[00:57] <rcj> cyphermox, hello.  Just saw your update on bug #1631519.  I've added a bit more detail in 2 more comments.  Didn't know if there was more I could do to move this along.
[01:01] <cyphermox> rcj: that's good, I was asking trying to add more meat there, I'm probably not the best person to deal with X bugs
[01:02] <rcj> Same here sadly
[01:02] <cyphermox> I'm running G2ETA4WW there, so a firmware revision smack in the middle of the two you pointed out, so it's probably not firmware
[01:02] <cyphermox> are you booting in EFI?
[01:02] <rcj> yes
[01:03] <rcj> You?
[01:03] <cyphermox> then that isn't a variable either
[01:03] <cyphermox> yes
[01:03] <cyphermox> that was in case there was less mucking with video in that case or something
[01:04] <rcj> Do you know of someone to reach out to for more X expertise?
[01:04] <cyphermox> not really
[01:05] <cyphermox> but I did just get your bug
[01:05] <cyphermox> moving from miniDP to DP on the dock after being booted
[01:05] <cyphermox> for me with the cable connected X always starts
[01:06] <rcj> It fails reliably here.  What does work is DVI from the doc to the 1920x1200 Dell monitor.
[01:07] <cyphermox> and now I can't reproduce it anymore
[01:08] <rcj> oh, you had reproduced it?
[01:08] <cyphermox> once
[01:10] <rcj> That's heartening
[01:14] <cyphermox> I subscribed Alberto, he may be able to help once he sees the bug.
[01:14] <rcj> cyphermox, Thank you.
[04:55] <hikiko> Hi
[06:32] <pitti> Good morning
[06:37] <didrocks> good morning pitti !
[06:38] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[06:40] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:40] <seb128> hey didrocks&pitti
[06:40] <pitti> hey seb128 !
[06:40] <pitti> happy release week, desktop team!
[06:43] <seb128> indeed!
[06:45]  * duflu falls off chair
[06:46] <duflu> For some reason it always creeps up
[07:53] <willcooke> o/
[07:54] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke.,
[07:54] <willcooke> evening TheMuso
[07:56] <seb128> hey willcooke, TheMuso, how are you?
[07:56] <willcooke> seb128, ready for a holiday :)
[07:56] <willcooke> just need to do a week long sprint first ;)
[07:56] <TheMuso> seb128: Not too bad thanks. Yourself?
[07:56] <seb128> do you have one coming?
[07:56] <seb128> I'm good, thanks!
[07:56] <willcooke> seb128, I've just booked off the week after the sprint, but it's not been approved yet
[07:57] <seb128> oh ok
[07:57] <seb128> do you have any plan?
[07:57] <seb128> going to somewhere more sunny with the familly? ;-)
[07:58] <willcooke> It's school holidays that week so we might do a few day tips here and there and then we have friends coming on Thursday to Sunday
[07:58] <willcooke> s/tips/trips
[07:58] <TheMuso> Sounds nice. Gives you a good reason to get away from the computer.
[07:59] <willcooke> TheMuso, :)
[07:59] <seb128> TheMuso, do you have the hardware to reproduce bug #1574324 now?
[07:59] <seb128> willcooke, enjoy in any case ;-)
[08:00] <TheMuso> seb128: Yes, I just posted to that bug earlier. I am making slow but steady progress.
[08:00] <seb128> great
[08:01] <TheMuso> Bluetooth is my priority atm because its a bit of a mess, both for Xenial and yakkety.
[08:01] <flexiondotorg> Morning all
[08:01] <TheMuso> Hey flexiondotorg.
[08:01] <flexiondotorg> TheMuso, o/
[08:01] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[08:01] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Morning
[08:02] <seb128> TheMuso, bluetooth with audio?
[08:02] <willcooke> morning flexiondotorg
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, Morning
[08:04] <TheMuso> seb128: Yes.
[08:04] <seb128> I see
[08:05] <Laney> moin
[08:07] <flexiondotorg> Laney, morning.
[08:07] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:07] <Laney> ahoy
[08:07] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:08] <seb128> cold!
[08:08] <seb128> but good otherwise
[08:08] <seb128> I miss the spain weather, at least in the evening/morning
[08:09] <seb128> you better take some long sleeves for next week
[08:10] <Laney> cold here too
[08:11] <didrocks> don't worry seb128, we will run every single morning and you will be warm that way! :)
[08:11] <didrocks> (hey guys!)
[08:11] <seb128> lol
[08:11] <Laney> /o\
[08:11] <didrocks> 6am sharp!
[08:11] <Laney> maybe this is the spring where we go climbing
[08:11] <didrocks> as we start at 8:30am :)
[08:11]  * seb128 hacks didrocks's phone to change the wakeup setting
[08:12]  * didrocks has an IoT backup, fortunately
[08:12] <seb128> that's ok, it's on snappy right? not reliable enough to scare me :p
[08:12] <Laney> ah, IoT
[08:12]  * Laney hacks it
[08:12]  * Laney Fancy Bear
[08:13] <didrocks> can't, because we have snap confinement! :)
[08:14] <Laney> ah man
[08:14] <Laney> so
[08:15] <Laney> who knows how dns is supposed to be set up these days?
