 A few issues with KDE PIM I think
[01:38] <valorie> weee, after an update, restart is pristine
[01:52] <tsimonq2> clivejo, acheronuk: any luck resurrecting KCI, or should we work together tomorrow to get this done?
[01:54] <valorie> they went to bed with no progress IMO
[07:50] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: KCI is going nowhere without slaves and keys configured at the very least
[07:52] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: do you mean the PIM problem you already brought up in that pastebin? didn't get that upgrading xenial to yakkety in a VM last night
[07:54] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: sounds like QtWebEngine is still giving debian major headaches
[07:55] <acheronuk> and we will need that in ZZ if we are to get better PIM in
[07:57] <acheronuk> Mirv: are you just waiting on debian for QtWebEngine, for ZZ etc, or do you have something testing in mind that could go into the archive?
[07:58] <acheronuk> sorry to ask now, just going through things in my head and getting that out there before I forget. 
[08:08] <Mirv> acheronuk: no plans from my side since we use oxide-qt for web browser, so basically it can be synced at any point wanted. but if it needs Qt 5.7, then that'll go towards Jan-Feb (currently waiting for 5.7.1 to come out, 5.7.0 is too buggy) although naturally testing PPAs will be there earlier.
[08:10] <acheronuk> Mirv: I'm just thinking ahead on new KDEPim which annoyingly requires it. looks like we will be a bit stumped on that for a while then, at least in the archive
[11:36] <tsimonq2> ok I'm off o/
[11:47] <BluesKaj_> Hi all
[13:42] <jimarvan> hey everyone
 Heyo
[14:29] <soee> https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.8.1.php
[14:30]  * mamarley something something trout
 I would rather see a KCI *fix*
[15:12] <jimarvan> xD
[15:12] <jimarvan> you are nasty :P
[15:52] <jimarvan> right I am off, see ya later peeps
[16:37] <santa_> clivejo: ping?
 Hi Santa_
 calligra?
[16:43] <santa_> hi
[16:43] <santa_> yes, I think I'm about to finish, so to speak
[16:43] <santa_> I think I will have it ready for uploading soon
[16:44] <santa_> maybe in a couple of hours will finish my test build
[16:45] <clivejo> are the release team expecting it?
[16:46] <santa_> more or less, yes
[16:46] <santa_> we demoted it to -proposed to unblock the iso building
[16:46] <clivejo> is calligra on the iso?
[16:46] <santa_> but I asked them to upload a fixed version later
[16:47] <santa_> no, it's not on the iso, hence why we demoted it to -proposed: ot unblock the iso builds
[16:47] <santa_> and let kde-runtime go to yakkety
[16:48] <santa_> aw shit
[16:48] <santa_> I forgot to remove that dependency
[16:50] <lisandro> clivejo, ScottK: tried to update kdeconnect a couple of months ago, tests failed, couldn't put more time on it
 Hai
 Lunch
[17:17] <soee> o/
[17:42] <acheronuk> ETA for release starting new iso spins seems to be in "More than an hour, less than several."
[17:59] <clivejo> acheronuk: how very precise of you!
 :P
[18:02] <clivejo> tsimonq2: did you close the LP bug for CVE2016-7966
[18:03] <clivejo> LP 1630700
[18:09] <clivejo> any luck on calligra?
[18:12] <acheronuk> clivejo: that is infinity's precise statement
[18:23] <pedahzur> I realize this isn't strictly devel, but since it has to do with debugging...are the packages here missing their debug counterparts? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports  I installed kdelibs5-dbg but the bug reporter says it still doesn't have enough to report a bug, and I can't find a kdepim-dbg nor akregator-dbg package.  Ideas?
[18:53] <pedahzur> Another interesting tidbit: libkf5khtml5-dbg : Depends: libkf5khtml5 (= 5.18.0-0ubuntu1) but 5.23.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1 is to be installed Is Kubuntu backports broken at the moment?
 backport packages are probably using -dbgsym instead of -dgb packages now
[19:12] <pedahzur> IrcsomeBot1: apt-cache search kde|grep dbgsym doesn't return anything for me.
[19:13] <pedahzur> "apt-cache search kde|grep dbg" does list a bunch of packages, but none of those look like they are related to Akregator.
[19:18] <ahoneybun> quite a lot of PIM is asking to be removed...
