[04:54] <hikiko> .hi
[05:23] <duflu> hikiko: 'lo
[05:27] <hikiko> hi duflu :) happy monday!
[05:28] <duflu> hikiko: Happy Monday. Anything to raise the collective tone following that presidential debate
[05:29] <hikiko> hahahaha
[05:47] <pitti> Good morning
[07:30] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[07:30] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[07:31] <seb128> salut pitti, comment ça va ici ?
[07:31] <pitti> as-tu eu un bon week-end ?
[07:32] <pitti> seb128: ça va bien ! le temps était horrible, mais on a joué au badminton la première fois cette saison :)
[07:32] <pitti> et ma rhûme est mieux
[07:32] <seb128> oui, de bonne vacances, le vol de retour était hier donc dimanche c'était voyage et rangement des valises
[07:32] <seb128> le début des activités d'après été !
[07:33] <pitti> seb128: oh, tu as perdu les valises ?
[07:33] <pitti> seb128: oui, pas plus de travail dans le jardin :)
[07:33] <seb128> non, mais elles étaient pleines de choses à ranger
[07:34] <duflu> Morning pitti, seb128
[07:34] <seb128> hey duflu
[07:34] <seb128> how are you?
[07:34] <pitti> hey duflu, good day!
[07:34] <duflu> seb128: Alright. You?
[07:35] <seb128> I'm good thanks, going through a stack of email after holidays
[07:35] <pitti> seb128: it's not like we are in a release week, so no hurry :)
[07:35] <seb128> lol
[07:35] <seb128> I hope you guys did some good bug fixing job while I was away!
[07:35] <seb128> did the systemd user session got completed?
[07:36] <pitti> no, that indicator PPA still didn't land :(
[07:36] <didrocks> good morning pitti! duflu!
[07:36] <pitti> seb128: I made it a fair bit less ugly, though (had some good input at systemd.conf)
[07:36] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:36] <seb128> oh, right, how was the conference?
[07:37] <pitti> seb128: and Laney found/fixed some issues too
[07:37] <seb128> I though the indicators were needed otherwise things were flacky though?
[07:37] <seb128> what blocked that from landing?
[07:37] <pitti> seb128: really good; mostly a social week of course (OMG pub and beer for 9 days in a row ☺ ), but some interesting presentations, and productive hackfest
[07:37] <pitti> seb128: I don't know, haven't gotten an answer from Ted yet
[07:38] <pitti> seb128: it actually works without upstart, then they just get started in gnome-session.service
[07:38] <pitti> but I still need to port the unity greeter (lightdm), and that's blocked by that PPA
[07:38] <pitti> that's the only (formal) upstart rdepends that's left
[07:38] <pitti> so, *shrug*, early z I hope
[07:39] <seb128> right
[07:39] <pitti> seb128: and bug 1626651 was fun to debug :)
[07:40] <seb128> oh, pam fun, nice ;-)
[07:41] <seb128> coffee, brb
[07:41] <pitti> seb128: it actually didn't take that long after all, jderose gave me the right push
[07:57] <willcooke> morning gang
[07:59] <seb128> good morning willcooke
[07:59] <willcooke> hey seb128! Welcome back, we missed you :)  Did you have a good holiday?
[07:59] <seb128> thanks!
[07:59] <seb128> yes, holidays were great
[07:59] <willcooke> \o/.
[07:59] <seb128> >30°C in Spain still
[08:00] <willcooke> niiiiiice
[08:00] <seb128> quite a difference this morning, 7°C here, brrrr
[08:00] <willcooke> ha, yes, same here
[08:00] <willcooke> Cold, but a little sun - so quite nice really
[08:00] <seb128> how is the release going?
[08:00] <willcooke> clear skies
[08:00] <willcooke> Release is OK
[08:00] <seb128> I'm going through email still
[08:00] <seb128> u8 session landed?
[08:01] <willcooke> Issues about installing on UEFI are fixed AIUI
[08:01] <willcooke> U8 is in
[08:01] <seb128> seems that took a bit more turns still before being ready though?
[08:01] <seb128> it didn't break $things/unity7?
