[07:03] <daftykins> good morning all
[07:24] <JonTheNiceGuy[m]> TZAG!
[07:25] <daftykins> qué?
[07:26] <JonTheNiceGuy[m]> Time Zone Appropriate Greeting :) (like "Good Evening", or "Mornin'") :D
[07:28] <daftykins> ah that's a new one on me
[07:30] <JonTheNiceGuy[m]> It was something I used to see on identi.ca a lot.
[07:31] <daftykins> i used to see that site in social links but never knew what it was
[07:31] <JonTheNiceGuy[m]> It was a self-hosted alternative to Twitter.
[07:44] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:49] <SuperMatt> good morning to you too
[07:49] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[07:50] <diplo> Morning all
[07:50] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[08:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:09] <Gargoyle> o/
[08:12] <BigRedS> goood morning!
[08:14] <foobarry> brrrrr
[08:17] <daftykins> cold already? :)
[08:18] <SuperMatt> I was quite happy to come in to the office this morning to find the heating on, however now it's off again and the aircon has kicked in and I was to go on a rampage
[08:19] <daftykins> sounds like a very conflicted setup :)
[08:23] <SuperMatt> I just want the warmth to embrace me like a lover
[08:24] <daftykins> do a few press ups ;)
[08:24] <foobarry> i have a vest on today
[08:24] <daftykins> haha
[08:24] <foobarry> and cashmere sweater
[08:24] <foobarry> which seems to have shrunk :(
[08:26] <daftykins> fire the laundy staff
[08:27] <brobostigon> can i fire myself?
[08:27] <Gargoyle> Yep.
[08:27] <Gargoyle> I've done it
[08:27] <foobarry> http://www.wikihow.com/Unshrink-Clothes
[08:28] <foobarry> i bet Myrtti has done this kind of thing
[08:28] <brobostigon> i fire myself then from doing laundry. lol.
[08:28] <foobarry> unshrinking woollen or cashmere
[08:29] <davmor2> foobarry: does the label on the jumper say hand wash only, if so then my recommendation is to follow the instructions it's why they are there :P
[08:29] <foobarry> i didn't do it
[08:29] <foobarry> my wife dunnit
[08:29] <foobarry> she also shrunk my favourite tee
[08:29] <brobostigon> yep, i cant blme my gf for that, i do my own laundry.
[08:29] <foobarry> its only shurnk in the length a bit
[08:29] <davmor2> foobarry: what she do throw it all in a boil wash
[08:30] <foobarry> apparently a gentle wool wash
[08:30] <foobarry> it would have been mullered on anything else.
[08:30] <foobarry> just a bit tight and high now
[08:30] <brobostigon> sounds like you made your own corset accidentally.
[08:31] <Myrtti> lol, you're joking. I just turned a machineful of laundry green on Friday. on my defence I did put a colour catcher sheet into the wash, too. It just turns out that the item in the wash was so badly dyed it probably would've needed the whole box of sheets.
[08:32] <Myrtti> and if it's really shrunk and felted, there's not much you can do, apart from upcycling it into something else
[08:33] <foobarry> its not felted
[08:33] <foobarry> just riding a bit high on my waist
[08:33] <foobarry> it stell looks and feels the same
[09:15]  * diplo wonders if foobarry may have ate to much over the summer :D
[09:26] <foobarry> i'm pretty much teh same weight as when i was 18
[09:26] <foobarry> if not a bit less
[09:27] <TwistedLucidity> Lucky bugger, I'm about 13kg heavier
[09:28] <TwistedLucidity> It's just latent muscle...
[09:30] <SuperMatt> I'm about the same weight as I was when I started uni
[09:30] <SuperMatt> a good 11 and a half stone
[09:30] <SuperMatt> but it's a whole one stone above my recommended BMI weight
[09:31] <TwistedLucidity> 88kg here (which is about 13 stone)
[09:31] <foobarry> i need to gain a 1 1/2 stone
[09:31] <SuperMatt> but all the exercise in the world can't make me keep that weight
[09:31] <TwistedLucidity> But then I am 1.94m (6'4") tall
[09:31] <SuperMatt> I'm a full foot shorter
[09:32] <TwistedLucidity> My plan is to up exercise slightly, cut back on the booze a bit, let the energy imbalance sort things out
[09:33] <TwistedLucidity> Then pig-out at Chrimbo! \o/
[09:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Monday, and please spare a thought for those in need of support on World Mental Health Day. 👋
[09:48] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w
[09:48] <davmor2> JamesTait: I think that covers us :)
[09:49] <davmor2> JamesTait: it's also just a great song :)
[09:52] <JamesTait> davmor2, 👍
[12:42] <daftykins> these are gold - < OerHeks> these are funny http://www.boredpanda.com/comedy-wildlife-photography-awards-shortlist-2016/
[12:46] <foobarry> nice
[12:47] <daftykins> that's neat, i was having problems with the NFC in my Nexus 5, as i wanted to try out Android Pay - just took it apart and added some tape to pack up the connector on the antenna in the rear case of the phone, works again now :D
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> that sounds... reassuring...