[08:15] <Laney> my laptop is in the same state as yesterday when I couldn't get online
[08:15] <Laney> seems no names will resolve
[08:15] <seb128> p_itti?
[08:15]  * Laney has left it borked for investigation purposes
[08:15] <seb128> well I guess it's a valid case for ping
[08:16] <seb128> pitti, ^ it might be one you have clues about?
[08:16] <Laney> dnsmasq is running there (/etc/resolv.conf says 127.0.1.1)
[08:17] <Laney> on this working desktop it's 192.168.1.1 & 127.0.0.53 and dnsmasq just seems to be running for libvirt
[08:17] <pitti> Laney: we reverted DNS to the xenial state for NM, so shouldn't be any change; what does "dig A www.ubuntu.com @127.0.1.1" say?
[08:17] <Laney> pitti: it's timing out
[08:17] <pitti> Laney: hm, that "working" one isn't upgraded yet?
[08:17] <Laney> erm
[08:18] <Laney> since when?
[08:18] <Laney> I do have an n-m update pending
[08:18] <pitti> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/1.2.4-0ubuntu1
[08:18] <pitti> (Sep 28)
[08:19] <pitti> before we used resolved everywhere, but that doesn't work with split-horizon DNS setups yet
[08:19] <pitti> and I noticed too late that upstream's NM now has a resolved plugin (next cycle), so I reverted to dnsmasq
[08:19] <Laney> oh, nope, that was just n-m-openvpn
[08:19] <pitti> but not sure why it would hang
[08:19] <Laney> oh, WAIT
[08:19] <Laney> I don't have n-m here :P
[08:19]  * Laney forgot about his stupid hacks
[08:19] <pitti> heh
[08:19] <Laney> so, just the laptop with dnsmasq which is timing out after resume
[08:20]  * seb128 stares at Laney
[08:20] <Laney> yesterday I restarted network-manager and it started working
[08:20] <seb128> what did you do?!
[08:20] <thumper> o/ seb128, pitti
[08:20] <Laney> I wanted a bridge so put the config into /e/n/i
[08:20] <seb128> hey thumper, how are you?
[08:20] <pitti> hey thumper!
[08:20] <thumper> sitting with a wine looking for a european to talk to
[08:20] <thumper> well, one particular european
[08:20] <Laney> dnsmasq is just the most opaque thing to me though
[08:20] <thumper> so, pretty good
[08:20] <pitti> Laney: this is unusual -- so the new crack everyone complains about works, but the old tried-and-true dnsmasq doesn't??
[08:21] <seb128> thumper, online talk? ;-)
[08:21] <pitti> Laney: can you 'strace -e connect' it to see which DNS servers it's trying to talk to?
[08:21] <pitti> Laney: should be the one that NM picked up via DHCP
[08:21] <thumper> yeah, just like all my friends are virtual
[08:21] <thumper> my wife hastles me all the time
[08:21] <seb128> lol
[08:21] <pitti> thumper: you mean there are non-virtual friends?
[08:22] <thumper> ha
[08:22] <Laney> I have some dnsmasq processes which are talking about lxdbr0 too
[08:22] <Laney> ok, stracing (on dnsmasq, right?)
[08:22] <pitti> Laney: right, the one spawned by NM
[08:22] <pitti> Laney: systemctl status NetworkManager to get its pid
[08:23] <pitti> (or deduce it from their CLI arguments)
[08:23] <pitti> Laney: one oddity that I know is that restarting NM does *not* restart dnsmasq
[08:23] <pitti> # NM doesn't want systemd to kill its children for it
[08:23] <pitti> KillMode=process
[08:23] <pitti> ^ from NetworkManager.service
[08:24] <Laney> wtf
[08:24] <pitti> so if it's in a bad state, this needs to be killed separately
[08:24] <pitti> (no idea why it would do that)
[08:24] <Laney> no connect, but some sendto (... dns request... inet_addr=192.168.1.1) = -1 ENODEV (No such device)
[08:24] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I'm a bit stalled on #1623856 and #1623835. You mentioned Firefox tooltips need some love, shall I sort while I think on regarding the other two?
[08:25] <Laney> bug #1623856 bug #1623835.
[08:25] <flexiondotorg> For the bot, that is LP: #1623856
[08:25] <pitti> Laney: hmm; I suppose killing that process and reconnecting to your AP (via nm-applet) fixes it?
[08:25] <pitti> Laney: 192.168.1.1 looks right, is it?
[08:25] <Laney> yes
[08:25] <pitti> (i. e. your router)
[08:25] <Laney> I can ping it too
[08:25] <flexiondotorg> I've tried setting min_content_height in the UI. No dice.
[08:26] <Laney> flexiondotorg: One minute
[08:26] <flexiondotorg> Sure.
[08:27] <Laney> pitti: Well, as I expected, killing it made things work again
[08:27] <jibel> hi, thunderbird 45.3 is crashing this morning in Yakkety. Is it known?