[08:01] <willcooke> yeah, a few little bits and pieces, but was OK.
[08:01] <seb128> k, good
[08:01] <willcooke> Nothing that I've found yet
[08:01] <flexiondotorg> Morning willcooke
[08:01] <flexiondotorg> Welcome back seb128
[08:02] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg, thanks, and welcome to you!
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> :-)
[08:02] <willcooke> There are a couple of annoyances about the error reporter popping up in the U7 session reporting problems from the U8 one.  But I think that people who are playing with U8 will know whats going on
[08:02] <seb128> hope you didn't have a too rough start
[08:02] <willcooke> I need to check that Terminal is actually in now, wasn't clear what was going on last week
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> seb128, No, I'm settling in thanks.
[08:02] <willcooke> and then I have to write a blog post thingy
[08:02] <seb128> great
[08:02] <willcooke> morning flexiondotorg
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> o/
[08:03] <seb128> release week, does it mean Laney is visiting London? ;-)
[08:05] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Laney is having difficulties getting connected.
[08:05] <seb128> the question was rather to know if there is a release sprint at the office
[08:05] <seb128> and if we have anyone from desktop there
[08:06] <willcooke> I haven't heard anything about a release sprint at all this time
[08:06] <seb128> flexiondotorg, like his dsl line is not working? or like he's in London? you didn't really reply to my question ;-)
[08:06] <seb128> weeeird
[08:07] <Laney> right then
[08:07] <Laney> restarting n-m fixed it
[08:07] <Laney> :|
[08:07] <Laney> :||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
[08:07] <seb128> hey Laney!
[08:07] <Laney> HI!
[08:07] <Laney> hey seb128!
[08:07] <flexiondotorg> Morning Laney
[08:07] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:07] <pitti> hey Laney, good morning! good weekend?
[08:08] <seb128> just read the telegrams
[08:08]  * didrocks sees that pitti is telling good morning to everyone but ignored didrocks good morning *sad violon music* :)
[08:08] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[08:08] <seb128> didrocks, did you ever report that bug to upstream n-m on b.g.o? they are usually responsive and it would maybe help to get it resolved
[08:08]  * pitti donne une accolade à didrocks et le souhaite un bon jour !
[08:09] <pitti> "lui souhaite", non?
[08:09] <didrocks> seb128: I reported on launchpad, didn't on b.g.o as you told me the logs don't really uncovered anything
[08:09] <didrocks> seb128: also note that I tried on fedora, did multiple reboots, works all the time
[08:09] <didrocks> pitti: "lui souhaite" or just "souhaite" or even "te souhaite"
[08:10] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, the log don't have much info but upstream might know what to ask or what component to blame
[08:10]  * didrocks donne une accolade en retour à pitti
[08:10] <seb128> I would open one anyway
[08:10] <Laney> hey didrocks & pitti
[08:10] <didrocks> I need to find them back (or at least, find the bug I reported on launchpad)
[08:10] <seb128> but I never saw that issue here
[08:10] <seb128> intel graphics stack is crap for me in recent versions
[08:10] <Laney> pitti: good thanks; climbing, dinner with friends, hanging out & reading - pretty quiet
[08:10] <seb128> but other components work fine
[08:10] <Laney> what about you?
[08:11] <Laney> seb128: avoided the sunburn? ;-)
[08:11] <didrocks> seb128: do you use wifi often?
[08:11] <Laney> no london sprint this week
[08:11] <seb128> yes, I had my Ubuntu cap!
[08:11] <seb128> and some sun blocker
[08:11] <seb128> didrocks, yes, I use it 90% of the time
[08:12] <seb128> there is no ethernet cable going where I've my main desk
[08:12] <didrocks> interesting, I guess it depends on the card/AP setup
[08:12] <seb128> yes
[08:12]  * Laney uses it too a lot, just fine here
[08:12] <seb128> is your issue on fresh boot has well?
[08:12] <seb128> or after suspend/resume?
[08:12] <didrocks> on both
[08:13] <didrocks> mostly getting it on fresh boot every morning
[08:13] <seb128> even at conference?
