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rcjcyphermox, hello.  Just saw your update on bug #1631519.  I've added a bit more detail in 2 more comments.  Didn't know if there was more I could do to move this along.00:57
ubot5bug 1631519 in xorg (Ubuntu) "No X on boot with external monitor connected" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163151900:57
cyphermoxrcj: that's good, I was asking trying to add more meat there, I'm probably not the best person to deal with X bugs01:01
rcjSame here sadly01:02
cyphermoxI'm running G2ETA4WW there, so a firmware revision smack in the middle of the two you pointed out, so it's probably not firmware01:02
cyphermoxare you booting in EFI?01:02
rcjyes01:02
rcjYou?01:03
cyphermoxthen that isn't a variable either01:03
cyphermoxyes01:03
cyphermoxthat was in case there was less mucking with video in that case or something01:03
rcjDo you know of someone to reach out to for more X expertise?01:04
cyphermoxnot really01:04
cyphermoxbut I did just get your bug01:05
cyphermoxmoving from miniDP to DP on the dock after being booted01:05
cyphermoxfor me with the cable connected X always starts01:05
rcjIt fails reliably here.  What does work is DVI from the doc to the 1920x1200 Dell monitor.01:06
cyphermoxand now I can't reproduce it anymore01:07
rcjoh, you had reproduced it?01:08
cyphermoxonce01:08
rcjThat's heartening01:10
cyphermoxI subscribed Alberto, he may be able to help once he sees the bug.01:14
rcjcyphermox, Thank you.01:14
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hikikoHi04:55
pittiGood morning06:32
didrocksgood morning pitti !06:37
pittibonjour didrocks !06:38
seb128good morning desktopers06:40
seb128hey didrocks&pitti06:40
pittihey seb128 !06:40
pittihappy release week, desktop team!06:40
seb128indeed!06:43
* duflu falls off chair06:45
dufluFor some reason it always creeps up06:46
willcookeo/07:53
TheMusoHey willcooke.,07:54
willcookeevening TheMuso07:54
seb128hey willcooke, TheMuso, how are you?07:56
willcookeseb128, ready for a holiday :)07:56
willcookejust need to do a week long sprint first ;)07:56
TheMusoseb128: Not too bad thanks. Yourself?07:56
seb128do you have one coming?07:56
seb128I'm good, thanks!07:56
willcookeseb128, I've just booked off the week after the sprint, but it's not been approved yet07:56
seb128oh ok07:57
seb128do you have any plan?07:57
seb128going to somewhere more sunny with the familly? ;-)07:57
willcookeIt's school holidays that week so we might do a few day tips here and there and then we have friends coming on Thursday to Sunday07:58
willcookes/tips/trips07:58
TheMusoSounds nice. Gives you a good reason to get away from the computer.07:58
willcookeTheMuso, :)07:59
seb128TheMuso, do you have the hardware to reproduce bug #1574324 now?07:59
ubot5bug 1574324 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "pulseaudio crashes when connecting to bluetooth headphones (due to ubuntu changes?)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157432407:59
seb128willcooke, enjoy in any case ;-)07:59
TheMusoseb128: Yes, I just posted to that bug earlier. I am making slow but steady progress.08:00
seb128great08:00
TheMusoBluetooth is my priority atm because its a bit of a mess, both for Xenial and yakkety.08:01
flexiondotorgMorning all08:01
TheMusoHey flexiondotorg.08:01
flexiondotorgTheMuso, o/08:01
seb128hey flexiondotorg08:01
flexiondotorgseb128, Morning08:01
seb128TheMuso, bluetooth with audio?08:02
willcookemorning flexiondotorg08:02
flexiondotorgwillcooke, Morning08:02
TheMusoseb128: Yes.08:04
seb128I see08:04
Laneymoin08:05
flexiondotorgLaney, morning.08:07
seb128hey Laney08:07
Laneyahoy08:07
Laneyhow's it going?08:07
seb128cold!08:08
seb128but good otherwise08:08
seb128I miss the spain weather, at least in the evening/morning08:08
seb128you better take some long sleeves for next week08:09
Laneycold here too08:10
didrocksdon't worry seb128, we will run every single morning and you will be warm that way! :)08:11
didrocks(hey guys!)08:11
seb128lol08:11
Laney/o\08:11
didrocks6am sharp!08:11
Laneymaybe this is the spring where we go climbing08:11
didrocksas we start at 8:30am :)08:11
* seb128 hacks didrocks's phone to change the wakeup setting08:11
* didrocks has an IoT backup, fortunately08:12
seb128that's ok, it's on snappy right? not reliable enough to scare me :p08:12
Laneyah, IoT08:12
* Laney hacks it08:12
* Laney Fancy Bear08:12
didrockscan't, because we have snap confinement! :)08:13
Laneyah man08:14
Laneyso08:14
Laneywho knows how dns is supposed to be set up these days?08:15
Laneymy laptop is in the same state as yesterday when I couldn't get online08:15
Laneyseems no names will resolve08:15
seb128p_itti?08:15
* Laney has left it borked for investigation purposes08:15
seb128well I guess it's a valid case for ping08:15
seb128pitti, ^ it might be one you have clues about?08:16
Laneydnsmasq is running there (/etc/resolv.conf says 127.0.1.1)08:16
Laneyon this working desktop it's 192.168.1.1 & 127.0.0.53 and dnsmasq just seems to be running for libvirt08:17
