laney> pitti: Did it just get StopWhenUnneeded=yes recently?
[09:30] <flexiondotorg> I was testing 16.10 until 2am last night.
[09:30] <Laney> "how did this ever work?" :P
[09:31] <flexiondotorg> jbicha, I've also found some Firefox weirdness, GTK3+ related.
[09:31] <flexiondotorg> Working on fixes for that too.
[09:32] <pitti> Laney: not really, it had StopWhenUnneeded=yes since the first (and only) commit (https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/98d2d468
[09:32] <pitti> Laney: what did change recently was that run-systemd-session does not explicitly start it any more, but that it is now a Requires= of ubuntu-session.target
[09:32] <pitti> but I don't see why it should then consider it unneeded
[09:33] <pitti> Laney: also, that would mean that session logout would kill X too early; that seemed to work in my tests
[09:33] <pitti> Laney: i. e. I added an ExecStartPost=/bin/sleep 5 to unity7.service and I saw that -pre was still running and stopping it waited for that time
[09:33]  * pitti upgrades his clean VM
[09:34] <Laney> pitti: I thought we were using systemd-graphical-session.conf still
[09:34] <pitti> Laney: ah right, we are
[09:35] <pitti> Laney: I'll have a look in a few minutes when the VM finished upgrading (and I quickly need to hang up the laundry)
[09:35] <Laney> sure
[09:41] <pitti> Laney: is that current y?
[09:41] <pitti> graphical-session-pre.target loaded active active Session services which should run early before the graphical session is brought up
[09:41] <pitti> graphical-session.target     loaded active active Current graphical user session
[09:41] <Laney> yeah, also seen in VM
[09:41] <pitti> andyrock: if I stop it, then the session goes away
[09:41] <pitti> which is correct, as it will stop ubuntu-session.target which will stop gnome-session.service, unity, etc.
[09:42] <pitti> andyrock: sorry, ping failure, I meant Laney
[09:42] <pitti> Laney: that's with upstart, I take it? (I just tested default install with upstart)
[09:43] <Laney> yeah
[09:43] <Laney> actually the target *is* active
[09:43] <pitti> Laney: oh -- was that maybe from the previous session then?
[09:43] <Laney> it's just that gnome-keyring-ssh is messed up somehow
[09:43] <Laney> and I see this stop thing, presumably from the --restart graphical-session-pre
[09:43] <pitti> we first stop the session and -pre to clean up obsolete units from the previous session
[09:44] <pitti> also works without upstart -- which is actually curious, how  do I get indicators
[09:45] <pitti> ah, part of gnome-session.service, presumably dbus activation
[09:45] <Laney> urgh
[09:45] <pitti> Laney: ok, then let me take a step back -- what is the actual problem you are seeing?
[09:46]  * pitti back in default/with upstart VM now
[09:46] <Laney> I think this is the ordering problem we know about
[09:46] <Laney> --restart graphical-sesion-pre -> starts, stops due to StopWhenUnneeded
[09:46] <Laney> --restart ubuntu-session -> starts graphical-session-pre, but things race
[09:46] <pitti> graphical-session-pre.target loaded active active Session services which should run early before the graphical session is brought up
[09:46] <pitti> graphical-session.target     loaded active active Current graphical user session
[09:46] <Laney> because upstart lacks this generator thing
[09:46] <pitti> sorry
[09:47] <pitti> wrong paste -- gnome-keyring-ssh.service is active/exited
[09:47] <Laney> right, same - but it set the environment too late
[09:47] <Laney> so unity7 doesn't have it here
[09:48] <pitti> I have SSH_* in my shell and in compiz, but I suppose that's the race condition you mean
[09:49] <pitti> Laney: oh, you are saying we should first stop, cleanup, and then start (not restart), like in run-systemd-session
[09:49]  * pitti really just wants http://paste.ubuntu.com/23283834/ but that would make the upstart job depend on gnome-session
[09:51] <pitti> Laney: so let me sync up the upstart job with run-systemd-session, and we both give it some testing in a VM?
[09:53] <Laney> pitti: meh, journal doesn't seem to show all messages for some reason - can't find "Starting Unity Shell v7", but https://paste.debian.net/857770 shows it
[09:53] <Laney> gnome-keyring-ssh starts after unity7
[09:55] <Laney> I *think* syncing the two should sort it out
[09:55] <pitti> I think this works better now
[09:56] <pitti> Laney: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/systemd-graphical-session.conf
[09:57]  * Laney tries
[09:58] <pitti> Laney: I tested with the ExecStopPost=sleep 5 and adding verbosity to the post-stop script, works fine
[09:59] <davmor2> Laney, willcooke: oh that's odd, on kvm I started unity8 first it has no logout option on hardware I started unity7 first and  in unity8 I do have the logout option I'm wondering if it is down to screen size I'll have a play with it and get back to you
[10:04] <Laney> pitti: confirmed - works fine here
[10:04] <Laney> there's no double-starting of graphical-session-pre any more, and the ordering looks right to me
[10:04] <pitti> Laney: cool, thanks
[10:04] <pitti> I didn't get the "not needed" any more either, and ssh started before unity
[10:05] <pitti> Laney: pinged xnox for updating upstart's bzr to reality, I'll give him 30 mins or so
[10:05] <pitti> (and then just grab diff from LP)
[10:05] <Laney> 'k
[10:06] <Laney> pitti: OOI, do you know why XDG_SESSION_ID is swallowed somewhere?