[08:13] <seb128> or specific to your home config?
[08:13] <didrocks> happens as well at some conference
[08:13] <didrocks> never got it on canonical network though
[08:13] <didrocks> but yeah, mostly, everyday, I now power up my laptopt
[08:13] <didrocks> laptop*
[08:13] <didrocks> and go to do something else for a good 5 minutes
[08:14] <didrocks> I have to come back sometimes because n-m stops trying to connect
[08:14] <didrocks> so relaunching it
[08:14] <didrocks> and have to reenter my passphrase
[08:14] <seb128> :-/
[08:14] <seb128> you should open it on bgo they seem responsive and might know what to ask
[08:14] <didrocks> daily experience from the past 6 months now, getting use to it :(
[08:15] <didrocks> will do then, I wonder if anyone looks at the bugs on our side though, the one on lp stayed dead
[08:16] <seb128> thanks
[08:16] <seb128> happyaron is supposed to...
[08:17] <davmor2> didrocks: what wifi card do you have I had a similar sounding issue with my ethernet card and I had to change the mtu 8192, not sure if the same solution would help you
[08:18] <didrocks> 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04)
[08:18] <didrocks> 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] (rev 34)
[08:18] <didrocks> for the wifi ^
[08:19] <didrocks> davmor2: you had like a 5 minutes to get an ip/authenticated with your AP?
[08:19] <happyaron> cuz no clue for too many stuff...
[08:20] <davmor2> didrocks: I'll have a look through my hardware and see if I have a similar card, one thing you might want to do is see if it has powersave mode enabled and if it does disable it and see if that affects it
[08:20] <happyaron> many of them could be kernel bugs but I have no direct proof...
[08:20] <seb128> happyaron, hey! no clue is fine, that's when we forward to upstream to see if they have some ;-)
[08:20] <happyaron> I see
[08:20] <seb128> well don't forward every weird bug
[08:21] <happyaron> yep I know, :)
[08:21] <seb128> but the ones that impact quite some users and come often as complain from an Ubuntu version are worth forwarding
[08:21] <seb128> it's often upstream issues at the end
[08:21] <didrocks> davmor2: I tried disabling power saving already, didn't really help
[08:21] <happyaron> didrocks: do you have latest firmware installed?
[08:22] <didrocks> happyaron: is there new firmwares?
[08:22] <didrocks> are*
[08:22] <happyaron> what's your installed version?
[08:22] <didrocks> see above ^ rev 34 I guess
[08:23] <Laney> just accidentally poured water from the kettle on myself
[08:23] <Laney> :(
[08:23] <davmor2> didrocks: :(  try picking on the kernel team and cyphermox and awe when they are on
[08:24] <didrocks> davmor2: cyphermox doesn't handle n-m anymore, I tried to ping him
[08:24] <davmor2> Laney: ijit you okay? run it under cold water asap
[08:24] <happyaron> didrocks: ah I mean the linux-firmware package. and look at boot syslog to see which ucode it loads
[08:24] <willcooke> I poked c_yphermox about something which sounds a bit like this problem last week.  He's pretty sure it's driver related
[08:25] <happyaron> should be things like /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-8000C-22.ucode
[08:25] <davmor2> didrocks: it's true but he also did it so long that he might have pointers that other people don't :)
[08:25] <didrocks> happyaron: well, I though be updated, right? I'm on latest xenial, or is there anything else I should do
[08:25] <willcooke> the bugs around these problems are a real mess as well, lots of "me toos" for what are actually different problems.
[08:25] <didrocks> davmor2: happyaron is the new maintainer, that's why I pinged him moons ago :)
[08:25] <didrocks> yeah, I bet
[08:25] <flexiondotorg> I've only experienced the wifi issues with Intel wifi chpsets, but not all Intel wifi chipsets.
[08:26] <didrocks> happyaron: ah, I only have iwlwifi-8000C-16.ucode
[08:26] <happyaron> flexiondotorg: and their firmware fixes are almost disabling features...
[08:26] <flexiondotorg> Broadcom and Atheros installed into an affected computer resolved the issue.
