=== JanC is now known as Guest54043 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === JanC is now known as Guest26650 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === maclin1 is now known as maclin [04:54] .hi [05:23] hikiko: 'lo [05:27] hi duflu :) happy monday! [05:28] hikiko: Happy Monday. Anything to raise the collective tone following that presidential debate [05:29] hahahaha [05:47] Good morning [07:30] good morning desktopers! [07:30] bonjour seb128 ! [07:31] salut pitti, comment ça va ici ? [07:31] as-tu eu un bon week-end ? [07:32] seb128: ça va bien ! le temps était horrible, mais on a joué au badminton la première fois cette saison :) [07:32] et ma rhûme est mieux [07:32] oui, de bonne vacances, le vol de retour était hier donc dimanche c'était voyage et rangement des valises [07:32] le début des activités d'après été ! [07:33] seb128: oh, tu as perdu les valises ? [07:33] seb128: oui, pas plus de travail dans le jardin :) [07:33] non, mais elles étaient pleines de choses à ranger [07:34] Morning pitti, seb128 [07:34] hey duflu [07:34] how are you? [07:34] hey duflu, good day! [07:34] seb128: Alright. You? [07:35] I'm good thanks, going through a stack of email after holidays [07:35] seb128: it's not like we are in a release week, so no hurry :) [07:35] lol [07:35] I hope you guys did some good bug fixing job while I was away! [07:35] did the systemd user session got completed? [07:36] no, that indicator PPA still didn't land :( [07:36] good morning pitti! duflu! [07:36] seb128: I made it a fair bit less ugly, though (had some good input at systemd.conf) [07:36] Morning didrocks [07:36] oh, right, how was the conference? [07:37] seb128: and Laney found/fixed some issues too [07:37] I though the indicators were needed otherwise things were flacky though? [07:37] what blocked that from landing? [07:37] seb128: really good; mostly a social week of course (OMG pub and beer for 9 days in a row ☺ ), but some interesting presentations, and productive hackfest [07:37] seb128: I don't know, haven't gotten an answer from Ted yet [07:38] seb128: it actually works without upstart, then they just get started in gnome-session.service [07:38] but I still need to port the unity greeter (lightdm), and that's blocked by that PPA [07:38] that's the only (formal) upstart rdepends that's left [07:38] so, *shrug*, early z I hope [07:39] right [07:39] seb128: and bug 1626651 was fun to debug :) [07:39] bug 1626651 in policykit-1 (Ubuntu) "brightness keys are handled slower in Yakkety than Xenial" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1626651 [07:40] oh, pam fun, nice ;-) [07:41] coffee, brb [07:41] seb128: it actually didn't take that long after all, jderose gave me the right push [07:57] morning gang [07:59] good morning willcooke [07:59] hey seb128! Welcome back, we missed you :) Did you have a good holiday? [07:59] thanks! [07:59] yes, holidays were great [07:59] \o/. [07:59] >30°C in Spain still [08:00] niiiiiice [08:00] quite a difference this morning, 7°C here, brrrr [08:00] ha, yes, same here [08:00] Cold, but a little sun - so quite nice really [08:00] how is the release going? [08:00] clear skies [08:00] Release is OK [08:00] I'm going through email still [08:00] u8 session landed? [08:01] Issues about installing on UEFI are fixed AIUI [08:01] U8 is in [08:01] seems that took a bit more turns still before being ready though? [08:01] it didn't break $things/unity7? [08:01] yeah, a few little bits and pieces, but was OK. [08:01] k, good [08:01] Nothing that I've found yet [08:01] Morning willcooke [08:01] Welcome back seb128 [08:02] hey flexiondotorg, thanks, and welcome to you! [08:02] :-) [08:02] There are a couple of annoyances about the error reporter popping up in the U7 session reporting problems from the U8 one. But I think that people who are playing with U8 will know whats going on [08:02] hope you didn't have a too rough start [08:02] I need to check that Terminal is actually in now, wasn't clear what was going on last week [08:02] seb128, No, I'm settling in thanks. [08:02] and then I have to write a blog post thingy [08:02] great [08:02] morning flexiondotorg [08:02] o/ [08:03] release week, does it mean Laney is visiting London? ;-) [08:05] seb128, Laney is having difficulties getting