=== chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === marcusto_ is now known as marcustomlinson [06:53] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=322289771897#ht_500wt_1414 [06:54] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BQ-Aquarus-E4-5-Ubuntu-Edition-bundled-with-extras-Unlocked-to-all-networks-/322289771897 [07:58] when will OTA-14 come? (I know that OTA-13 just were released) === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === om26er is now known as om26er1 === om26er1 is now known as om26er [10:41] zzarr: when it lands there there abouts [10:57] davmor2, are there a feature list? [10:58] zzarr: not that I am aware of [10:59] I wounder if the mms bugs are fixed? [11:00] (I can't receive mmses at all) [11:00] zzarr: are your settings correct? [11:04] yes [11:04] I have checked them, it used to work until OTA-10 [11:08] zzarr: have you reported a bug? [11:09] zzarr: also check your cellular data connection is on something other than 2g [11:10] I have reported "me too" to an existing report [11:10] it's on 4g [11:10] the data (e.g. browsing) works [11:11] zzarr: hmm then I'm outta ideas sorry :( [11:11] no problems [11:12] by the way, I can send mmses [11:13] which should only be possible if the settings are correct [11:13] zzarr: the send a receive work the same way so it should just work. Have you tried sending one to yourself? [11:13] yes [11:14] when I send to myself or anyone else does then there's nothing [11:14] when I send to anyone else it works [11:16] I would like to have a look at the message app, where can I find the code? [11:29] Buenas. I have a little question. Are there any plans yet to add more locking options to the lock screen? [11:31] zzarr: it's all in launchpad [11:32] fairiestoy: probably not no password, fingerprint, pin and none will probably be the defaults [11:33] For anything else, one has to hack it himself i guess? [11:36] fairiestoy: why what do you think is missing? [11:40] Not missing. But maybe a more safe way to lock my screen. I thought of more using the fact, that we have a touch screen. [11:41] As an example, something like the old safes with that spinning wheel with a random starting point. [11:52] okey, thanks === mimecar_ is now known as mimecar [12:58] zzarr: if/when ota14 comes it will mostly be all bug fixes [12:59] fairiestoy: a combination style UI would probably be doable, but remember that any implementation really needs to be usable on all devices, including standard PCs, for convergence === _salem is now known as salem_ [13:08] dobey, is there a page where I can see the bugreports/status? [13:10] zzarr: launchpad.net/canonical-devices-sytem-image [13:12] dobey: So is it in general a bad idea to implement something, that is more suitable for smaller devices (mobile phones) that for PC's? Since you are taking much of potential out of a platform or am i getting this wrong? [13:13] thanks dobey [13:15] fairiestoy: remember that the goal of ubuntu is convergence. that means using the same interface and software across all types of devices, as well as for example a phone being plugged in to a large external display for usage in PC style format. you need to be able to unlock the device while it's plugged into the external monitor as well as while it's a phone. so any implementation needs to consider all these factors [13:31] Is it possible to run ubuntu touch in a VM on my desktop [13:34] Qwertie: use ubuntu-emulator [13:34] Do I need -images and -runtime as well? [13:34] Qwertie: you can only use the stable channel and it only works as expected on xenial [13:36] Qwertie: you run sudo ubuntu-emulator create --channel ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu then run ubuntu-emulator run stable [13:36] Qwertie: it's slow but it should give you an idea [13:37] dobey: The question that pops up my mind is, how much more work is it, to have a situational interface? As example if we have a phone and plug it to a larger display, use another unlocking mechanism? Im aware, that this is quite some effort, since its easier to just scale or modify existing mechanisms to fit a new display size. [13:38] Qwertie: you can run unity8 in a qemu/kvm vm if you want [13:38] Qwertie: you can also install unity8-desktop-session on a standard vm or on your pc for the pc experience of unity8 [13:39] Is unity8 on desktop and ubuntu touch pretty much the same thing? [13:39] fairiestoy: i don't know the code for the lock screen, and haven't worked on the designs, so i can't say how much more work it would be. i simply know that it is something that must be considered [13:40] fairiestoy: that is a silly idea from sysadmins in most places users can't remember their passwords from one week to the next having to remember more than one on a device is madness I tell you ;) [13:41] fairiestoy: it's not just considering the display size though, but also how one interacts with the system. you can have a 24" touch screen, or a 5" screen that doesn't do touch. then there are goggles/glasses with a display, or a VR headset, that one can use [13:41] Qwertie: yes and no [13:43] I didn't find a bugreport about the mms problem, so I filed a new one [13:44] https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1632715 [13:44] Ubuntu bug 1632715 in Canonical System Image "Can't receive MMS messages" [Undecided,New] [13:44] I hope I filed it in the right place [13:48] zzarr: did you verify the APN is correct for your provider? [13:48] yes [13:49] and I can send mms, just not receive [13:49] I have even had contact with my providers tech support [13:51] I used to be able to receive mmses until OTA-10 [13:51] I forgot to write that [13:52] davmor2: Hmm yeah ok that's a good point ^^ [13:54] dobey: I see. It was just a quick idea in the first place and its interesting to see the points to consider. [13:55] now I have edited the report, I hope it's getting assigned to someone [13:58] fairiestoy: yes, someone made a design for such a lock screen a long while back, even. but it was only for the phone. i'm not sure how it would be adaptable to other interaction models === allizom1 is now known as allizom === Tobirium1 is now known as Tobirium === allizom1 is now known as allizom [14:54] hello [14:55] is it possible to run ubuntu touch on samsung galaxy s5 (klte)? did it anybody? thx :) [15:09] !devices | morf [15:09] morf: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [15:09] "no activity" :) [15:10] i guess supporting many devices is no fun at all... [15:19] Just read about this: http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/hp-elite-x3-lap-dock-features-specs would that also work with ubuntu touch? The laptop part at least. Since it is using miracast, I would almost assume that it should "just" work. [15:20] not sure if it will work or not. not all miracast things are equal [15:26] dobey, somebody should really check that (probably from Canonical) because it might be a boost for their convergence idea. I would like it, for sure. === salem_ is now known as _salem === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [15:58] mariogrip: Howdy, so I got a N5 and installed from ubports [15:59] mariogrip: It seems that on the OTA13 image the browser doesn't work because of a hybris mismatch. [15:59] mariogrip: I downgraded to OTA12 and things seem to all be okay. [15:59] mariogrip: The browser seemed to have the same issue on rc-proposed === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === _salem is now known as salem_ [16:35] Good Eve [16:35] greyback: Who was the guy for Mir you mentioned yesterday? [16:36] flohack: kdub can help with egl and mir [16:36] kdub: Are you alive? :) [16:36] yes [16:37] I got an issue with non-functional Mir server on HTC One X (endeavoru) [16:37] Basically now I am trying the various tests [16:37] e.g. this one: http://pastebin.com/iUr9kPVK [16:39] mir_demo_standalone_render_surfaces and mir_demo_standalone_render_overlays works on the other hand [16:39] sorry overlays does not work. [16:39] mir_demo_standalone_render_to_fb works [16:41] Ending mir_demo_server_minimal with CTRL-C gives: ^C*** Error in `mir_demo_server_minimal': corrupted double-linked list: 0x0109ebb8 *** [16:41] Aborted (core dumped) === salem_ is now known as _salem [16:42] kdub: still there? [16:43] well, probably need a backtrace if its segfaulting [16:44] and you can disable overlays with MIR_SERVER_DISABLE_OVERLAYS=true [16:46] Ok can I use a debug build somehow? [16:57] flohack, debug builds are available https://launchpad.net/%7Eci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+sourcepub/6988261/+listing-archive-extra [16:58] Oki will take a look. Need now internet on the device, also not so easy... [16:58] yknow, what's probably going on is [16:59] its the cpu mapping, and not the overlays that's being the problem [16:59] because render_to_overlays will try to draw with the CPU, and then post via hwc [16:59] and the diagnostics tests says that fails as well, so that might clue you in [17:13] hmm [17:13] kdub Im a porter, not a developer xD [17:14] But its not in Mir, look [17:14] kdub: root@ubuntu-phablet:~# test_egl [17:14] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [17:14] so the libhybris test is also failing === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem [18:47] Is there a usb device I can plugin to my tablet to see the battery percentage? [18:47] Wrong channel === mimecar is now known as Guest30741 === Guest30741 is now known as mimecar [19:33] Can I find debug symbols for libhybris-test somewhere [19:33] Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [19:33] 0x401bbdd8 in eglCreateWindowSurface () [19:33] from /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libhybris-egl/libEGL.so.1 [19:35] flohack: they should be in the PPA as well [19:36] Can I instruct apt to fetch them? ;) [19:36] because apt install libhybris-test-dbgsym does not work [19:37] you need to add the ddebs URL to apt [19:37] oh [19:50] Ok give up for today: error 3008 (EGL_BAD_DISPLAY) is my nemesis :) === mathijs is now known as Guest47780 === tedg_ is now known as tedg === mariogrip_ is now known as mariogrip === learnbsd_ is now known as learnbsd === allizom1 is now known as allizom === allizom1 is now known as allizom === allizom1 is now known as allizom === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem === allizom1 is now known as allizom