[05:39] <t2mkn> hello
[06:04] <iliv> test test one two one two
[06:06] <t2mkn> Test successful
[06:36] <Gorian> I'm always surprised at how dead this IRC is for how popular and un-niche ubuntu server is
[06:36] <Gorian> compared to like, #reddit-sysadmin or #datahoarder
[08:09] <jamespage> coreycb, zul, ddellav: I did the ceilometer and nova uploads for release
[08:39] <rbasak> Gorian: apparently it's cooler to slate the devs rather than talk to them :-/
[09:11] <jamespage> coreycb, ddellav, zul: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/1631304
[11:41] <coreycb> jamespage, that would explain the autopkgtest failure on arm
[11:41] <jamespage> coreycb, i hit it on amd64 testing locally
[11:45] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks for the fix. I couldn't figure out what was going on there.
[12:30] <zul> coreycb/jamespage/dddav: i synched magnum
[12:58] <coreycb> zul, thanks. I'm taking a look at sahara and zaqar syncs.
[13:00] <zul> coreycb: ill take mistral
[13:01] <coreycb> zul, +1
[13:13] <coreycb> zul, sahara and zaqar synced
[13:14] <coreycb> zul, looking at syncing pandas for gnocchi
[13:20] <zul> pandas?
[13:24] <coreycb> zul, yes, but not the fuzzy ones
[13:25] <coreycb> zul, looking at congress and ironic-inspector
[13:25] <coreycb> zul, pandas is synced
[13:26] <coreycb> appears to be too early for congress
[13:26] <zul> coreycb: k
[13:27] <coreycb> zul, looking at murano
[13:28] <zul> coreycb: synched mistral
[13:34] <zul> coreycb: senlin isnt updated either
[13:36] <coreycb> zul, ok
[13:36] <coreycb> zul, murano and ironic-inspector synced, looking at murano-agent
[13:39] <coreycb> jamespage, did you sync neutron-dynamic-routing?
[13:42] <coreycb> zul, murano-agent synced
[14:00] <jamespage> coreycb, not yet
[14:00] <jamespage> coreycb, lp has not noticed in unstable
[14:00] <coreycb> jamespage, ok
[14:11] <lucidguy> What do you guys use for IDS/IPS?
[15:17] <georgios> hello
[15:17] <georgios> i see there exist userspace utils related to grsecurity, but where is the kernel?
[15:31] <blablablabla> hi all :)
[15:43] <btorch> hi is there someway to still upgrade from lucid -> precise -> trusty ? I see that lucid is no longer on archive
[15:44] <btorch> so do-release-upgrade fails due to that
[15:44] <nacc> !eol | btorch
[15:44] <btorch> thanks
[16:21] <btorch> hmm still getting the WARNING: Failed to read mirror file even after the EOL changes
[16:59] <btorch> yeah this isn't working well https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[17:01] <btorch> Err http://old-releases.ubuntu.com lucid/main Translation-en
[17:01] <rbasak> btorch: are you asking for help? If so I suggest you present your entire problem rather than just snippets. Eg. pastebin your sources.list, explain the command you're typing, and so on.
[17:02] <btorch> yeah sorry , will do so
[17:16] <btorch> so this is the issue I'm seeing http://pastebin.ca/3726205 and I'm wondering if there is another way around it or if it might be ok to proceed with only having the main sources.list repo
[17:23] <blizzow> What's the tool that runs during a server install that allows you to choose various roles (ssh server, virtualization server, samba server...)? I'd like to run it post-install if possible.
[17:23] <rbasak> blizzow: tasksel
[17:24] <blizzow> rbasak: thanks.
[17:47] <Gorian> rbasak that's sad
[17:47] <Gorian> also, I just realized you said that to me like, 10 hours ago :p
[18:10] <rbasak> Gorian: :)
[18:10] <Gorian> bouncer pinged me as soon as I logged :p
[18:10] <rbasak> Gorian: it was shortly after I saw a blog post about an investigation into an apparent bug in Ubuntu, but to my knowledge no bug report
[18:10] <rbasak> Maybe I was a bit harsh at the time.
[18:11] <Gorian> meh, I get that. People can be super opinionated about things they could never do themselves
[18:11] <Gorian> lol
[18:11] <rbasak> I don't mind people blogging about disagreeing with us.
[18:12] <rbasak> People have opinions, we can only choose one default, people will disagree and that's fine.
[18:12] <rbasak> It's when they rant about an issue they don't bother to even tell us about that bugs me.
[18:13] <Gorian> yeah, I get that
[18:13] <cpaelzer> I have a mac and know the host that has it is alive - can I force it to reveal its IP?
