[03:17] <duflu> Did Google just skin their own phone to not look like stock Android?
[03:17] <duflu> Is there such thing as stock any more?
[07:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[08:04] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: why do you say it's a different oxide version?
[08:05] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, I did a side-by-side diff of the two dumps, and the command-line of the oxide process is different enough that I’m pretty sure you have 1.16 on one side, and 1.17 on the other side
[08:05] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, that’s on desktop and on a touch device, right?
[08:05] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: no, both are on my laptop
[08:05] <oSoMoN> huh, weird
[08:07] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: now i one start from the command line and other from the apps scope
[08:07] <tsdgeos> maybe i have two installed and i'm actually starting two different ones by doing that?
[08:07] <oSoMoN> it could be, or it could simply be that the one you started from the command line is running unconfined
[08:08] <oSoMoN> that would explain the difference I’m seeing
[08:09] <tsdgeos> it's the same binary for both
[08:09] <tsdgeos> /usr/bin/webbrowser-app
[08:10] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, ignore my comment then (or even better, comment back to explain the difference in launching the app)
[08:40] <matv1> gd morning. Got a question about video playback. About orientation actualy
[08:42] <matv1> I noticed that when playing back a vid shot with a ut device, the playback orientation is rotated on other OS´s where it remains correct on UT and Udesktop
[08:43] <matv1> my question: isnt there a generic way to set orientation for a vid?
[10:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[10:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, ping
[10:06] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: hello
[10:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, hold on a sec
[10:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, ok
[10:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, think you might be able  to help me with something,
[10:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> should be quite basic
[10:13] <jgdx> SebthreeBQM10HD, just ask! :)
[10:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> just want someone to check that, going to buy the right stuff
[10:14] <jgdx> I'm on the edge of my seat here
[10:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> jgdx, or you possibly then
[10:14] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: just ask already
[10:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> right so I crowd funded the nexdock nice http://nexdock.com
[10:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> however
[10:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> before I can connect Android devices to it and what not, and I guess ubuntu as well then etc
[10:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> got to buy certain adapters connects for it and uh
[10:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> connecters
[10:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for mhl and all that
[10:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so going by the page for android I assume that's all I would need for an ubuntu tablet to,  the bq hd
[10:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> take a look at this:
[10:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> http://nexdock.com/support-android/
[10:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so I guess if I buy everything it mentions there,  I should be able to connect wirelessly  and  hdmi.   I assume similar things would be needed for other devices as well such as the Rasspberry pi
[10:18] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: what device are you connecting to it
[10:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, at the moment by default can't really use it for anything since don't have the right adapaters etc it seems. only thing can use it for really right now is an exra screen for a lap top running  Windows 10
[10:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> sadly doesn't work with the remix minis  because that doens't support the resolution it runs hmm
[10:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, I  think with the right connecters addapters, I should be able to use the BQ M10 HD with it
[10:20] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: the include lead should be able to plug into the tablet
[10:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the hdmi cable I Got sent with it was uh,  it didn't connet properly to things etc
[10:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's upstairs now, but  it had like the wrong end  for a lot of devices etc
[10:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, I want to do convergence on the nex dock,  there was a old video on omgubuntu I think even for that, and yes the white hd version not black fhd
[10:22] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: it is mini hdmi the same as the port on the tablet, on the tablet you have hdmi out and usb out you need to plug it hdmi one not the usb one
[10:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> only device I could successfully connenct with what was sent to me,  was the remix minis
[10:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and also my lap top
[10:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with the tablet I had no suck luck with the cable that was sent to me,  it was like I had the wrong end etc
[10:24] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: but to be honest you are possibly better off getting the wireless dongle then you can connect it to the doc tv's and so on
[10:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, well  indeed, I was going to buy the wireless adapater anyway so
[10:24]  * SebthreeBQM10HD has money to do that kind of  thing now, perfect !
[10:24] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: you'd also be able to connect android and MS devices too
[10:24] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: you could buy a wireless screen adapter. I use the MICROSOFT Wireless Display Adapter V2  with my Pro5 to cast the phone screen to my TV.
[10:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, yep bingo going to buy that  or the v 1,  may buy both versions :d
[10:25] <torusJKL> It should be possible to connect it to the nexdock.
[10:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I Know that's a bit silly really but
[10:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, yeah or a projecter at an event that been organsing that's coming up on the 22nd Otober possibly I Guess?
[10:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> if I have stuff before not this weekend, but next weekend, can test properly at the venue hopefully
[10:26] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: if it has HDMI in and you have a usb power source than yes, it will work.
