[07:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:51] <daftykins> o/
[07:51] <daftykins> ah nothing like an early morning cycle on a freshly lubed bike to wake up
[07:54] <brobostigon> :)
[07:58] <daftykins> i say that like i do that often, but this is like a one-off :>
[07:59] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[07:59] <daftykins> well i'm only just back and with winter approaching, riding in the wet again like i've done my whole life is no fun for anyone :D
[08:00] <brobostigon> yep, pushbike and or motorbike too.
[08:01] <daftykins> need to do some more of that, the hiking i did in the US showed me how unfit i was
[08:01] <daftykins> any plans for the day, sir?
[08:02] <brobostigon> voluntary job, 11am-3pm.
[08:02] <daftykins> ah cool
[08:05] <daftykins> i saw a piece in the in-flight magazine on flying back to the island last, of a kids drop-in centre type charity thing here in town, i thought about offering IT work cheap/free as a volunteering thing
[08:05] <daftykins> give a little back and all that
[08:10] <brobostigon> :)
[08:12] <brobostigon> similer to what i am doing, have done before.
[08:13] <daftykins> ah yeah
[08:14] <brobostigon> if people wont pay me to do it, i may as well do it for nothing, rther than let my skills go to waste.
[08:16] <daftykins> *nod* well said
[08:16] <daftykins> gives exposure and training in a way, too
[08:16] <brobostigon> yes
[08:35] <daftykins> mmm my Linux skills are gonna get stale if i don't move to a systemd based release i suspect :(
[08:35] <daftykins> but i do so love LTS
[08:36] <daftykins> so i'm comfy with my systems staying on 14.04 (:
[08:38] <JonTheNiceGuy[m]> Systems actually isn't that bad.
[08:38] <JonTheNiceGuy[m]> Systemd (damn you autocorrect)
[08:39] <daftykins> oh i know a bias is common, but i don't have one i just haven't had time or exposure
[10:48] <SuperEngineer> Hmm... some bloke in next field shooting at birds. I think I may have found a use for a wasp nest if anybody has one spare.
[10:48] <daftykins> XD
[10:48] <daftykins> field o0
[10:51] <SuperEngineer> yeah, a field... now gimme a wasp nest
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> 1 wasp nest or a disgruntled badger...
[10:54] <SuperEngineer> [I think he might even be on this channel because he's just dtopped shooting :-D ]
[10:54] <zmoylan-pi> or reloading with louder ammo
[10:55] <SuperEngineer> a disgruntled honey badger seems a good choice if you have one
[10:55] <zmoylan-pi> amazon prime, used, allow 3 working days for delivery... and 2 days to prise it off the deliverymans leg with a shovel... (shovel not included)
[10:56] <zmoylan-pi> see gods must be crazy ii for details... :-P
[10:57] <SuperEngineer> "louder ammo" is not, methinks his priority.  Larger spread ammo is probably his thought coz he seems to have very bad aiming hand/eye coordination :-)
[10:58] <zmoylan-pi> yeah... if you can't hit it with a shotgun then just stop...
[10:59] <SuperEngineer> errmmm... I don't think it's actually the arm that honey badgers attack.  [let's just say you need to keep your legs crossed near one and preferably wear armoured underpants]
[11:00] <daftykins> http://guernseypress.com/news/2016/10/08/st-peters-resident-traps-six-ferrets-after-two-chickens-killed/
[11:00] <daftykins> seems Guernsey has some trouble with some previously escaped pets of late
[11:01]  * SuperEngineer imagines bloke running around field trying to hit the birds with butt of his gun :-D
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> someone let their pets go free and they're breeding wild
[11:02] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: TWO chickens?!  a whole TWO chickens?!  They must be petrified.
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> if you keep a few chickens for eggs/food every one counts
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> but those ferrets will also be killing everything in sight
[11:03] <SuperEngineer> yup, chickens are good  with maths
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> rabbits, birds
[11:03] <SuperEngineer> honey badgers
[11:03] <SuperEngineer> zebra faced hobbits..
[11:03] <SuperEngineer> the lot!
[11:04] <SuperEngineer> Ferrets are indeed one of the most dangerous of cuddly animals
[11:05] <zmoylan-pi> and people still put them down their pants...