[12:50] <aptanet> Anyone here good with Samba permissions, specifically those that differ between accounts that look to be setup the same?
[12:50] <daftykins> no, it's a replacement back and so on because this phone had a smashed screen when my mate gave it to me
[12:50] <aptanet> It is driving me up the wall!
[12:51] <daftykins> aptanet: perhaps a paste of some info would explain that statement a bit better :>
[12:52] <aptanet> that will be tricky given my irc client is connected via a vpn to quassel in my office from my tablet and I am connected to the samba server via my laptop!
[12:52] <daftykins> i was talking about using a pastebin, just do something to demo / explain the issue a bit better
[12:52] <daftykins> use your loaf :P
[12:53] <diddledan> mmm, bread
[12:53] <daftykins> i bought some pancakes at M&S
[12:53] <diddledan> \o/
[12:53] <aptanet> basically when I create a directory with my account I get permissions dwrxrwx--- as per smb.conf, but other accounts get dwrxdr-x---
[12:54] <diddledan> M&S food is teh awesome
[12:54] <diddledan> err
[12:54] <daftykins> aptanet: i think i use a force group on mine, other than that dunno
[12:54] <diddledan> you can't have two d's
[12:55] <daftykins> heh that's true
[12:55] <daftykins> drwxrwxrwx
[12:55] <aptanet> diddledan: sorry, misstype!
[12:55] <daftykins> never met 'er
[12:56] <aptanet> got a force directory mode in there already as well as a force group
[12:56] <daftykins> could be ignoring one, or perhaps your users are not in the same
[12:57] <aptanet> I'm working on the basis that there is something different with the accounts, the only issue is most accounts not giving group write when they create a directory
[12:57] <daftykins> time to compare 'em then :)
[12:58] <aptanet> that's what I have been doing, now looking for more inspiration
[12:58] <diddledan> create modes are usually dictated by the user's umask
[12:58] <aptanet> pdbedit shows they are identical as far as samba goes
[13:01] <aptanet> diddledan: damn, I've been through that but now I find a difference - thanks
[13:03] <diddledan> \o/
[13:04] <aptanet> that's one of the things I miss about working for a large company - being able to take a coffee break and talk techie to clear your brain!
[13:07] <daftykins> so umasks where?
[13:07] <diddledan> were*
[13:08] <daftykins> i know they're a user property, but where would you be glancing for issues in samba config?
[13:08] <diddledan> oic
[13:09] <diddledan> erm. I would think there be no difference between samba mounts and other mounts as regards to umask
[13:09] <diddledan> i.e. it is whatever the session has
[13:09] <daftykins> oh so you're saying whover mounts the share would have that uid bound potentially and throwing it that way?
[13:10] <diddledan> just run umask in your terminal
[13:10] <daftykins> that's just giving the current users one though right, how do you take this knowledge and apply it to the issue...
[13:11] <diddledan> well when you create a file, no matter where that file is, your requested permissions will be filtered through your current umask before the file is created
[13:12] <aptanet> daftykins: 002 on my account and 022 on the others
[13:13] <diddledan> the fact that it's a samba mount in this case is irrelevant
[13:13] <daftykins> but they're never gonna be the same, right?
[13:13] <daftykins> so what do you even do with that one o0
[13:17] <aptanet> now the fun bit is working out where it is being set differently, identical .bashrc and .profile files (well, bar starting byoby which shouldn't touch it)
[13:30] <aptanet> oh fun, changing the umask made no difference
[13:30] <aptanet> I also realised that it is only on directories not files
[13:30] <diddledan> there goes my theory then :-)
[13:30] <aptanet> more digging in the config!
[13:31] <aptanet> diddledan: it was a promising one, the first notable difference that seemed likely
[13:34] <aptanet> been a while since I was on irc much, I lived on it back in the 90s and 00s
[13:36] <Gargoyle> aptanet, Things just go round in circles. You start with IRC, then try MSN, Jabber, Yahoo then come back to IRC for a few years. Then HipChat and Slack are the new cool apps, but eventually, you come back to IRC! ;-)
[13:37] <aptanet> Gargoyle: I did jabber (still have a prosody server running in the office), but not yahoo or msn
[13:38] <aptanet> briefly used slack, but hated it - or possibly more the fact that it was too easy for people to ignore/miss messages
[13:38] <aptanet> I'm still old school and prefer email - imap connected not webmail too :)
[13:40] <aptanet> irc is good for chatting through issues, although I've tended to be more answering than asking questions in the past
[13:40] <aptanet> I spent hours on the smoothwall channel back in the day - if anyone remembers that!