[10:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> may just be using the projecter for Creative Commons stuff etc, but anyway
[10:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I plan to bring then nex dock along,  if I got the right stuff for i
[10:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so can connect and show various devices conneced to it and working
[10:27] <torusJKL> I don't know if every device supports this. I have it working on OTA-13 with the Meizu Pro5.
[10:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, a usb power source ?
[10:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nexdock has some kind of built in battery  , but that's about it I think
[10:27] <torusJKL> The display adapter needs a power source.
[10:27] <matv1> torusJKL you have no issues running the Version2 wireless adapter from microsoft? there has been no word that that was officially supported. a month or 2 ago I was advised to still go fr the V1
[10:27] <torusJKL> It will not power from the HDMI.
[10:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok so  may need to buy a seperate power source for it then, like you seem to be saying, a usb one  or something ?
[10:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, indeed  davmor2 suggested the v 1 to me before even irather  than v2
[10:29] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: popey uses the microsoft product too. Maybe he uses V1 and can confirm that it works.
[10:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, my question is basically,  what am going to be buying exactly
[10:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> let's buy it!
[10:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> today!
[10:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> done :P)
[10:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> done :)
[10:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not p
[10:30] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: can't tell you why V1 over V2. V2 works for me. But I think I had to upgrade the firmware first using Windows.
[10:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> problem with stuff like this, can buy one thing, and then ah don't have something for i and uh
[10:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, I may just buy v1 and v2,  so that's not too much of an issue then :d
[10:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> howevr if I need power sources for them hmm
[10:31] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: The nexdock provides you with an USB port right next to the HDMI.
[10:31] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: I think you can use either the issue was the new one had only just come out so wasn't test I think people have used it now
[10:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, yeah it's like a lap top, so it has usb ports I think,  I was just thinking that,  it's upstairs right now though
[10:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, well like a lap top, but without a har disk etc, oh and that's a blueetooth keyboard
[10:32] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: looks like a very nice product.
[10:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, yes it will be, once I got the right additional things for it, so can acstaully start doing the kind of things want to do with it
[10:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok fine I can use  it as an additional screen for a Windows 10 lap top, but I want to do more than that
[10:33] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: let me know how it works for you.
[10:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, do I need a sperate power port?
[10:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, also what if I want to use a wireless display adapater with a projecter, then I need one?
[10:34] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: Yes, any smartphone usb charger should do. But you might need a USB extension cable because the USB cable on the display adapter is rather short.
[10:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, what to buy ?
[10:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, ok links for those ?
[10:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> on amazon.co.uk
[10:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ideally
[10:35] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: either of the MS wireless dongles should be fine
[10:35] <matv1> you might look at: http://phys.org/news/2008-11-mini-nuclear-power-homes.html
[10:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> got a amazon link ?
[10:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> .co.uk
[10:35] <matv1> allthough Ia am not sure it has the right connector :)
[10:37] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: just look up Microsoft Wireless Display Adapter on amazon
[10:37] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: 2 meter extension cable: https://www.amazon.co.uk/AmazonBasics--Male--Female-Extension-Cable/dp/B00NH136GE/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1475750195&sr=1-4&keywords=usb+extension+cable
[10:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, right but may need a usb charger
[10:38] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: if the dock has usb you can just plug it in
[10:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not for a projecter
[10:38] <torusJKL> Display adapter: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Wireless-Display-v2-Adapter/dp/B01C9YTI9S/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1475750263&sr=1-1&keywords=microsoft+wireless+display+adapter+v2
[10:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> may want to use with a projecter at an event to
[10:39] <torusJKL> USB charger: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Certificated-2000mAh-Universal-Motorola-BlackBerry/dp/B00KXVT9GM/ref=sr_1_8?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1475750324&sr=1-8&keywords=usb+charger
[10:39] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: the aboce are all suggestions. You might find a cheaper or better product.
[10:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> can't click links on tablets  so will have to type things in or get from log a bit later
[10:40] <torusJKL> But if you have all 3 you are good to go.
[10:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but that one said blackberry that going to work ?
[10:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, price uhmm  I don't care to much for htis
[10:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I understand may get a hepaer one if looking around more
[10:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> cheaper
[10:41] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: electricity does not care about your phone. :-)
[10:41] <matv1> Actually, I am really missing audio over hdmi now. When connected to a TV screen for instance.
[10:41] <matv1> I havn't heard that being worked on. Does anyone know ?
[10:42] <torusJKL> matv1: never tried audio.