[11:06] <SuperEngineer> A thought re " keep a few chickens for eggs/food every one counts".  If you have it for food you can't count it anymore
[11:07] <SuperEngineer> & it certainly can't count after eating it.  it's maths ability disappears during cooking apparently
[11:07] <zmoylan-pi> one person at least in this channel keeps chickens... that i know off
[11:07] <SuperEngineer> [probably more than 1]
[11:07] <zmoylan-pi> probably
[11:08] <SuperEngineer> for instance: I myself keep their eggs, temporarily ;-)
[11:08] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: sign o' things to come though
[11:08] <SuperEngineer> yup
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> and of course the weirdest military technology also involves chickens... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Peacock#Chicken_power
[11:10] <SuperEngineer> I liked the rference to some bod called Tom O'Leary, Tim O'Leary seems more appropriate in that article
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> it does seem drug inspired a little
[11:13] <SuperEngineer> yup
[11:13] <SuperEngineer> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Leary
[11:21] <SuperEngineer> https://twitter.com/SuprEngr/status/785077455690276864/photo/1
[11:27] <zmoylan-pi> but isn't that the american number...
[11:30] <SuperEngineer> ok. you get to keep your license
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> i am not a whovian... i game with 3 whovians...
[11:33] <zmoylan-pi> one of whom has cosplayed as the tardis...
[11:34] <daftykins> impressive
[11:35] <daftykins> i suppose at least that took care of the transport costs
[11:35] <zmoylan-pi> well... everyone dresses as their favourite doctor...
[11:36] <SuperEngineer> my favourite doctor is kind, gentle female with a wonderful touch.  Whoops - wrong sort of doctor [which is a relief as I don't fancy dressing as her]
[11:38]  * SuperEngineer wonders what zmoylan-pi is dressing up as  :-D
[11:38] <zmoylan-pi> i haven't dressed up for halloween since the 80s
[11:38] <zmoylan-pi> very early 80s
[11:38] <SuperEngineer> :-)
[11:39] <zmoylan-pi> but there is gaelcon on this month for a few days and people are encouraged to come in costume...
[11:39] <daftykins> i always thought it was an american thing as a kid
[11:39] <zmoylan-pi> celtic festival... pumpkin lanterns were originally turnips
[11:39] <daftykins> is that a contraction of 'gaelic' and 'loonie' ?
[11:40] <zmoylan-pi> gaelcon is a gaming convention in ireland.  great fun.  money raised for charity. meet new gamers and try new games
[11:40]  * zmoylan-pi packs nerf... again...
[11:41] <SuperEngineer> Intersting "fact": you know it's been a tough week when you use the cursor keys on the keyboard to navigate the TV listings whilst wondering why no response on TV and the TV remote is by the keyboard.
[11:42] <zmoylan-pi> means you haven't configured your pc to control your tv... yet...
[11:42] <SuperEngineer> corrctimundo
[11:43] <daftykins> :D
[12:08] <SuperEngineer> A real beauty of a cat pic from Professor Brian Cox https://twitter.com/ProfBrianCox/status/785088902201827328/photo/1
[12:09] <SuperEngineer> ['coz that's what t'internets is for]
[12:09] <zmoylan-pi> gee.. i wonder why the cat is sitting in a box warmed by valves... :-)
[12:10] <daftykins> zap zap zap
[12:10] <penguin42> it likes the way the EHT makes it's fut stand up
[12:11] <zmoylan-pi> makes it look bigger and more threatening... and snuggly warm...
[12:12] <SuperEngineer> and, I guess, makes it eventually smell of burning cat fur!
[12:12] <zmoylan-pi> had one cat that would sit so close to an antracite fireplace that her nose would occasionly touch the glass when she fell asleep and wake her instantly till she got drowsy again...
[12:13] <SuperEngineer> youch!#
[12:13] <zmoylan-pi> but after 15 minutes her fur would become too hot to touch and she'd then crawl under sofa to sleep till she cooled down and then sit in front of fireplace again
[12:13] <SuperEngineer> zzzzzz, ouch, zzzzzz, opuch! zzzzz. ouch!
[12:13] <zmoylan-pi> but utterly happy...
[12:14] <SuperEngineer> :-)
[12:14] <zmoylan-pi> her first bed was under a gas oven that got a lot of use... so she was used to the heat
[12:14] <SuperEngineer> I'm glad you stated "under" rather than "in"
[12:15] <SuperEngineer> "my cat loves the oven.. she went in there & loves it so much she won't leave" :-D
[12:16] <zmoylan-pi> she did used to open the oven and steal food that was cooking in it while it was on.  which i never thought a cat could do
[12:16] <zmoylan-pi> essentially sticking her paw into fire
[12:16] <SuperEngineer> YIKES!