[19:19] <ahoneybun> nvm
 yes -dbsym https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+sourcepub/6603537/+listing-archive-extra
 and same for kdepim inc akregator https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1/+build/9578735
[20:44] <acheronuk> I bet the isos get spun just at the point I'm too tired to really test
[20:54] <valorie> I think the release team is really dragging by this point too
[20:55] <valorie> major stuff like FF and thunderbird failing tests....
[20:58] <pedahzur> IrcsomeBot1, acheronuk: OK...I've got Kubuntu ppa backports enabled, but I'm still not seeing those dbgsym packages...
[20:58] <acheronuk> valorie: and lack of sleep http://paste.ubuntu.com/23310011/
[20:59] <valorie> yeah, I've been reading back
[20:59] <valorie> you have sure been doing your share of work, acheronuk
[20:59] <acheronuk> I've been mostly watching others do that
[21:00] <acheronuk> last few days anyway
[21:01]  * acheronuk stands KCI on it's head in case it might automagically work upsidedown
[21:01] <acheronuk> anything is worth a try at this point!
[21:01] <pedahzur> acheronuk: And when I look at the list of files here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports I don't see any dbgsym packages.
[21:02] <pedahzur> So...where are they all going... ? :)
[21:02] <ScottK> lisandro: there's a new upstream now.  Would you maybe be up for sponsoring if someone else packages and tests?
[21:03] <acheronuk> pedahzur: that view is just the source package names
[21:04] <acheronuk> pedahzur: click "View package details" and then filter by Xenial
[21:06] <acheronuk> pedahzur: then you get a list like this where you can use the expand icon to the left of each packafe to view details of what was built https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=xenial
[21:09] <pedahzur> acheronuk: Thanks for the details. Any idea why those dbgsym packages aren't showing up even though I have backports added (and have installed stuff from them).
[21:10] <pedahzur> Weird...in that filtered list you sent me acheronuk, there is no PIM, no KMail or anything.  Am I looking at the right list?
[21:18] <acheronuk> pedahzur: kdepim and apps are not fully tested for backports in Xenial yet, so you will not see those it that ppa. Just frameworks and plasma
[21:19] <acheronuk> apps and PIM you will be getting from the main ubuntu archive
[21:19] <acheronuk> pedahzur: and on debug symbols, in case you have not already see, please see -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[21:21] <pedahzur> acheronuk: Thanks...for some reason I was under the impression that the debug symbol packages were part of the main archive...
[21:22] <pedahzur> I wonder if that info should be added to https://community.kde.org/Guidelines_and_HOWTOs/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports#Kubuntu
[21:24] <valorie> that seems way out of date
[21:24] <valorie> especially since sitter's latest email about crash handling error reports
[21:25] <valorie> although I never saw a reply from us about it
[21:25] <pedahzur> Whoops. Err:26 http://ddebs.ubuntu.com xenial-security/main amd64 Packages "404 Not Found"
[21:36] <valorie> hmmm, I'm trying to update that KDE wiki page
[21:36] <valorie> easier said than done
[21:43] <valorie> ok, updated a tiny bit and added that crash report link
[21:44] <pedahzur> ARRRGHH!!! Installed akregator-dbgsym and it still says the debug information for /usr/bin/akregator is missing. Siiiiigh.
[21:46] <valorie> sounds like our packaging is a bit askew
[21:46] <valorie> pedahzur: can you do a `ubuntu-bug akregator-dbgsym` and report that?
[21:47] <valorie> in the clie
[21:47] <valorie> I mean commandline
[21:51] <pedahzur> valorie: OK, what do I put in the bug report? That I installed the dbgsym but KDE's crash report still says I don't have debug symbols installed?
[21:51] <valorie> right, the exact error message would be useful
[21:51] <valorie> as you reported above
[21:53] <pedahzur> valorie: OK. Well, it's not an error message, per se, more KDE's crash handler saying "I'm not going to do a bug report because you don't have debug symbols instaleld for X, Y, Z."
[21:53] <valorie> that's an error message IMO
[21:53] <acheronuk> will likely need debug packages for some Qt5 components and plugins as well. the crash dialogue should have a 'list of files' link to tell you which ones
[21:53] <valorie> if the devels need more information they can ask for it
[21:54] <valorie> or I guess acheronuk can tell you now!
[21:58] <pedahzur> valorie: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/1632489
[21:59] <pedahzur> acheronuk: I also installed kdelibs5-dbg I assumed that would pull in any packages needed for debugging. Maybe not?
[22:01] <ahoneybun> man I am reinstalling everything on this PC when I get a change
[22:01] <ahoneybun> *chance
[22:06] <valorie> thank you pedahzur
[22:07] <ahoneybun> why is my wifi so slow...
