[00:15] <tsimonq2> ScottK: you got a bug number? I lost it
 https://youtu.be/MjoXzvfN69M
[00:52] <ahoneybun> yea I saw mention of that today
[01:58] <ScottK> Not on my phone. I think I have it on my laptop.
[02:21] <tsimonq2> night o/
[02:29] <valorie> niters simon
[04:37] <ScottK> tsimonq2: Bug 1630700.  hefee (on #debian-qt-kde) says there are some additional commits needed to fully fix it.
[04:38] <ScottK> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kcoreaddons.git&a=commitdiff&h=a06cef31cc4c908bc9b76bd9d103fe9c60e0953f
[04:38] <ScottK> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kcoreaddons.git&a=commitdiff&h=5e13d2439dbf540fdc840f0b0ab5b3ebf6642c6a
[04:38] <ScottK> So in addition to Xenial , Yakkity needs some additional fixing.
[04:39] <ScottK> clivejo: ^^^
[07:32] <CRogers> Mornin. :)
[07:41] <acheronuk> Morning :)
[08:16] <santa_> good morning everyone
[08:17] <santa_> tsimonq2: I think we will get there once yakkety is out, we had to stuggle so much to get that in yakkety
[08:22] <acheronuk> still needs merging to xenial_backorts
[08:22] <santa_> kubuntu_xenial_backports
[08:22] <santa_> that won't be a problem
[08:22] <santa_> mparillo: I agree very much that the slowness in the updates is the key problem of kubuntu right now. there are a couple issues which are contibuting to that:
[08:22] <santa_> 1. lack of permissions of people working on the packaging (rik,clive,simon,myself)
[08:23] <santa_> 2. failing autotests, which makes our packages get stuck in -proposed
[08:23] <santa_> about 1. I think the kubuntu council is on the mood to cooperate
[08:24] <santa_> also we did some progress in that area: I got permissions to push my changes to git and upload to the ppas and clive got permissions to upload our packaging to the archive
[08:24] <acheronuk> santa_: yep. the one thing really blocking is testing on XX and sorting out what else needs copying over from Qt overlay ppas or rebuilding for the qt ABI change 
[08:25] <acheronuk> I imagine we can put that together in the landing ppa in fairly short order though, then test
[08:27] <santa_> mparillo: there's still work to be done about 1. rik is going to increase his status applying for membership, I also plan to apply for membership, then for 'Kubuntu Developer' that would give me permissions to upload packages to the archive
[08:28] <santa_> mparillo: about 2. it's easy to fix, we will check the failing autotests in advance so we won't be so stuck on that
[08:29] <santa_> mparillo: and I would add 3. like acheronuk pointed out, sometimes we don't have the Qt packages we need, which are not maintained by us. but we can work with the people who does
[08:30] <santa_> mparillo: so to sum up, I think it's feasible to improve that, but it will take some time and work
[08:30] <acheronuk> santa_: membership won't give me very more permissions on what is really needed
[08:31] <acheronuk> *very much
[08:31] <acheronuk> but it is a stepping stone :)
[08:31] <santa_> acheronuk: but you are one step less far from becoming a "Kubuntu Developer" and get permissions to upload our packaging
[08:32] <acheronuk> santa_: a gigantic step away
[08:32] <santa_> not really
[08:33] <santa_> it's not such a big deal, and you are smart enough to fill any gaps in your knowledge
[08:38] <acheronuk> perhaps. in my head it's like an exam, and I've always wanted to pass those with top marks rather than scraping a pass. maybe I'll have to adjust that aspiration slightly
[08:39] <mparillo> TY santa_ and I hope it did not sound like I was complaining. We are all volunteers here.
[08:40] <santa_> mparillo: sure, you don't "complain" in a bad way :)
[08:41] <mparillo> On another note, thank you for moving calligra along. I see:  [Notice] -queuebot to #ubuntu-release- New binary: calligra [amd64] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1:2.9.11-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu) Does that mean it will be added back to the ISO, and does that mean there will be another respin to test?
[08:42] <santa_> apparently it's not on the kubuntu iso, or so they said
[08:43] <santa_> right now is in yakkety-proposed and I have the impression it would be in yakety-updates once yakkety is out
[08:43] <mparillo> Excellent. You unstuck the builds by moving it to -proposed.
[08:44] <acheronuk> I *think* some part of calligra (data package?) used to get dragged onto the iso via deps or something
[08:57] <jimarvan> good morning peeps
[08:57] <jimarvan> how is it going?