[12:16] <zmoylan-pi> my mother got a few funny looks when she went shopping for an oven with a door a cat couldn't open...
[12:17] <SuperEngineer> lol
[12:18] <SuperEngineer> As an aside... don't you just love the Software Updater
[12:18] <SuperEngineer> *Updater
[12:18] <SuperEngineer> ... I have 3 distros on this computer
[12:19] <SuperEngineer> and it often comes back with the result...
[12:21] <SuperEngineer> "the software on this computer is up to date"
[12:21] <SuperEngineer> WOW, that's clever.  Checking all 3 distros at the same time :-D
[12:27] <zmoylan-pi> still better than windows that only considers the update done when it's broken any linux distros it finds... :-P
[12:30] <SuperEngineer> :-D
[12:37] <SuperEngineer> "nstalling update 1 of 3,000,101 - do not power off, shut down or hop[e you have a linux distro installed aftwerwards"
[12:38] <daftykins> that's your fault for not maintaining it, not its'
[12:38] <daftykins> your Linux distro is no different on package updates required
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> but you can keep using it while it updates
[12:39]  * SuperEngineer agrees with zmoylan-pi 
[12:39] <daftykins> that's moot when you plan properly
[12:39] <daftykins> also most apps would be unhappy
[12:39] <zmoylan-pi> whereas switching on a windows system for first time in months is purely for microsofts benefit as you won't get anything done
[12:39] <daftykins> well that'd be a case of not using the right tool for the job, or asking just wtf you only power it on so rarely :)
[12:40] <daftykins> i still think the kinds of comments out of Linux users with regard to Windows are quite sad
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> not everyone uses their computer every day... they have... you know... lives :-)
[12:40] <daftykins> :O tell me of what rare lands these rare creatures must sprout from :D
[12:40]  * SuperEngineer guesses daftykins real job is Microsoft PR
[12:41] <zmoylan-pi> and for most of the linux users i know. there's only 1-2 windows apps needed once in a blue moon...
[12:42] <zmoylan-pi> as a gamer who plays d&d about 1-2 a year a gm will need to fire up a character generator on a windows system and then curse and swear as windows does its whiny update silliness
[12:42] <daftykins> no it's sense - and not spouting these childish OS biased statements that just serve to make you look daft as a brush :)
[12:42] <SuperEngineer> ooooooooooo, daftykins has claws out
[12:43] <daftykins> meh, it still won't update auto if you have a fraction of a clue
[12:43] <SuperEngineer> ooooooooooo, daftykins definitely has claws out
[12:43] <daftykins> and that rarely booted system is still at mercy of updates too, so once again moot statements
[12:43] <SuperEngineer> meee-ooowww
[12:43] <daftykins> well if you will insist on pointing yourself out to be utterly IT incompetent then yeah :)
[12:43] <zmoylan-pi> windows update sucks.  end of story.
[12:44] <daftykins> sure it does, but everything sucks - you just learn how to tame it as best you can
[12:44] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: neither is this channel a place for insukts!
[12:44] <daftykins> or you move to Linux and pretend that everythings perfect
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> sure but linux updates suck so much less
[12:44] <daftykins> well i'm glad i haven't insukt anyone then :)
[12:44]  * zmoylan-pi hands out the nerf and prepares for battle
[12:44] <daftykins> seriously though, they're not meant as insults, they're statements
[12:45]  * SuperEngineer realises wht F1 on TV right now is more interesting than this convop.
[12:45] <daftykins> now just hand me that cuppa behind that person crying about the broken ubuntu upgrade and i'll be on my way ;)
[12:45] <SuperEngineer> GONE
[12:45] <daftykins> wow that's really telling :) F1 is dire!
[12:46] <zmoylan-pi> f1 is soap opera for men :-)
[12:46] <daftykins> haha nicely put
[12:46] <zmoylan-pi> but then, i'd say that for most sports...
[14:25] <NET||abuse> hey guys, i'm planning a mobile app, and to do the design review, annotation with the 3 other people, I really liked the idea of redpen, or projecthuddle, but i'd rather have a selfhosted opensource solution, anyone know of something design focused that i could use?
[14:26] <NET||abuse> Has anyone seen anything like that? A design sharing/collaboration annotation tool.