[22:07] <ahoneybun> only with this laptop do I have issues like this
[22:07] <valorie> I keep having random slowdowns too
[22:07] <valorie> so hard to diagnose!
[22:08] <ahoneybun> well I blame my ISP as they messed with my settings somehow
[22:09] <ahoneybun> I keep getting kicked off my wifi every few mins
[22:09] <valorie> ewww
[22:10] <clivejo> welcome to my world
[22:10] <acheronuk> evening clive
[22:10] <clivejo> eakk
[22:10] <valorie> mine could be comcast, could be something else -- IRC ticks along fine, but occasionally it has problems resolving DNS for webpages
[22:10] <valorie> so strange
[22:10] <valorie> clivejo: ?
[22:10] <clivejo> Im supposed to be in hiding
[22:10] <acheronuk> why?
[22:11] <clivejo> until Friday
[22:11]  * valorie throws the invisibility cloak over clivejo
[22:11] <valorie> you better not miss Rik's membership meet!
[22:11] <acheronuk> I was tempted to hide until then, but I'm too nosy and curious
[22:17] <ahoneybun> I'm about to format this with Ubuntu or something 
 this is just beginning to be a pain
[22:21] <valorie> ahoneybun: and you're blaming Kubuntu?
 no?
 I blame my ISP for messing with my settings
 I just need something that works tbh
 60KBs is just no usuable and I can't take it
 even with WiFi
 that's a silly task to do
 5.8 added that
[22:25] <acheronuk> yikes. dial-ip speed!
[22:26] <acheronuk> *dial-up
 yea I know
 and I've been kicked off my wifi about 4 times now
[22:27] <pedahzur> valorie: You are welcome. I hope that it helpful.
[22:28] <valorie> me too
[22:29] <valorie> debug symbols haven't been working right for awhile
[22:29] <valorie> not sure it's our fault, but if it is, we should fix
[22:29] <acheronuk> seems drkonqi is now mostly useless at telling you what dpg packages to install 
[22:30] <acheronuk> not suer if that is the dbgsym migration, or something else
[22:33] <valorie> well, I believe that's why sitter wrote about debugging, but I don't have any knowledge in that domain
[22:33] <valorie> except that debug packages never get installed
[22:33]  * valorie restarts
[22:34] <ahoneybun> yay 25KBs
[22:43] <valorie> today's updates are still good -- I've been riding yakkety on this laptop since the day it opened
[22:43] <valorie> so far, so good!
 Going to test the beta on my machine
[22:58] <valorie> yeah, the new ISOs are still not spun
 I have Beta 2 still
[23:12] <clivejo> tick tock
 Installed and all updated
 No issues
[23:44] <clivejo> hmmm
[23:45] <clivejo> a kernel and nvidia driver update a day before release
[23:46] <tsimonq2> :/
[23:46] <valorie> always!
[23:48] <clivejo> what could possibly go wrong!
[23:49] <clivejo> sometimes I do wonder why there is a development cycle or FF's etc
[23:50] <ahoneybun> mm the hec : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23310682/
[23:50] <ahoneybun> apt -f install did work though
[23:50] <ahoneybun> that would have been my script
[23:52] <valorie> clivejo: to handle everything else, I can only assume
[23:52] <valorie> foundations team or whatever wants to be able to shove stuff in last min
[23:52] <valorie> always
[23:52] <clivejo> I cant put kdeconnect in, but they can put in a kernel :/
[23:52] <clivejo> last cycle mysql was pushed in last minute!
[23:53]  * ahoneybun looks for clive
[23:53] <ahoneybun> 's kdenlive ppa
[23:54] <clivejo> why you looking for me :/
[23:55] <ahoneybun> your PPA
[23:55] <clivejo> I did nothing!
[23:55] <clivejo> wasnt me
[23:55] <ahoneybun> you did everything right though
[23:55] <tsimonq2> !harumph
[23:55] <tsimonq2> gosh darnit
[23:55] <ahoneybun>  <3 clivejo in a brotherly way
[23:56] <clivejo> it was either Haruld or Simon did it
[23:56] <tsimonq2> yeah ever since sitter broke KCI, things have never been the same
[23:56] <tsimonq2> (intentionally pinged him :P)
[23:57] <clivejo> sitter: BTW would clements have kept backups of the server? 
[23:59]  * clivejo thinks sitter is probably tucked up in bed with his silk sheets dreaming about ruby