pittiLaney: we reverted DNS to the xenial state for NM, so shouldn't be any change; what does "dig A www.ubuntu.com @127.0.1.1" say?08:17
Laneypitti: it's timing out08:17
pittiLaney: hm, that "working" one isn't upgraded yet?08:17
Laneyerm08:17
Laneysince when?08:18
LaneyI do have an n-m update pending08:18
pittihttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/1.2.4-0ubuntu108:18
pitti(Sep 28)08:18
pittibefore we used resolved everywhere, but that doesn't work with split-horizon DNS setups yet08:19
pittiand I noticed too late that upstream's NM now has a resolved plugin (next cycle), so I reverted to dnsmasq08:19
Laneyoh, nope, that was just n-m-openvpn08:19
pittibut not sure why it would hang08:19
Laneyoh, WAIT08:19
LaneyI don't have n-m here :P08:19
* Laney forgot about his stupid hacks08:19
pittiheh08:19
Laneyso, just the laptop with dnsmasq which is timing out after resume08:19
* seb128 stares at Laney08:20
Laneyyesterday I restarted network-manager and it started working08:20
seb128what did you do?!08:20
thumpero/ seb128, pitti08:20
LaneyI wanted a bridge so put the config into /e/n/i08:20
seb128hey thumper, how are you?08:20
pittihey thumper!08:20
thumpersitting with a wine looking for a european to talk to08:20
thumperwell, one particular european08:20
Laneydnsmasq is just the most opaque thing to me though08:20
thumperso, pretty good08:20
pittiLaney: this is unusual -- so the new crack everyone complains about works, but the old tried-and-true dnsmasq doesn't??08:20
seb128thumper, online talk? ;-)08:21
pittiLaney: can you 'strace -e connect' it to see which DNS servers it's trying to talk to?08:21
pittiLaney: should be the one that NM picked up via DHCP08:21
thumperyeah, just like all my friends are virtual08:21
thumpermy wife hastles me all the time08:21
seb128lol08:21
pittithumper: you mean there are non-virtual friends?08:21
thumperha08:22
LaneyI have some dnsmasq processes which are talking about lxdbr0 too08:22
Laneyok, stracing (on dnsmasq, right?)08:22
pittiLaney: right, the one spawned by NM08:22
pittiLaney: systemctl status NetworkManager to get its pid08:22
pitti(or deduce it from their CLI arguments)08:23
pittiLaney: one oddity that I know is that restarting NM does *not* restart dnsmasq08:23
pitti# NM doesn't want systemd to kill its children for it08:23
pittiKillMode=process08:23
pitti^ from NetworkManager.service08:23
Laneywtf08:24
pittiso if it's in a bad state, this needs to be killed separately08:24
pitti(no idea why it would do that)08:24
Laneyno connect, but some sendto (... dns request... inet_addr=192.168.1.1) = -1 ENODEV (No such device)08:24
flexiondotorgLaney, I'm a bit stalled on #1623856 and #1623835. You mentioned Firefox tooltips need some love, shall I sort while I think on regarding the other two?08:24
Laneybug #1623856 bug #1623835.08:25
flexiondotorgFor the bot, that is LP: #162385608:25
ubot5bug 1623856 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Updated gtk element means you need to specify a size on the details drop down or it is only 1 line high" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162385608:25
ubot5bug 1623835 in deja-dup (Ubuntu) "Updated gtk element means you need to specify a size on the details drop down or it is only 1 line high" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162383508:25
pittiLaney: hmm; I suppose killing that process and reconnecting to your AP (via nm-applet) fixes it?08:25
pittiLaney: 192.168.1.1 looks right, is it?08:25
Laneyyes08:25
pitti(i. e. your router)08:25
LaneyI can ping it too08:25
flexiondotorgI've tried setting min_content_height in the UI. No dice.08:25
Laneyflexiondotorg: One minute08:26
flexiondotorgSure.08:26
Laneypitti: Well, as I expected, killing it made things work again08:27
jibelhi, thunderbird 45.3 is crashing this morning in Yakkety. Is it known?08:27
jibelnvm it's with proposed enabled08:28
pittiLaney: so sendto() without connect() could mean that on startup it only connect()ed to 192.168.1.1 once, and then the network interface went away/came back08:28
pittiLaney: I would have assumed that it would do UDP and connect() for every request, not keep it open08:28
pittiLaney: but this is just speculating, I don't know dnsmasq's guts I'm afraid08:28
pittii. e. ENODEV sounds like "my underlying network interface went away"08:29
LaneyI do have two routes to 192.168.1.1 via the wlan and ethernet08:29
pittioh08:29
seb128jibel, could be what was mentioned on #ubuntu-devel an hour ago08:29
Laney*and* this bug happened yesterday morning and this morning when I connected to both08:29
pittiLaney: now, that doesn't sound healthy08:29
Laneybut *not* yesterday evening when I was only on the wlan08:29
* Laney shrugs08:29
Laneyit's always worked until now :)08:29
pittiLaney: two different metrics, I suppose/hope08:29
jibelseb128, very likely, thanks.08:30
seb128jibel, yw!08:30
pittiLaney: I'd assume that eth is faster to connect and has a higher metric, so not sure why a running process woudl suddenly want to use the wifi one08:30
pittiLaney: or could it be that the ethernet (re)connected later on for some reason?08:30