[14:31] <daftykins> newp, first thing that comes to mind is a remote desktop tech with other programs open
[15:26] <JonTheNiceGuy[m]> NET||abuse take a look at sandstorm.io there are apps there which will possibly work for you.
[15:27] <JonTheNiceGuy[m]> Like https://apps.sandstorm.io/app/c6zfftftrra9d4pdyuc1psew65ukqrjujvk20fac4zke1uasxv10
[15:28]  * penguin42 keeps meaning to get sandstorm going
[15:28] <penguin42> somewhere after the other 70 things he means to get going
[15:28] <JonTheNiceGuy[m]> Although depending on what you're working on this might be better: https://apps.sandstorm.io/app/1gda5n8p8zsc0r9pcana2yjgtvsq169068k4ve8mk68z4x9fvzuh
[15:29] <JonTheNiceGuy[m]> Penguin42 it's very easy to stand up.
[15:30] <penguin42> JonTheNiceGuy[m]: maybe I've just got to fit it into my schedule of not getting around to stuff
[15:32] <JonTheNiceGuy[m]> penguin42: :D
[15:35] <diddledan> morning
[15:40] <diddledan> penguin42: I know where I can get a round tuit for you
[15:40] <diddledan> (my parents have one)
[15:40] <diddledan> aww, I just quit :-(
[15:40] <diddledan> byebye me :-(
[15:40] <penguin42> diddledan: I think I need a 5 pack
[15:42] <diddledan> yey, the prodigal me returns!
[17:41] <diddledan> wow, my other me is super bouncy today
[19:26] <ubuntivity> Hello. can I meet Mr. Albuxton ?
[19:26] <popey> that would be ali1234
[19:27] <ubuntivity> I need help making a presentation file from about 60 images using a script.
[19:27] <ubuntivity> popey: I've been told so too :)
[19:27] <ubuntivity> ali1234: You seem to be a script guru, can you please help me with my quest?
[19:28] <ali1234> okay i guess
[19:28] <ali1234> what makes you think i can help you?
[19:28] <ubuntivity> ali1234: I've been referred to you by someone :)
[19:29] <ubuntivity> ali1234: CoderEurope in particular :D
[19:30] <ali1234> i have no idea who that is
[19:30] <popey> our friend from the isle of man who changes his irc nickname frequently
[19:30] <ubuntivity> ali1234: you apparently are a famous person
[19:30] <ali1234> oh that guy...
[19:31] <ali1234> okay so what type of presentation do you want?
[19:31] <ubuntivity> What I need to do is this: I have 60 image files, I want to make a LibreOffice Impress presentation file, with each slide containing one image filling it.
[19:33] <ali1234> insert -> picture -> photo album
[19:34] <popey> yeah, libreoffice has this built in these days
[19:35] <ubuntivity> ali1234: I use LibreOffice 3.5.7 , it doesn't support this feature
[19:35] <ubuntivity> ali1234: I tried several times to build the newer versions but they seem to crash the system.
[19:35] <ali1234> why can't you just upgrade?
[19:35] <popey> 3.5.7 is very old
[19:36] <ubuntivity> ali1234: this is the most recent version in my system's repository
[19:36] <popey> you running 12.04?
[19:36] <ubuntivity> popey: Bingo
[19:36] <ubuntivity> popey: It is the most stable version for my laptop, 12.04
[19:36] <popey> https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/30365/libreoffice-4-2-ppa-for-ubuntu-1204-1310-how-to-install-tutorial/
[19:37] <popey> that ppa is an official one
[19:37] <popey> and will bring you up to 4.x
[19:37] <ubuntivity> popey: every other version has wireless problems with my wireless
[19:38] <ubuntivity> popey: I remember I've tried an external PPA, but the result was not satisfying: the installed version had problems regarding fonts, and couldn't recognize Arabic text nor Arabic fonts.
[19:38] <popey> in fact libreoffice 4.4 is available too https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-4-4
[19:38] <popey> was it that ppa though?
[19:39] <popey> Others exist, that one is official
[19:39] <ubuntivity> I remember I've tried the official PPA from the LibreOffice website
[19:39] <ubuntivity> popey: I also remember it obligating me to remove the previous version before installing the new one
[19:39] <popey> yes, that is normal
[19:40] <ubuntivity> popey: which made me end with a broken, non-downgradable version of LibreOffice
[19:40] <popey> oh dear.