[10:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, devies need power to work, if  that's what you meant yes
[10:43] <matv1> torusJKL it is not supported right now so it doesnt work. audio will only come from your phone/tablet speakers even if hdmi or wireless connected to a screen with speakers
[10:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, davmor2  it's apparantly cooler doing it the wireless display adapater way :), but if I could be set up properly the hdmi way as well, that would be something
[10:45] <matv1> davmor2 do you know if audio over hdmi is wip or even planned ?
[10:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1,  when the display adapaer is used
[10:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> does it turn off the sreen or kind of thing
[10:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> on the device
[10:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or you get two screens to properly use ?
[10:47] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD the device screen goes black and can only be used as mouse input device
[10:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, oh I undersand now it said blackberry, but it shoudn't matter since it's for power
[10:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, yeah I think I saw that in a video, well that's a bit suckky reallly, since don't have two sreens to powerly use
[10:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but with hdmi would it be like that as well ?
[10:48] <davmor2> matv1: I think it is on the long term plans but not in the current queue
[10:48] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD yes. definitely
[10:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, so hdmi it goes black to?
[10:48] <matv1> davmor2 right oh
[10:48] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: not every device support MHL. The Pro5 for example does not.
[10:49] <torusJKL> So it is not possible to connect it directly to the HDMI.
[10:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, MHL for the wireles display adapter ?
[10:49] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: no, if you want a cable from the phone directly into the HDMI in.
[10:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, oh the MHL is for the HDMI right ok
[10:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, does thsi one support that? the BQ M10 HD  Ubuntu
[10:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not the FHD
[10:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the white HD version
[10:50] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD indeed like torusJKL said. be ware. AFAIK the only device on which MHL works is the Nexus phone
[10:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not the black FHD
[10:50] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: the m10 has a separate hdmi out no need for mhl
[10:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, what do I need to do  to use the  m10  hd  with hdmi ?
[10:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> also whilst we are at it I should chekc maybe what rassbery pi would need for nex dock
[10:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and I assume wit the right stuff again, which is probably just the same for what we been talking about, since  the os is android basd anhway but... oh acstaully the resolution thing hmm  so the remix os ultra tablet may not work
[10:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with the nex dock as well, not just the minis
[10:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> remix minis
[10:53] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: according to the product page the M10 has a Micro-HDMI out. So you would need an adapter to regular HDMI.
[10:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, there are two ersions of the m10.  so the hd one is like that as well ?
[10:53] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: I think it might be a micro hdmi lead check the stats on the bq website it should tell you
[10:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> versions above
[10:54] <torusJKL> This one? https://store.bq.com/en/aquaris-m10-hd-ubuntu-edition-blanco
[10:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, the whie one yes, can't click links in libertine
[10:54]  * SebthreeBQM10HD thinks it will be great when links are clickable 
[10:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the white is the hd version, which I am using now
[10:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and the black is the full hd
[10:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, so I wan to use the tablet assuming it will work :) wit the display adapater, but also possibly at times with hdmi, and so that's with hte nexdock really.  however I  have also been organising an event and on october 22nd we have a venue with a projecter, might use that with it to for something,  or something else  but either way a display adapater should also work with a projecter ?
[11:00] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: yes it will work if the projector has HDMI in.
[11:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, diplay  adpater wise,buy what youput above basically right
[11:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but for hdmi wha to buy ?
[11:03] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: short adapter cable: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Micro-Female-Adapter-Straight-Gold-Plated/dp/B00F44EZM6/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1475751749&sr=8-14&keywords=micro-hdmi+adapter
[11:03] <torusJKL> Then use any regular HDMI cable to extend the range.
[11:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, wel they sent a reguar hdmi cable wih the nex dock Ithink, and a hdmi to hdmi adapater as well which confussed me
[11:05] <torusJKL> This product looks better: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00B2HOS08/ref=pd_sim_107_9?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=4R3G08DKR52H8D0HCN36
[11:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what is a hdmi to hdmi adapter used for
[11:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it has the same connecter
[11:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not sure what that product is, I'll come back for the links in the log of the channel later
[11:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since on tablet and can't click
[11:06]  * SebthreeBQM10HD and hasn't updated to ota 13 just yet, or could have copied and pasted actually 
[11:06] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: what do you mean with the second cable. is it male to male or female to female?
[11:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I  don't know
[11:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I don't really know much abou hdmi cab les and such
[11:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, I think itwas just a sandard hdmi cable they sen
[11:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> t
[11:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and some sort of a adapater as well
[11:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hdmi to hdmi adapatre, both ends were the same
[11:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and a small little thing
[11:10] <torusJKL> SebthreeBQM10HD: Sorry that is not enough information for me to make an educated guess.