[08:28] <jibel> nvm it's with proposed enabled
[08:28] <pitti> Laney: so sendto() without connect() could mean that on startup it only connect()ed to 192.168.1.1 once, and then the network interface went away/came back
[08:28] <pitti> Laney: I would have assumed that it would do UDP and connect() for every request, not keep it open
[08:28] <pitti> Laney: but this is just speculating, I don't know dnsmasq's guts I'm afraid
[08:29] <pitti> i. e. ENODEV sounds like "my underlying network interface went away"
[08:29] <Laney> I do have two routes to 192.168.1.1 via the wlan and ethernet
[08:29] <pitti> oh
[08:29] <seb128> jibel, could be what was mentioned on #ubuntu-devel an hour ago
[08:29] <Laney> *and* this bug happened yesterday morning and this morning when I connected to both
[08:29] <pitti> Laney: now, that doesn't sound healthy
[08:29] <Laney> but *not* yesterday evening when I was only on the wlan
[08:29]  * Laney shrugs
[08:29] <Laney> it's always worked until now :)
[08:29] <pitti> Laney: two different metrics, I suppose/hope
[08:30] <jibel> seb128, very likely, thanks.
[08:30] <seb128> jibel, yw!
[08:30] <pitti> Laney: I'd assume that eth is faster to connect and has a higher metric, so not sure why a running process woudl suddenly want to use the wifi one
[08:30] <pitti> Laney: or could it be that the ethernet (re)connected later on for some reason?
[08:30] <Laney> default         DD-WRT          0.0.0.0         UG    100    0        0 enx0023563c3054
[08:30] <Laney> default         DD-WRT          0.0.0.0         UG    600    0        0 wlan0
[08:30] <pitti> Laney: if dnsmasq started while 192.168.1.1 was routed via wlan, then eth came up and trumped its route with a higher metric, that might explain it
[08:31] <pitti> that looks right
[08:31] <Laney> bring back resolvd!
[08:31] <Laney> resolved
[08:31] <pitti> (I think higher metric == lower prio)
[08:32] <pitti> Laney: drop dns=dnsmasq from /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf :)
[08:53] <Laney> flexiondotorg: I was looking at a different thing to you I think
[08:53] <flexiondotorg> Ah, OK.
[08:53] <Laney> details of the update itself, from the list of updates versus the progress thingy
[08:53] <flexiondotorg> Yeah, so I've looked at both.
[08:54] <Laney> Gtk's giving some warnings about the latter
[08:54] <flexiondotorg> The progress while downloading.
[08:54] <Laney> That's probably the hint
[08:54] <flexiondotorg> And the vte details.
[08:54] <Laney> Something's not asking for size right
[08:54] <flexiondotorg> OK, I've just create a new VM and installed the GTK dev tools.
[08:54] <flexiondotorg> I'll have another look.
[08:55] <flexiondotorg> Regarding FF tooltips, shall I work on a merge proposal?
[08:55] <Laney> Sure, feel free, can whack those in the same SRU
[08:56] <flexiondotorg> OK/ I'll do that first then return the update manager (and related issues).
[08:57] <Laney> I fear that it's something about the size the widgets are requesting, for the progress / vte case
[08:57] <Sweet5hark> moin
[09:00] <Laney> g'day Sweet5hark
[09:00] <Laney> what's the news?
[09:02]  * Sweet5hark is just checking the late fix for LibreOffice that build overnight in a ppa ...
[09:17] <Laney> Probably a good idea to prepare that as an SRU
[09:30] <Sweet5hark> will anyone from the desktop team be at http://www.opensourcesummit.paris/?lg=en? seb128? didrocks?
[09:36] <didrocks> Sweet5hark: was supposed to, my talk was accepted, but some internal issues prevented this to happen
[09:37] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: hmm, meh. from what I see that event is ... relevant.
[10:02] <Sweet5hark> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/yakkety/5.2.2/libreoffice_5.2.2-0ubuntu2_source.changes <- here is the prepared upload for the "unreadable tabs" issue. This was testbuild in the libreoffice-staging ppa and smoketested.
[10:13] <davmor2> Laney, willcooke, vigo: guys I seem to be having issue with indicator-network crashing on i386 looks like network-manager-openvpn might be taking it out
[10:14] <davmor2> I'll try a fresh install but if that fails I'll try and get a report filed for it
[10:14] <vigo> davmor2, ack
[10:15] <willcooke> thanks davmor2
[10:24] <davmor2> willcooke: meh happens in live session too but at least there I can access the wifi network, bug #1632275
[10:25] <willcooke> davmor2, is it a private bug?
[10:25] <davmor2> willcooke: let me public it, it is an apport bug so hidden initially
[10:25] <davmor2> willcooke: opened up
[10:28] <willcooke> seb128, are you running 16.10 on your 32 bit machine?  Do you see that?  ^
[10:30] <davmor2> willcooke: this is bailing on live desktop the only reason I think I missed it is I've been using the xps for 64 bit testing and the kvm for i386 so no wifi and no secrets
[10:30] <willcooke> ah, kk
[10:31]  * willcooke wonders who our indicator-network expert is, c_harles perhaps?
