[00:51] <zmoylan-pi> never saw captain kirk as a quitter...
[05:26]  * diddledan messing with juju
[05:26] <diddledan> and maas
[05:26] <diddledan> tis funkynuts
[05:31] <knightwi1e> morning diddledan
[05:31] <knightwi1e> how are you
[05:32] <diddledan> mornin
[05:32] <diddledan> sleepy :-p
[05:32] <diddledan> otherwise I'm good
[06:07] <knightwi1e> same here"
[06:07] <knightwi1e> long day today
[07:20] <diddledan> also, in addition to juju and maas, ipmi on servers is awesome
[07:42] <sebsebseb> morning anyone about?
[07:54] <dwatkins> allo allo
[07:55] <SuperMatt> Some mothers do 'ave em
[07:55] <foobarry> hi de hi
[07:56] <SuperMatt> yes, minister
[07:56] <foobarry> goodnight sweetheart
[07:56] <SuperMatt> the good life
[07:58] <foobarry> did anyone see that one off goodnight sweetheart they recently made?
[07:58] <foobarry> it was actually watchable. so is the current red dwarf series
[07:58] <SuperMatt> dammit man, you were supposed to say something else, and then I was going to say mornington crescent and win
[08:01] <diplo> Morning all
[08:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:06] <sebsebseb> davmor2: hi
[08:06] <sebsebseb> davmor2: so Facebook adveritisng for my event sot of working, but....
[08:06] <sebsebseb> sort above
[08:06] <Gargoyle> mornin'
[08:11] <knightwise> Been watching Westworld
[08:12] <knightwise> pretty pleased with the first two episodes
[08:13] <TwistedLucidity> Is it better than the movie?
[08:13] <knightwise> Its a little "deeper"
[08:13] <knightwise> although I LOVED the movie :)
[08:13] <knightwise> Scared the crap out of me as a kid
[08:13]  * knightwise still thinks about the scenes in the long tunnels
[08:15] <davmor2> sebsebseb: was there meant to be something after the but...
[08:16] <foobarry> the movie was a bit pervy in the same way star trek is just a bunch of horny teenagers
[08:16] <foobarry> taps into fantasies about a saloon bar whorehouse
[08:16] <sebsebseb> davmor2: well yeah :d
[08:17] <sebsebseb> davmor2: so it's Linux and Creative Commons event
[08:17] <sebsebseb> davmor2: but...
[08:17] <sebsebseb> but for some reson the Facebook adveritsing is  mostly targetting woemn, altough in the right kind of age range at least,  like 25 to 33, but guess what that means?
[08:18] <TwistedLucidity> You will have lots of female attendees?
[08:18] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: heh that would be nice actually I guess
[08:18] <sebsebseb> ,but  yeah your close
[08:18] <sebsebseb> loads well only like four so far it seems, but may bring in more
[08:19] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity:  the  more correct answer is going to get artists and such hmm
[08:19] <davmor2> sebsebseb: if it has a facebook page just let popey know about it and then most of the UK will know about it ;)
[08:19] <TwistedLucidity> Which fits nicely with CC stuff
[08:19] <sebsebseb> so looks  lilke really going to have to try   harder to make this Creative Commons aspect good
[08:19] <sebsebseb> that takes time and work~!
[08:19] <sebsebseb> uhmm  was doing to look for more "suitable" music now, but got  distracted by the mostly unsuitable Severed Fifth h eh
[08:19] <TwistedLucidity> Although there is a slight irony in promoting [GNU/]Linux and Creative Commons over Facebook.
[08:20] <sebsebseb> davmor2: a Creative Commons uk page you mean or ?
[08:20] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity:  what's the irony? and just one of the attemped ways to try and get some more people in
[08:21] <sebsebseb> but got to go through a few hundred or so each time, not interested people,  before getting the few that are, it seems,  on Facebook that is
[08:21] <TwistedLucidity> sebsebseb: Promoting freedom over a closed platform is what I meant. I know why you're doing it, it just amuses me slightly is all.
[08:21] <davmor2> sebsebseb: no I mean if there is a page or facebook page that advertises the event let popey know it
[08:21] <sebsebseb> at least the cost is still low, but I wonder by next week, if my budget of 30 pounds ( which I might up a bit with reason ), will be all spent
[08:21] <sebsebseb> for the Facebook  marketitng
[08:22] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: well it's aimed at general public,  they use Facebook!
[08:22] <TwistedLucidity> That's because they don't know any better! :-P
[08:22] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: not using Twitter for this, uh to that, one is enough like this for  this one.