[09:00] <acheronuk> morning.
[09:01] <acheronuk> not bad I think jimarvan :)
[09:01] <acheronuk> issues to sort as always, but YY isos seem done
[09:02] <jimarvan> :D
[09:02] <acheronuk> iso testing welcome http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/368/builds
[09:02] <jimarvan> thanks
[09:02] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[09:02] <jimarvan> downloading right away
[09:02] <jimarvan> hey BluesKaj
[09:03] <BluesKaj> hi jimarvan
[10:42] <acheronuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[10:42] <acheronuk> do we copy the XX ones and go from there?
 about 1. I think the kubuntu council is on the mood to cooperate  - I dont think it is their mood.  Decisions are made on a range of skills and attributes, such as contributions, working as part of a team, working within the established workflow, and also willingness and ability to mentor/support potential team members.  I don't think mood comes into it! 
[10:51] <santa_> "mood" so to speak
[10:52] <clivejo> well its release day :)
[10:52] <clivejo> and a big thankyou to you santa_ for all the work you put in
[10:52] <clivejo> its also my pups 1st birthday :)
[10:53] <santa_> yeah, I think I never had so much hair, so much beard and so many pizza boxes in my table XD
[10:53] <santa_> we will handle things better for zz I hope :)
[10:53] <acheronuk> +1 on the big thank you. we would have been in a deep hole without your hard work
[10:56] <acheronuk> clivejo: happy birthday to the pup :)
[10:56] <clivejo> I dont think he knows its his birthday
[10:56] <clivejo> hes running about like its just any old day
[10:57] <clivejo> we need cake!
[10:57] <acheronuk> I can still wish him one :P
[10:57] <clivejo> wish I could find a ball or toy he couldnt kill within 30mins of giving it to him
[10:57] <acheronuk> mmmmm..... cake
[11:00] <clivejo> ScottK: RE: LP 1630700 yakkety needs additional fixing?
[11:01] <acheronuk> and thankyou to shadeslayer_ for help uploading etc :)
[11:01] <clivejo> +1
[11:01] <shadeslayer_> you're most welcome :)
[11:02] <shadeslayer_> congrats on the release! :D
[11:19] <santa_> shadeslayer_: yes, thank you very much!
[11:26] <tsimonq2> Hey, we need three more Lubuntu testcases done, if anyone has a machine to spare, PLEASE help us out.
[11:42] <ScottK> clivejo: check with hefee on #debian-qt-kde, but AIUI, yes.  Those two additional commits I linked.
[13:10] <acheronuk> copied release notes over and made some initial changes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[13:10] <acheronuk> still needs some sorting though
 I'll work when I get home
[14:44] <jimarvan> :D
[14:44] <soee> o/
[14:46] <acheronuk> as always, jumping the gun http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/10/download-ubuntu-16-10-flavors
[15:22] <acheronuk> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-October/000213.html
[16:15] <jimarvan> RELEASE DAY
[16:15] <jimarvan> yay :D
[16:16] <jimarvan> when do we put it on the news?
[16:17] <acheronuk> when Aaron gets off work I think
[16:17] <tsimonq2> jimarvan: as soon as either ahoneybun valorie or ovidiuflorin realizes we have a release today :P
[16:18] <jimarvan> :)
[16:18] <BluesKaj> another anticlimctic release day for us testers :-)
[16:18] <jimarvan> haha
[16:18] <jimarvan> indeed
[16:18] <tsimonq2> :D
[16:18] <jimarvan> we need to put some fireworks on
[16:18] <jimarvan> need bam bum stuff
[16:18] <jimarvan> :P
[16:18] <BluesKaj> no upgrades 
[16:19] <jimarvan> BluesKaj: trust me Rick can make it sound like the upgrade of the century
[16:19] <jimarvan> :P
[16:19] <soee_> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/kubuntu-16-10-is-out-with-kde-plasma-5-7-applications-16-04-3-frameworks-5-26-509267.shtml
[16:20] <BluesKaj> the upgrade passed yesterday, for me at least, jimarvan
[16:20] <jimarvan> ;)
[16:20] <jimarvan> talk to you laters!
[16:20] <jimarvan> leaving office, see ya :D
[16:43] <mamarley> Do we know what ZZ is going to be called yet?