[10:31] <davmor2> willcooke: no ofcourse I'm testing on hardware for final :(  he is for phone not sure if he has touched the desktop applet
[10:32] <davmor2> willcooke: actually attente is the guy working on nm indicator currently iirc
[10:33] <willcooke> nope
[10:33] <willcooke> maybe you're thinking of wellark
[10:34] <davmor2> willcooke: yes sorry
[10:34] <davmor2> willcooke: but again that is indicator in unity7 it is still the applet
[10:35] <davmor2> let try that in a sentence willcooke: but again that is indicator, in unity7 it is still the applet so no idea who looks after that
[10:37] <willcooke> seb128, when you're about - can you help steer this to the right place? (bug# 1632275)
[10:37] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1632275
[10:38] <Trevinho> davmor2: yeah, we've still the applet in u7
[10:38] <Trevinho> well, nm-applet using indicator-application
[10:39] <willcooke> yeah, and it looks like its the indicator thats crashing
[10:39] <davmor2> jibel: ^ fyi
[10:45] <davmor2> willcooke: looking at the tracker there is someone else who hit it in the i386 image so that is it confirmed but I opened a fresh bug incase it was different we can link them all together after.
[10:45] <willcooke> davmor2, ack
[10:46] <davmor2> willcooke: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/368/builds/132995/testcases/1303/results/ middle one of the green bugs
[10:47] <Laney> It happens on an i386 live image
[10:47] <Laney> Try asking pete-woods
[10:47] <Laney> I think he wrote some/most of this stuff
[10:47] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[10:48] <davmor2> willcooke: oh so it looks like it is a new bug because it didn't affect amd64 so I don't know if there was a new image last night let me have a look
[10:48] <davmor2> I'll fire up and amd64 and double check that
[10:48] <Laney> You're probably just seeing it now because indicator-network got seeded
[10:48] <Laney> There's not been a new image
[10:49] <davmor2> Laney: but there is a guy confirm it on amd64 and yesterday that worked fine in testing
[10:49] <Laney> Doesn't change the fact that there hasn't been a new image
[10:50] <Laney> There's a way to reproduce it (i386 live session), I wouldn't bother trying to do any more research unless pete-woods wants help
[10:50] <davmor2> Laney: indeed might just be that netboot was affected by it
[10:51] <davmor2> wasn't even
[10:51] <Laney> could be that it exists only in some circumstances
[10:51] <Laney> willcooke: are you doing the ping thing?
[10:52] <willcooke> Laney, you mean speaking to Pete?  Yeah
[10:52] <Laney> ye
[10:52] <Laney> ta
[10:52] <davmor2> Laney: indeed
[10:52] <willcooke> well, trying to, no reply yet but he's probably busy.  If I can't raise him I will try awe once he's on line
[11:05] <davmor2> hmmm still can't reproduce on my system with broadcom or with ralink
[11:16] <qengho> 'sup.
[11:36]  * flexiondotorg seeks out food
[11:38] <vigo> davmor2, after UEFI installation in my amd64 laptop I have internet connection but the icon in upper bar is the ethernet one instead of Wi-Fi
[11:38] <vigo> have you seen it before?
[11:39] <davmor2> vigo: that is part of the issue that I reported it is that the icon resets to default as the indicator restarts
[11:39] <vigo> the one you found for i386?
[11:40] <davmor2> vigo: yes it affects everything just isn't as noticable on amd64
[11:42] <vigo> davmor2, I see :) thanks
[11:55] <jbicha> seb128: evolution is having Google rate limiting problems too https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771547
[11:55] <jbicha> I assume it's not really related to the browser geolocation api issue but I thought I'd mention it anyway
[12:09] <desrt> good morning!
[12:10] <vigo> davmor2, In my old pc (amd+nvidia+ralink) the Wi-Fi connection got lost after accepting 3rd party drivers+ Download updates screen
[12:11] <vigo> Wi-Fi icon got blank and no way to connect it again, already reported?
[12:11] <vigo> or is part of that bug affecting i386?
[12:13] <davmor2> vigo: yeah it might be down to a bunch of things so anything you thing is relevant add to the bug and it might add more info the devs to find a cause/fix
[12:13] <vigo> davmor2, sure :)
[12:14] <Laney> hi desrt!
[12:14] <Laney> have you given sufficient thanks?
[12:17] <desrt> i have
[12:17] <desrt> was a very good weekend, and a good send-off
[12:18]  * desrt is on her way to the sprint tomorrow
[12:18] <Laney> early haaging?
[12:18] <desrt> yup
[12:19] <desrt> i always enjoy a good haaging.  figured i'd start now.
[12:19] <Laney> nice
[12:19] <Laney> go see escher
[12:19] <desrt> (i'm not actually going to the hague)
[12:19] <desrt> (....yet)
[12:21] <Laney> ._.
[12:25]  * Laney heads to the post office & food office
[12:29]  * flexiondotorg returns
[12:38] <seb128> willcooke, what Laney said for the indicator issue (sorry was at lunch+some errands)
[12:38] <seb128> hey desrt, how are you?