[08:22]  * sebsebseb doesn't like Facebook or Twitter
[08:23] <TwistedLucidity> I wonder how GNUSocial is going these days? I really meant to set that up and well....life
[08:23] <sebsebseb> http://identi.ca was good,  but then the community split in half.  those who wanted to carry on on pump,io and those who wanted to continue with the old status.net on another site
[08:23] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: yeah I used to use identica  quite a bit for a while at one stage
[08:23] <sebsebseb> but well that's differnet, and that was nice, and yeah
[08:23] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: actsaully I got ot meet the guy who started identi.ca at FOSDEM one year as well :)
[08:24] <sebsebseb> which year I don't remember exactly, I been five years now. uhmm I guess it was 2013 or something
[08:25] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: indeed promoting freedom, bingo exacly what it is, but software, and creative commons multimead stuff to
[08:25] <sebsebseb> loads of artists music peopel etc, won't een know about CC yet
[08:25] <TwistedLucidity> Matt Lee come to our LUG to give a talk. We couldn't get enough folks together (very small LUG) so we had beers instead \o/
[08:25] <TwistedLucidity> (Matt Lee of GNU Social fame)
[08:25] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: which LUG is that, also I have mett Matt Lee :)
[08:25] <sebsebseb> in 2014
[08:26] <sebsebseb> since I decided to go on a special visit, to attend one of his talks etc
[08:26] <sebsebseb> that was happening a train ride away, longish one
[08:27] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: would be nice if these more open sites,  federated sites and what not
[08:27] <sebsebseb> were all more popular
[08:27] <sebsebseb> but nope
[08:27] <sebsebseb> not with the society we have etc
[08:27] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: companies really dominate things
[08:27] <sebsebseb> money this money that, oh and brexit will be something to h eh
[08:27] <TwistedLucidity> It's hard for a non-techy to do though. And you have to worry about redundancy, back-ups etc.
[08:27] <TwistedLucidity> Security....
[08:27] <TwistedLucidity> Tricky stuff
[08:27] <sebsebseb> apparnatly petrol will go  up five pencce a litter soon since that to etc  etc
[08:28] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: a non techy to do what?
[08:28] <sebsebseb> hard for
[08:28] <TwistedLucidity> Install, say, GNUSocial, ensure it is secure and so on
[08:28] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: yeah I guess, but there are quite a few sites out there, using that
[08:28] <sebsebseb> I think
[08:28] <sebsebseb> or well for status.net  there still are
[08:29] <TwistedLucidity> I'm still not convinced my ownCloud install is safe to use. :-S
[08:29] <JonTheNiceGuy[m]> TwistedLucidity: have you seen sandstorm.io yet?
[08:29] <TwistedLucidity> JonTheNiceGuy[m]: Uh, nope. That's a new one.
[08:29] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: so what are the details for that, so someone can get in easier :D
[08:30] <JonTheNiceGuy[m]> It's a very secure, self hosting platform
[08:30] <sebsebseb> JonTheNiceGuy[m]: aww going to have to look at sosme other music sources to
[08:30] <TwistedLucidity> sebsebseb: Hire someone who know's what they are doing, just as you would a plumber. :-D
[08:30] <sebsebseb> JonTheNiceGuy[m]: shame about the lack of a serach feature and by genre as well
[08:31] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: so is that what I Want, more female attendes in 20's to early 30's :D
[08:32] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: trying to promote tech to a not that interested woman, can be differnet, to a not that interested man
[08:33] <TwistedLucidity> JonTheNiceGuy[m]: Sandstorm looks neat, maybe even more overkill for my needs than ownCloud is TBH. Still...might give it a punt at some point for giggles. I know folks who might have a use for it
[08:34] <TwistedLucidity> sebsebseb: Is it? I've little (well, no) marketing experience.
[08:35] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: can be
[08:35] <TwistedLucidity> I guess there can be a cultural slant to things.
[08:36] <sebsebseb> hmm maybe ths song can be used , not that keen on  it, but it's not that bad I guess
[08:37] <TwistedLucidity> Right...supoort calls...who hasn't read the blasted instructions today? :-|
[09:08] <Gargoyle> TwistedLucidity, Maybe you should have a look at https://github.com/facebook. The product might be closed, but Facebook as a company has done a lot more than others for open-source development of large scale web apps.
[09:08] <TwistedLucidity> Gargoyle: I am aware. I still won't use Facebook.
[09:09] <Gargoyle> Fair enough, I don't use it either (other than for development).
