[21:41] <thumper> wallyworld, menn0: fyi, I'll miss the stand up today
[21:42] <wallyworld> ok
[21:52] <menn0> wallyworld: this brings back Ping: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6410
[21:52] <wallyworld> looking
[21:52] <menn0> wallyworld: adding IsBroken as a separate PR
[21:53] <wallyworld> menn0: i think the jaas code has already been updated? do we need the Ping() or just IsBkoken?
[21:54] <menn0> wallyworld: I don't know but given that it caused problems for them removing Ping may upset other projects too so I thought it best to bring it back at this stage
[21:54] <menn0> wallyworld: the next PR will mark it as deprecated
[21:54] <wallyworld> ok
[21:54] <menn0> wallyworld: the preferred way to check a connection will be to use Broken() or IsBroken()
[21:54] <wallyworld> indeed
[22:01] <wallyworld> menn0: lgtm but a request to simplify the Ping() doc string
[22:01] <menn0> wallyworld: ok thanks
[22:05]  * thumper is sad looking at db contents
[22:05] <thumper> so much duplication
[22:05] <thumper> at least three different places we store the ca-cert
[22:06] <thumper> and three places we store api-port and state-port
[22:08] <anastasiamac> thumper: considering mongo is not really relational, i.e. a lot of denormalised data, duplication is not lethal.. i think we may just try to twist its arm too hard something
[22:08] <anastasiamac> sometimes*
[23:17] <wallyworld> menn0: axw: veebers: standup?
[23:21] <veebers> wallyworld: worry just about to head out the door (I have existing appointments most days at this time :-\)
[23:21] <wallyworld> no worries