[16:43] <mamarley> Keeping with the American rock music theme of the previous release, it could be called ZZ Top. :p
[16:52] <acheronuk> nothing on mark's blog yet to say
[16:58] <alleehol> muon
[16:59] <alleehol> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu mentions muon update manger for upgrades.   That doesn't exist and AFAICS muon is not even part of kubuntu-desktop
[17:12] <soee> usually new name is 1 week after release
[17:12] <clivejo> was same day for yakkety
[17:13] <acheronuk> soee: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/tmp/release-name-notice.png
[17:15] <acheronuk> could be today. could be longer
[17:17] <soee> while waiting for zz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6tvmzfyaT4
[17:17]  * mamarley starts playing "Gimme All Your Lovin'" on an imaginary drumset.
[17:18] <acheronuk> I'm hoping he celebrates the end of the alphabet by breaking the animal theme, and goes for Z***** Zombie
[17:19]  * clivejo yawns
[17:21] <mamarley> clivejo: How can you possibly be thinking about sleeping with all this racket coming from my imaginary drumset? :p
[17:21] <clivejo> I seem to have managed to tune you out!
[17:21] <soee> clivejo: https://goo.gl/UflWr
[17:22] <clivejo> :/
[17:23] <clivejo> you must have a huge library of funny stuff
[17:26] <clivejo> anyone know how Phil was providing containers on Linode?
[17:27] <soee> btw. where is he these days ?
[17:28] <clivejo> hes taking some time off
[17:31] <tsimonq2> Hey, depending on how I feel tomorrow, thers
[17:32] <tsimonq2> *there's a chance I might take the weekend off
[17:32] <tsimonq2> Maybe even neext week
[17:32] <tsimonq2> *nexxt
[17:32] <tsimonq2> argh you get it
[17:32] <tsimonq2> This was a HARSH release
[17:34] <santa_> yep
[17:36] <acheronuk> clivejo: IRC logs https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/07/23/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t01:46
[17:37] <clivejo> LOL reading it now
[17:37] <acheronuk> not sure that really helps, but was when Phil was setting up the linode ones I think
[17:37] <clivejo> Im at evil_yofel
[17:37] <acheronuk> LOL
[17:40] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: whatever you need to do. 
[17:44] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: cosas buenas
[17:44] <clivejo> ahoneybun: ping
[17:46] <tsimonq2> Going AFK extra early today. o/
 Softpedia is going crazy on twitter that Kubuntu 16.10 has been released
[17:52] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: yep, I saw. 
 Do we consider it released, or we don't really have a choice?
 Can someone please give me some release notes, so I can update the site?
[17:53] <clivejo> does anyone know how Phil created the containers on Linode
[17:53] <acheronuk> nope
[17:54] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: not finished yet, but.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
 yeah...
 ok
 I'll link to it
 from the download page
[17:56] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: we are released AFAIK, but just running to catch up....
[17:58] <acheronuk> lubuntu notes are still 16.04, so we are not the last to catch up
 SHould I put 16.10 to be first?
 or leave the latest LTS to be first?
 on the download page?
 I'd put the latest on top
 But Ubuntu puts the latest LTS on top
 Should I still keep 14.04 there?
[18:04] <acheronuk> if me, I would leave 16.10 at the top, and leave 14.04 there at the bottom as well
[18:04] <acheronuk> as far as I am concered, using the LTS is an option, not the default choice
[18:04] <mamarley> That is my opinion too, if it matters.
[18:05] <acheronuk> and keeping it chronological top to bottom is less confusing
 That's what I did
 now if someone (hint valorie or ahoneybun @ahoneybun) wants to write a blog post for our site, I'll gradly publish it
 the updated download pages are onlline
[18:11] <clivejo> tsimonq2: are you running a container inside your container on Linode?
 Listen here you, some people have jobs and such
 What's up clivejo?
[18:49] <ahoneybun> clivejo: pong
[19:01] <ahoneybun> some good news: https://plus.google.com/+KristerHallergard/posts/95aF1hJweNA
[19:01] <ahoneybun> acheronuk already commented on it
[19:12] <clivejo> ahoneybun: its ok, got sorted
[19:13] <ahoneybun> ok
[19:14] <clivejo> I wanted the login details for the Linode main container
[19:15] <ahoneybun> I do not have that
[19:28]  * ahoneybun works a little on the release post
[19:34] <ahoneybun> valorie: around to review it?
[19:46] <ahoneybun> yay minor bugs: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=370703
[19:55] <valorie> around to review wha?
[19:55] <valorie> just got online
 The release post for the site
[19:55] <valorie> and haven't read up yet
[19:56] <valorie> ok
 Alright
[19:57] <valorie> we're going to keep the LTS banner?
