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[06:54] <CoderEurope> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BQ-Aquarus-E4-5-Ubuntu-Edition-bundled-with-extras-Unlocked-to-all-networks-/322289771897
[07:58] <zzarr> when will OTA-14 come? (I know that OTA-13 just were released)
[10:41] <davmor2> zzarr: when it lands there there abouts
[10:57] <zzarr> davmor2, are there a feature list?
[10:58] <davmor2> zzarr: not that I am aware of
[10:59] <zzarr> I wounder if the mms bugs are fixed?
[11:00] <zzarr> (I can't receive mmses at all)
[11:00] <davmor2> zzarr: are your settings correct?
[11:04] <zzarr> yes
[11:04] <zzarr> I have checked them, it used to work until OTA-10
[11:08] <davmor2> zzarr: have you reported a bug?
[11:09] <davmor2> zzarr: also check your cellular data connection is on something other than 2g
[11:10] <zzarr> I have reported "me too" to an existing report
[11:10] <zzarr> it's on 4g
[11:10] <zzarr> the data (e.g. browsing) works
[11:11] <davmor2> zzarr: hmm then I'm outta ideas sorry :(
[11:11] <zzarr> no problems
[11:12] <zzarr> by the way, I can send mmses
[11:13] <zzarr> which should only be possible if the settings are correct
[11:13] <davmor2> zzarr: the send a receive work the same way so it should just work. Have you tried sending one to yourself?
[11:13] <zzarr> yes
[11:14] <zzarr> when I send to myself or anyone else does then there's nothing
[11:14] <zzarr> when I send to anyone else it works
[11:16] <zzarr> I would like to have a look at the message app, where can I find the code?
[11:29] <fairiestoy> Buenas. I have a little question. Are there any plans yet to add more locking options to the lock screen?
[11:31] <davmor2> zzarr: it's all in launchpad
[11:32] <davmor2> fairiestoy: probably not no password, fingerprint, pin and none will probably be the defaults
[11:33] <fairiestoy> For anything else, one has to hack it himself i guess?
[11:36] <davmor2> fairiestoy: why what do you think is missing?
[11:40] <fairiestoy> Not missing. But maybe a more safe way to lock my screen. I thought of more using the fact, that we have a touch screen.
[11:41] <fairiestoy> As an example, something like the old safes with that spinning wheel with a random starting point.
[11:52] <zzarr> okey, thanks
[12:58] <dobey> zzarr: if/when ota14 comes it will mostly be all bug fixes
[12:59] <dobey> fairiestoy: a combination style UI would probably be doable, but remember that any implementation really needs to be usable on all devices, including standard PCs, for convergence
[13:08] <zzarr> dobey, is there a page where I can see the bugreports/status?
[13:10] <dobey> zzarr: launchpad.net/canonical-devices-sytem-image
[13:12] <fairiestoy> dobey: So is it in general a bad idea to implement something, that is more suitable for smaller devices (mobile phones) that for PC's? Since you are taking much of potential out of a platform or am i getting this wrong?
[13:13] <zzarr> thanks dobey
[13:15] <dobey> fairiestoy: remember that the goal of ubuntu is convergence. that means using the same interface and software across all types of devices, as well as for example a phone being plugged in to a large external display for usage in PC style format. you need to be able to unlock the device while it's plugged into the external monitor as well as while it's a phone. so any implementation needs to consider all these factors
[13:31] <Qwertie> Is it possible to run ubuntu touch in a VM on my desktop
[13:34] <davmor2> Qwertie: use ubuntu-emulator
[13:34] <Qwertie> Do I need -images and -runtime as well?
[13:34] <davmor2> Qwertie: you can only use the stable channel and it only works as expected on xenial
[13:36] <davmor2> Qwertie: you run sudo ubuntu-emulator create --channel ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu <Name of vm eg stable> then run ubuntu-emulator run stable
[13:36] <davmor2> Qwertie: it's slow but it should give you an idea
[13:37] <fairiestoy> dobey: The question that pops up my mind is, how much more work is it, to have a situational interface? As example if we have a phone and plug it to a larger display, use another unlocking mechanism? Im aware, that this is quite some effort, since its easier to just scale or modify existing mechanisms to fit a new display size.
[13:38] <dobey> Qwertie: you can run unity8 in a qemu/kvm vm if you want
[13:38] <davmor2> Qwertie: you can also install unity8-desktop-session on a standard vm or on your pc for the pc experience of unity8
[13:39] <Qwertie> Is unity8 on desktop and ubuntu touch pretty much the same thing?
[13:39] <dobey> fairiestoy: i don't know the code for the lock screen, and haven't worked on the designs, so i can't say how much more work it would be. i simply know that it is something that must be considered
[13:40] <davmor2> fairiestoy: that is a silly idea from sysadmins in most places users can't remember their passwords from one week to the next having to remember more than one on a device is madness I tell you ;)
[13:41] <dobey> fairiestoy: it's not just considering the display size though, but also how one interacts with the system. you can have a 24" touch screen, or a 5" screen that doesn't do touch. then there are goggles/glasses with a display, or a VR headset, that one can use
[13:41] <dobey> Qwertie: yes and no
[13:43] <zzarr> I didn't find a bugreport about the mms problem, so I filed a new one
[13:44] <zzarr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1632715
[13:44] <zzarr> I hope I filed it in the right place
[13:48] <dobey> zzarr: did you verify the APN is correct for your provider?