Laneydefault         DD-WRT          0.0.0.0         UG    100    0        0 enx0023563c305408:30
Laneydefault         DD-WRT          0.0.0.0         UG    600    0        0 wlan008:30
pittiLaney: if dnsmasq started while 192.168.1.1 was routed via wlan, then eth came up and trumped its route with a higher metric, that might explain it08:30
pittithat looks right08:31
Laneybring back resolvd!08:31
Laneyresolved08:31
pitti(I think higher metric == lower prio)08:31
pittiLaney: drop dns=dnsmasq from /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf :)08:32
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Laneyflexiondotorg: I was looking at a different thing to you I think08:53
flexiondotorgAh, OK.08:53
Laneydetails of the update itself, from the list of updates versus the progress thingy08:53
flexiondotorgYeah, so I've looked at both.08:53
LaneyGtk's giving some warnings about the latter08:54
flexiondotorgThe progress while downloading.08:54
LaneyThat's probably the hint08:54
flexiondotorgAnd the vte details.08:54
LaneySomething's not asking for size right08:54
flexiondotorgOK, I've just create a new VM and installed the GTK dev tools.08:54
flexiondotorgI'll have another look.08:54
flexiondotorgRegarding FF tooltips, shall I work on a merge proposal?08:55
LaneySure, feel free, can whack those in the same SRU08:55
flexiondotorgOK/ I'll do that first then return the update manager (and related issues).08:56
LaneyI fear that it's something about the size the widgets are requesting, for the progress / vte case08:57
Sweet5harkmoin08:57
Laneyg'day Sweet5hark09:00
Laneywhat's the news?09:00
* Sweet5hark is just checking the late fix for LibreOffice that build overnight in a ppa ...09:02
LaneyProbably a good idea to prepare that as an SRU09:17
Sweet5harkwill anyone from the desktop team be at http://www.opensourcesummit.paris/?lg=en? seb128? didrocks?09:30
didrocksSweet5hark: was supposed to, my talk was accepted, but some internal issues prevented this to happen09:36
Sweet5harkdidrocks: hmm, meh. from what I see that event is ... relevant.09:37
Sweet5harkseb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/yakkety/5.2.2/libreoffice_5.2.2-0ubuntu2_source.changes <- here is the prepared upload for the "unreadable tabs" issue. This was testbuild in the libreoffice-staging ppa and smoketested.10:02
davmor2Laney, willcooke, vigo: guys I seem to be having issue with indicator-network crashing on i386 looks like network-manager-openvpn might be taking it out10:13
davmor2I'll try a fresh install but if that fails I'll try and get a report filed for it10:14
vigodavmor2, ack10:14
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willcookethanks davmor210:15
davmor2willcooke: meh happens in live session too but at least there I can access the wifi network, bug #163227510:24
ubot5Error: Launchpad bug 1632275 could not be found10:24
willcookedavmor2, is it a private bug?10:25
davmor2willcooke: let me public it, it is an apport bug so hidden initially10:25
davmor2willcooke: opened up10:25
willcookeseb128, are you running 16.10 on your 32 bit machine?  Do you see that?  ^10:28
davmor2willcooke: this is bailing on live desktop the only reason I think I missed it is I've been using the xps for 64 bit testing and the kvm for i386 so no wifi and no secrets10:30
willcookeah, kk10:30
* willcooke wonders who our indicator-network expert is, c_harles perhaps?10:31
davmor2willcooke: no ofcourse I'm testing on hardware for final :(  he is for phone not sure if he has touched the desktop applet10:31
davmor2willcooke: actually attente is the guy working on nm indicator currently iirc10:32
willcookenope10:33
willcookemaybe you're thinking of wellark10:33
davmor2willcooke: yes sorry10:34
davmor2willcooke: but again that is indicator in unity7 it is still the applet10:34
davmor2let try that in a sentence willcooke: but again that is indicator, in unity7 it is still the applet so no idea who looks after that10:35
willcookeseb128, when you're about - can you help steer this to the right place? (bug# 1632275)10:37
willcookehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/163227510:37
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1632275 in indicator-network (Ubuntu) "indicator-network-secret-agent crashed with SIGSEGV in do_lookup_x()" [Undecided,Confirmed]10:37
Trevinhodavmor2: yeah, we've still the applet in u710:38
Trevinhowell, nm-applet using indicator-application10:38
willcookeyeah, and it looks like its the indicator thats crashing10:39
davmor2jibel: ^ fyi10:39
davmor2willcooke: looking at the tracker there is someone else who hit it in the i386 image so that is it confirmed but I opened a fresh bug incase it was different we can link them all together after.10:45
willcookedavmor2, ack10:45
davmor2willcooke: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/368/builds/132995/testcases/1303/results/ middle one of the green bugs10:46
LaneyIt happens on an i386 live image10:47
LaneyTry asking pete-woods10:47
LaneyI think he wrote some/most of this stuff10:47
willcookethanks Laney10:47
