[00:47] <Omnifrog> heh, Death Cab For Cutie made a Trump song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE0nOfTA3pY
[01:40] <minasota> Does anyone here go to ##news?
[02:04] <Omnifrog> I get all my news from failblog and latenight TV
[02:06] <Omnifrog> and occasionally kink porn tumblrs
[02:07] <Omnifrog> oh, and of course the comment sections of any web site
[12:42] <wrst> soo, I am using 16.10 and it does not resolve hostnames on my LAN I have had this before and can not remember the fix, any ideas?
[13:16] <wrst> Unit193: so I see it is using resolved now, I know you love systemd :)
[14:01] <Unit193> wrst: resolvconf isn't new, resolvd is and so is nplan.  I'm either using none or only the former
[14:18] <wrst> Unit193: on arch i used avahi and it worked great, and works in ubuntu it resolves
[14:18] <wrst> but the system I think is using resolved?
[16:42] <[Ubik]> cyberanger: thanks
[18:58] <netritious> wrst: did you figure out your hostnames issue?
[18:58] <wrst> netritious: no not yet
[18:59] <wrst>  avahi-resolve -4 --name server2.local
[18:59] <netritious> what does that do wrst?
[18:59] <wrst> I can do that and it will resolve it to the ip address, but when i do ssh server2.local I get the could not resovle hostname
[19:00] <wrst> netritious: best I coudl tell should let you know if you are resolving, but I think in 16.10 that is being handled through systemd so not using avahi any more
[19:00] <wrst> I think...
[19:02] <netritious> edit your hosts file for now?
[19:02] <wrst> yeah I could do that but my network is all dhcp so attempting to figure it out
[19:02] <wrst> I should assign static ips to everything, I know :)
[19:02] <netritious> your server does not have a static IP assigned?
[19:03] <wrst> yes it does
[19:03] <wrst> meant other stuff on the network
[19:03] <wrst> yeah I should just do that for the server :)
[19:03] <netritious> :)
[19:03] <wrst> have a raspberrypi working for a time machine backup, and laptop etc that are dhcp
[19:03] <wrst> not a big deal just bothers me that it doesn't work
[19:07] <netritious> I chalk it up to the price of free software. It's never going to be perfect, but it will hopefully always stay free.
[19:08] <wrst> ha ha no doesn't bother me like that bothers me that I can't fix it :)
[19:10] <netritious> you're only problem is you aren't holding your nose just right
[19:12] <wrst> no doubt, how are you doing netritious?
[19:12] <wrst> and probably what I get for "pre-release" software but it isn't that much pre any more
[19:13] <netritious> pretty good wrst, wishing I had time to install 16.10 to help you figure that out...sounds like fun actually
[19:15] <wrst> ha ha I actually understand :)
[19:15] <wrst> it is no fun if you have no problems
[19:21] <netritious> i knoiw software gets a bit stale after two years, but I have had a ton of success with LTS
[19:21] <wrst> oh yeah it works great
[19:22] <wrst> i was on 16.04, replaced the HDD with a ssd and thought I would just go ahead and not mess with updating later
[19:22] <netritious> nothing wrong with that
[19:24] <netritious> you mentioned your raspberry pi...I have v1 model B sitting in front of me waiting for assignment, and a v2 model B that runs scripts to generate sales and inventory reports
[19:28] <wrst> they are just so handy, I have one that I use just to ssh into my network, one for time machine and one I just bounce stuff off of mess with and one in a shelf :)
[19:30] <netritious> wait, one IN a shelf? or did you mean on a shelf waiting to be put to work? :)
[19:32] <netritious> They are handy, but I haven't figured out what to do with the v1 yet, and currently collecting dust. I would really like a v3 model B to work with, but trying to hold off for v4 or even a v5.
[19:32] <netritious> v4 and v5 don't exist yet of course heh
[19:33] <netritious> just imagining the features that might be in them by then.
[19:34] <wrst> ha ha it is actually waiting to be used or maybe retired, replaced it iwth the v3 to do the time machine backus
[19:34] <wrst> using the onboard wifi doesn't need to be fast just work
[19:34] <netritious> and does it work ok wrst?