[08:26] <didrocks> (on xenial)
[08:26] <Laney> davmor2: it mostly went into my jumper
[08:26] <Laney> but have done
[08:26] <flexiondotorg> As did install an Intel 8260 (<- I think)
[08:27] <happyaron> didrocks: would you mind to try a new kernel + linux-firmware package?
[08:27] <didrocks> (nothing in syslog tells me what ucode I'm using)
[08:27] <happyaron> i.e. from yakkety
[08:27] <didrocks> happyaron: hum, are we sure they are going to work well on xenial, like modules are tested?
[08:27] <happyaron> nope, but you can boot back to old kernel anyway
[08:27] <flexiondotorg> Laney, seb128 I'm working on several themes fixes. Multiple bugs to be referenced.
[08:28] <flexiondotorg> What is the process for an SRU when it addresses multiple bugs?
[08:28] <didrocks> happyaron: don't we have that backported anyway with hardware enablement on the LTS?
[08:28] <flexiondotorg> Each bugs becames an SRU?
[08:28] <didrocks> happyaron: because if there is something I can just enable to use this stack (even if in -proposed), that would be even better to bug proof for our users
[08:29] <happyaron> but there's a major bump of kernel version in yakkety
[08:29] <happyaron> and only newer kernel would take a newer implementation of the iwlwifi firmware
[08:30] <didrocks> oh ok, so I guess I need to manually install new linux-image, & co
[08:30] <didrocks> could do that, but not today as it's not a 10 minutes thing :)
[08:30] <pishuilu> Hi,all. Who can help to upload ubiquity-slideshow pacakge to ubuntu. The url is https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html. Thanks!
[08:31] <happyaron> i.e. intel may fix some bug in iwlwifi-8000C-16.ucode and update it, but they also develop new things like iwlwifi-8000C-22.ucode, and that fixed 802.1X problem for myself on thinkpad
[08:31] <Laney> flexiondotorg: That's right, each fix needs to be verified
[08:32] <didrocks> ok, let's see then! will test. Thanks happyaron :)
[08:39] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:40]  * Sweet5hark thinks he found a hotfix for the "white tab" issues with libreoffice-gtk3 ...
[08:50] <flexiondotorg> Sweet5hark, Morning
[09:03] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark, how are you?
[09:04] <seb128> sorry, tried to reply earlier but seems some IRC servers issue
[09:04] <willcooke> fun!!!
[09:06] <Laney> what go on
[09:10] <andyrock> morning
[09:10] <Sweet5hark> hey seb128, welcome back!
[09:10] <seb128> thanks!
[09:10] <Sweet5hark> how was time off?
[09:11] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you? had a good w.e?
[09:11] <andyrock> kind of... some hiking on sunday
[09:11] <andyrock> you?
[09:11] <seb128> Sweet5hark, great, spain, sun & 30°C, visited some nice cities, had good wine&tapas, did some swimming in the ocean
[09:11] <seb128> andyrock, good, just back from holidays
[09:12] <Sweet5hark> seb128: that sounds really awesome!
[09:12] <seb128> it was great :-)
[09:12] <Laney> 30° in october
[09:13] <Laney> SICKENING
[09:13] <seb128> right
[09:13] <seb128> I put my summer clothes when I got out of bed this morning
[09:13] <seb128> then realized that it's 7°C here
[09:13] <seb128> brrrr
[09:13] <Sweet5hark> Laney: lets burn some more coal to bring 30 Celsius in october home to us here in the north.
[09:13] <andyrock> seb128: where have you been in Spain?
[09:14] <seb128> andyrock, Andalousia, Malaga, Cadix, Sevilla, Cordovia, etc
[09:14] <seb128> 34°C in Sevilla
[09:15] <seb128> I don't want to go there in middle of summer
[09:15] <andyrock> nice!
[09:16]  * Sweet5hark was at his new appartment on Saturday night, wanted to take bus home. Should have had to wait for 13 minutes for the right bus. It was 4 celsius and I still had summer clothes on. Decided to take a rental bike instead to keep myself a bit warmer by moving.