davmor2willcooke: oh so it looks like it is a new bug because it didn't affect amd64 so I don't know if there was a new image last night let me have a look10:48
davmor2I'll fire up and amd64 and double check that10:48
LaneyYou're probably just seeing it now because indicator-network got seeded10:48
LaneyThere's not been a new image10:48
davmor2Laney: but there is a guy confirm it on amd64 and yesterday that worked fine in testing10:49
LaneyDoesn't change the fact that there hasn't been a new image10:49
LaneyThere's a way to reproduce it (i386 live session), I wouldn't bother trying to do any more research unless pete-woods wants help10:50
davmor2Laney: indeed might just be that netboot was affected by it10:50
davmor2wasn't even10:51
Laneycould be that it exists only in some circumstances10:51
Laneywillcooke: are you doing the ping thing?10:51
willcookeLaney, you mean speaking to Pete?  Yeah10:52
Laneyye10:52
Laneyta10:52
davmor2Laney: indeed10:52
willcookewell, trying to, no reply yet but he's probably busy.  If I can't raise him I will try awe once he's on line10:52
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davmor2hmmm still can't reproduce on my system with broadcom or with ralink11:05
qengho'sup.11:16
* flexiondotorg seeks out food11:36
vigodavmor2, after UEFI installation in my amd64 laptop I have internet connection but the icon in upper bar is the ethernet one instead of Wi-Fi11:38
vigohave you seen it before?11:38
davmor2vigo: that is part of the issue that I reported it is that the icon resets to default as the indicator restarts11:39
vigothe one you found for i386?11:39
davmor2vigo: yes it affects everything just isn't as noticable on amd6411:40
vigodavmor2, I see :) thanks11:42
jbichaseb128: evolution is having Google rate limiting problems too https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77154711:55
ubot5Gnome bug 771547 in Mailer "Internal Google OAuth2 authentication fails with expired token" [Normal,Reopened]11:55
jbichaI assume it's not really related to the browser geolocation api issue but I thought I'd mention it anyway11:55
desrtgood morning!12:09
vigodavmor2, In my old pc (amd+nvidia+ralink) the Wi-Fi connection got lost after accepting 3rd party drivers+ Download updates screen12:10
vigoWi-Fi icon got blank and no way to connect it again, already reported?12:11
vigoor is part of that bug affecting i386?12:11
davmor2vigo: yeah it might be down to a bunch of things so anything you thing is relevant add to the bug and it might add more info the devs to find a cause/fix12:13
vigodavmor2, sure :)12:13
Laneyhi desrt!12:14
Laneyhave you given sufficient thanks?12:14
desrti have12:17
desrtwas a very good weekend, and a good send-off12:17
* desrt is on her way to the sprint tomorrow12:18
Laneyearly haaging?12:18
desrtyup12:18
desrti always enjoy a good haaging.  figured i'd start now.12:19
Laneynice12:19
Laneygo see escher12:19
desrt(i'm not actually going to the hague)12:19
desrt(....yet)12:19
Laney._.12:21
* Laney heads to the post office & food office12:25
* flexiondotorg returns12:29
seb128willcooke, what Laney said for the indicator issue (sorry was at lunch+some errands)12:38
seb128hey desrt, how are you?12:38
desrtvery good, thanks12:38
desrthow was your weekend?12:38
seb128saturday was good, still in Spain enjoying the nice weather, sunday was travelling back and unpacking/getting things in shape before resuming a work mode week12:41
seb128jbicha, thanks, doesn't look really similar indeed (not the same api nor key) but thanks for pointing it out12:42
willcookeseb128, Laney - no reply from Pete, chasing with a_lecu now12:52
willcookedavmor2, fyi ^12:53
flexiondotorgLaney, while looking at Tooltips for FF, they seems to be absent from many apps.12:59
flexiondotorgWorking on it.13:00
jbichaflexiondotorg: a lot of GNOME stuff doesn't have tooltips; do the tooltips show up with Adwaita?13:29
flexiondotorgjbicha, Yeah, I checked the code.13:29
flexiondotorgTooltips that were once there are no longer :-)13:29
jbicha:(13:30
flexiondotorgTooltips don't render correctly in Ubuntu, but that is another issue altogether.13:30
flexiondotorgjbicha, I mean, tooltips are removed from the code.13:30
jbichanautilus 3.22 adds tooltips back!13:30
jbichafor the toolbar at least13:31
flexiondotorgYep, And I'm looking at 3.20 here. As you say, no tool tips in the toolbar.13:32
Laneyflexiondotorg: What does "Tooltips don't render correctly in Ubuntu" mean?13:47
flexiondotorgLaney, They intended to be rendered with rounded boarders.13:48
flexiondotorgBut are drawn on a rectangular black background, so appear rectangular.13:48
flexiondotorgPresent in 16.04 and 16.10.13:49
flexiondotorgOpen Nautilus and hover over Desktop in the side panel in Xenial or Yakkety.13:49
LaneyDidn't know that there was anything wrong with that13:50
seb128flexiondotorg, it was fixed in a SRU in xenial13:55
* flexiondotorg checks for updates...13:56
seb128sorry it was a SRU in wily13:57
seb128should be fine in xenial13:57
seb128you use unity?13:57