[12:38] <desrt> very good, thanks
[12:38] <desrt> how was your weekend?
[12:41] <seb128> saturday was good, still in Spain enjoying the nice weather, sunday was travelling back and unpacking/getting things in shape before resuming a work mode week
[12:42] <seb128> jbicha, thanks, doesn't look really similar indeed (not the same api nor key) but thanks for pointing it out
[12:52] <willcooke> seb128, Laney - no reply from Pete, chasing with a_lecu now
[12:53] <willcooke> davmor2, fyi ^
[12:59] <flexiondotorg> Laney, while looking at Tooltips for FF, they seems to be absent from many apps.
[13:00] <flexiondotorg> Working on it.
[13:29] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: a lot of GNOME stuff doesn't have tooltips; do the tooltips show up with Adwaita?
[13:29] <flexiondotorg> jbicha, Yeah, I checked the code.
[13:29] <flexiondotorg> Tooltips that were once there are no longer :-)
[13:30] <jbicha> :(
[13:30] <flexiondotorg> Tooltips don't render correctly in Ubuntu, but that is another issue altogether.
[13:30] <flexiondotorg> jbicha, I mean, tooltips are removed from the code.
[13:30] <jbicha> nautilus 3.22 adds tooltips back!
[13:31] <jbicha> for the toolbar at least
[13:32] <flexiondotorg> Yep, And I'm looking at 3.20 here. As you say, no tool tips in the toolbar.
[13:47] <Laney> flexiondotorg: What does "Tooltips don't render correctly in Ubuntu" mean?
[13:48] <flexiondotorg> Laney, They intended to be rendered with rounded boarders.
[13:48] <flexiondotorg> But are drawn on a rectangular black background, so appear rectangular.
[13:49] <flexiondotorg> Present in 16.04 and 16.10.
[13:49] <flexiondotorg> Open Nautilus and hover over Desktop in the side panel in Xenial or Yakkety.
[13:50] <Laney> Didn't know that there was anything wrong with that
[13:55] <seb128> flexiondotorg, it was fixed in a SRU in xenial
[13:56]  * flexiondotorg checks for updates...
[13:57] <seb128> sorry it was a SRU in wily
[13:57] <seb128> should be fine in xenial
[13:57] <seb128> you use unity?
[13:58] <seb128> was fixed in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/3.16.7-0ubuntu4
[13:58] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Yep, using Unity on all computers.
[13:58] <seb128> k, weird
[13:58] <Laney> They are rounded
[13:59] <flexiondotorg> seb128, It regressed :-(
[13:59] <seb128> for me too
[13:59] <flexiondotorg> Really?
[13:59] <seb128> flexiondotorg, can you do a screnshot on xenial?
[13:59] <seb128> what theme do you use?
[13:59] <flexiondotorg> Ambiance
[13:59] <seb128> weird
[13:59] <seb128> but yeah, nautilus sidebar tooltips for example are rounded on current xenial for me
[14:01] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: it looks rounded but with a black rectangle background like you said on xenial
[14:02] <jbicha> I had to squint closely at my screen
[14:02] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/221853364/tooltip.png was the original bug
[14:02] <seb128> that's fixed for me at least
[14:03] <jbicha> I'm using VirtualBox and that's what it looks like for me now on xenial
[14:03] <flexiondotorg> seb128, http://imgur.com/a/7sagJ
[14:03] <flexiondotorg> I'm on hardware. Intel Iris 540.
[14:03] <Laney> ok, I've been checking 16.10 since you said it happens there
[14:05] <seb128> flexiondotorg, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/xenial.png is my xenial
[14:05] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/tooltip.png yakkety
[14:07] <flexiondotorg> OK, going to test this on my XPS 15 with nvidia drivers.
[14:08] <Laney> in a 16.04 VM I do see this though
[14:08] <Laney> :-o!
[14:09] <seb128> lowgfx mode thing?
[14:09] <willcooke> thats what I was thinking
[14:09] <willcooke> but I run lowgfx mode here all the time, and it's ok for me
[14:09] <seb128> or maybe compositing/rendering
[14:09] <seb128> like software rendering issue
[14:09] <seb128> in vm
[14:10] <seb128> but flexiondotorg said he's having the bug "on hardware" which I guess mean non-vm
[14:10] <flexiondotorg> My main computer is a Skull Canyon NUC. No VM here.
[14:12] <flexiondotorg> Just checked low graphics mode. It is not enabled.
[14:12] <flexiondotorg> I'm really pleased I didn't start try to fix this.
[14:13] <jbicha> how do you check for low graphics mode?
[14:13] <Laney> COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE
[14:14] <flexiondotorg> OK, Dell XPS 15 in Intel mode also exhibits the issue.
[14:14] <flexiondotorg> Both are Skylake graphics.
[14:22] <flexiondotorg> nvidia drivers on the same XPS 15 do not exhibit the issue.
[14:22]  * flexiondotorg looks at 3 computers his eyes no longer trust :-(
[14:23]  * Laney is happy that the theme is exonerated
[14:23] <seb128> intel driver issue then?