[10:06] <pitti> so, upload before lunch
[10:06] <Laney> I see gnome-session warning about that in journal
[10:06] <Laney> and indeed it's not in my session
[10:06] <Laney> gnome-keyring-daemon has it though
[10:06] <pitti> Laney: not swallowed, but it only applies to things that are run in the logind scope
[10:07] <pitti> Laney: pretty much every service (including gnome-terminal-server) isn't any more, it runs in the user dbus scope
[10:07] <pitti> i. e. an effect of session → user
[10:08] <Laney> hmm
[10:08] <Laney> and g-k-d is started by that pam thing so will have it
[10:08] <pitti> I don't like gnome-session-server running as a dbus service outside of the logind scope, TBH
[10:13] <pitti> I did some ramblings on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744736 but it didn't really get anywhere
[10:19] <Laney> nod
[11:37] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I've prepared a merge proposal for ubuntu-themes to address a LibreOffice toolbar styling issue.
[11:37] <flexiondotorg> https://code.launchpad.net/~flexiondotorg/ubuntu-themes/lp1624571/+merge/307819
[11:37] <flexiondotorg> Any additional groups I should subscribe?
[11:41] <Laney> flexiondotorg: No
[11:41] <Laney> But why not set the properties you want in apps/libreoffice.css?
[11:42] <Laney> .libreoffice-toolbar { border: none; } /* or whatever */
[11:42] <flexiondotorg> Hmm, let me double check what I previously tested...
[11:43] <flexiondotorg> I was 1am this morning, but IIRC, .primary-toolbar was overriding.
[12:04] <xnox> Sweet5hark1, what is TDF steering committee thing? Shall I attend those calls? Or will it be frowned upon?
[12:04] <xnox> I have an invintation as an SPI director, however canonical already has a seat there....
[12:21]  * flexiondotorg goes to murder a salad
[12:23] <pitti> that poor salad!
[12:23] <pitti> flexiondotorg: consider becoming a class-5 vegan :) (don't eat anything that throws a shadow)
[12:33] <sil2100> Wait, what?
[12:34]  * sil2100 googles if there's something like that
[12:35] <sil2100> ;)
[12:35] <sil2100> pitti: I wonder where level-5 vegans get their food from
[12:36] <ogra_> mold
[12:36] <pitti> sil2100: I think roots are okay, they are underground in the dark :)
[12:36] <sil2100> Etheric market maybe
[12:37] <sil2100> As long as you eat them without any light, underground
[12:37] <pitti> or learn how to become autotrophic
[12:37] <sil2100> ;p
[12:37] <ogra_> lichen too
[12:38] <ogra_> (at least the flat ones)
[12:40] <pitti> good point -- anything two-dimensional if you turn it the right way around
[12:40] <ogra_> :)
[12:40] <pitti> like -- salad leaves!
[12:41] <pitti> flocculant: okay, you are officially blessed to have salaad
[12:41] <pitti> err, flexiondotorg ^
[13:08]  * flexiondotorg returns from salad slaying
[13:44] <Sweet5hark1> xnox: you mean TDF Advisory board call on 20th(?) october?
[13:53] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, Is there a corresponding LP for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1306425
[13:53] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, not that I've seen. chrisccoulson might know ^
[13:56] <chrisccoulson> I don't think there is
[14:00] <xnox> Sweet5hark1, yeah that
[14:00] <xnox> are you on it?
[14:01] <Sweet5hark1> xnox: In general yes (on TDF side), as is willcooke (on Canonical side). This one happens in the mid of the sprint though :/
[14:01] <flocculant> pitti: good - I hate salad or saalad not enough roast taters or meat in it
[14:02] <xnox> Sweet5hark1, so if i join that call as well, it will end up 3 canonical people. I don't think that's good =/
[14:02] <xnox> may look like we are dominating the place.
[15:29] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I've tried several different ways to rid those board in the LO toolbar.
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> I've add a comment to the merge proposal in reply to your question.
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> If you've got any other ideas I'm happy to give them a whirl.
[15:31] <Laney> how do you actually see these almost invisible borders?
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> Well, in dark themed toolbars you just see them.
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> In Ambiance, using border: none; you see a white line encroaching into the window border.
[15:33] <flexiondotorg> With out border: none; the encroaching is more obvious.
[15:33] <flexiondotorg> This was posted by jbicha earlier - http://pasteboard.co/bDobl58P0.png
[15:34] <flexiondotorg> And here's mine - http://imgur.com/a/qlrOr
[15:34] <flexiondotorg> These are without the changes I'm proposing.
[15:36] <Laney> and I'm meant to see zero overlap with your branch?
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> Correct.