seb128was fixed in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/3.16.7-0ubuntu413:58
flexiondotorgseb128, Yep, using Unity on all computers.13:58
seb128k, weird13:58
LaneyThey are rounded13:58
flexiondotorgseb128, It regressed :-(13:59
seb128for me too13:59
flexiondotorgReally?13:59
seb128flexiondotorg, can you do a screnshot on xenial?13:59
seb128what theme do you use?13:59
flexiondotorgAmbiance13:59
seb128weird13:59
seb128but yeah, nautilus sidebar tooltips for example are rounded on current xenial for me13:59
jbichaflexiondotorg: it looks rounded but with a black rectangle background like you said on xenial14:01
jbichaI had to squint closely at my screen14:02
seb128https://launchpadlibrarian.net/221853364/tooltip.png was the original bug14:02
seb128that's fixed for me at least14:02
jbichaI'm using VirtualBox and that's what it looks like for me now on xenial14:03
flexiondotorgseb128, http://imgur.com/a/7sagJ14:03
flexiondotorgI'm on hardware. Intel Iris 540.14:03
Laneyok, I've been checking 16.10 since you said it happens there14:03
seb128flexiondotorg, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/xenial.png is my xenial14:05
Laneyhttp://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/tooltip.png yakkety14:05
flexiondotorgOK, going to test this on my XPS 15 with nvidia drivers.14:07
Laneyin a 16.04 VM I do see this though14:08
Laney:-o!14:08
seb128lowgfx mode thing?14:09
willcookethats what I was thinking14:09
willcookebut I run lowgfx mode here all the time, and it's ok for me14:09
seb128or maybe compositing/rendering14:09
seb128like software rendering issue14:09
seb128in vm14:09
seb128but flexiondotorg said he's having the bug "on hardware" which I guess mean non-vm14:10
flexiondotorgMy main computer is a Skull Canyon NUC. No VM here.14:10
flexiondotorgJust checked low graphics mode. It is not enabled.14:12
flexiondotorgI'm really pleased I didn't start try to fix this.14:12
jbichahow do you check for low graphics mode?14:13
LaneyCOMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE14:13
flexiondotorgOK, Dell XPS 15 in Intel mode also exhibits the issue.14:14
flexiondotorgBoth are Skylake graphics.14:14
flexiondotorgnvidia drivers on the same XPS 15 do not exhibit the issue.14:22
* flexiondotorg looks at 3 computers his eyes no longer trust :-(14:22
* Laney is happy that the theme is exonerated14:23
seb128intel driver issue then?14:23
flexiondotorgSpecifically Skylake.14:24
seb128fun14:24
seb128do you use the intel driver or modesettings?14:24
flexiondotorgIntel driver.14:25
flexiondotorgCompletely default.14:25
flexiondotorgThe Firefox tooltips I've submitted a merge proposal for work just fine however.14:26
LaneyThey're probably drawn differently14:27
flexiondotorgYep, they are.14:30
flexiondotorgBut a good job too, otherwise I'd still be sat here trying to fix them.,14:30
seb128flexiondotorg, well, there is still a bug worth fixing there, but probably not a trivial one...14:43
flexiondotorgIndeed. I've made a note to circle back to it after release.14:45
Sweet5harkseb128: did you see this? -> (12:02:18) Sweet5hark: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/yakkety/5.2.2/libreoffice_5.2.2-0ubuntu2_source.changes <- here is the prepared upload for the "unreadable tabs" issue. This was testbuild in the libreoffice-staging ppa and smoketested.14:49
seb128Sweet5hark, yeah I saw but got sidetracked on other bugs, looking at it now, thanks for the reminder15:06
Sweet5harkseb128: no worries, just wanted to be sure it wouldnt have disappeared in something like a disconnect on my side.15:09
seb128right, no I saw it ;-)15:10
Laneyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZy_sBW7jz0&feature=youtu.be15:24
Laney:D15:24
seb128Sweet5hark, libreoffice in the review queue15:25
Sweet5harkseb128: awesome, thanks!15:25
seb128yw, thanks for the fix update!15:26
willcookegah15:31
willcooke#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-10-1115:31
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seb128lol15:31
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Trevinho\o15:32
willcookeroll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, flexiondotorg, happyaron, hikiko (out), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)15:32
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* Sweet5hark reporting in.15:32
willcookeRight, let's get started15:33
willcooke#topic andyrock15:33
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andyrockstill working on unity8 tooltips15:34
andyrocki'm working on a failure on one unit test15:34
andyrockthat happens just on CI and not locally15:34
andyrockI had to rebase the branches several time due to the unified-stages branch15:34
andyrockthat's it basically15:35
andyrock*times15:35
willcookethanks andyrock15:35
willcooke#topic attente15:35
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attentehi, holiday yesterday, still working on gtk-mir clipboard support, making some progress there15:35
attente(eof)15:35
willcookethanks attente15:35
willcooke#topic desrt15:35
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willcookelet's come back, she was around earlier.  Oh, travelling perhaps.15:37