[11:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, they sent a cable with a confussing adapater
[11:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a hdmi cable
[11:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, to be honest I would be happy to just buy another hdmi cable as well,
[11:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the right kind etc
[11:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> all ok
[11:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> doesn't hurt having afew or so hdmi cables as well
[11:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, just link to like everything I am meant to buy, and thanks, and I can buy today and :)
[11:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and hopefully stuff work how it's mean to once got the things a well
[11:15] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD no not a regular hdmi cable. according to your nextdock link, they include a HDMI to Mini HDMI cable. So that means that your nextdock has a mini HDMI input
[11:16] <matv1> so all you would need is something like this https://www.amazon.com/Insten-HDMI-Micro-Adapter/dp/B0046S54GC
[11:17] <matv1> because the M10 has a micro hdmi port
[11:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, yeah I think that was the issue
[11:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I didn't seem to have a micro  hdmi  thing on the cable
[11:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I coudn't connect to the small what seemed to be micro hdmi port
[11:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with what they sent me etc
[11:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, could you do a .co.uk link on amazon for that
[11:18]  * SebthreeBQM10HD will buy from amaon .co.uk a bit later so
[11:21] <matv1> sure. that would be: https://www.amazon.co.uk/HDMI-Female-Micro-Type-Adapter/dp/B0046S54GC/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1475752780&sr=1-2&keywords=micro+hdmi+adapter+male
[11:21] <matv1> or
[11:21] <matv1> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Micro-Female-Adapter-Straight-Gold-Plated/dp/B00F44EZM6/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1475752780&sr=1-6&keywords=micro+hdmi+adapter+male
[11:23] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD save yourself some money for the next Ubuntu phone :)
[11:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, so with all tha should be able to use it, with the tablet, using wireless display adpater or hdmi ?
[11:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, also with all that should be able to use it with a rassbery pi even?  http://nexdock.com/support-raspbery-pi/
[11:30] <torusJKL> Here are all the cables provided by nex: https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1463848041/wsirnmbofciqljy5sdwa.jpg
[11:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, can't see right now sinc what I put earlier, but right
[11:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> torusJKL, however if I am linked to the right stuff as we were doing, I can just buy later :d, and thanks a lot for your help
[11:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as for money!
[11:32] <matv1> what I said is restricted to hdmi. Your wireless display adapter has a full sized hdmi out. to connect that to your nextdock you will need:
[11:32] <matv1> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Afunta-Female-Converter-Adapter-Cable/dp/B00ODTCDJK/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1475753514&sr=1-6&keywords=mini+hdmi+adapter+male
[11:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah I had a look before, things may get a bit pricy, but I waited for a late enough time to have money to buy things, and that time is now
[11:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, what would the hdmi out be used for?
[11:36] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD you would plug that adapter onto the big end of the wireless diplay thing and the small end into the mini hdmi port on your nextdock. Then youd be ready to go
[11:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, I might have to find you again or omeone else if not, when I got all thse cables and what not
[11:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> might be abit confufssing or at first I guess :d
[11:38] <matv1> sure np. I am here a lot :)
[11:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, now then, anything else I am meant to get for that thing, so I wan to be able to run the tablet with it yes,  hdmi and wireless display adapater,  but also possibly later on a rassbery pi
[11:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for exmple
[11:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes i says on the page that need a mouse for that, but right yeah ok  no problem.  may buy another o2g adpaater acstaully since not suer whre mine is right now, or the lovely mouse, upstairs some where in the mess hmm
[11:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, but yes I baically today  or tommorow if well I got things to do in a bit ec so
[11:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yes soon.  I want to order like everything I would need for the nexdock
[11:40] <matv1> all you really need are the cable they gave you, a wireless display adapter, and the to adapters (mini and micro) and you be set up for everything you need.
[11:40] <matv1> two*
[11:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, yeah the adhmi stuff is optional
[11:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since should be able to do it the wireless display way
[11:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but depending on cost etc, may buy hdmi stuff soon as well
[11:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, what's needed for the rassbyer pi though, that's differnet, other htan the mouse
[11:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you see that page?
[11:43]  * SebthreeBQM10HD The  Nexdock  The Worlds Chapest "lap top 
[11:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that you  have to buy more stuff for
[11:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> to use properly
[11:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> they advertised as the chapest lap top baically
[11:44] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD the stuff i listed should be solid for connecting the screen to your rasb.
[11:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, solid as in everything for that as well ?
[11:47] <matv1> now as in screenwise, yes. I dont know if the rasb has a bt module. For connecting the bt keyboard and pad
[11:47] <matv1> the vid they have doesnt really give an answer to that
[11:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1,  yeah probably not, but I haen't exatly used my two porperly yet so far anyway :D
[11:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I guess I can look more into that one later on some time maybe
[11:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yes if I can do everything with  the tablet properly
[11:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> perfect!