[13:41] <Gargoyle> Nope. I plagued pfSense with all my firewall questions! :-)
[13:43] <Gargoyle> Spent too many hours on QuakeNet back in the day.
[13:43] <aptanet> I was involved with smoothwall from the start, and worked for them for a while
[13:43] <Gargoyle> Nice, is it still going?
[13:43] <aptanet> I had a bit of a gap in gaming between my Amstrad and an original Playstation
[13:44] <aptanet> yes, mainly in a commercial sense, but the project is still there
[13:44] <aptanet> not used it in years, I moved to ipcop for a while and then moved on
[13:45] <Gargoyle> I played with ipcop a long time ago. Currently running ipfire.
[13:47] <daftykins> i started with ipcop, went to smoothwall, then the alcatel speedtouch 'modem' stopped working with it so i gave up, by then consumer routers had gone mainstream
[13:48] <aptanet> I've been using dd-wrt for a while and am playing with openwrt at the moment
[13:48] <aptanet> first thing was to turn an old dlink dir615 from virgin into a range extender
[13:49] <daftykins> heh
[13:49] <aptanet> free old hardware plus free software is great :)
[13:49] <daftykins> sounds like it could be nasty ol' 2.4GHz 802.11g only
[13:50] <daftykins> my ISP gave out some nice newer 802.11ac dualband routers a bit ago, only 2:2 stream, but 866Mb is pretty neat
[13:52] <aptanet> it is, but it has been in use for a few years now
[13:52] <aptanet> I'll be switching to an old ac netgear and an old ac tplink soon I hope
[13:52] <daftykins> i didn't used to care, but now i can throw files around when on the laptop at 50MB/sec+ it's quite neat
[13:53] <daftykins> used to just plug into wired of course :D
[13:53] <aptanet> the dlink was supposed to be a temporary upgrade from some devolo dlan units that proved very poor performance
[13:54] <daftykins> oh, powerline?
[14:04] <aptanet> yes, very poor on my cabling
[14:04] <aptanet> particularly when a slightly slow 11g was an upgrade in performance!
[14:05] <daftykins> i've got a cheap tp-link set to go up into the bedroom for my music streamer device / internet radio - does 100Mb just dandy, but my wiring is quite apt
[14:06] <daftykins> i did have a client with a devolo pair ages ago that seemed to have fallen over every time they wanted to use it
[14:07] <Gargoyle> Good thing about doing the house refurb, I have cables :-)
[14:08] <Gargoyle> Wi-Fi and 16" thick 100 year old farmhouse walls don't play nice!
[14:08] <Gargoyle> Should be able to run 10Gig at some point in the future too (used cat6).
[14:09] <daftykins> only 100? :) 16th/17th century here
[14:09] <daftykins> i read some cheaper chips have been produced for the 2 to 5 Gigabit range, could be neat
[14:58] <diddledan> daftykins: I want your babies^H^H house
[15:03] <daftykins> diddledan: wat
[15:03] <diddledan> daftykins: 16th century sounds tasty
[15:25] <aptanet> my 1950's house seems a bit new!
[15:26] <aptanet> although the rate they're building round here it is beginning to feel like an old timer compared to others around!
[15:27] <daftykins> :)
[15:27] <aptanet> not easy balancing a tablet and separate keyboard while sitting in the driver's seat
[15:27] <daftykins> concerned i heard death watch up in my roof the other day mind you
[15:28] <daftykins> (the woodworm)
[15:28] <aptanet> not that I'm driving I hasten to add!
[15:28] <aptanet> we've had mice, but they are quite easy to catch and re-home
[15:29] <foobarry> mice keep respawning
[15:29] <foobarry> and get clever after a while
[15:29] <foobarry> completely avoiding food on traps
[15:30] <diddledan> foobarry: you need to figure-out the respawn points and then camp there with your BFG5000 ready
[15:31] <foobarry> under the floorboards :(
[15:31] <diddledan> I never was any good at FPSes
[15:31] <diddledan> or is that FPSing?
[15:31] <aptanet> so far they stay gone for a long while, and peanut butter has proven irresistible
[15:32] <diddledan> what about the jelly?!
[15:32] <diddledan> can't have peanut butter without jelly! although in the UK that seems a bit of an odd combo
[15:32] <daftykins> indeedy
[15:32] <aptanet> jelly? jam!