willcooke#topic dgadomski15:37
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dgadomskihey15:37
dgadomski* darktable snap rejected upstream (apparently they are not interested in producing any binary builds at all)15:37
willcooke:(15:38
dgadomski* working on rawtherapee snap15:38
willcookeI've had similar problems with other upstreams15:38
dgadomski* working on bug #1550983 - was able to reproduce it15:38
ubot5bug 1550983 in virt-manager (Ubuntu) "Fails to start with "Couldn't open libGL.so.1" (missing dependency?)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155098315:38
dgadomskiI guess they just trying to avoid any potential work on their side15:38
dgadomski* debugged some ifupdown issues that turned out to be misconfigurations15:38
dgadomskieof15:38
willcookethanks dgadomski15:39
willcooke#topic FJKong15:39
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FJKonghi15:39
FJKongnot much to update because of long holiday of National Day last week.15:39
FJKongI am looking into the bug of can't using input method in sanp package, telegram for example, it is critical thing15:39
FJKongeof15:39
willcookethanks FJKong15:39
willcooke#topic flexiondotorg15:39
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flexiondotorg• Created debdiff (explicitly disconnect keymap signals) for gtk+2.0 for Yakkety and Xenial SRU and subscribed ubuntu-sponsors (LP: #1576424)15:39
ubot5Launchpad bug 1576424 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "Gimp crashes with text tool & caps lock" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157642415:39
flexiondotorg• Holiday on Friday 7th October15:39
flexiondotorg• Created a merge proposal (white borders encroaching into the window decorations) for ubuntu-themes for Yakkety (LP: #1624571)15:39
ubot5Launchpad bug 1624571 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "White lines visible around LibreOffice toolbars in when using GTK3" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162457115:39
flexiondotorg• Created a merge proposal (Firefox add-ons and Certificate Viewer not rendering tabs) for ubuntu-themes for Yakkety (LP: #1631208)15:39
ubot5Launchpad bug 1631208 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Tabs in Firefox dialogs are not rendered (for add-on options & Certificate Viewer)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163120815:39
flexiondotorg• Created a merge proposal (Firefox black borders on search/location entry boxes) for ubuntu-themes for Yakkety (LP: #1624738)15:39
ubot5Launchpad bug 1624738 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Firefox search and location boxes have black borders when unselected" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162473815:39
flexiondotorg• Created a merge proposal (Firefox tooltips)  for ubuntu-themes for Yakkety (LP: #1478173)15:40
ubot5Launchpad bug 1478173 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Ambiance & Radiance themes are missing a "background-color" for tooltip elements (needed for GTK3-enabled Firefox Nightly)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147817315:40
flexiondotorg• Still working on (LP: #1623856) and (LP: #1623856)15:40
ubot5Launchpad bug 1623856 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Updated gtk element means you need to specify a size on the details drop down or it is only 1 line high" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162385615:40
flexiondotorg• ISO QA testing15:40
flexiondotorgeof15:40
willcooke:) thanks flexiondotorg15:40
willcooke#topic happyaron15:40
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willcookehappyaron, please let me have your updates by email15:41
willcooke#topic hikiko15:41
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willcooke1- rolling windows bug progress:15:41
willcooke |-- found out that it's not related to minimize but to the decorations15:41
willcooke |-- status: partially fixed needs some extra work15:41
willcooke2- low gfx:15:41
willcooke |-- I have some branches awaiting review from 1-2 weeks ago (for15:41
willcookeexample the moving windows)15:41
willcooke |-- I am still looking at other possible optimisations15:41
willcooke3- general rendering problems:15:41
willcooke |-- there were some rendering issues, I discovered in the past which I15:41
willcookedidn't have time to investigate, I try to see if I could fix any of those15:41
willcookeEOF15:41
willcooke#topic Laney15:41
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Laney• All the hard bugs (nautilus overlapping icons, indicator-keyboard breaking the sources)15:42
Laney• Fix terminal and system-settings to not show on U8 properly15:42
Laney• Upload u-c-c pending fixes, revert a string change (to restore later)15:42
Laney• Sponsor the contest wallpapers and some other fixes (nm-openvpn, themes, gnome-calculator)15:42
Laney• Upload new appstream-glib to debian + sync15:42
Laney• Moar queue reviews and stuff15:42
Laney🚦15:42
willcooke:) thanks Laney15:42
willcooke#topic qengho15:42