[11:48] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD gd luck!
[11:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, want to use the nexdock at my event on October 22nd, as I put earloier
[11:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with the tablet
[11:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Ubuntu convergence on the nexdock :D
[11:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe on a projecter to, but that's going to be used for other things probably
[11:50] <matv1> well as torusJKL said earlier: the crux would be if that projector has a hdmi input for the wireless display
[11:50] <matv1> youd better check that as soon as possible
[11:50]  * SebthreeBQM10HD  if I am missing something, come back blame matv1 :d,  since  he got me buying from Amazon again or some where else if not, since well I am no Amazon Prime member as well
[11:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, well assuming it dos have the hdmi input, I  should be able to use it?
[11:51] <matv1> haha :) np I am far away in the netherlands so try and find me
[11:51] <matv1> lol
[11:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, it's ok,  I may be in ENgland, but it doesn't take that much to get over there,  then I can come find you :d
[11:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, in fact I was intending on going to Brussels soon for uhmmm FOSDEM,  maybe a trip to Neterhlands should happen to whilst at it :d.  ah I just told you dates, you might hide out in GErmany or some where instead now :D heh heh
[11:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> soon as in well it's not that soon
[11:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but it will be coming up again
[11:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> FOSDEM is awesome :)
[11:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, anyway seriously thanks for all your help :)
[11:54] <matv1> yes I might be going to Ubecon europe in germany next month if thats what you mean. maybe see you there
[11:54] <matv1> cheers
[11:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, nah I don't have the money to go to an event in Germany right now
[11:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so nope
[11:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> time yes, money no
[11:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, thing with England htough is got to get across  that sea some how, and they like to charge quite a bit for that usually
[11:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, and then there will be potential issues in the next three years or so, becaus of the brexit stuff as well hmm
[11:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> going some where like Brussels will really be like going to Europe then :d
[11:56] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD lol :)
[11:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, but whatever I am also half Swedish
[11:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and so it turns out
[11:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I can get a dual passport if I want
[11:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I can be a Sweed if I want to be :d
[11:57] <matv1> being half swedish is always a good thing!
[11:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, might become useufl in places such as brussels,  you know with the actsual EU HQ located there and such
[11:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but it was close,  about half out, about half in,  but a lot of people who don't normally vote ended up voting, and went for leave
[11:58] <matv1> I dont think for visiting it will ever be a problem. Just if you would want to live here longer or work here
[11:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> espeically from Wales uh
[11:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> also Scoltand was mostly in, but they are in UK so
[11:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, yeah or studying maybe dpeending on deals ec
[11:58] <matv1> but we maybe on the verge of getting the off-topic police on our backs soon :)
[11:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, maybe, but not so much here
[11:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and Ubuntu touch has to  well be in and out of the eu anyway
[11:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> all over the world :D
[11:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ideally
[12:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, here's a good one that brings things more back on topic to
[12:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, do you think in certain situations a device running Ubuntu touch, would acsually be ready  already, for non techies
[12:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's actually rather useable, unless people want apps such asa pokemon go and whatsapp etc
[12:02] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD absolutely. using the tablet as a tablet is a good experience already imo
[12:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, I have an event aimed at the general publiccomin gup
[12:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> to try and get htem interested in Linux and even CReative Commons a bit
[12:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so other people will be domonstrating Ubuntu on computers, but I am doing mobile device suff a bit
[12:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> plus to make it more interesting arranging backound music that's CC, and some open movies
[12:03] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD awsum!
[12:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1,  yes I use the tablet with my logitech k480  nearly all the time now
[12:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> instead of a computer
[12:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ,but  I am mostly just doing basic things  anyway, IRC, emails, listneing to music etc,  who needs a computer for that? I don't
[12:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I would do virtual machines on a computer for exmple though, but not done that for quite a while
[12:04] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD right. although I like working on a big screen. or preferably 2 big screens
[12:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well the tablet screeen is
[12:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> reasoanbly big
[12:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and connec it to the nexdock and well
[12:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you just turned the tablet into a 14inch lap top basically :D
[12:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> altough with a blueetooth keyboard and mouse
[12:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and with the right connecters etc, as we were discussing earlier of ourse
[12:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> course
[12:06] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD well my best experience has been to connect it with a hdmi cable to a bigger screen and use a bt mouse and kb
[12:06]  * SebthreeBQM10HD saw a log of this channel whenever it was not that long ago, and it was full of well me and me and more me, and this one will be to, since how i  end up typing stuff usaully on irc, h eh  h eh,  an I thought this earlier to, but now typing it
[12:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1, yes that's what they cal full convergence it seems, bigger screen with blueetooth mouse and keyboad
[12:07] <matv1> but i still like my ubuntu laptop better atm
[12:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> lap top better why ?