[09:17] <seb128> Sweet5hark, when do you move?
[09:17] <Sweet5hark> end of this month.
[09:18] <Sweet5hark> well, Im trying to move some stuff over bit by bit already, so the "real" move day isnt that hard anymore.
[09:31] <pishuilu> cyphermox: Hi, can you help to upload ubiquity-slideshow pacakge to ubuntu? The url is https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html
[09:35] <Sweet5hark> oh, hmm. seems dsa crypto was broken for good by heninger et al.
[09:51] <chrisccoulson> how come we don't have exfat support out of the box? (I just plugged in a brand new micro SD card that comes pre-formatted with exfat)
[09:57] <willcooke> How can I grab a screenshot from lightdm?
[09:58] <duflu> chrisccoulson: Licensing... IIRC
[09:58] <duflu> ?
[09:59] <duflu> Which is amusing given Windows machines are now the only machines that don't support large FAT-32 drives
[09:59] <duflu> I guess the reason is Microsoft wants you using ExFAT
[10:03] <Laney> willcooke: in a VM you can do it from virt-manager
[10:03] <Laney> virtual machine -> take screenshot
[10:05] <willcooke> plan
[10:05] <willcooke> ta
[10:08] <Laney> or else xwd -root after exporting DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY (I think) should do it
[10:44] <willcooke> seb128, Laney - either of you guys know much gstreamer / clutter?  There is a problem causing U8 to hang if you press print screen.  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525285
[10:50] <Laney> willcooke: not loads, is is urgent?
[10:50] <Laney> doesn't seem to be forwarded from that bug at least
[10:50] <willcooke> Laney, there are a couple of people who can take a look who know more, so lets wait and see for now
[10:50] <willcooke> thanks
[10:53] <Laney> willcooke: Would be nice to see it sent upstream - maybe affects wayland too
[10:53] <willcooke> Laney, ack will suggest that once I know who is looking at it
[10:54] <Laney> gstreamer upstream are often good at fixing stuff too ;-)
[10:55] <Laney> otherwise, can try to climb the hill of knowledge
[10:55] <Laney> to gaze upon the fields of englightenmtn
[11:35] <seb128> willcooke, same as Laney, I don't know offhand but I'm happy to have a look
[11:35] <willcooke> thanks seb128 - lets see how Jim gets on
[11:37] <seb128> chrisccoulson, dunno but it's annoying, we don't even have working exfat support in the archive, I realized a few days into my holidays that I couldn't copy the photo from my camera on my laptop because of that, exfat-utils didn't work, gives random errors, every few tries I could see the DCIM directory on the card but it never worked good enough to get the content :-/
[11:47] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, welcome back... how was your holidays?
[11:47]  * Trevinho had to take the morning out since recovering from the yesterday's flu :-/
[11:48] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, holidays was great, sunny & warm in Spain, saw some nice cities, had wine&tapas ;-)
[11:48]  * Laney hugs Trevinho (not too close)
[11:48] <seb128> Trevinho, oh, flu, get better!
[11:49] <Trevinho> Laney: lol :-D
[11:49] <Trevinho> seb128: awesome... Was andalusia or where?
[11:49] <Trevinho> seb128: I love spain :-)
[11:59] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Are you working on bug #1623856 right now?
[12:00]  * Laney could fix that quickly
[12:00] <Laney> unless you want the exercise
[12:17] <Sweet5hark> seb128: so I have a very hackish (but low risk) patch for bug 1527053. What to do with it? 0-day SRU, I guess? Ugly/Hackish in that it hardcodes/special cases Ubuntu themes in the LibreOffice gtk3 backend, because doing generic changes/fix here might break more (themes) as this is one leftover area were LO still "manually" paints widgets imitating gtk, which is fragile.
[12:18] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Yes I am.
[12:25] <Laney> Rightooooooooooooo
[12:27] <pishuilu> Hi,all. Who can help to upload ubiquity-slideshow pacakge to ubuntu. The url is https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html. Thanks!