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qenghodone: Cr 53.15:43
qenghodone: Celebrated Columbus Day! Yay! Columbus!15:43
qenghoin-progress: fixing problems related to switch to Cr's new build system. broken high-DPI & gsettings. maybe widevine component?15:43
qenghoin-progress: debugging google-api complaints. I no longer trust the Dev console15:43
qenghostats. Works way more often than graph shows.15:43
qenghoto-do: CJK fonts in Browser snap.15:43
qenghoEOF15:43
willcookethanks qengho15:43
willcooke#topic seb12815:43
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seb128• backlog post holidays15:43
seb128• sponsored libreoffice fix for bjoern15:43
seb128• some daily iso testing and yakkety bugs triaging15:43
seb128</dayandanhalf>15:43
willcooke:)15:43
willcookethanks seb12815:43
willcooke#topic Sweet5hark15:43
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Sweet5hark- finally fixed bug 1527053 for 0-day SRU with a minimal hackish vendor patch15:44
Sweet5hark-- testbuild and smoketested, looks good15:44
Sweet5hark- some prep for "Netzpolitischer Kongress" Berlin, 2016-10-2815:44
Sweet5hark- some mentoring, some triage upstream15:44
Sweet5hark- managed to (re-)upload LibreOffice 5.2.2 to snappy store15:44
Sweet5hark-- this failed with an unexplained "ooops" from the store last time with the same file, seem to be ok this time around15:44
Sweet5hark-- seems to have worked now: installable from the store15:44
ubot5bug 1527053 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Tab names unreadable in GTK3 in Ubuntu" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152705315:44
Sweet5harkEOF15:44
willcookethanks Sweet5hark15:44
willcooke#topic TheMuso15:44
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willcooke* Continued working on bug 1574324. As per my latest update in the bug, I am pretty sure I have narrowed it down to a single patch that causes the issue, however I don't think its a single change that causes things to break. Work continues.15:44
willcooke* Yakkety iso testing, focusing on a11y. Still can't load Orca from Ubiquity when booting directly into the installer. Too late to track down, as before not bothered since focus is usually on the LTS when it comes to recommending an accessible Ubuntu version.15:44
willcooke* Started taking another look at the snaps I started packaging a while back, almost got one ready to uplado to teh store, that being flac.15:44
ubot5bug 1574324 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "pulseaudio crashes when connecting to bluetooth headphones (due to ubuntu changes?)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157432415:44
willcooke#topic tkamppeter15:44
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tkamppeter- cups-filters: Fixed bug in pdftopdf which makes duplex printing not working correctly when only a part of the pages of the document is selected for printing.15:44
tkamppeter- snappy: Worked on the snap for the printing stack.15:44
tkamppeter- cups-filters: Synced 1.11.4 from Debian.15:44
tkamppeter- foomatic-db: Synced current version from Debian.15:44
tkamppeter- Bugs.15:44
willcookethanks tkamppeter15:45
willcooke#topic Trevinho15:45
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Trevinho· Some more tuning to the unity8 menu items to work with touch and pointer15:45
Trevinho· Rewritten the UI of the unity8 calendar indicator menu to match new style15:45
Trevinho· Created radio menu items for unity815:45
Trevinho· Various discussions with design (and a meeting about multi-monitor)15:45
Trevinho /EOF15:45
willcookethanks Trevinho15:45
willcooke#topic robert_ancell15:45
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willcooke- GNOME Software / snapd bug fixing15:45
willcooke- XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP fixes15:45
willcooke#topic AOB15:46
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willcookeMoar testing please15:46
willcookeTrying to get to the bottom of the BT issues atm15:46
willcookeLaney is working on the net-indicator et al one15:46
willcookeU8 is working though, complete with Terminal15:46
willcookeI'm writing instructions for adding some snaps and some other apps from the PPA15:47
willcookeAnyone got anything else?15:47
willcookegoing once15:47
seb128do we need to prepare anything for next week?15:47
desrto/15:47
willcookeah!15:47
willcooke#topic desrt15:47
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desrtsorry15:47
desrttrying to catch up after a disaster of a week15:48
desrtwas a short one (holiday yesterday) and was sick for a lot of it :/15:48
desrtfeeling better now, though, and looking forward to seeing everyone at the sprint15:48
seb128:-)15:48
willcookeglad you're on the mend15:48
willcooke#topic aob15:49
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desrtquick meeting today :)15:49
willcookeseb128, prep.. check the sessions on the sprint planning spreadsheet (session tab, not agenda tab) and see if you want to add anything15:49
seb128k15:49
seb128we didn't have one of those weeks in so long that I don't remember how they work15:50