[12:08]  * SebthreeBQM10HD would use another distro on the lap top for now b y choice really, bu acsaully been using ubuntu on latest lap top longer than inended, since it's no quite set up properly still, and needs proper re setting up now as well really
[12:08]  * SebthreeBQM10HD finds the tablet and phone interesitng tough
[12:08] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD lol well unity8 mir needs a lot of work still
[12:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> matv1,  I guess my Tizen R1 may work  with nexdock to  once I got that stuff
[12:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> on tablet and phone unithy 8 seems great
[12:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and mir I guess then since it runs on that
[12:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ,but when I did try on the lap top well
[12:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> first of all, how do you install  standard DESKTOP linux programs?  oh can't,  or can't easilly oh
[12:10] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD I meant i prefer my regular ubuntu -Unity7- on my laptop
[12:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> why ?
[12:11] <matv1> SebthreeBQM10HD as I said Unity8 and Mir..
[12:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah, but what's wrong with them
[12:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> do you think?
[12:12] <matv1> nothing wrong except lots of missing bits
[12:13] <matv1> joey sneddon just wrote an update on unity8 and mir on omg ubuntu. he was still not very excited either
[12:14] <Mirv> tsdgeos: can you proposed https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/151559/ for 5.6 too? in general, we'll want to have as many fixes as possible in upstream 5.6 since that's what we're going to use too.
[12:14] <matv1> just to name a few glaring bits: multiple monitor support is not there. multple users not even worked out well. libertine installs of choosen x-apps needs to be a button basically
[12:15] <matv1> app confinement still poses lots of problems as well for loads of apps
[12:15] <matv1> matv1 a lot to do so lets get on with it :)
[12:16]  * matv1 needs to get lunch
[12:30] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i think people was scared about it
[12:30] <tsdgeos> that's why it ended up in 5.7 only
[12:30] <Mirv> tsdgeos: upstream shouldn't be scared of their own codebase :)
[12:31] <Mirv> tsdgeos: ok, I also mentioned it just so that the general idea is out there
[12:31] <Mirv> tsdgeos: it's unfortunate if our 5.6 will become a monster hybrid, which I'm afraid it will already become at this rate
[12:32] <Mirv> I've a pile of patches for compiling Qt Quick Controls 2 against Qt 5.6..
[12:32] <tsdgeos> Mirv: there's still an apparent "not enough people with declarative knowledge" upstream
[12:32] <tsdgeos> which is weird given it seems to be their main money maker
[12:32] <tsdgeos> i can ask
[12:32] <Mirv> heh
[12:32] <Mirv> ok
[12:54] <ghosalmartin> rsalveti: hello, you around?
[12:55] <jgdx> hey vigo, I've reproduced all of these things on a device not using silo 1943. So they are bugs/regressions from OTA13 and later, but not introduced by 1943 afaics.
[12:55] <jgdx> vigo, let me file a bug for all of these, okay? :)
[12:57] <jgdx> vigo, although I'm not entirely certain the first search bug is a bug: seems as designed to me
[12:57] <jgdx> anyway, good testing and excellent writeup of these issues
[12:57] <jgdx> thanks
[13:00] <jgdx> vigo, filed bug 1630988 and bug 1630987
[13:14] <vigo> jgdx, thank you for filing both :)
[13:14] <jgdx> vigo, maybe you can file the first one, and state how you'd like it designed, maybe affect ubuntu-ux
[13:15] <vigo> jgdx, I'll update them with some info if you don't mind :), yea sure I'll file it too
[13:16] <vigo> maybe is working as designed but it feels annoying to dissmis always the osk just because you used the search once :\
[13:24] <jgdx> vigo, yeah, seems that if you return to the main screen after a search, search should be closed.
[13:24] <vigo> jgdx, great :) filing it
[13:25] <jgdx> vigo, thanks
[13:27] <vigo> jgdx, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1630999
[13:39] <tsdgeos> Mirv: do we happen to have a note which our bugs that patch fixed?
[13:57] <Mirv> tsdgeos: yes, your bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/+bug/1556842
[13:57] <tsdgeos> tx
[14:25] <tsdgeos> Mirv: Qt people suggest to try https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/169892/13 for the arm64 crash
[14:30] <oftc_ftw> Hello everyone. Since quite a while I am waiting for background tasks in Ubuntu Phone. I subscribed to [1] but it seems there is no activity whatsoever. What are the plans for this? I don't exactly know what "Saucy" means but when I click on it I see a lot of 13.xx milestones which I assume mean 2013. It's now 2016 and still no progress, not even a discussion going on. Am I looking in the wrong place? Or is this not a priority
[14:30] <oftc_ftw> (in the sense of not at all)? [1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1305-background-task-service
[14:32] <oftc_ftw> I am an (open source) app developer and have two apps in mind with some prototyping already done. But there is no way these app are going to work without being able to run in background.