[15:33] <diddledan> imagine trying to convince an american that ice-cream and jelly is a thing
[15:35] <aptanet> eek!
[15:35]  * aptanet scrambles for cables
[15:35] <diddledan> vince cables?
[15:35] <diddledan> :-p
[15:36] <diddledan> you low on power?
[15:36] <aptanet> no, the ones that provide power for my phone / hotspot
[15:37] <aptanet> and to think that my remote connection to the office used to be a 14.4 dial up modem!
[15:37] <diddledan> :-o
[15:37] <diddledan> eep
[15:38] <diddledan> I had a 56Kflex modem as my first connection media, which usually synced at about 40Kbps
[15:38] <aptanet> still got my usr modem somewhere
[15:38] <diddledan> V.90 or V.92 (I forget whether I had the earlier spec or not)
[15:39] <diddledan> yeah I've got a V.92 serial-attached one knocking about here someplace
[15:39] <aptanet> at one point I had to dial in to my windows nt4 desktop to then dial out over isdn to a windows 98 desktop in Holand that was the mail server!
[15:39] <diddledan> lol
[15:39] <diddledan> the joys of multiple hops
[15:40] <aptanet> It was a bit of a step down from Netscape messaging server running on AIX on an RS6000
[15:40] <diddledan> still get crazy stuff like that with top-secret access
[15:41] <aptanet> I switched a customer's isp remotely through their dial-up connection once
[15:41] <aptanet> scary waiting for the connection to come back on the new ip
[15:42] <diddledan> at my old place of work they had a government issued laptop which required multi-factor auth to boot (encrypted HDD with a key-fob-style decryption module) which you then needed to login to, then remote desktop to the mildly secure network and then another remote desktop from there into the secure network
[15:42] <diddledan> it was weird
[15:42] <daftykins> :S
[15:42] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/010Ufgx.jpg new tires! gotta pop the downhill ones off :)
[15:42] <diddledan> oooh
[15:42] <diddledan> \o/
[15:51] <aptanet> right, time to get back on the road
[15:58] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaSaWfw07Sw
[15:58] <diddledan> Tom Scott
[16:00] <daftykins> i saw the bike share system at NASA in Houston, that was neat
[16:00] <daftykins> just free bikes on stands, use any and take it to another building :>
[16:01] <diddledan> doesn't London have that as a general city-wide thing?
[16:01] <daftykins> a lot of cities have such a system that's paid, yes
[16:01] <daftykins> they're shocking the ones i've seen in the US, you have to check them in every 30 mins
[16:01] <diddledan> http://www.visitlondon.com/traveller-information/getting-around-london/london-cycle-hire-scheme#Y6OpKBA5eKBIQDr8.97
[16:04] <daftykins> point was it is a staff thing though :>
[16:05] <diddledan> :-)
[16:06] <diddledan> sciency types are usually pretty good at sharing
[16:06] <diddledan> betterment of everyone
[16:07] <diddledan> none of this silly "out for yourself" nonsense
[16:07] <daftykins> client just had a fake apple ID email claiming a bank card had been added, link pointed to a .pt domain though
[16:07] <daftykins> how naughty
[16:09] <diddledan> grr
[16:11] <diddledan> ooh, I got westworld episode 2
[16:11] <diddledan> \o/ for automation
[16:13] <Myrtti> Google has those bikes for their employees
[16:13] <Myrtti> in Google colours
[16:22]  * Laney has started getting spam to the dropbox-only email address
[16:22] <Laney> grrrr
[17:10] <m0nkey_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMvS1Q1sos
[17:16] <daftykins> it's all about the Cores
[17:17] <daftykins> not The Corrs though
[19:21] <diddledan> just watching brian lunduke & matt hartley's linux and whatnot where they're talking about https://matrix.org/
[19:22] <diddledan> intriguing
[19:22] <diddledan> specifically https://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/riot.html
[22:21] <m0nkey_> http://i.imgur.com/zIoD2pO.jpg
[22:25] <zmoylan-pi> that'll take care of those feckin immigrant grey squirrels... :-P
[22:26] <diddledan> :-)
[22:41] <diddledan> google cloud services have a load of new datacentres coming online today: https://cloud.google.com/about/locations/
[22:41] <diddledan> including london
[22:45] <daftykins> just finished Deus Ex ;_;
[22:45] <diddledan> time for call of duty?
[22:46] <zmoylan-pi> see, you were holly in red dwarf we could type in a few commands and erase them from your memory so you could enjoy them again...
[22:47] <daftykins> nah i don't play call of doody
[22:47] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/lZz2il4nhH8?t=15
[22:48] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: i wish that were possible for books and music