willcooke:))15:50
seb128we have a desktop room but also sessions UDS like in parrallel?15:50
seb128so we default to team hacking when there is no session15:51
seb128right?15:51
willcookeI think morning is sessions and afternoon is follow up work15:51
seb128k15:51
willcookewhere follow up = more meetings / hack15:51
seb128I'm sure we are going to figure it out on monday15:51
willcookeplus I have a list of topics I'd like to talk to people about15:51
Trevinhooh, it would be a nice event :)15:51
Trevinhowill be*15:51
willcookein our team15:51
Trevinho(hopefully :-))15:51
seb128looking forward seeing everyone!15:51
willcooke\o/15:51
seb128k15:51
willcookeoki, I gotta go do things15:52
willcookeso15:52
willcooke#endmeeting15:52
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Oct 11 15:52:04 2016 UTC.15:52
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-10-11-15.31.moin.txt15:52
seb128thanks!15:52
Laneyhopefully this cough/cold will have ended by then15:53
Laneyor you get a nice dose of the laneyflu15:53
willcookeditto15:53
seb128urg16:00
flexiondotorgwillcooke, What specific BT issues are you investigating?16:00
willcookeflexiondotorg, see the last hour or so in #distro on the Canonical server16:08
flexiondotorgOK16:08
Sweet5harkseb128: FWIW, https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92776#c15 <- it seems the "unreadable tabs" issue happens on yakkety/gtk 3.20 only, but not on xenial/gtk 3.18, which is curious.16:14
ubot5bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 92776 in UI "UI: Tab names unreadable in GTK3 in Ubuntu" [Normal,New]16:14
seb128Sweet5hark, not so curious, gtk theming changed quite a bit in the new version and the theme reflected those changes16:15
Sweet5harkseb128: still, as the theme has a separate subfolder for 3.20 and libreoffice is ifdefs like mad for various minimal 3.xx versions, the root cause could be any (or all) of 1/ the theme 2/ gtk 3/ ifdefs in libreoffice :/16:17
seb128sounds like fun16:17
Sweet5harkseb128: yeah, TBH I wont touch that jenga tower anymore for yakkety. Rather look at libreoffice 5.3 and gtk 3.22 (when will that be?) to stabilize ...16:20
seb128yeah, that makes sense, new gtk for next cycle I guess16:21
seb128well let's see next week16:21
Sweet5harkyup16:21
seb128depends of priorities and things the team gets to work on16:21
* Sweet5hark hums track 2 of that 1991 Queen album.16:23
cyphermoxwillcooke: around?16:39
willcookecyphermox, yo!16:40
willcookeerm16:40
willcookeactually, depends what you want me to do16:40
willcooke:)16:40
cyphermoxwell it's not something likely to be fixable before release, but there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/1632133 ;)16:40
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1632133 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "'Access for Everyone' slide uses screenshot of Appearance System Settings dialogue from Xenial (not Yakkety)" [Medium,Triaged]16:40
cyphermoxthought you might be interested given that you did the other wallpaper/screenshot stuff this cycle :)16:41
willcookeaieeeee16:41
willcookeI will fix that rigth now if you will merge it16:41
cyphermoxsure16:41
willcookeon it16:41
cyphermoxthen we can harass infinity to land it if there's a respin16:42
willcookeI suspect there will be :/16:42
cyphermoxoh?16:42
willcookecouple of bugs I've got an eye on which I'm undecided are blockers or not16:42
cyphermoxdesktop bugs or stuff for me?16:42
willcookeand hey, it's only Tuesday16:42
willcookedesktop bugs yeah16:42
cyphermoxok16:43
willcookewe've got a whole day of testing tomorrow16:43
willcooke:)16:43
Laneythere definitely will be, and we're landing stuff with that expectation16:43
Laneyso be quick!16:43
willcookeinternet connection dont fail me now16:44
flocculantwillcooke: dodgy attempt to placate the desperate UK interwebz infrastructure there - unless you live in a biggish town :p16:48
* willcooke lives in the sticks16:48
flocculant:)16:49
* flexiondotorg Definitely has the most sticks.16:54
* flocculant looks out the window at the copse 16:54
flexiondotorgLaney, seb128 Just set up a new testing laptop with Intel HD 5500 graphics.16:55
flexiondotorgI observe that tooltip issue again.16:55
* flexiondotorg moos at the cows.16:55
seb128:-/16:55
willcookeflocculant, I miss read that as corpse17:10
willcookecyphermox, pour vous https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-1610/+merge/30815917:10
flocculantwillcooke: lol17:11
flocculantwillcooke: definitely less sticks on a corpse than in the copse :D17:13
willcooke:)17:14
Laneynot if you've done the job right17:15
Laney</sinister>17:16
flocculant:)17:16
cyphermoxwillcooke: merged and uploaded.17:21
willcookecyphermox, merci!17:22
* flexiondotorg goes to cook, back later for moar testing17:30
willcookel8r flexiondotorg17:32
seb128good evening desktopers18:15
willcookecya seb12818:15
seb128bye willcooke18:15
seb128see you tomorrow18:15
willcookeI'm off too - kids to bed time18:15
willcookenight all18:15

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