[12:32] <seb128> Trevinho, sorry was eating, yes andalusia, Malaga, Cadix, Sevilla, Cordova, etc
[12:33] <seb128> Sweet5hark, your call, how much does it impact default experience? we could probably still justify an upload today
[12:34] <seb128> Sweet5hark, in any case prepare the update and let's upload with a bug reference, that can be converted to a SRU if r-t prefers that
[12:47]  * flexiondotorg goes lunch hunting
[12:56] <willcooke> ooohhhhhhhh kay
[12:56] <willcooke> Looks like I've lost my encrypted swap
[12:57] <cyphermox> davmor2: didrocks: what's with n-m?
[12:59] <davmor2> willcooke: his wifi connection is dying all the while I'm assuming it is a driver based issue maybe but figured you might be able to give him some hints and tips to see if it helps
[12:59] <pishuilu> cyphermox: Hi, can you help to upload ubiquity-slideshow pacakge to ubuntu? The url is https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html
[12:59] <davmor2> cyphermox: ^ even sorry willcooke
[13:00] <cyphermox> pishuilu: I got it the first time you wrote that, it will be done
[13:00] <cyphermox> davmor2: that would be more likely drivers
[13:02] <davmor2> cyphermox: yeah that's what I thought but didrocks would need to be that one to confirm I can't reproduce it here
[13:02] <pishuilu> cyphermox: OK, thanks very much!
[13:04] <Sweet5hark> seb128: k (sorry for the delay, was in a call). As for impact: I think it will raise severe complains unfixed, but it is a nuisance if it is _temporary_ (one can still read the tab labels with some effort, tabbed dialogs arent used too frequently in a common workflow). but yeah, will prep the package.
[13:04] <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks
[13:10] <cyphermox> davmor2: ok I'll let him chime in
[13:16] <renato__> dpm, popey, hey guys Do you know why clock app has the snappy related files on github instead of the trunk on lp?
[13:17] <renato__> is this some kind of rule? We are adding the necessary files on trunk for core apps.
[13:20] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I've been there too a couple of years ago... Awesome cities, delicious food...
[13:21] <seb128> indeed!
[13:26] <dpm> renato__, there is no particular reason other than we added the snapcraft.yaml and other files to the snappy-playpen project in github. The code can go to the clock app trunk, as we did for calculator already
[13:28] <renato__> dpm, will be nice to have the code on trunk, to setup the automatic snappy package build. Or is possible to do that from git?
[13:29] <dpm> renato__, I think it's not possible from git, unless the branch is imported into LP.
[14:23] <seb128> willcooke, did we end up switching the google api key to the new one?
[14:23] <seb128> geoloc seems to still not be working here
[14:23] <willcooke> seb128, yeah it's switched but there are still problems. qengho is chasing up with Google
[14:23] <seb128> which kind? the new one got over quota as well?!
[14:25] <willcooke> its generating thousands of errors still
[14:26] <seb128> :-/
[14:27] <seb128> the graph is interesting
[14:27] <jbicha> seb128: do you mean in Firefox? because FF49 with the change is stuck in proposed because it doesn't build on ppc64el
[14:27] <seb128> still looking at the same url, unsure if that represents the old key
[14:27] <jbicha> for yakkety
[14:27] <seb128> jbicha, I'm using xenial
[14:27] <jbicha> oh right
[14:27] <seb128> also the issue is that our google api key is being spammed
[14:27] <seb128> it goes over the quota and stops working
[14:29] <seb128> willcooke, the graph went down to like 30% of the requests it had, I wonder if whatever is generating the requests is using e.g our firefox package and that the number went down as the machines got updated
[14:30] <seb128> it's a bit crazy that we can't get more info on the issuze
[14:30] <willcooke> that's exactly what qengho is working on, getting someone to tell us what the heck is goingon
[14:30] <seb128> it means basically anyone can DoS the key from somebody else without issue
[14:30] <willcooke> yeah
[14:30] <willcooke> At this point I wouldn't be surprised if its something we're doing wrong
[14:30] <seb128> same
[14:30] <willcooke> but I still hope it's someone spamming us
[14:31] <seb128> it's a bit weird
[14:31] <seb128> the graph has a linear decrease
[14:31] <seb128> it's like machines were upgraded over time
[14:32] <seb128> if that was some script work from somebody I would expect the key to be changed at some point to the new one
[14:32] <seb128> and the old one to stop being used
[14:34] <willcooke> yeah, seems quite sophisticated for someone who just "borrowed" our keys
[14:34] <seb128> yeah
[14:35] <seb128> also it has the exact same sine-wave pattern every day with a spike of successful request at the same time
[14:36] <seb128> well those successful spikes stopped on septembre 28th it seems
[14:36] <seb128> strange
[14:38] <jbicha> well, if it's tied to Firefox installs, maybe it's a misbehaving FF extension?