[14:34] <dobey> oftc_ftw: we don't use blueprints for phone features; and anyone can create blueprints on launchpad, so they are not a good metric for finding out what's happening
[14:35] <pmcgowan> oftc_ftw, this project tracks some requested use cases https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-application-lifecycle
[14:35] <pmcgowan> we won't open up all background processing but are happy for folks to contribute services for the main use cases
[14:36]  * dobey still really does not like that
[14:38] <oftc_ftw> thanks for the info and the link. pmcgowan, could you elaborate on what it means to not "open up all background processing"? are you saying my app will not be able run in the background?
[14:41] <pmcgowan> oftc_ftw, yes,the preference is to provide support for what you need running in the background
[14:42] <pmcgowan> the idea is we should be able to do 90% of whats needed without completely allowing any process to background
[14:42] <pmcgowan> we have been picking off use cases one by one ut I konw its frustrating
[14:44] <pmcgowan> I mean provide it in a standard service
[14:54] <dobey> pmcgowan: it's not just simply frustrating
[14:58] <matv1> pmcgowan shouldnt you be making a distinction here between desktop-mode and phablet-mode?
[14:59] <pmcgowan> matv1, good question, I will now drag tvoss into the conversation, this is being discussed
[15:01] <matv1> pmcgowan tvoss looking foward to the current thinking on this :)
[15:01] <pmcgowan> we really need to publish a roadmap
[15:01] <pmcgowan> then let folks comment
[15:01] <pmcgowan> too much to do
[15:02] <matv1> pcmgowan i feel your pain :)
[15:03] <dobey> matv1: i don't really think presentation mode of the UI should matter there
[15:03] <matv1> dobey well there are 2 lines of thinking here.
[15:04] <matv1> one is the energy consideration. in that case no, bg processing should still be surpresed
[15:04] <dobey> i disagree
[15:05] <matv1> the other is well desktop mode should be what it is currently. so bg processing should be allowed
[15:05] <matv1> dobey remind me of your thinking :)
[15:07] <dobey> processing should be managed equally in both cases, and it should be up to the user how much energy they want to use. just shoving background processing off to system services doesn't solve the energy issue
[15:07] <matv1> right so it should be a user-choice ?
[15:07] <matv1> always ?
[15:08] <dobey> i think you're confusing "user choice" here with "an option in the ui to allow or disallow background processing"
[15:08] <matv1> I am not confusing. I am asking you :)
[15:09] <dobey> user choice as in choosing to only perform light duty tasks, or play high intensity 3d game on a laptop, for example
[15:09] <dobey> if i want to keep an app open and talking to a bluetooth device, that should be my coice, not a policy decision by the system
[15:10] <ali1234> if i start any long-running non-interactive task i expect it to keep running in the background while i do something else
[15:12] <dobey> now, there can be some emergency response policy in the system, such as ending comms and forcing app to save its state and exit when battery is too low, and that's fine
[15:15] <matv1> dobey I see. Yes that sounds good. I was definetly thinking too much inside the current box
[15:16] <matv1> so if i understand you correctly you are saying it should be a mix of user configuration and ´system-intelligence´
[15:16] <matv1> for lack of a better word
[15:17] <matv1> no matter what the platform
[15:17] <oftc_ftw> pmcgowan: thanks for the clarification (and sorry for my late reply). so, what will you do about the remaining 10% then?
[15:17] <dobey> well not user configuration, just simply user choosing to use apps that may expend more battery, such as navigation versus not doing so
[15:18] <oftc_ftw> i see the ongoing discussion here and maybe it's not too late to say that I personally want to be able to do geeky stuff on my phone in the background.
[15:18] <dobey> there can be an API similar to the one on iOS for requesting CPU time to process, and some heuristics to deal with low battery or extreme resource usage and such, but in general the background processing should be allowed
[15:19] <oftc_ftw> like running a background service permanently that checks certain thinks like running processes in an interval
[15:19]  * oftc_ftw agrees with dobey
[15:20] <pmcgowan> oftc_ftw, so there is an escape if you use teak-geek
[15:20] <pmcgowan> sorry tweak-geek
[15:20] <pmcgowan> you can then open up your phone and play away
[15:24] <oftc_ftw> pmcgowan: so if i want to write an app that does something in the 10% range, i will have to ask users to install UT Tweak Tool (tweak-geek says its deprecated) and allow background services system-wide? Or is there a per-app setting? is this basically a root-enabling app, similar to android's superSU?
