=== m0nkey__ is now known as m0nkey_ [07:03] good morning all [07:24] TZAG! [07:25] qué? [07:26] Time Zone Appropriate Greeting :) (like "Good Evening", or "Mornin'") :D [07:28] ah that's a new one on me [07:30] It was something I used to see on identi.ca a lot. [07:31] i used to see that site in social links but never knew what it was [07:31] It was a self-hosted alternative to Twitter. [07:44] morning boys and girls. [07:49] good morning to you too [07:49] morning SuperMatt [07:50] Morning all [07:50] morning diplo [08:05] Morning all [08:09] o/ [08:12] goood morning! [08:14] brrrrr [08:17] cold already? :) [08:18] I was quite happy to come in to the office this morning to find the heating on, however now it's off again and the aircon has kicked in and I was to go on a rampage [08:19] sounds like a very conflicted setup :) [08:23] I just want the warmth to embrace me like a lover [08:24] do a few press ups ;) [08:24] i have a vest on today [08:24] haha [08:24] and cashmere sweater [08:24] which seems to have shrunk :( [08:26] fire the laundy staff [08:27] can i fire myself? [08:27] Yep. [08:27] I've done it [08:27] http://www.wikihow.com/Unshrink-Clothes [08:28] i bet Myrtti has done this kind of thing [08:28] i fire myself then from doing laundry. lol. [08:28] unshrinking woollen or cashmere [08:29] foobarry: does the label on the jumper say hand wash only, if so then my recommendation is to follow the instructions it's why they are there :P [08:29] i didn't do it [08:29] my wife dunnit [08:29] she also shrunk my favourite tee [08:29] yep, i cant blme my gf for that, i do my own laundry. [08:29] its only shurnk in the length a bit [08:29] foobarry: what she do throw it all in a boil wash [08:30] apparently a gentle wool wash [08:30] it would have been mullered on anything else. [08:30] just a bit tight and high now [08:30] sounds like you made your own corset accidentally. [08:31] lol, you're joking. I just turned a machineful of laundry green on Friday. on my defence I did put a colour catcher sheet into the wash, too. It just turns out that the item in the wash was so badly dyed it probably would've needed the whole box of sheets. [08:32] and if it's really shrunk and felted, there's not much you can do, apart from upcycling it into something else [08:33] its not felted [08:33] just riding a bit high on my waist [08:33] it stell looks and feels the same === andyjones2001_ is now known as andyjones2001 === SuperMat1 is now known as SuperMatt [09:15] * diplo wonders if foobarry may have ate to much over the summer :D [09:26] i'm pretty much teh same weight as when i was 18 [09:26] if not a bit less [09:27] Lucky bugger, I'm about 13kg heavier [09:28] It's just latent muscle... [09:30] I'm about the same weight as I was when I started uni [09:30] a good 11 and a half stone [09:30] but it's a whole one stone above my recommended BMI weight [09:31] 88kg here (which is about 13 stone) [09:31] i need to gain a 1 1/2 stone [09:31] but all the exercise in the world can't make me keep that weight [09:31] But then I am 1.94m (6'4") tall [09:31] I'm a full foot shorter [09:32] My plan is to up exercise slightly, cut back on the booze a bit, let the energy imbalance sort things out [09:33] Then pig-out at Chrimbo! \o/ [09:43] Good morning all! Happy Monday, and please spare a thought for those in need of support on World Mental Health Day. 👋 [09:48] JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w [09:48] JamesTait: I think that covers us :) [09:49] JamesTait: it's also just a great song :) [09:52] davmor2, 👍 [12:42] these are gold - < OerHeks> these are funny http://www.boredpanda.com/comedy-wildlife-photography-awards-shortlist-2016/ [12:46] nice [12:47] that's neat, i was having problems with the NFC in my Nexus 5, as i wanted to try out Android Pay - just took it apart and added some tape to pack up the connector on the antenna in the rear case of the phone, works again now :D [12:48] that sounds... reassuring... [12:50] Anyone here good with Samba permissions, specifically those that differ between accounts that look to be setup the same? [12:50] no, it's a replacement back and so on because this phone had a smashed screen when my mate gave it to me [12:50] It is driving me up the wall! [12:51] aptanet: perhaps a paste of some info would explain that statement a bit better :> [12:52] that will be tricky given my irc client is connected via a vpn to quassel in my office from my tablet and I am connected to the samba server via my laptop! [12:52] i was talking about using a pastebin, just do something to demo / explain the issue a bit better [12:52] use your loaf :P [12:53] mmm, bread [12:53] i bought some pancakes at M&S [12:53] \o/ [12:53] basically when I create a directory with my account I get permissions dwrxrwx--- as per smb.conf, but other accounts get dwrxdr-x--- [12:54] M&S food is teh awesome [12:54] err [12:54] aptanet: i think i use a force group on mine, other than that dunno [12:54] you can't have two d's [12:55] heh that's true [12:55] drwxrwxrwx [12:55] diddledan: sorry, misstype! [12:55] never met 'er [12:56] got a force directory mode in there already as well as