[19:58] <valorie> i guess that's OK
[19:58] <valorie> most of our users are on the LTS
 I don't have anything
 to me it looks like we forgot to change it
 No one made anything
 LTS is an option people can take, but 16.10 is the latest supported release
 who made the LTS one?
 Andreas
[20:00] <valorie> ahoneybun: aren't we linking to upgrade notes and the download site?
 He's in the Podcast Telegram group
 Well opps
[20:01] <valorie> if you give me the links here I'll add 'em
 If we are debating if it needs changing or not, I guess we don't need to change it tonight. no with urgency anyway
[20:03] <ahoneybun> alright back in my room
[20:04] <ahoneybun> valorie: I don't think those pages are done
 personally I think the banner should highlight the latest release
[20:04] <valorie> not much point in publishing until they are
[20:05] <valorie> the banner should wait, but we have to point to a page that tells people on the LTS how to turn that switch off, and the steps to upgrade
[20:05] <valorie> and those who want to download, where to get it from
[20:06] <ahoneybun> valorie: working on getting a VM up now
[20:06]  * ahoneybun deleted the 16.04 image ..
[20:06] <valorie> oops
[20:06] <valorie> I seed all of the supported ones, so I always have loads of images
 back later
[20:07] <valorie> oh, release note page has the info
[20:07] <valorie> perfect
[20:08] <valorie> we just need our download page updated
[20:08] <ahoneybun> I have limited space so...
[20:08] <ahoneybun> valorie: the download page where?
[20:08] <valorie> looks like that is already done as well
[20:08] <valorie> https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[20:08] <ahoneybun> ovidiuflorin did that
[20:08] <ahoneybun> yea just saw it
[20:09] <valorie> ok, will publish then
[20:09] <valorie> when we have the more elaborate notes about how to upgrade we can add that as well
[20:09] <ahoneybun> valorie: got a link for the upgrade from Xenial page?
[20:09] <ahoneybun> I know there was a card somewhere
[20:09] <valorie> on the card
[20:10] <ahoneybun> I'm trying to find it
[20:10] <valorie> published
[20:11] <ahoneybun> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YakketyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[20:11] <ahoneybun> found it
 couldn't be too precise in the notes on upgrade, as I always do it via command line
[20:11] <valorie> me too
[20:11] <valorie> so much faster
[20:11] <valorie> sometimes I test the gui though
 and no GUI to crash!
[20:11] <valorie> didn't have time for that this time
[20:12] <valorie> gui did crash on me once a few years ago
[20:12] <valorie> fortunately I knew the commandline already
 last time I recall using the gui was maverick I think? :P
[20:22] <valorie> don't we have a cli workaround for the driver manager problem?
[20:22] <valorie> I should add that to the release notes
[20:22] <valorie> if the wiki lets me do it
[20:28] <tsimonq2> no ahoneybun I have a school, not a job
[20:28] <tsimonq2> :P
[20:28] <tsimonq2> clivejo: and a container inside that one
[20:30] <valorie> is it sudo ubuntu-drivers list ?
[20:34] <acheronuk>  Available commands:
[20:34] <acheronuk>    devices: Show all devices which need drivers, and which packages apply to them.
[20:34] <acheronuk>    list: Show all driver packages which apply to the current system.
[20:34] <acheronuk>    autoinstall: Install drivers that are appropriate for automatic installation.
[20:34] <acheronuk>    debug: Print all available information and debug data about drivers.
[20:35] <acheronuk> for sudo ubuntu-drivers
[20:36] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: you playing Russian dolls with lxc containers?
[20:36] <valorie> so like, sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[20:36] <valorie> that seems a bit dicey
[20:36] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: how'd you guess? :D
[20:36] <acheronuk> not actually tried that one, I would not add that in the notes
[20:37] <valorie> when I invoked that, 
[20:37] <valorie> he following additional packages will be installed:
[20:37] <valorie>   bbswitch-dkms lib32gcc1 libc6-i386 libcuda1-367 libjansson4 libxnvctrl0 nvidia-opencl-icd-367 nvidia-prime nvidia-settings ocl-icd-libopencl1 policykit-1-gnome screen-resolution-extra
[20:37] <valorie> I control C'd that
[20:37] <valorie> nope, nope
[20:38] <acheronuk> devices and list let you see what there is. then you can manually install with apt or a package manager what you want
[20:39] <acheronuk> saying that, even the basic nvidia-3XX driver pulls in a lot of packages like above
[20:40] <acheronuk> some on recommends though, which you could avoid
[20:43] <valorie> I trusted driver-manager output
[20:43] <valorie> and feel I don't know enough to mess with my drivers
[20:43] <valorie> autoinstall it seemed wanted to go a big far
[20:45] <acheronuk> would have not really done any harm. just much of it not really needed for all nvidia cards
[20:45] <valorie> well, 
[20:45] <valorie> $ sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[20:45] <valorie> intel-microcode
[20:45] <valorie> nvidia-340
[20:45] <valorie> nvidia-367
[20:45] <valorie> so it seems I have what is recommended already
[20:46] <valorie> anyway, this is too involved for that wiki page
[20:46] <acheronuk> yep
[20:57] <valorie> am I the only one who still can't use "full-upgrade" with apt?