[14:24] <flexiondotorg> Specifically Skylake.
[14:24] <seb128> fun
[14:24] <seb128> do you use the intel driver or modesettings?
[14:25] <flexiondotorg> Intel driver.
[14:25] <flexiondotorg> Completely default.
[14:26] <flexiondotorg> The Firefox tooltips I've submitted a merge proposal for work just fine however.
[14:27] <Laney> They're probably drawn differently
[14:30] <flexiondotorg> Yep, they are.
[14:30] <flexiondotorg> But a good job too, otherwise I'd still be sat here trying to fix them.,
[14:43] <seb128> flexiondotorg, well, there is still a bug worth fixing there, but probably not a trivial one...
[14:45] <flexiondotorg> Indeed. I've made a note to circle back to it after release.
[14:49] <Sweet5hark> seb128: did you see this? -> (12:02:18) Sweet5hark: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/yakkety/5.2.2/libreoffice_5.2.2-0ubuntu2_source.changes <- here is the prepared upload for the "unreadable tabs" issue. This was testbuild in the libreoffice-staging ppa and smoketested.
[15:06] <seb128> Sweet5hark, yeah I saw but got sidetracked on other bugs, looking at it now, thanks for the reminder
[15:09] <Sweet5hark> seb128: no worries, just wanted to be sure it wouldnt have disappeared in something like a disconnect on my side.
[15:10] <seb128> right, no I saw it ;-)
[15:24] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZy_sBW7jz0&feature=youtu.be
[15:24] <Laney> :D
[15:25] <seb128> Sweet5hark, libreoffice in the review queue
[15:25] <Sweet5hark> seb128: awesome, thanks!
[15:26] <seb128> yw, thanks for the fix update!
[15:31] <willcooke> gah
[15:31] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-10-11
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct 11 15:31:24 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:31] <seb128> lol
[15:31] <andyrock> o/
[15:32] <Trevinho> \o
[15:32] <willcooke> roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, flexiondotorg, happyaron, hikiko (out), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> o/
[15:32]  * Sweet5hark reporting in.
[15:33] <willcooke> Right, let's get started
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:34] <andyrock> still working on unity8 tooltips
[15:34] <andyrock> i'm working on a failure on one unit test
[15:34] <andyrock> that happens just on CI and not locally
[15:34] <andyrock> I had to rebase the branches several time due to the unified-stages branch
[15:35] <andyrock> that's it basically
[15:35] <andyrock> *times
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:35] <attente> hi, holiday yesterday, still working on gtk-mir clipboard support, making some progress there
[15:35] <attente> (eof)
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:37] <willcooke> let's come back, she was around earlier.  Oh, travelling perhaps.
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> hey
[15:37] <dgadomski> * darktable snap rejected upstream (apparently they are not interested in producing any binary builds at all)
[15:38] <willcooke> :(
[15:38] <dgadomski> * working on rawtherapee snap
[15:38] <willcooke> I've had similar problems with other upstreams
[15:38] <dgadomski> * working on bug #1550983 - was able to reproduce it
[15:38] <dgadomski> I guess they just trying to avoid any potential work on their side
[15:38] <dgadomski> * debugged some ifupdown issues that turned out to be misconfigurations
[15:38] <dgadomski> eof
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:39] <FJKong> hi
[15:39] <FJKong> not much to update because of long holiday of National Day last week.
[15:39] <FJKong> I am looking into the bug of can't using input method in sanp package, telegram for example, it is critical thing
[15:39] <FJKong> eof
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> • Created debdiff (explicitly disconnect keymap signals) for gtk+2.0 for Yakkety and Xenial SRU and subscribed ubuntu-sponsors (LP: #1576424)
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> • Holiday on Friday 7th October
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> • Created a merge proposal (white borders encroaching into the window decorations) for ubuntu-themes for Yakkety (LP: #1624571)
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> • Created a merge proposal (Firefox add-ons and Certificate Viewer not rendering tabs) for ubuntu-themes for Yakkety (LP: #1631208)
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> • Created a merge proposal (Firefox black borders on search/location entry boxes) for ubuntu-themes for Yakkety (LP: #1624738)
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • Created a merge proposal (Firefox tooltips)  for ubuntu-themes for Yakkety (LP: #1478173)
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • Still working on (LP: #1623856) and (LP: #1623856)
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> • ISO QA testing
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> eof
[15:40] <willcooke> :) thanks flexiondotorg
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:41] <willcooke> happyaron, please let me have your updates by email
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:41] <willcooke> 1- rolling windows bug progress:
[15:41] <willcooke>  |-- found out that it's not related to minimize but to the decorations
[15:41] <willcooke>  |-- status: partially fixed needs some extra work
[15:41] <willcooke> 2- low gfx:
[15:41] <willcooke>  |-- I have some branches awaiting review from 1-2 weeks ago (for
[15:41] <willcooke> example the moving windows)
[15:41] <willcooke>  |-- I am still looking at other possible optimisations
[15:41] <willcooke> 3- general rendering problems:
[15:41] <willcooke>  |-- there were some rendering issues, I discovered in the past which I
[15:41] <willcooke> didn't have time to investigate, I try to see if I could fix any of those
[15:41] <willcooke> EOF
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:42] <Laney> • All the hard bugs (nautilus overlapping icons, indicator-keyboard breaking the sources)
[15:42] <Laney> • Fix terminal and system-settings to not show on U8 properly
[15:42] <Laney> • Upload u-c-c pending fixes, revert a string change (to restore later)
[15:42] <Laney> • Sponsor the contest wallpapers and some other fixes (nm-openvpn, themes, gnome-calculator)
[15:42] <Laney> • Upload new appstream-glib to debian + sync
[15:42] <Laney> • Moar queue reviews and stuff
[15:42] <Laney> 🚦
[15:42] <willcooke> :) thanks Laney
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:43] <qengho> done: Cr 53.