a force group [12:56] could be ignoring one, or perhaps your users are not in the same [12:57] I'm working on the basis that there is something different with the accounts, the only issue is most accounts not giving group write when they create a directory [12:57] time to compare 'em then :) [12:58] that's what I have been doing, now looking for more inspiration [12:58] create modes are usually dictated by the user's umask [12:58] pdbedit shows they are identical as far as samba goes [13:01] diddledan: damn, I've been through that but now I find a difference - thanks [13:03] \o/ [13:04] that's one of the things I miss about working for a large company - being able to take a coffee break and talk techie to clear your brain! [13:07] so umasks where? [13:07] were* [13:08] i know they're a user property, but where would you be glancing for issues in samba config? [13:08] oic [13:09] erm. I would think there be no difference between samba mounts and other mounts as regards to umask [13:09] i.e. it is whatever the session has [13:09] oh so you're saying whover mounts the share would have that uid bound potentially and throwing it that way? [13:10] just run umask in your terminal [13:10] that's just giving the current users one though right, how do you take this knowledge and apply it to the issue... [13:11] well when you create a file, no matter where that file is, your requested permissions will be filtered through your current umask before the file is created [13:12] daftykins: 002 on my account and 022 on the others [13:13] the fact that it's a samba mount in this case is irrelevant [13:13] but they're never gonna be the same, right? [13:13] so what do you even do with that one o0 [13:17] now the fun bit is working out where it is being set differently, identical .bashrc and .profile files (well, bar starting byoby which shouldn't touch it) [13:30] oh fun, changing the umask made no difference [13:30] I also realised that it is only on directories not files [13:30] there goes my theory then :-) [13:30] more digging in the config! [13:31] diddledan: it was a promising one, the first notable difference that seemed likely [13:34] been a while since I was on irc much, I lived on it back in the 90s and 00s [13:36] aptanet, Things just go round in circles. You start with IRC, then try MSN, Jabber, Yahoo then come back to IRC for a few years. Then HipChat and Slack are the new cool apps, but eventually, you come back to IRC! ;-) [13:37] Gargoyle: I did jabber (still have a prosody server running in the office), but not yahoo or msn [13:38] briefly used slack, but hated it - or possibly more the fact that it was too easy for people to ignore/miss messages [13:38] I'm still old school and prefer email - imap connected not webmail too :) [13:40] irc is good for chatting through issues, although I've tended to be more answering than asking questions in the past [13:40] I spent hours on the smoothwall channel back in the day - if anyone remembers that! [13:41] Nope. I plagued pfSense with all my firewall questions! :-) [13:43] Spent too many hours on QuakeNet back in the day. [13:43] I was involved with smoothwall from the start, and worked for them for a while [13:43] Nice, is it still going? [13:43] I had a bit of a gap in gaming between my Amstrad and an original Playstation [13:44] yes, mainly in a commercial sense, but the project is still there [13:44] not used it in years, I moved to ipcop for a while and then moved on [13:45] I played with ipcop a long time ago. Currently running ipfire. [13:47] i started with ipcop, went to smoothwall, then the alcatel speedtouch 'modem' stopped working with it so i gave up, by then consumer routers had gone mainstream [13:48] I've been using dd-wrt for a while and am playing with openwrt at the moment [13:48] first thing was to turn an old dlink dir615 from virgin into a range extender [13:49] heh [13:49] free old hardware plus free software is great :) [13:49] sounds like it could be nasty ol' 2.4GHz 802.11g only [13:50] my ISP gave out some nice newer 802.11ac dualband routers a bit ago, only 2:2 stream, but 866Mb is pretty neat [13:52] it is, but it has been in use for a few years now [13:52] I'll be switching to an old ac netgear and an old ac tplink soon I hope [13:52] i didn't used to care, but now i can throw files around when on the laptop at 50MB/sec+ it's quite neat [13:53] used to just plug into wired of course :D [13:53] the dlink was supposed to be a temporary upgrade from some devolo dlan units that proved very poor performance [13:54] oh, powerline? [14:04] yes, very poor on my cabling [14:04] particularly when a slightly slow 11g was an upgrade in performance! [14:05] i've got a cheap tp-link set to go up into the bedroom for my music streamer device / internet radio - does 100Mb just dandy, but my wiring is quite apt [14:06] i did have a client with a devolo pair ages ago that seemed to have fallen over every time they wanted to use it [14:07] Good thing about doing the house refurb, I have cables :-) [14:08] Wi-Fi and 16" thick 100 year old farmhouse walls don't play nice! [14:08] Should be able to run 10Gig at some point in the future too (used cat6). [14:09] only 100? :) 16th/17th century here [14:09] i read some cheaper chips have been produced for the 2 to 5 Gigabit range, could be neat [14:58] daftykins: I want your babies^H^H house [15:03] diddledan: wat [15:03] daftykins: 16th century sounds tasty [15:25] my 1950's house seems a bit new! [15:26] although the rate they're building round here it is beginning to feel like an old timer compared to others around! [15:27] :) [15:27] not easy balancing a tablet and separate keyboard while sitting in the driver's seat [15:27] concerned i heard death watch up in my roof the other day mind you [15:28] (the woodworm) [15:28] not that I'm driving I hasten to add! [15:28] we've had mice, but they are quite easy to catch and re-home [15:29] mice keep respawning [15:29] and get clever after a while [15:29] completely avoiding food on traps [15:30] foobarry: you need to figure-out the respawn points and then camp there with your BFG5000 ready [15:31] under the floorboards :( [15:31] I never was any good at FPSes [15:31] or is that FPSing? [15:31] so far they stay gone for a long while, and peanut butter has proven irresistible [15:32] what about the jelly?! [15:32] can't have peanut butter without jelly! although in the UK that seems a bit of an odd combo [15:32] indeedy [15:32] jelly? jam! [15:33] imagine trying to convince an american that ice-cream and jelly is a thing [15:35] eek! [15:35] * aptanet scrambles for cables [15:35] vince cables? [15:35] :-p [15:36] you low on power? [15:36] no, the ones that provide power for my phone / hotspot [15:37] and to think that my remote connection to the office used to be a 14.4 dial up modem! [15:37] :-o [15:37] eep [15:38] I had a 56Kflex modem as my first connection media, which usually synced at about 40Kbps [15:38] still got my usr modem somewhere [15:38] V.90 or V.92 (I forget whether I had the earlier spec or not) [15:39] yeah I've got a V.92 serial-attached one knocking about here someplace [15:39] at one point I had to dial in to my windows nt4 desktop to then dial out over isdn to a windows 98 desktop in Holand that was the mail server! [15:39] lol [15:39] the joys of multiple hops [15:40] It was a bit of a step down from Netscape messaging server running on AIX on an RS6000 [15:40] still get crazy stuff like that with top-secret access [15:41] I switched a customer's isp remotely through their dial-up connection once [15:41] scary waiting for the connection to come back on the new ip [15:42] at my old place of work they had a government issued laptop which required multi-factor auth to boot (encrypted HDD with a key-fob-style decryption module) which you then needed to login to, then remote desktop to the mildly secure network and then another remote desktop from there into the secure network [15:42] it was weird [15:42] :S [15:42] http://i.imgur.com/010Ufgx.jpg new tires! gotta pop the downhill ones off :) [15:42] oooh [15:42] \o/ [15:51] right, time to get back on the road [15:58] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaSaWfw07Sw [15:58] Tom Scott [16:00] i saw the bike share system at NASA in Houston, that was neat [16:00] just free bikes on stands, use any and take it to another building :> [16:01] doesn't London have that as a general city-wide thing? [16:01] a lot of cities have such a system that's paid, yes [16:01] they're shocking the ones i've seen in the US, you have to check them in every 30 mins [16:01] http://www.visitlondon.com/traveller-information/getting-around-london/london-cycle-hire-scheme#Y6OpKBA5eKBIQDr8.97 [16:04] point was it is a staff thing though :> [16:05] :-) [16:06] sciency types are usually pretty good at sharing [16:06] betterment of everyone [16:07] none of this silly "out for yourself" nonsense [16:07] client just had a fake apple ID email claiming a bank card had been added, link pointed to a .pt domain though [16:07] how naughty [16:09] grr [16:11] ooh, I got westworld episode 2 [16:11] \o/ for automation [16:13] Google has those bikes for their employees [16:13] in Google colours [16:22] * Laney has started getting spam to the dropbox-only email address [16:22] grrrr [17:10] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMvS1Q1sos [17:16] it's all about the Cores [17:17] not The Corrs though [19:21] just watching brian lunduke & matt hartley's linux and whatnot where they're talking about https://matrix.org/ [19:22] intriguing [19:22] specifically https://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/riot.html === webpigeon_ is now known as webpigeon [22:21] http://i.imgur.com/zIoD2pO.jpg [22:25] that'll take care of those feckin immigrant grey squirrels... :-P [22:26] :-) [22:41] google cloud services have a load of new datacentres coming online today: https://cloud.google.com/about/locations/ [22:41] including london [22:45] just finished Deus Ex ;_; [22:45] time for call of duty? [22:46] see, you were holly in red dwarf we could type in a few commands and erase them from your memory so you could enjoy them again... [22:47] nah i don't play call of doody [22:47] https://youtu.be/lZz2il4nhH8?t=15 [22:48] zmoylan-pi: i wish that were possible for books and music