[20:57] <valorie> so annoying
[20:57] <valorie> have to use dist-upgrade like the old days
[20:57] <valorie> heh, and nothing to upgrade today
[21:12] <ahoneybun> mm I can't click next on the 16.04 image
[21:12] <ahoneybun> in a VM
[21:12] <ahoneybun> just not clickable
[21:22] <clivejo> does anyone know where Jenkin's stores its keys?
[21:24] <tsimonq2> s/Jenkin's/Jenkins/
[21:24]  * clivejo slap's tsimonq2
[21:25] <tsimonq2> s/slap's/slaps/
[21:25] <tsimonq2> learn grammar! :P
[21:25] <clivejo> Im dyslexic, I cant
[21:26] <tsimonq2> s/cant/can't/
[21:26]  * tsimonq2 runs
[21:27] <clivejo> you are lucky there is an ocean between us
[21:27] <tsimonq2> clivejo: omg I almost forgot
[21:27] <tsimonq2> HAPPY PUP BIRTHDAY! :D
[21:28] <clivejo> hes already broken all his toys
[21:28] <tsimonq2> BAD DOG
[21:28] <tsimonq2> :P
[21:30] <clivejo> grrrr
[21:31] <clivejo> how does this work!!
[21:34]  * clivejo wonders what is running in dizzy-simon
[21:35] <clivejo> tsimonq2: have you a bridge or something configured, or another container?
[21:36] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Magical Wizard Stuff™
[21:36] <clivejo> hummmm
[21:37] <clivejo> Dizzy Magic is forbidden
[21:39] <tsimonq2> clivejo: so none of this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFVaH0E9X3s :P
[21:44] <tsimonq2> valorie: we needs Mailign List release announcements
[21:45] <valorie> oh right
[21:45] <valorie> I'll forward the ubuntu one and add Kubuntu magick
[21:46] <tsimonq2> :D :D :D
[21:48] <clivejo> where?!?
[21:48]  * clivejo grabs Simon and shakes him violently
[21:49] <clivejo> tell me where!
[21:50] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Release Announcement?
[21:50] <clivejo> no, keys
[21:50] <clivejo> where are the keys!
[21:51] <tsimonq2> clivejo: If you're talking about Jenkin's keys, I don't know a Jenkin.
[21:57]  * clivejo cries
[21:57] <clivejo> ls
[22:18] <ahoneybun> oh you kept in those "\o/" valorie lol
[22:22] <valorie> I didn't notice them
[22:22] <valorie> we can take them out when we add it the detailed help page
[22:23] <valorie> working on a blog post right now
[22:24]  * tsimonq2 taps his foot at sabdfl
[22:24] <tsimonq2> Zealous Zebu I hope :P
[22:25] <valorie> as long as it isn't zebra
[22:25] <tsimonq2> nah that wouldn't be like Mark
[22:26] <tsimonq2> valorie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fljKx9nvrL4
[22:28] <valorie> and that right there is why I don't want it
[22:28] <valorie> lol
[22:30] <tsimonq2> valorie: you see that before today?
[22:30] <valorie> I've not
[22:30] <valorie> or only in nightmares.....
[22:30] <tsimonq2> XDDDDD
[22:31] <tsimonq2> valorie: now you have to beg sabdfl not to pick that :P
[22:31] <acheronuk> clivejo: is the an environment var GNUPGHOME set?
[22:32] <clivejo> where?
[22:33] <acheronuk> the tooling for the main jenkins sets it to ENV['GNUPGHOME'] = '/var/lib/jenkins/tooling/gnupg, so I wondered if there was similar on the slaves?
[22:34] <acheronuk> quite possible not...