[15:43] <qengho> done: Celebrated Columbus Day! Yay! Columbus!
[15:43] <qengho> in-progress: fixing problems related to switch to Cr's new build system. broken high-DPI & gsettings. maybe widevine component?
[15:43] <qengho> in-progress: debugging google-api complaints. I no longer trust the Dev console
[15:43] <qengho> stats. Works way more often than graph shows.
[15:43] <qengho> to-do: CJK fonts in Browser snap.
[15:43] <qengho> EOF
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:43] <seb128> • backlog post holidays
[15:43] <seb128> • sponsored libreoffice fix for bjoern
[15:43] <seb128> • some daily iso testing and yakkety bugs triaging
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[15:43] <willcooke> :)
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - finally fixed bug 1527053 for 0-day SRU with a minimal hackish vendor patch
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> -- testbuild and smoketested, looks good
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - some prep for "Netzpolitischer Kongress" Berlin, 2016-10-28
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - some mentoring, some triage upstream
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - managed to (re-)upload LibreOffice 5.2.2 to snappy store
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> -- this failed with an unexplained "ooops" from the store last time with the same file, seem to be ok this time around
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> -- seems to have worked now: installable from the store
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:44] <willcooke> * Continued working on bug 1574324. As per my latest update in the bug, I am pretty sure I have narrowed it down to a single patch that causes the issue, however I don't think its a single change that causes things to break. Work continues.
[15:44] <willcooke> * Yakkety iso testing, focusing on a11y. Still can't load Orca from Ubiquity when booting directly into the installer. Too late to track down, as before not bothered since focus is usually on the LTS when it comes to recommending an accessible Ubuntu version.
[15:44] <willcooke> * Started taking another look at the snaps I started packaging a while back, almost got one ready to uplado to teh store, that being flac.
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:44] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Fixed bug in pdftopdf which makes duplex printing not working correctly when only a part of the pages of the document is selected for printing.
[15:44] <tkamppeter> - snappy: Worked on the snap for the printing stack.
[15:44] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Synced 1.11.4 from Debian.
[15:44] <tkamppeter> - foomatic-db: Synced current version from Debian.
[15:44] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Some more tuning to the unity8 menu items to work with touch and pointer
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Rewritten the UI of the unity8 calendar indicator menu to match new style
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Created radio menu items for unity8
[15:45] <Trevinho> · Various discussions with design (and a meeting about multi-monitor)
[15:45] <Trevinho>  /EOF
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:45] <willcooke> - GNOME Software / snapd bug fixing
[15:45] <willcooke> - XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP fixes
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:46] <willcooke> Moar testing please
[15:46] <willcooke> Trying to get to the bottom of the BT issues atm
[15:46] <willcooke> Laney is working on the net-indicator et al one
[15:46] <willcooke> U8 is working though, complete with Terminal
[15:47] <willcooke> I'm writing instructions for adding some snaps and some other apps from the PPA
[15:47] <willcooke> Anyone got anything else?
[15:47] <willcooke> going once
[15:47] <seb128> do we need to prepare anything for next week?
[15:47] <desrt> o/
[15:47] <willcooke> ah!
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:47] <desrt> sorry
[15:48] <desrt> trying to catch up after a disaster of a week
[15:48] <desrt> was a short one (holiday yesterday) and was sick for a lot of it :/
[15:48] <desrt> feeling better now, though, and looking forward to seeing everyone at the sprint
[15:48] <seb128> :-)
[15:48] <willcooke> glad you're on the mend
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic aob
[15:49] <desrt> quick meeting today :)
[15:49] <willcooke> seb128, prep.. check the sessions on the sprint planning spreadsheet (session tab, not agenda tab) and see if you want to add anything
[15:49] <seb128> k
[15:50] <seb128> we didn't have one of those weeks in so long that I don't remember how they work
[15:50] <willcooke> :))
[15:50] <seb128> we have a desktop room but also sessions UDS like in parrallel?
[15:51] <seb128> so we default to team hacking when there is no session
[15:51] <seb128> right?