[19:40] <popey> the other option is to get the binary version and just unpack it in a folder
[19:41] <popey> rather than the packaged version
[19:43] <ubuntivity> popey: like a portable program?
[19:44] <ubuntivity> popey: I would like to have my older version present and viable just-in-case
[19:45] <popey> yes, that is possible
[19:45] <popey> you can get the linux build as a tarball, and unpack it in your home directory
[19:45] <ubuntivity> popey: So, the binary version, does it require any compiling/dependencies/etc ???
[19:46] <popey> no
[19:46] <popey> it's ready-built
[19:46] <ubuntivity> popey: where can I download that please??
[19:46] <popey> on their website :)
[19:47] <ubuntivity> and just for the sake of curiosity: is there a text-based presentation file type? so that I can build my own presentation file using bash script?
[19:47]  * popey tries to find it
[19:51] <Myrtti> latex
[19:51] <Myrtti> :-D
[19:52] <Myrtti> ♥  LaTeX + Beamer
[19:52] <Myrtti> r
[19:53] <ubuntivity> popey: on the website, I can only find deb or rpm files
[19:53] <ubuntivity> popey: no pre-compiled version I can see
[19:54] <ubuntivity> popey: hold on.. I think there is a portable versions page
[19:55] <ubuntivity> popey: portable versions are only in .exe formats!!!!
[19:56] <popey> well, another way to do it is download the rpm and unpack it.
[19:56] <popey> and run it from the unpacked directory
[19:56] <popey> might work :)
[19:56] <ubuntivity> popey: will that simply do the job?
[19:56] <popey> or, yeah, find a command line tool, or upgrade the machine...
[19:56] <popey> possibly, not tried
[19:56] <ubuntivity> popey: I'll try it
[19:56] <popey> and I have no 12.04 machines
[19:56] <ubuntivity> popey: but I hope it won't affect my current LibreOffice installation by any means
[19:58] <popey> well, if you're worried, then look for another solution
[19:59] <ubuntivity> popey: I was hoping to dd that old-school
[19:59] <ubuntivity> popey: CLI scripting
[20:26] <diddledan> Myrtti: suits you, girl!
[20:26] <diddledan> gotta love a good bit of LaTeX
[20:28]  * ubuntivity has done his task..... by the tedious drag-and-drop
[20:28] <diddledan> oh myy
[20:28] <diddledan> ubuntivity: you've come undone?!
[20:29] <ubuntivity> diddledan: what are you talking about? who are you anyway?
[20:29]  * diddledan should learn to read
[20:29] <diddledan> who am I, you ask? who aren't I, I retort!
[20:29]  * ubuntivity thinks "yes he should"
[20:30] <ubuntivity> diddledan: are you a bot? a man? an alien? a fridge?
[20:30] <diddledan> yes
[20:31] <zmoylan-pi> the smeganator 2000.  best refrigerator terminator evar!!
[20:31] <diddledan> speaking of bots, I really need to stop procrastinating
[20:31] <zmoylan-pi> procrastinate now! \o/
[20:31]  * ubuntivity is astonished at the smart answer
[20:31] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: at least it's not a depressed toaster
[20:32] <diddledan> or a Paranoid Android
[20:32] <zmoylan-pi> the talkie toaster is dangerous
[20:32] <diddledan> reminds me, I really need to tighten the diodes down my left-hand side
[20:33] <zmoylan-pi> and not replace them?
[20:33] <diddledan> that's expensive
[20:33] <ubuntivity> diddledan: diodes are for ancient people
[20:33] <zmoylan-pi> quantum triodes or nothing?
[20:33] <ubuntivity> diddledan: now it is the age of triodes
[20:34] <diddledan> I prefer bio neural gel packs
[20:34] <diddledan> until they catch the flu, of course
[20:34] <ubuntivity> diddledan: Trio neural gel packs are better
[20:35] <ubuntivity> Biology vs Triology
[20:35] <diddledan> I always try
[20:35] <ubuntivity> Tri harder
[20:35] <diddledan> never succeed, but at least I try.
[20:35] <ubuntivity> Tr(i) even harder
[20:37]  * zmoylan-pi prefers good solid androids available on the streets of dublin at a fair price... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/632595098577018880
[20:39] <diddledan> I'm a right bug creator, a bugger if you will: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1631801
[20:55] <diddledan> wow. https://youtu.be/t6qF5NU-ehU