[22:39] <clivejo> grrr
[22:39] <clivejo> I hate computers
[22:39] <clivejo> I really do
[22:40] <valorie> I <3 computers, I <3 Kubuntu, I <3 y'all
[22:40] <valorie> even grumpy clive
[22:40] <valorie> thanks mparillo
[22:41] <mparillo> My pleasure.
[22:41] <clivejo> Im trying to get filezillia to connect via sftp
[22:41] <clivejo> but it cant see my keys
[22:42] <tsimonq2> clivejo: you proved valorie's point :P
[22:42]  * tsimonq2 runs
[22:42] <ahoneybun> seems sadbfl likes apt-get
[22:42] <valorie> so old-fashioned
[22:42] <ahoneybun> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z3yusiCOCk
[22:43] <ahoneybun> that url though...
[22:45] <valorie> I almost forgot: happy birthday clivepup!
[22:45] <tsimonq2> ^ :D
[22:45] <clivejo> tsimonq2: what are you doing?
[22:46] <tsimonq2> clivejo: releasing Lubuntu 16.10, you?
[22:46]  * acheronuk throws the pup an indestructible squeaky toy
[22:46] <clivejo> I need help
[22:47] <tsimonq2> !help | clivejo 
[22:47] <clivejo> grrr
[22:47] <acheronuk> ubotto needs a 'slap the smartass' trigger 
[22:48] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:48]  * clivejo decides he dont need help that bad 
[22:51] <acheronuk> sorry clive. just barely keeping from zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[22:51] <acheronuk> so would not be much help anyway
[22:52] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I CAN HELP YOU :D :D :D :D :D
[22:53] <clivejo> no you cant, you will just annoy me even more
[22:55] <clivejo> does anyone find that copying in Yakkety sometimes doesnt work?
[22:55] <clivejo> especially from PIM?
[22:55] <tsimonq2> copying?
[22:56] <clivejo> yes, like copy a section of an email
[22:56] <tsimonq2> oh
[22:56] <clivejo> I have to click copy several times
[22:56] <tsimonq2> !support | clivejo 
[22:56]  * tsimonq2 runs
[22:57] <mparillo> copying (ctrl-v) just worked for me in Konversation. I have noticed that I seem to hit <alt><tab> once to bring up the list of windows, then a second time to go the next one.
[22:58] <mparillo> And when a tester or developer asks a question it can be construed as debugging, not a support request.
[22:58] <tsimonq2> mparillo: I was kidding
[22:58] <mparillo> I know
[22:58] <acheronuk> night everyone. thank you for all the efforts and help on yakkety. despite adversity, it has been fun :)
[22:59] <mparillo> TY acheronuk. And it sounds as if Clive could use some unconditional support now.
[22:59] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: <3 o/
[22:59] <acheronuk> clive always has my unconditional support
[23:00]  * tsimonq2 pets clivejo's pup
[23:01] <clivejo> ah
[23:01] <clivejo> Im in!
[23:01] <acheronuk> in what?
[23:01] <clivejo> the slave
[23:02] <valorie> weeeee
[23:02]  * acheronuk is sleepy but too curious to go now
[23:02] <clivejo> I could only access it via river (kci.pangea)
[23:02] <acheronuk> make the slave spill it's secrets
[23:02] <clivejo> but I added my keys and able to connect directly
[23:03] <clivejo> Im copying the /var/lib/jenkins now
[23:03] <clivejo> locally
[23:03] <clivejo> see if I can restore the files to master
[23:04] <clivejo> I can see LP PPA and git keys
[23:04] <clivejo> alioth
[23:04] <clivejo> and slaves
[23:05] <clivejo> but dunno how to make it that jenkins can see them
[23:06] <tsimonq2> sudo clivejo do "Configure LXC containers and rewrite in Python."
[23:06] <tsimonq2> :P
[23:06] <acheronuk> we can work it out
[23:06] <acheronuk> or bribe someone who can
[23:07] <tsimonq2> I take cash or bitcoin, and beer if you can smuggle it to me :P
[23:11] <acheronuk> not you
[23:11] <acheronuk> :P
[23:12] <acheronuk> well, not with beer or bitcoin anyway
[23:12] <mparillo> Maybe we smuggle tsimonq2 to DE and he would be legal there.
[23:12] <tsimonq2> oh?
[23:12] <acheronuk> DE?
[23:13] <tsimonq2> mparillo: what's the legal age there?
[23:14] <mparillo> I assumed non-existent, like their speed limits in the good old days; just act responsibly, like a good German.
[23:15] <acheronuk> damn, Akademy was just there
[23:17] <clivejo> this could take a while :/