[19:34] <wrst> the v3 with bluetooth and wifi is nice
[19:35] <wrst> netritious: yes the wifi is slow, but it gets the job done nicely for a backup
[19:35] <wrst> for a laptop not for something high priority of course
[19:35] <netritious> how slow are we talking here?
[19:36] <wrst> hmm good question
[19:37] <wrst> hmm netritious not as slow as I thought
[19:37] <wrst> I think around 25Mbps or so type slow is what i had read but iwas only getting around 3Mbps on transfers
[19:37] <wrst> until I just checked and getting 18 with it right beside the router
[19:38] <netritious> nice
[19:38] <wrst> still not winning awards, but fast enough for that type of thing
[19:39] <netritious> if you are making backups wrst you win the award hshs
[19:39] <netritious> *haha
[19:40] <wrst> ha ha I like backups :)
[19:40] <netritious> me too wrst
[19:40] <wrst> I use crashplan for all our photos, videos important docs at home, that's what I have my little file server for, just dump everything to it and it uploads it over night
[19:41] <wrst> have two macbooks that backup to the pi
[19:41] <wrst> as I found the only issue there is you can't just hook the drive up to the macbook, and I don't trust HFS on linux
[19:41] <wrst> using a usb hard drive
[19:53] <netritious> not a bad crashplan wrst :D
[19:53] <netritious> brb
[19:58] <netritious> tada
[20:02] <netritious> wrst: I just use robocopy\rsync to a share hosted on the router for family stuff. All my other backups are volume based.
[20:17] <wrst> I am not near that complex and crashplan is a great 60 bucks or so a year for the service
[20:20] <cyberanger> hey netritious
[20:21] <netritious> hey cyberanger, how are you?
[20:21] <cyberanger> better than wrst, my dns settings work (sorry wrst )
[20:22] <netritious> ooooooh, burrrrrn lol
[20:22] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger :)
[20:22] <netritious> I swear wrst robocopy, rsync, and volume snapshots are the easiest, outside of point-and-click solutions.
[20:23] <wrst> well this is very much a point and click and offsite that's the big thing offiste done easily
[20:23] <wrst> I keep onsite backups also
[20:25] <cyberanger> netritious: It's pretty good, Setting my master VPN server back up on a droplet (I didn't need it since April so I merged alot of it unto my Asterisk Server with Vultr, but I'll need it again when I go back on the road)
[20:25]  * cyberanger drives a truck for a living, and does IT for fun now, much much better that way
[20:26] <cyberanger> <shameless plug>I will still accept some paid gigs and am starting a small hosting company too</shameless plug>
[20:27] <cyberanger> netritious: I do a two stage, first run rsync live with some filters avoiding /dev /proc and /sys, then fire up finnix and run rsync again to catch anything I missed. Works well for me.
[20:28] <cyberanger> wrst: still having that DNS issue?
[20:28] <wrst> yes
[20:28] <wrst> no big deal
[20:29] <wrst> just irritating
[20:29] <netritious> nice cyberanger! "On the road again... I can't wait to get ont eh road again..."
[20:30] <netritious> must be nice to travel
[20:30] <cyberanger> netritious: Exactly, regional this time too so more home time (weekly)
[20:30] <netritious> well that's cool too
[20:31] <cyberanger> It is, Finding a way to afford it though, hence this job.
[20:32] <cyberanger> I wish I had travelling infosec gigs, lose the sighseeing (granted now it's the sights out my windshield but still better) but have real fun pentesting.
[20:32] <netritious> yeah tech is expensive. I am currently in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mode
[20:32] <wrst> I'm in the break it to fix it mode
[20:33] <netritious> haha wrst
[20:33] <cyberanger> Long term planning, I want to spend a year doing the nomadic backpacking & sightseeing deal. Already applied for a few visa's with that in mind too.
[20:33] <wrst> nice cyberanger
[20:33] <netritious> yeah, do it now while you are still young
[20:34] <netritious> harder to climb trails after you retire
[20:35] <cyberanger> Oh, trails and cities, a little of both kinds of backpacking.
[20:36] <cyberanger> And exactly my thoughts, but I want the company stable and my finances prepared fully.
[20:36] <netritious> *harder to forge trails after you retire
[20:37] <cyberanger> Thankfully getting a trucking job now isn't hard, and I keep doing my job right, shouldn't be hard to quit for "personal reasons" and come back a year later and either find a company job, or get a lease
[20:37] <netritious> true
[20:38] <cyberanger> That's not expected to change either, great money for little effort.