[15:25] <dobey> oftc_ftw: it's a dconf setting with a list of apps
[15:25] <pmcgowan> oftc_ftw, no its not to be used for general users but it allows you to do things on your own phone
[15:26] <pmcgowan> if you want to provide an app then we need to fit it into the system
[15:26] <dobey> oftc_ftw: it's basically the only way you can do it now; or you can ship your apps in the "open [sic] store"
[15:26] <pmcgowan> oftc_ftw, so what is your app wanting to do?
[15:27] <oftc_ftw> And if UT Tweak Tool allows to enable background tasks, why cannot I (with the appropriate permissions) enable them in my app? Can I modify dconf settings?
[15:28] <dobey> your app is confined
[15:28] <matv1> apparmor doesnt allow it
[15:29] <oftc_ftw> pmcgowan: for instance i want to run a shell command whenever another app becomes the foreground app. this is something i do in android, not what i want to do (right now) on UT, just an example (in case you want to say it should not be allowed to see other apps or something).
[15:30] <dobey> i don't know if there's a reasoanbly easy way to tell if an app is in foreground or not, but you could certainly do that on your own device if you wish
[15:31] <oftc_ftw> When I said I want to do geeky stuff on my phone, I meant I want to do it on my phone and then allow others to do it as well if they want. :P
[15:32] <oftc_ftw> dobey: i have no current use-case for that detection on UT because the app in question is Android-only.
[15:34] <oftc_ftw> so, will there be a way to wake up the app after a timeout? i get the push-messaging approach, but what if there is no central server that could notify the client? how will irc work if the app does not receive messages in the background?
[15:35] <dobey> well, irc should probably work via the messaging framework based on telepathy
[15:40] <pmcgowan> oftc_ftw, we also have a polling daemon which takes plugins, so if the service doesn't provide push you can simulate it with polld
[15:42] <dobey> pmcgowan: i don't think we support apps providing plug-ins though do we? and even if so, it's not a nice solution, and not usable for things which require persistent link, or which need to be polled more often
[15:42] <oftc_ftw> ok maybe i can fit into the 90% for now. :) yet i fear the day when UT is well established and I find one of my app ideas in the 10%...
[15:44] <oftc_ftw> dobey: i tried to find docs on that framework and i'm not sure if it would work. did you say it because of IRC or is it designed to support any (even proprietary) service?
[15:46] <pmcgowan> dobey, maybe its only blessed apps at this point, I know mardy did some work to make plugins run in separate processes so we could accept them
[15:46] <dobey> pmcgowan: and do they have to be written in go?
[15:47] <dobey> oftc_ftw: telepathy is pluggable, so could support any messaging service really; i don't know what the plans are exactly for making it possible to provide alternate back-ends
[15:56] <dobey> anyway i gotta get lunch
[15:59] <ali1234> telepathy has always been terrible for irc. there is no good reason for it. the developers just hate irc and refuse to implement it properly.
[17:13] <Tims_Tech> how to compile ubuntu touch from a cm11 source?
[17:54] <dobey> meh
[18:32] <oftc_ftw> thanks for information earlier, guys, appreciate it. i'm just going to wait and see how everything turns out as apparently there's nothing i can do app-wise anyway. so, thanks again!
[18:45] <oftc_ftw> hm i have another question if you don't mind: looking at the "OpenStore" app on the Openstore-Website it says "Apparmor profile: unconfined". Does that mean that an alternative app store has to have this profile? If yes, how can I create an alternative app store like F-Droid and install it? Or is the limitation to that just that I would not be able to distribute an app that uses unconfined profile via the Ubuntu Store?
[18:46] <dobey> oftc_ftw: you can side-load any .click package you want (assuming it's for the same architecture)
[18:48] <dobey> oftc_ftw: right, "unconfined" is a reserved profile, and even with it, you don't get background processing. the "open store" allows you to do some extra things, though.
[18:58] <oftc_ftw> thanks dobey! i don't exactly understand what the "open store" is then. how can it do more than any other app that has the "unconfined" profile?
[19:02] <dobey> oftc_ftw: the store itself can't do more than any other app that has the unconfined profile; but "unconfined" can access more things on disk, so open store apps can provide upstart jobs for example. and such
[19:44] <oftc_ftw> ah thanks dobey, got it. i misinterpreted your answer as "even with unconfined background processing won't work, but the open store allows it".