[15:51] <willcooke> I think morning is sessions and afternoon is follow up work
[15:51] <seb128> k
[15:51] <willcooke> where follow up = more meetings / hack
[15:51] <seb128> I'm sure we are going to figure it out on monday
[15:51] <willcooke> plus I have a list of topics I'd like to talk to people about
[15:51] <Trevinho> oh, it would be a nice event :)
[15:51] <Trevinho> will be*
[15:51] <willcooke> in our team
[15:51] <Trevinho> (hopefully :-))
[15:51] <seb128> looking forward seeing everyone!
[15:51] <willcooke> \o/
[15:51] <seb128> k
[15:52] <willcooke> oki, I gotta go do things
[15:52] <willcooke> so
[15:52] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 15:52:04 2016 UTC.
[15:52] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-10-11-15.31.moin.txt
[15:52] <seb128> thanks!
[15:53] <Laney> hopefully this cough/cold will have ended by then
[15:53] <Laney> or you get a nice dose of the laneyflu
[15:53] <willcooke> ditto
[16:00] <seb128> urg
[16:00] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, What specific BT issues are you investigating?
[16:08] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, see the last hour or so in #distro on the Canonical server
[16:08] <flexiondotorg> OK
[16:14] <Sweet5hark> seb128: FWIW, https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92776#c15 <- it seems the "unreadable tabs" issue happens on yakkety/gtk 3.20 only, but not on xenial/gtk 3.18, which is curious.
[16:15] <seb128> Sweet5hark, not so curious, gtk theming changed quite a bit in the new version and the theme reflected those changes
[16:17] <Sweet5hark> seb128: still, as the theme has a separate subfolder for 3.20 and libreoffice is ifdefs like mad for various minimal 3.xx versions, the root cause could be any (or all) of 1/ the theme 2/ gtk 3/ ifdefs in libreoffice :/
[16:17] <seb128> sounds like fun
[16:20] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah, TBH I wont touch that jenga tower anymore for yakkety. Rather look at libreoffice 5.3 and gtk 3.22 (when will that be?) to stabilize ...
[16:21] <seb128> yeah, that makes sense, new gtk for next cycle I guess
[16:21] <seb128> well let's see next week
[16:21] <Sweet5hark> yup
[16:21] <seb128> depends of priorities and things the team gets to work on
[16:23]  * Sweet5hark hums track 2 of that 1991 Queen album.
[16:39] <cyphermox> willcooke: around?
[16:40] <willcooke> cyphermox, yo!
[16:40] <willcooke> erm
[16:40] <willcooke> actually, depends what you want me to do
[16:40] <willcooke> :)
[16:40] <cyphermox> well it's not something likely to be fixable before release, but there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/1632133 ;)
[16:41] <cyphermox> thought you might be interested given that you did the other wallpaper/screenshot stuff this cycle :)
[16:41] <willcooke> aieeeee
[16:41] <willcooke> I will fix that rigth now if you will merge it
[16:41] <cyphermox> sure
[16:41] <willcooke> on it
[16:42] <cyphermox> then we can harass infinity to land it if there's a respin
[16:42] <willcooke> I suspect there will be :/
[16:42] <cyphermox> oh?
[16:42] <willcooke> couple of bugs I've got an eye on which I'm undecided are blockers or not
[16:42] <cyphermox> desktop bugs or stuff for me?
[16:42] <willcooke> and hey, it's only Tuesday
[16:42] <willcooke> desktop bugs yeah
[16:43] <cyphermox> ok
[16:43] <willcooke> we've got a whole day of testing tomorrow
[16:43] <willcooke> :)
[16:43] <Laney> there definitely will be, and we're landing stuff with that expectation
[16:43] <Laney> so be quick!
[16:44] <willcooke> internet connection dont fail me now
[16:48] <flocculant> willcooke: dodgy attempt to placate the desperate UK interwebz infrastructure there - unless you live in a biggish town :p
[16:48]  * willcooke lives in the sticks
[16:49] <flocculant> :)
[16:54]  * flexiondotorg Definitely has the most sticks.
[16:54]  * flocculant looks out the window at the copse 
[16:55] <flexiondotorg> Laney, seb128 Just set up a new testing laptop with Intel HD 5500 graphics.
[16:55] <flexiondotorg> I observe that tooltip issue again.
[16:55]  * flexiondotorg moos at the cows.
[16:55] <seb128> :-/
[17:10] <willcooke> flocculant, I miss read that as corpse
[17:10] <willcooke> cyphermox, pour vous https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-1610/+merge/308159
[17:11] <flocculant> willcooke: lol
[17:13] <flocculant> willcooke: definitely less sticks on a corpse than in the copse :D
[17:14] <willcooke> :)
[17:15] <Laney> not if you've done the job right
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[17:16] <flocculant> :)
[17:21] <cyphermox> willcooke: merged and uploaded.
[17:22] <willcooke> cyphermox, merci!
[17:30]  * flexiondotorg goes to cook, back later for moar testing
[17:32] <willcooke> l8r flexiondotorg
[18:15] <seb128> good evening desktopers
[18:15] <willcooke> cya seb128
[18:15] <seb128> bye willcooke
[18:15] <seb128> see you tomorrow
[18:15] <willcooke> I'm off too - kids to bed time
[18:15] <willcooke> night all