[14:42] <seb128> jbicha, we don't know what it's tied to, the graph is http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/geolockey.png
[14:42] <seb128> green is the errors, blue is the success
[14:42] <seb128> we don't have details on the caller software, ips, or anything
[14:43] <willcooke> What the heck is using the speech api?
[14:44] <seb128> the wave is a bit too regular for being random webbrowser use I would say
[14:44] <seb128> willcooke, speech?
[15:10] <willcooke> seb128, sorry, missed your comment - what do you mean, like "what is the speech api" or "we are using it for speech"
[15:11] <seb128> willcooke, I didn't understand your "<willcooke> What the heck is using the speech api?"
[15:12] <seb128> I though we were looking at the geoloc one
[15:12] <seb128> I guess some misunderstanding from something I said earlier?
[15:12] <willcooke> seb128, ah right
[15:13] <willcooke> so with the Google API it seems you get "an API" and then you use that API for all GOOG services
[15:13] <willcooke> and as far as I can tell, we shouldnt be hitting the Speech API at all, but yet it shows on the graph that we are
[15:13] <willcooke> I think the limits are per service though, not per key
[15:14] <willcooke> so that in itself isn't killing our location api usage
[15:14] <willcooke> but it looks like it's being used by /something/
[15:14] <willcooke> which is odd.
[15:14] <willcooke> *an API *KEY*
[15:14] <willcooke> *use that API *key*#
[15:17] <Laney> attente: if you're around, could you review that branch I requested you on please?
[15:23] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I'#ve been looking at LP: #1623856
[15:24] <flexiondotorg> You said you have a quick fix.
[15:24] <flexiondotorg> I'd be interested to get a hint.
[15:24] <flexiondotorg> Because I've tweaked the "obvious" selectors without success :-(
[15:25] <Laney> flexiondotorg: In the .ui file, set the min-content-height on the scrolled window containing the details textview
[15:26] <Laney> since it's a data file, you can seb128 it up and hack that on the installed package to test
[15:26] <Laney> :-)
[15:26] <flexiondotorg> So your suggesting changing the .ui of the application to resolve this?
[15:26] <Laney> Ya
[15:26] <seb128> :-)
[15:26] <flexiondotorg> Hmmm.
[15:27] <flexiondotorg> So, this issue is not visible using other themes.
[15:27] <flexiondotorg> I was working on a theme change.
[15:28] <Laney> You think it's a general problem with scrolled windows?
[15:29] <flexiondotorg> Well, That was my assumption.
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> Other applications using aptdaemon gtk3 widgets exhibit the same issue.
[15:33] <flexiondotorg> For example the Adwaita, Arc and Ubuntu MATE themes do not exhibit the issue.
[15:40] <Laney> Dunno then
[15:40] <Laney> Use the inspector to find out what property is different
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> I'm starting to thing some from gtk-3.0 is being used.
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> *think
[15:49] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Is it because they set a higher min-height on the scrollbar slider?
[15:49] <flexiondotorg> I'll check...
[15:53] <Laney> is canada off today?
[15:54] <flexiondotorg> Laney, minor progress.
[15:54] <flexiondotorg> Looks like scales.
[15:55] <jbicha> Laney: yes, happy Thanksgiving :)
[15:55] <Laney> flexiondotorg: you what
[15:55] <flexiondotorg> scale.vertical slider
[15:55] <flexiondotorg> Not just that.