[18:13] <cpaelzer> might get too late :-/
[18:13] <Gorian> are you an Ubuntu dev?
[18:13] <rbasak> Yes, as is cpaelzer. All the Ubuntu server devs hang out here :)
[18:13] <Gorian> rbasak: I try to be that person that makes pull requests, finds solutions to bugs I complain about, etc. if I can
[18:13] <cpaelzer> yep
[18:13] <Gorian> rbasak: oh cool!
[18:14] <Gorian> rbasak, cpaelzer thank you :)
[18:14] <Gorian> I use Ubuntu all the time ,3
[18:14] <Gorian> * <3
[18:14] <rbasak> You're welcome :)
[18:14] <Gorian> now, go get me zfs in the server installer! :P
[18:14] <Gorian> lol
[18:15] <rbasak> Good quality pull requests, bug reports and commentary are also always welcome :)
[18:15] <cpaelzer> what did you say about pull requests :-)
[18:15] <Gorian> haha. I'm a DevOps engineer. Changing a script in a web application is more in my skillset than changing OS code :(
[18:15] <Gorian> but, I was joking when I said that :p
[18:16] <rbasak> We do have to deal with a ton of poor quality reports too, so if you do happen to get lost in the noise, please do bring it up here. We're striving to give a clear answer to every report, even if that's "sorry, too low a priority in general, we probably won't get to it, patches welcome".
[18:16] <rbasak> OTOH, we've been prioritising landing actual patch submissions.
[18:16] <Gorian> heh, will do. I haven't actually encountered anything to report in Ubuntu ever, personally
[18:17] <Gorian> but, right now, I have 4 servers I'm having to boot into with a livecd, and then install on top of zfs with debootstrap
[18:17] <georgios> i see there exist userspace utils related to grsecurity, but where is the kernel?
[18:17] <rbasak> georgios: AFAIK, we don't carry a grsecurity kernel (does any major distro?) but you can ask the kernel team in #ubuntu-kernel
[18:18] <georgios> ok
[18:18] <cpaelzer> georgios: and also despite all flame wars quite some grsec feats went mainline, so the tools get more and more applicable even in non-special environments
[18:19] <georgios> ok. i was ready to ask about that
[18:19] <Gorian> rbasak: so, what do you think of btrfs vs. zfs?
[18:19] <rbasak> I think that both are available on Ubuntu :-)
[18:21] <Gorian> technically, yes
[18:21] <Gorian> I was just asking your opinion though :p
[18:21] <Gorian> you can't easily install Ubuntu 16.04 on top of zfs as root
[18:22] <rbasak> I wouldn't try too hard to get a zfs root. Far easier just to mount /srv for a workload or whatever.
[18:22] <rbasak> I don't think I know enough about modern btrfs vs. zfs to have a qualified opinion.
[18:24] <Gorian> fair enough
[18:25] <Gorian> but, the whole point of using one was to use it as a root filesystem :p
[18:25] <rbasak> Why do you need one as a root filesystem?
[18:26] <Gorian> well, other option is ext4+mdraid for a software mirror
[18:26] <Gorian> decided I like btrfs or zfs better:p
[18:27] <Gorian> but btrfs was being grumpier than zfs when trying to manually install with debootstrap, because my servers don't want to work right and install from a cd
[18:29] <rbasak> Personally, I'd still use ext4+mdraid unless you actually need zfs/btrfs features.
[18:29] <Gorian> interesting
[18:29] <Gorian> so, is it sad that I only recently found out about using apt instead of apt-get?
[18:30] <rbasak> It's not possible for everyone to keep up with everything. Every so often I catch up on something, but there are always plenty of things I haven't caught up on yet.
[18:31] <rbasak> I only stated *using* apt instead of apt-get in the last month or so, though obviously with my job I knew about it a long time ago.
[18:31] <rbasak> I still haven't learnt tmux and don't use byobu regularly because screen works fine for me in most cases.
[18:31] <Gorian> I barely use tmux
[18:31] <rbasak> (though I fire up byobu whenever sharing with someone else because that's far easier)
[18:32] <Gorian> I'm never at a linux GUI and just use multiple ssh sessions
[18:32] <Gorian> byobu?
[18:32] <rbasak> It's a friendly wrapper around screen/tmux
[18:33] <rbasak> Great for sharing a screen with someone else, since it Just Works for that without requiring the other person to know how to use anything.
[18:33] <Gorian> Bring Your Own Butter and Unagi?
[18:33] <Gorian> inetersting
[18:33] <Gorian> *interesting
[18:56] <compdoc>  I started using apt instead of apt-get too