[09:10] <Gargoyle> There's no irony to using it to promote a Linux event though.
[09:11] <foobarry> is there a way to show nicklist in irssi only for certain chans?
[09:11] <foobarry> its super useful for small chans , sucks for biggues
[09:13] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Ada Lovelace Day! 😃
[09:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls
[09:28] <foobarry> not sure i like these skullcandy headphones
[09:28] <foobarry> the EQ seems odd.
[09:28] <foobarry> not flat
[09:47] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSfBmlXlqio cheeky one it's from ada lovelace the musical :)
[09:50] <davmor2> JamesTait: and yes I had to look that one up :) I didn't want to spilt it between songs like last time :)
[10:52] <danielmx> hi on ubuntu 16.04.1 adding a network printer. i click find printer with the associated ip address. it finds the printer but keeps repeating the ip address until the printing software ceases
[10:53] <danielmx> can anyone point me in the right direction
[10:55] <davmor2> danielmx: what manufacturer is the printer by?
[10:56] <danielmx> HP
[10:56] <danielmx> adding printer work on another linux machine
[11:03] <davmor2> danielmx: hmm normally that works fine
[11:04] <davmor2> danielmx: you can try add the hp-lip app and access it via that
[11:08] <danielmx> seems to be fixed i was logged in as guest user
[11:09] <danielmx> logged out and logged in as admin and was able to add printer and print test page
[11:09] <danielmx> does this mean any user that logs in as guest can now use printer
[11:09] <danielmx> or shall i test it to be sure
[11:12] <davmor2> ah yeah you would need to be an admin to enable it
[11:16] <danielmx> thanks for your help, very much appreciated
[13:00] <Gargoyle> Is there something specific you have to do, or does gnome just not like to remember the position of app windows between runs?
[15:58] <daftykins> Gargoyle: the old ctrl+click rule do nothing i take it? not that i know whether that was ever cross-platform or not
[15:59] <Gargoyle> daftykins, Nope.
[16:01] <Gargoyle> Maybe it's just a Mac thing I had gotten used to.
[16:03] <daftykins> guess you didn't have multiple screens there then, i've always heard and seen first hand how Macs can't handle multiple displays :)
[16:04] <Gargoyle> Sure do. The last few iterations of OSX have been MUCH improved in that regard.
[16:05] <Gargoyle> Separate exposé per screen, etc.
[16:05] <daftykins> can't stand the OS myself - and the business practices of the company simply immoral
[16:05] <daftykins> yay i gave android pay my first try today, having repaired my phone \o/ waitrose had some self service machines in which supported it :)
[16:07] <Gargoyle> 4 years ago, I would have told anyone that it was the best desktop. Unix like sub-system with a well polished UI. But over the last few versions, they have crippled it from a hobbyist/techie perspective in favour of making it more of a consumer product.
[16:08] <Gargoyle> Which was the final push to make me switch to linux desktop! :-)
[16:09] <daftykins> hmm, i find it gives very little UI feedback in most operations as to anything going on - so for example adding accounts you have to sit and hope awaiting a result
[16:10] <daftykins> but the sale of outdated components in fixed configurations that are often not upgradable (or take a while to be reverse engineered) due to the Apple Way(TM) is just unforgivable for me :)
[16:15] <Gargoyle> daftykins, Yeah. But that's part of the consumer focus which Apple has always had to some degree. "It just works". None of this nonsense about only having the choice of 1 resolution option! ;-)
[16:15] <daftykins> Gargoyle: sounds like you're talking display res? did i misunderstand?
[16:17] <Gargoyle> Yeah I am. I have to run the nvidia tweak tool thing every login to change my screen res down a bit (MBP Retina).
[16:18] <Gargoyle> I'm not that bothered though. After Christmas I'm going to build a dedicated desktop system. The laptop will become a tool for the 2 days a month I am in the office until it dies.
[16:20] <Gargoyle> I'm sure with a bit more playing, I could get xrandr to play ball or something. Haven't really had the time to dig into it too much.
[16:20] <daftykins> ah i didn't mean to allude to that, but definitely the scaling settings are a joke versus manual control, and is an example of Apple dumbing things down too much
[16:20] <Gargoyle> yup
[16:22] <Gargoyle> Speaking of running out of time - must go and get a haircut before I forget what my ears look like!
[16:22] <Gargoyle> laters...
[16:22] <daftykins> enjoy o/
[17:20] <FebDebasAcer> Happy Coming Out Day ! https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=%23NationalComingOutDay&qpvt=%23NationalComingOutDay&FORM=EWRE