[15:56] <flexiondotorg> Poking at it.
[15:56] <Laney> scale?!?!
[15:56] <seb128> Laney, http://www.officeholidays.com/upcoming/index.php
[15:56] <Laney> where's one of those?
[15:57] <Laney> seb128: the secretary's list this morning was INCOMPLETE!
[16:02] <willcooke> Sorry Laney :)
[16:03] <willcooke> I'll add that site to my checklist
[16:03] <Laney> haha
[16:04] <Laney> no worries
[16:04] <Laney> I thought they were entered into the website already
[16:04]  * Laney cowboys some uploads in
[16:05] <Laney> davmor2: meow? any chance of a favour?
[16:05] <davmor2> wow Laney is a cat
[16:05] <davmor2> Laney: what's up dude?
[16:06] <Laney> davmor2: can you hack /usr/share/applications/ubuntu-system-settings.desktop and add OnlyShowIn=Unity8 to the bottom, just check that works properly quickly please?
[16:08] <davmor2> Laney: sure give me 5
[16:09] <Laney> ta duck
[16:14] <davmor2> Laney: I still see it in unity8 and not in unity7 even when naming it fully if that is what you needed to know?
[16:15] <Laney> yeah, it's the same as terminal really
[16:15] <Laney> ta
[16:15] <davmor2> Laney: cool :)
[16:21] <seb128> Laney, thanks for fixing gnome-software on i386 ;-)
[16:21] <Laney> np
[16:21] <Laney> feels like ages ago
[16:34] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1631978
[16:34] <Laney> this is true, and weird
[16:39] <seb128> Laney, is COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE set in the u-c-c env in this case?
[16:39] <seb128> guess not
[16:40] <seb128> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-control-center-team/unity-control-center/trunk/view/head:/panels/appearance/cc-appearance-panel.c#L1851
[16:40] <seb128> u-c-c needs to write in the right compiz profile, that would be lowgfx on the iso
[16:41] <seb128> but if the env is not set it's going to try to write to the normal profile
[16:41] <seb128> which would lead to that issue
[16:44] <Laney> good knowledge
[16:47] <Laney> nautilus has COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE=ubuntu
[16:47] <Laney> whyyyyy
[16:54] <seb128> Laney, regression from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/revision/4193 ?
[16:54] <seb128> the upstart job used to setenv
[16:58] <Laney> gnome-session has the wrong environment, so I b et it starts nautilus with it wrong too
[17:01] <seb128> right
[17:01] <seb128> those used to be updated by the unity upstart job calling setenv when going in lowgfx
[17:01] <seb128> Trevinho, ^ what that removed in purpose for another way to do the same?
[17:05] <Laney> nah
[17:05] <Laney> this doesn't quite make sense
[17:05] <Laney> I don't think it works on 16.04 with lowgfx either
[17:06] <Laney> because gnome-session starts without knowing which compiz profile is going to be used
[17:06] <Laney> and that is true for upstart and systemd
[17:06] <seb128> but an upstart job calling initctl set-env, as the unity one does, would update their env no?
[17:07] <Laney> it doesn't update the environment of random other processes
[17:07] <Laney> only for ones which get started after
[17:08] <seb128> oh ok, I though it would do for any of the upstart user jobs
[17:08] <Laney> it's one more reason that the ordering matters
[17:08]  * Laney gets a new 16.04 iso to confirm
[17:14] <Laney> yeah, busted there too
[17:15]  * Laney assigns Trevinho ;-)
[17:16] <seb128> heh
[17:16] <seb128> on that note I'm calling it a day
[17:16] <seb128> have a nice evening desktopers!
[17:16] <willcooke> night seb128
[17:16] <willcooke> I'm off too.
[17:16] <willcooke> tataa
[17:23] <Laney> me three
[17:23] <Laney> laters
[20:31] <Trevinho> Laney: mhmh, I think we can just apply the setting to both profiles without checking the running one... it would be better also to keep the settings in sync
[20:41] <Laney> Trevinho: As you prefer, I think it could be also fixed by setting the variables earlier in the sequence