[13:48] <zzarr> yes
[13:49] <zzarr> and I can send mms, just not receive
[13:49] <zzarr> I have even had contact with my providers tech support
[13:51] <zzarr> I used to be able to receive mmses until OTA-10
[13:51] <zzarr> I forgot to write that
[13:52] <fairiestoy> davmor2: Hmm yeah ok that's a good point ^^
[13:54] <fairiestoy> dobey: I see. It was just a quick idea in the first place and its interesting to see the points to consider.
[13:55] <zzarr> now I have edited the report, I hope it's getting assigned to someone
[13:58] <dobey> fairiestoy: yes, someone made a design for such a lock screen a long while back, even. but it was only for the phone. i'm not sure how it would be adaptable to other interaction models
[14:54] <morf> hello
[14:55] <morf> is it possible to run ubuntu touch on samsung galaxy s5 (klte)? did it anybody? thx :)
[15:09] <dobey> !devices | morf
[15:09] <morf> "no activity" :)
[15:10] <morf> i guess supporting many devices is no fun at all...
[15:19] <wligtenberg> Just read about this: http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/hp-elite-x3-lap-dock-features-specs would that also work with ubuntu touch? The laptop part at least. Since it is using miracast, I would almost assume that it should "just" work.
[15:20] <dobey> not sure if it will work or not. not all miracast things are equal
[15:26] <wligtenberg> dobey, somebody should really check that (probably from Canonical) because it might be a boost for their convergence idea. I would like it, for sure.
[15:58] <tedg> mariogrip: Howdy, so I got a N5 and installed from ubports
[15:59] <tedg> mariogrip: It seems that on the OTA13 image the browser doesn't work because of a hybris mismatch.
[15:59] <tedg> mariogrip: I downgraded to OTA12 and things seem to all be okay.
[15:59] <tedg> mariogrip: The browser seemed to have the same issue on rc-proposed
[16:35] <flohack> Good Eve
[16:35] <flohack> greyback: Who was the guy for Mir you mentioned yesterday?
[16:36] <greyback> flohack: kdub can help with egl and mir
[16:36] <flohack> kdub: Are you alive? :)
[16:36] <kdub> yes
[16:37] <flohack> I got an issue with non-functional Mir server on HTC One X (endeavoru)
[16:37] <flohack> Basically now I am trying the various tests
[16:37] <flohack> e.g. this one: http://pastebin.com/iUr9kPVK
[16:39] <flohack> mir_demo_standalone_render_surfaces and mir_demo_standalone_render_overlays works on the other hand
[16:39] <flohack> sorry overlays does not work.
[16:39] <flohack> mir_demo_standalone_render_to_fb works
[16:41] <flohack> Ending mir_demo_server_minimal with CTRL-C gives: ^C*** Error in `mir_demo_server_minimal': corrupted double-linked list: 0x0109ebb8 ***
[16:41] <flohack> Aborted (core dumped)
[16:42] <flohack> kdub: still there?
[16:43] <kdub> well, probably need a backtrace if its segfaulting
[16:44] <kdub> and you can disable overlays with MIR_SERVER_DISABLE_OVERLAYS=true
[16:46] <flohack> Ok can I use a debug build somehow?
[16:57] <kdub> flohack, debug builds are available https://launchpad.net/%7Eci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+sourcepub/6988261/+listing-archive-extra
[16:58] <flohack> Oki will take a look. Need now internet on the device, also not so easy...
[16:58] <kdub> yknow, what's probably going on is
[16:59] <kdub> its the cpu mapping, and not the overlays that's being the problem
[16:59] <kdub> because render_to_overlays will try to draw with the CPU, and then post via hwc
[16:59] <kdub> and the diagnostics tests says that fails as well, so that might clue you in
[17:13] <flohack> hmm
[17:13] <flohack> kdub Im a porter, not a developer xD
[17:14] <flohack>  But its not in Mir, look
[17:14] <flohack> kdub: root@ubuntu-phablet:~# test_egl
[17:14] <flohack> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[17:14] <flohack> so the libhybris test is also failing
[18:47] <Bray90820_> Is there a usb device I can plugin to my tablet to see the battery percentage?
[18:47] <Bray90820_> Wrong channel
[19:33] <flohack> Can I find debug symbols for libhybris-test somewhere
[19:33] <flohack> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[19:33] <flohack> 0x401bbdd8 in eglCreateWindowSurface ()
[19:33] <flohack>    from /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libhybris-egl/libEGL.so.1
[19:35] <dobey> flohack: they should be in the PPA as well
[19:36] <flohack> Can I instruct apt to fetch them? ;)
[19:36] <flohack> because apt install libhybris-test-dbgsym does not work
[19:37] <dobey> you need to add the ddebs URL to apt
[19:37] <flohack> oh
[19:50] <flohack> Ok give up for today: error 3008 (EGL_BAD_DISPLAY) is my nemesis :)