[20:38] <cyberanger> Not that the job isn't hard, but it's more the personal sacrifices than the job itself, do your paperwork, move your load, be safe on the road.
[20:39] <netritious> roger that good buddy :D
[20:39] <Unit193> ...Perhaps I'm too used to living where people can't drive worth a crap.
[20:41] <netritious> has anyone read that article about OpenAI using reddit posts?
[20:41] <netritious> hello Unit193
[20:41] <Unit193> Howdy, idling as ever. :)
[20:42] <netritious> virtually idling though, right? :)
[20:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: My (admittedly biased) opinion, if everyone had to learn how to drive a CDL, a Motorcycle and a car, stick shift and all, to get any license and re-test every 5 years (at least) to renew it, it'd reduce it to such a small number of issues you could actually enforce the remaining issues away.
[20:44] <cyberanger> Driver's licenses for cars are only a little harder than getting a gumball out of a gumball machine, that's the problem.
[20:45] <cyberanger> Enforcement is more about shifting tax revenue to another name than truely protecting people on the road.
[20:46] <cyberanger> But I am biased
[20:47] <Unit193> cyberanger: Glad you said learn, not everyone can pass the CDL eye exam.  It also depends on where you'll drive, I'm fine for here (and other places of course), but driving in LA or SF would be an entirely different matter.
[20:48] <cyberanger> Unit193: Yeah, While I do think one should pass all three, and have all three. I'm enough of a realist to know some people are too afraid of motorcycles to ever take a road test, let alone pass.
[20:50] <cyberanger> If you can pass an eye test for motorcycle and car, but fail for a CDL, and understand my semi's stopping distance sucks, understand why I can't climb that mountain fully loaded at 70 MPH and know how to use a turn signal then job done.
[20:52] <cyberanger> If you can understand motorcycles are hard to see, and you need to LOOK for them on the road (along with everyone else, including pedrestians, deer and dogs) great.
[20:52] <cyberanger> That's not so much an Eye test as it is an IQ test.
[20:53] <cyberanger> Sorry but if your smart enough to install Ubuntu, your smart enough to know how to drive right.
[20:54] <cyberanger> Thankfully, I've learned to mostly let it go, and my runs had been at night (going forward, starting this regional, idk)
[20:56] <netritious> comparing installing ubuntu and driving a deathtrap around with other deathtraps everywhere isn't quite fair cyberanger
[20:56] <netritious> but I get your meaning
[20:57] <cyberanger> No, it's two different kinds of thinking. I'm not critizing anyone in here (Not seen anyone in here drive, and I'm pretty sure you don't IRC and drive)
[20:58]  * wrst does have quassel on his phone
[20:58] <netritious> wrst: do you quassel and drive?
[20:58]  * cyberanger has AndroIRC on his, and it does take awhile to fill a diseal tank.
[20:58] <wrst> I will not lie netritious
[20:58] <netritious> lol
[20:59] <wrst> I will just get really quiet
[20:59] <cyberanger> Point is with the ubuntu comment, it's about thinking about what your doing, yes you can adjust the radio, no the radio isn't more important than the road.
[21:01] <netritious> cyberanger: reread my reply and giggle darnnit
[21:01] <cyberanger> I did giggle, made me think about the movie death race.
[21:02] <wrst> cyberanger: quit your giggling and fix my dns issue!
[21:02] <cyberanger> Ubuntu isn't as homicidal, even compiling your own kernel can be less stressful.
[21:04] <cyberanger> wrst: lol, is avahi on every machine?
[21:05] <wrst> cyberanger: yes afaik but 16.10 is using systemd for it now I think?
[21:05] <cyberanger> still needs avahi
[21:05] <wrst> yes I have it
[21:05] <cyberanger> On both machines?
[21:05] <wrst> yes
[21:06] <wrst> cyberanger: wesley@desktop:~$ avahi-resolve -4 --name raspberrypi2.local
[21:06] <wrst> raspberrypi2.local      192.168.1.115
[21:07] <cyberanger> Okay, rereading the backlog too I think I see what's going on.