connected. [08:05] the question was rather to know if there is a release sprint at the office [08:05] and if we have anyone from desktop there [08:06] I haven't heard anything about a release sprint at all this time [08:06] flexiondotorg, like his dsl line is not working? or like he's in London? you didn't really reply to my question ;-) [08:06] weeeird [08:07] right then [08:07] restarting n-m fixed it [08:07] :| [08:07] :|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| [08:07] hey Laney! [08:07] HI! [08:07] hey seb128! [08:07] Morning Laney [08:07] how's it going? [08:07] hey Laney, good morning! good weekend? [08:08] just read the telegrams [08:08] * didrocks sees that pitti is telling good morning to everyone but ignored didrocks good morning *sad violon music* :) [08:08] hey Laney! [08:08] didrocks, did you ever report that bug to upstream n-m on b.g.o? they are usually responsive and it would maybe help to get it resolved [08:08] * pitti donne une accolade à didrocks et le souhaite un bon jour ! [08:09] "lui souhaite", non? [08:09] seb128: I reported on launchpad, didn't on b.g.o as you told me the logs don't really uncovered anything [08:09] seb128: also note that I tried on fedora, did multiple reboots, works all the time [08:09] pitti: "lui souhaite" or just "souhaite" or even "te souhaite" [08:10] didrocks, yeah, the log don't have much info but upstream might know what to ask or what component to blame [08:10] * didrocks donne une accolade en retour à pitti [08:10] I would open one anyway [08:10] hey didrocks & pitti [08:10] I need to find them back (or at least, find the bug I reported on launchpad) [08:10] but I never saw that issue here [08:10] intel graphics stack is crap for me in recent versions [08:10] pitti: good thanks; climbing, dinner with friends, hanging out & reading - pretty quiet [08:10] but other components work fine [08:10] what about you? [08:11] seb128: avoided the sunburn? ;-) [08:11] seb128: do you use wifi often? [08:11] no london sprint this week [08:11] yes, I had my Ubuntu cap! [08:11] and some sun blocker [08:11] didrocks, yes, I use it 90% of the time [08:12] there is no ethernet cable going where I've my main desk [08:12] interesting, I guess it depends on the card/AP setup [08:12] yes [08:12] * Laney uses it too a lot, just fine here [08:12] is your issue on fresh boot has well? [08:12] or after suspend/resume? [08:12] on both [08:13] mostly getting it on fresh boot every morning [08:13] even at conference? [08:13] or specific to your home config? [08:13] happens as well at some conference [08:13] never got it on canonical network though [08:13] but yeah, mostly, everyday, I now power up my laptopt [08:13] laptop* [08:13] and go to do something else for a good 5 minutes [08:14] I have to come back sometimes because n-m stops trying to connect [08:14] so relaunching it [08:14] and have to reenter my passphrase === maclin1 is now known as maclin [08:14] :-/ [08:14] you should open it on bgo they seem responsive and might know what to ask [08:14] daily experience from the past 6 months now, getting use to it :( [08:15] will do then, I wonder if anyone looks at the bugs on our side though, the one on lp stayed dead [08:16] thanks [08:16] happyaron is supposed to... [08:17] didrocks: what wifi card do you have I had a similar sounding issue with my ethernet card and I had to change the mtu 8192, not sure if the same solution would help you [08:18] 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04) [08:18] 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] (rev 34) [08:18] for the wifi ^ [08:19] davmor2: you had like a 5 minutes to get an ip/authenticated with your AP? [08:19] cuz no clue for too many stuff... [08:20] didrocks: I'll have a look through my hardware and see if I have a similar card, one thing you might want to do is see if it has powersave mode enabled and if it does disable it and see if that affects it [08:20] many of them could be kernel bugs but I have no direct proof... [08:20] happyaron, hey! no clue is fine, that's when we forward to upstream to see if they have some ;-) [08:20] I see [08:20] well don't forward every weird bug [08:21] yep I know, :) [08:21] but the ones that impact quite some users and come often as complain from an Ubuntu version are worth forwarding [08:21] it's often upstream issues at the end [08:21] davmor2: I tried disabling power saving already, didn't really help [08:21] didrocks: do you have latest firmware installed? [08:22] happyaron: is there new firmwares? [08:22] are* [08:22] what's your installed version? [08:22] see above ^ rev 34 I guess [08:23] just accidentally poured water from the kettle on myself [08:23] :( [08:23] didrocks: :( try picking on the kernel team and cyphermox and awe when they are on [08:24] davmor2: cyphermox doesn't handle n-m anymore, I tried to ping him [08:24] Laney: ijit you okay? run it under cold water asap [08:24] didrocks: ah I mean the linux-firmware package. and look at boot syslog to see which ucode it loads [08:24] I poked c_yphermox about something which sounds a bit like this problem last week. He's pretty sure it's driver related [08:25] should be things like /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-8000C-22.ucode [08:25] didrocks: it's true but he also did it so long that he might have pointers that other people don't :) [08:25] happyaron: well, I though be updated, right? I'm on latest xenial, or is there anything else I should do [08:25] the bugs around these problems are a real mess as well, lots of "me toos" for what are actually different problems. [08:25] davmor2: happyaron is the new maintainer, that's why I pinged him moons ago :) [08:25] yeah, I bet [08:25] I've only experienced the wifi issues with Intel wifi chpsets, but not all Intel wifi chipsets. [08:26] happyaron: ah, I only have iwlwifi-8000C-16.ucode [08:26] flexiondotorg: and their firmware fixes are almost disabling features... [08:26] Broadcom and Atheros installed into an affected computer resolved the issue. [08:26] (on xenial) [08:26] davmor2: it mostly went into my jumper [08:26] but have done [08:26] As did install an Intel 8260 (<- I think) [08:27] didrocks: would you mind to try a new kernel + linux-firmware package? [08:27] (nothing in syslog tells me what ucode I'm using) [08:27] i.e. from yakkety [08:27] happyaron: hum, are we sure they are going to work well on xenial, like modules are tested? [08:27] nope, but you can boot back to old kernel anyway [08:27] Laney, seb128 I'm working on several themes fixes. Multiple bugs to be referenced. [08:28] What is the process for an SRU when it addresses multiple bugs? [08:28] happyaron: don't we have that backported anyway with hardware enablement on the LTS? [08:28] Each bugs becames an SRU? [08:28] happyaron: because if there is something I can just enable to use this stack (even if in -proposed), that would be even better to bug proof for our users [08:29] but there's a major bump of kernel version in yakkety [08:29] and only newer kernel would take a newer implementation of the iwlwifi firmware [08:30] oh ok, so I guess I need to manually install new linux-image, & co [08:30] could do that, but not today as it's not a 10 minutes thing :) [08:30] Hi,all. Who can help to upload ubiquity-slideshow pacakge to ubuntu. The url is https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html. Thanks! [08:31] i.e. intel may fix some bug in iwlwifi-8000C-16.ucode and update it, but they also develop new things like iwlwifi-8000C-22.ucode, and that fixed 802.1X problem for myself on thinkpad [08:31] flexiondotorg: That's right, each fix needs to be verified [08:32] ok, let's see then! will test. Thanks happyaron :) [08:39] moin [08:40] * Sweet5hark thinks he found a hotfix for the "white tab" issues with libreoffice-gtk3 ... [08:50] Sweet5hark, Morning === meetingology` is now known as meetingology [09:03] hey Sweet5hark, how are you? [09:04] sorry, tried to reply earlier but seems some IRC servers issue [09:04] fun!!! [09:06] what go on [09:10] morning [09:10] hey seb128, welcome back! [09:10] thanks! [09:10] how was time off? [09:11] hey andyrock, how are you? had a good w.e? [09:11] kind of... some hiking on sunday [09:11] you? [09:11] Sweet5hark, great, spain, sun & 30°C, visited some nice cities, had good wine&tapas, did some swimming in the ocean [09:11] andyrock, good, just back from holidays [09:12] seb128: that sounds really awesome! [09:12] it was great :-) [09:12] 30° in october [09:13] SICKENING [09:13] right [09:13] I put my summer clothes when I got out of bed this morning [09:13] then realized that it's 7°C here [09:13] brrrr [09:13] Laney: lets burn some more coal to bring 30 Celsius in october home to us here in the north. [09:13] seb128: where have you been in Spain? [09:14] andyrock, Andalousia, Malaga, Cadix, Sevilla, Cordovia, etc [09:14] 34°C in Sevilla [09:15] I don't want to go there in middle of summer [09:15] nice! [09:16] * Sweet5hark was at his new appartment on Saturday night, wanted to take bus home. Should have had to wait for 13 minutes for the right bus. It was 4 celsius and I still had summer clothes on. Decided to take a rental bike instead to keep myself a bit warmer by moving. [09:17] Sweet5hark, when do you move? [09:17] end of this month. [09:18] well, Im trying to move some stuff over bit by bit already, so the "real" move day isnt that hard anymore. [09:31] cyphermox: Hi, can you help to upload ubiquity-slideshow pacakge to ubuntu? The url is https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html [09:35] oh, hmm. seems dsa crypto was broken for good by heninger et al. [09:51] how come we don't have exfat support out of the box? (I just plugged in a brand new micro SD card that comes pre-formatted with exfat) [09:57] How can I grab a screenshot from lightdm? [09:58] chrisccoulson: Licensing... IIRC [09:58] ? [09:59] Which is amusing given Windows machines are now the only machines that don't support large FAT-32 drives [09:59] I guess the reason is Microsoft wants you using ExFAT [10:03] willcooke: in a VM you can do it from virt-manager [10:03] virtual machine -> take screenshot [10:05] plan [10:05] ta [10:08] or else xwd -root after exporting DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY (I think) should do it [10:44] seb128, Laney - either of you guys know much gstreamer / clutter? There is a problem causing U8 to hang if you press print screen. https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525285 [10:44] Ubuntu bug 1525285 in clutter-gst-3.0 (Ubuntu) "inspecting clutter plugin hangs outside X11" [High,Triaged] [10:50] willcooke: not loads, is is urgent? [10:50] doesn't seem to be forwarded from that bug at least [10:50] Laney, there are a couple of people who can take a look who know more, so lets wait and see for now [10:50] thanks [10:53] willcooke: Would be nice to see it sent upstream - maybe affects wayland too [10:53] Laney, ack will suggest that once I know who is looking at it [10:54] gstreamer upstream are often good at fixing stuff too ;-) [10:55] otherwise, can try to climb the hill of knowledge [10:55] to gaze upon the fields of englightenmtn === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [11:35] willcooke, same as Laney, I don't know offhand but I'm happy to have a look [11:35] thanks seb128 - lets see how Jim gets on [11:37] chrisccoulson, dunno but it's annoying, we don't even have working exfat support in the archive, I realized a few days into my holidays that I couldn't copy the photo from my camera on my laptop because of that, exfat-utils didn't work, gives random errors, every few tries I could see the DCIM directory on the card but it never worked good enough to get the content :-/ [11:47] seb128: hey, welcome back... how was your holidays? [11:47] * Trevinho had to take the morning out since recovering from the yesterday's flu :-/ [11:48] Trevinho, hey, holidays was great, sunny & warm in Spain, saw some nice cities, had wine&tapas ;-) [11:48] * Laney hugs Trevinho (not too close) [11:48] Trevinho, oh, flu, get better! [11:49] Laney: lol :-D [11:49] seb128: awesome... Was andalusia or where? [11:49] seb128: I love spain :-) === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [11:59] flexiondotorg: Are you working on bug #1623856 right now? [11:59] bug 1623856 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Updated gtk element means you need to specify a size on the details drop down or it is only 1 line high" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623856 [12:00] * Laney could fix that quickly [12:00] unless you want the exercise [12:17] seb128: so I have a very hackish (but low risk) patch for bug 1527053. What to do with it? 0-day SRU, I guess? Ugly/Hackish in that it hardcodes/special cases Ubuntu themes in the LibreOffice gtk3 backend, because doing generic changes/fix here might break