[15:41] <Laney> K, I understand
[15:42] <Laney> can you try:
[15:42] <Laney> .libreoffice-toolbar { background-image: none; border: none; box-shadow: none;
[15:42] <Laney> }
[15:42] <Laney> ?
[15:42] <Laney> (that had nice indentation before)
[15:43] <Laney> I don't know how to get a dark toolbar so not sure how to check that
[15:43] <Laney> but it seems to not overlap with those
[15:47] <flexiondotorg> OK
[15:47] <flexiondotorg> I'll give it a go.
[15:48] <Laney> nautilus makes me cry
[15:59] <blaroche> :w
[16:02] <Laney> my thoughts exactly
[16:04] <flexiondotorg> Laney, that works a treat for both light and dark toolbars.
[16:05] <blaroche> qtcreator likes to crash just before saving, vi weirdness i guess
[16:06] <Laney> flexiondotorg: neat
[16:06] <flexiondotorg> Just doing one last clean boot test.
[16:07] <flexiondotorg> If all good, I'll reject the first merge proposal and make a new one.
[16:07] <flexiondotorg> Thanks.
[16:07] <Laney> You can just push a new commit to the same branch
[16:07] <Laney> with or without --overwrite
[16:12] <flexiondotorg> So, something was caching.
[16:12] <flexiondotorg> Dark themes are not fixed by that, but light themes are.
[16:14] <flexiondotorg> So those whiote border a technically still there, but in Ambiance they are now "invisible"
[16:14] <Laney> Tell me how to get a dark theme
[16:15] <flexiondotorg> Install ubuntu-mate-themes on at 16.10 VM
[16:15] <flexiondotorg> Nuts, won't work.
[16:16] <flexiondotorg> So I'm using an Ubuntu MATE VM, so I can switch between Ambiance and Ambiant-MATE.
[16:16] <flexiondotorg> If you install ubuntu-mate-themes on Ubuntu proper you'll need to dconf the theme active.
[16:24] <Laney> Dunno, that theme's maintainers should probably debug it
[16:25] <flexiondotorg> For Ambiance I prefer your solution.
[16:26] <flexiondotorg> For Dark toolbar themes, such as Arc Dark and Ambiant-MATE, the more invaise exclusion technique works.
[16:27] <Laney> Other people can do whatever they want with themes they maintain
[16:27] <Laney> We're not fixing all of them
[16:34] <flexiondotorg> Indeed.
[16:37] <ayan> anyone know a way to get the steam client working under 16.10?
[16:38] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Take your proposed branch, and add "background-color: red;" to the first rule in libreoffice.css
[16:39] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/border.png
[16:42] <flexiondotorg> Hmmm.
[16:43] <Laney> Don't think we should care for 16.10
[16:43] <Laney> libreoffice is obviously doing weird things; fixing it might require reading its code
[16:43] <flexiondotorg> So, push the simple fix for Ambiance to the merge proposal a bit later.
[16:44] <flexiondotorg> I need to pick up my daughter.
[16:44] <Laney> Sure, I'll sponsnor it tomorrow morning
[16:44] <flexiondotorg> OK
[16:44] <Laney> I guess it works for Radiance too
[16:44] <Laney> (but didn't try that)
[16:44] <flexiondotorg> I'm also working on simialr "stuff" with Firefox.
[16:44] <flexiondotorg> Yes, Radiance works.
[16:44] <Laney> Firefox tooltips look weird
[16:44]  * flexiondotorg makes a note of that
[16:45] <Laney> well, not awful, but probably could be nicer
[16:45]  * Laney would prioritise the worst bugs at this point
[16:51] <a1fa> andyrock: yellow :)
[16:52] <andyrock> hey
[16:52] <a1fa> how many beers do i need to buy to have you take a peak at : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1581912
[17:02] <a1fa> ;)
[17:22] <Sweet5hark1> jbicha: FYI http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-call-td4195983.html
[17:25] <Sweet5hark1> jbicha:  "gtk 3.22 claims long term stability" and "gtk3 libreoffice specific style classes"
[17:25] <jbicha> Sweet5hark1: thanks, I'm glad it's being worked on, I under LO is complicated and not a typical gtk app
[17:30] <Sweet5hark1> jbicha: well, essentially it means "before gtk-3.22 you have to vendorpatch (both theme and LO)" ..
[17:31] <jbicha> GTK 3.22 is already in some distros and is pretty close to 3.20 in theming but ok
[17:33] <jbicha> for xenial backports, you'll probably just stick with gtk2 as long as you can, right?
[17:39] <a1fa> andyrock: no ammount of beer can help, eh?
[17:40] <andyrock> sorry i'll take a look later, i'm in the middle of something and I cannot stop
[17:40] <a1fa> ;) no problem. know the feeling.
[18:01] <andyrock> a1fa: why do you need a custom xorg.conf?
[18:02] <willcooke> dinner time, night all
[19:14] <a1fa> andyrock: i need it in order to accelerate nvidia card
[19:14] <a1fa> andyrock: there are some commands that dont work with that line
[19:14] <a1fa> andyrock: i need to be able to manually control clock speeds, and fan speeds