[21:08] <cyberanger> avahi-resolv bypsassed the normal dns lookup and ignores the hosts file, there's a config option for setting the order of lookups, I've had to add avahi manually to it before.
[21:08] <wrst> hmm that sounds likely
[21:08] <cyberanger> I need to see if ubuntu also changed that due to related systemd changes too
[21:09] <cyberanger> It'd still be a config tweak, but a different tweak than debian.
[21:09] <wrst> that gives me something to work at sounds right
[21:12] <Unit193> cyberanger: No actually there's something to do with the CDL eye test, that and aircraft, and the colors green and blue.  Seems it's a common problem.  I'd, err, gladly try riding on a bike though.  I rather want to some day.  And yeah, I've walked at night, you have to be very careful with cars.  But honestly I wouldn't actually do fine in larger cities.  Also I don't text nor mess with the radio,
[21:12] <Unit193> so there's that at least. :P
[21:13] <cyberanger> I can get that info later on too. I have that handy.
[21:13] <cyberanger> Just not on my phone handy
[21:14] <Unit193> (And yeah, to be clear I'm taking exactly zero personally. :P )
[21:14] <cyberanger> Unit193: The real reason with the learning is understanding of your limitations, and of those around you, I know you've already got that down by how you are with driving elsewhere.
[21:16] <cyberanger> That's why I would want you to take the eye test (so you understand it's there for all CDL holders too) but not fail your Class D becuase of it.
[21:17] <cyberanger> And you'd only retest for what your license is, but the first time you test for it all. and when you retest, it would cover understanding blindspots for everything, not just two cars
[21:18] <Unit193> Yeah, people learning better where the blindspots are on trucks would be a good thing.  There was a truck at the state fair for years that did exactly that.  I never ride beside one if I can help it, I'll speed up just to pass it (and leave pleeeenty of room), and not just because I don't want to piss one off.
[21:19] <cyberanger> Some semi drivers are idiots, but I've heard people call us idiots for going slow up a mountain, stopping at train tracks (by law) and seen cars fly out of my blind spot behind me, into one beside me and get very close in front of me, becuase I used my turn signal to say I needed over for the cop I just passed (I couldn't get over becuase of the car)
[21:20] <cyberanger> Or becuase a semi in front of me had a tire go to shreds, I needed to get over or stop, same issue forcing me to stay near the flying rubber and slow way down (I was slowing down anyway, but I wanted to also clear the rubber and not stop outright)
[21:21] <Unit193> Oh gosh, yes.  I know not all do, nothing worse than being beside a truck when it turns the turn signal on, you have no idea if it knows you're there.  Also years ago, there was this semi that was acting like a little red sports car, that was...something.
[21:23] <cyberanger> I've also had a system in my rig, think of it like radar, it'll disable my crusie control and even apply my brakes for me if you get too close. People will pass me on the left, get in front of me, slow down, trip my breaks, to catch an offramp last second.
[21:24] <cyberanger> And they were happy behind me for miles, had signs telling them about the offramp, wasn't the time to pass me anymore.
[21:24] <Unit193> Wow, that's nice.  On the other hand, yeah sometimes you really want to get past the truck before the offramp, otherwise you know the next long stretch is a single lane and hard to pass.
[21:24] <cyberanger> It doesn't make me mad, it's annoying and unnecessary but it happens.
[21:26] <cyberanger> Well, I'm talking more interstate, so always two lanes, signs saying your offramp is a 1/4th of a mile, you can access the offramp behind me, and instead you want to race past me just to slam your breaks at the bottom of the ramp for the red light.
[21:26] <Unit193> Though my cousin has informed be of the "big truck" syndrome.  A car will see a suburban and even if the car is going slower, it must pass.  Once it passes, it'll slow down causing the pickup to slow down too...
[21:26] <Unit193> Hah, niiice.
[21:27] <cyberanger> Yep, exactly, I can't be behind that slow truck going 65, so I'll pass him and continue going 60 MPH
[21:28] <Unit193> That's one good way to get run off the road if you ask me..  I'd find it hard to have sympathy.
[21:30] <cyberanger> I can take passengers and am thinking more about the streaming dashcam part of the TruckPC, so soon you'll get to see too I guess.
[21:30] <cyberanger> :-)
[21:31] <Unit193> ...That might be fun, but a bit longer than I'd prefer. >_>