more (themes) as this is one leftover area were LO still "manually" paints widgets imitating gtk, which is fragile. [12:17] bug 1527053 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Tab names unreadable in GTK3 in Ubuntu" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1527053 [12:18] Laney, Yes I am. [12:25] Rightooooooooooooo [12:27] Hi,all. Who can help to upload ubiquity-slideshow pacakge to ubuntu. The url is https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html. Thanks! [12:32] Trevinho, sorry was eating, yes andalusia, Malaga, Cadix, Sevilla, Cordova, etc [12:33] Sweet5hark, your call, how much does it impact default experience? we could probably still justify an upload today [12:34] Sweet5hark, in any case prepare the update and let's upload with a bug reference, that can be converted to a SRU if r-t prefers that [12:47] * flexiondotorg goes lunch hunting [12:56] ooohhhhhhhh kay [12:56] Looks like I've lost my encrypted swap [12:57] davmor2: didrocks: what's with n-m? [12:59] willcooke: his wifi connection is dying all the while I'm assuming it is a driver based issue maybe but figured you might be able to give him some hints and tips to see if it helps [12:59] cyphermox: Hi, can you help to upload ubiquity-slideshow pacakge to ubuntu? The url is https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html [12:59] cyphermox: ^ even sorry willcooke [13:00] pishuilu: I got it the first time you wrote that, it will be done [13:00] davmor2: that would be more likely drivers [13:02] cyphermox: yeah that's what I thought but didrocks would need to be that one to confirm I can't reproduce it here [13:02] cyphermox: OK, thanks very much! [13:04] seb128: k (sorry for the delay, was in a call). As for impact: I think it will raise severe complains unfixed, but it is a nuisance if it is _temporary_ (one can still read the tab labels with some effort, tabbed dialogs arent used too frequently in a common workflow). but yeah, will prep the package. [13:04] Sweet5hark, thanks [13:10] davmor2: ok I'll let him chime in [13:16] dpm, popey, hey guys Do you know why clock app has the snappy related files on github instead of the trunk on lp? [13:17] is this some kind of rule? We are adding the necessary files on trunk for core apps. [13:20] seb128: yeah, I've been there too a couple of years ago... Awesome cities, delicious food... [13:21] indeed! [13:26] renato__, there is no particular reason other than we added the snapcraft.yaml and other files to the snappy-playpen project in github. The code can go to the clock app trunk, as we did for calculator already [13:28] dpm, will be nice to have the code on trunk, to setup the automatic snappy package build. Or is possible to do that from git? [13:29] renato__, I think it's not possible from git, unless the branch is imported into LP. [14:23] willcooke, did we end up switching the google api key to the new one? [14:23] geoloc seems to still not be working here [14:23] seb128, yeah it's switched but there are still problems. qengho is chasing up with Google [14:23] which kind? the new one got over quota as well?! [14:25] its generating thousands of errors still [14:26] :-/ [14:27] the graph is interesting [14:27] seb128: do you mean in Firefox? because FF49 with the change is stuck in proposed because it doesn't build on ppc64el [14:27] still looking at the same url, unsure if that represents the old key [14:27] for yakkety [14:27] jbicha, I'm using xenial [14:27] oh right [14:27] also the issue is that our google api key is being spammed [14:27] it goes over the quota and stops working [14:29] willcooke, the graph went down to like 30% of the requests it had, I wonder if whatever is generating the requests is using e.g our firefox package and that the number went down as the machines got updated [14:30] it's a bit crazy that we can't get more info on the issuze [14:30] that's exactly what qengho is working on, getting someone to tell us what the heck is goingon [14:30] it means basically anyone can DoS the key from somebody else without issue [14:30] yeah [14:30] At this point I wouldn't be surprised if its something we're doing wrong [14:30] same [14:30] but I still hope it's someone spamming us [14:31] it's a bit weird [14:31] the graph has a linear decrease [14:31] it's like machines were upgraded over time [14:32] if that was some script work from somebody I would expect the key to be changed at some point to the new one [14:32] and the old one to stop being used [14:34] yeah, seems quite sophisticated for someone who just "borrowed" our keys [14:34] yeah [14:35] also it has the exact same sine-wave pattern every day with a spike of successful request at the same time [14:36] well those successful spikes stopped on septembre 28th it seems [14:36] strange [14:38] well, if it's tied to Firefox installs, maybe it's a misbehaving FF extension? [14:42] jbicha, we don't know what it's tied to, the graph is http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/geolockey.png [14:42] green is the errors, blue is the success [14:42] we don't have details on the caller software, ips, or anything [14:43] What the heck is using the speech api? [14:44] the wave is a bit too regular for being random webbrowser use I would say [14:44] willcooke, speech? [15:10] seb128, sorry, missed your comment - what do you mean, like "what is the speech api" or "we are using it for speech" [15:11] willcooke, I didn't understand your " What the heck is using the speech api?" [15:12] I though we were looking at the geoloc one [15:12] I guess some misunderstanding from something I said earlier? [15:12] seb128, ah right [15:13] so with the Google API it seems you get "an API" and then you use that API for all GOOG services [15:13] and as far as I can tell, we shouldnt be hitting the Speech API at all, but yet it shows on the graph that we are [15:13] I think the limits are per service though, not per key [15:14] so that in itself isn't killing our location api usage [15:14] but it looks like it's being used by /something/ [15:14] which is odd. [15:14] *an API *KEY* [15:14] *use that API *key*# [15:17] attente: if you're around, could you review that branch I requested you on please? [15:23] Laney, I'#ve been looking at LP: #1623856 [15:23] Launchpad bug 1623856 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Updated gtk element means you need to specify a size on the details drop down or it is only 1 line high" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623856 [15:24] You said you have a quick fix. [15:24] I'd be interested to get a hint. [15:24] Because I've tweaked the "obvious" selectors without success :-( [15:25] flexiondotorg: In the .ui file, set the min-content-height on the scrolled window containing the details textview [15:26] since it's a data file, you can seb128 it up and hack that on the installed package to test [15:26] :-) [15:26] So your suggesting changing the .ui of the application to resolve this? [15:26] Ya [15:26] :-) [15:26] Hmmm. [15:27] So, this issue is not visible using other themes. [15:27] I was working on a theme change. [15:28] You think it's a general problem with scrolled windows? [15:29] Well, That was my assumption. [15:30] Other applications using aptdaemon gtk3 widgets exhibit the same issue. [15:33] For example the Adwaita, Arc and Ubuntu MATE themes do not exhibit the issue. [15:40] Dunno then [15:40] Use the inspector to find out what property is different [15:41] I'm starting to thing some from gtk-3.0 is being used. [15:41] *think [15:49] flexiondotorg: Is it because they set a higher min-height on the scrollbar slider? [15:49] I'll check... [15:53] is canada off today? [15:54] Laney, minor progress. [15:54] Looks like scales. [15:55] Laney: yes, happy Thanksgiving :) [15:55] flexiondotorg: you what [15:55] scale.vertical slider [15:55] Not just that. [15:56] Poking at it. [15:56] scale?!?! [15:56] Laney, http://www.officeholidays.com/upcoming/index.php [15:56] where's one of those? [15:57] seb128: the secretary's list this morning was INCOMPLETE! [16:02] Sorry Laney :) [16:03] I'll add that site to my checklist [16:03] haha [16:04] no worries [16:04] I thought they were entered into the website already [16:04] * Laney cowboys some uploads in [16:05] davmor2: meow? any chance of a favour? [16:05] wow Laney is a cat [16:05] Laney: what's up dude? [16:06] davmor2: can you hack /usr/share/applications/ubuntu-system-settings.desktop and add OnlyShowIn=Unity8 to the bottom, just check that works properly quickly please? [16:08] Laney: sure give me 5 [16:09] ta duck [16:14]