[05:28] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop powerpc [Yakkety Final] has been updated (20161013) [11:20] all done? :) [11:20] thanks for the help and moral support etc this release [11:21] I look forward to lxqt [11:25] acheronuk: Soon, but no LXQT. [11:25] *LXQt [11:25] gahhhhhh y u no test testers [11:26] not in ZZ? [11:26] acheronuk: in 17.04, yes, hopefully [11:27] (I don't know wthat this "ZZ" thing is that you speak of :P) [11:27] that is what I meant [11:27] *what === pavlushka is now known as Guest52849 === pavlushka_ is now known as Guest59271 [16:35] * teward pokes wxl and tsimonq2 [16:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1633148 - is this still an issue? [16:35] Launchpad bug 1633148 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu 16.10 slideshow still incorrectly showing Lubuntu Software Center" [Undecided,New] [16:36] an Ask Ubuntu user says it's still an issue [16:51] teward: don't think so but i'll have to look. might be a good question for redwolf [17:14] we're SOL for Yakkety anyways [17:14] ? [17:14] oh [17:14] right because it's released :) [17:15] wxl: this weekend I want to look at the Kubuntu and Lubuntu slideshows and improve things [17:15] kk [17:15] we can always upgrade after :) [17:16] wxl: after what? [17:16] after release [17:23] wxl: well the installers don't automatically update [17:24] oh yeah derp [17:30] wxl: so I can't have a day off for UOS it seems :( [17:30] wxl: should I send a Doodle to the mailing list for a meeting next week? [17:30] wxl: we really need to discuss some important things ;) [17:30] (LXQt :P) [17:35] sure sure [17:44] ok wxl [17:45] wxl: so, 'won't fix' then? [17:45] teward: Target release: 17.04 [17:46] tsimonq2: so won't fix for Yakkety, fix planned for 17.04 (next series) [17:46] teward: correct, there's no way to fix it in Yakkety [17:46] as i thought [17:46] see my comment on the bug [17:47] (next time you guys can post your own!) [17:47] teward: ok thanks o/ [18:41] tsimonq2: just fyi going to lunch in about 20 minutes [20:28] wxl: hey hey hey, I'll write release announcements, then we'll get this show on the road! :) [20:28] tsimonq2: let's go!!! [20:29] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases needs to be updated with 14.10 [20:29] um [20:29] and every other release known to man too apparently :) [20:29] wxl: ok, I'll draft everything then I'll get you screenshots and stuff before I release [20:29] lol [20:30] kk tsimonq2 thank you! [20:30] lubuntu.me's still pending transfer [20:31] ah k m8 [20:32] wxl: I'm gonna make our announcement all purty with Lenny Yak XDD [20:32] ooh purdy [20:40] wxl: idea: http://kubuntu.org/the-kubuntu-team/ but for lubuntu.me [20:40] tsimonq2: yes do it [20:41] wxl: :D [20:42] wxl: preferred hackergotchi link? [20:42] tsimonq2: lp [20:42] k [20:56] wxl: we need a new non-Phill description of wth Lubuntu is [20:59] talk to me tsimonq2 [21:00] wxl: the current description uses vague language that some users might find somewhat...just downright mean [21:00] wxl: at least to me [21:00] tsimonq2: link [21:01] wxl: http://lubuntu.me/xenial-released/ [21:01] wxl: I was copy/pasting [21:01] * wxl shrugs [21:01] i don't think it'sparticularly bad [21:02] I beg to differ [21:02] let's go line by line [21:02] Lubuntu is a flavor of Ubuntu based on the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE), as its default GUI. [21:02] that's just true. [21:02] yeah [21:02] that's fine [21:02] ok [21:02] let's do clause by clause [21:02] The goal is to provide a very lightweight distribution [21:02] again, true [21:03] yup keep it [21:03] those two things are the most prominent "features" of lubuntu [21:03] with all the advantages of the Ubuntu world (repositories, support, etc.). [21:03] that needs work ^ [21:03] that's possibly redundant relative to "flavor of Ubuntu" [21:03] let's do [21:04] Lubuntu is an official Ubuntu flavor etc [21:04] and then [21:04] the ".)." is annoying me :P [21:05] The goal is to provide a functional yet lightweight distribution. [21:05] s/goal/project's goal/ [21:05] Lubuntu is targeted at “normal” PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware [21:05] it maybe a bit iffy [21:05] yeah [21:06] with the quotes [21:06] it's like saying all Lubuntu users are weird :P [21:06] Lubuntu specifically targets older machines with lower resources, but also runs great on newer hardware. [21:06] and then [21:06] Such users may not know how to use command line tools, and in most cases they just don’t have enough resources for all the bells and whistles of the “full-featured” mainstream distributions. [21:07] which is an ok idea but doesn't get it across that well [21:07] wxl: 👍 on "Lubuntu specifically targets older machines with lower resources, but also runs great on newer hardware." [21:07] I agree wxl [21:07] the idea being that there's usually two options: [21:07] 1. distro with everything [21:07] wxl: I just don't like the idea of assuming our users are stupid [21:07] 2. distro that can't do much [21:08] i think perhaps it's not even worth mentioning since we have "functional yet lightweight" [21:08] yeah [21:08] so let's just skip it and we can do it in the next one [21:08] With many LXDE components, Lubuntu also uses well-known applications, such as Firefox, Openbox, Pidgin, to name a few. [21:09] "...such as Firefox, Openbox, and Pidgin, to name a few." looks better to me [21:10] And I'm not liking "With many," maybe "Alongside" ? [21:10] Along with a simple but usuable graphical user interface, Lubuntu comes with a wide variety of applications chosen for their small footprint [21:10] not sure if we want to list off the apps [21:10] maybe better to say something like [21:11] so you can browse, email, chat, play, and be productive. [21:12] I think that's better. [21:12] wxl: so have a proposal for exact wording? [21:13] yep [21:14] Lubuntu is an official Ubuntu flavor based on the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE) as its default GUI. [21:14] The project's goal is to provide a functional yet lightweight distribution. [21:14] Lubuntu specifically targets older machines with lower resources, but also runs great on newer hardware. [21:15] Along with a simple but usuable graphical user interface, Lubuntu comes with a wide variety of applications chosen for their small footprint so you can browse, email, chat, play, and be productive. [21:15] mmm [21:16] let's trim it up just a tad more [21:16] first sentence [21:16] ok [21:16] Lubuntu is an official Ubuntu flavor based on the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE). [21:17] I think that's good [21:18] So I have this: [21:18] Lubuntu is an official Ubuntu flavor based on the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE). The project's goal is to provide a functional yet lightweight distribution. Lubuntu specifically targets older machines with lower resources, but also runs great on newer hardware. Along with a simple but usuable graphical user interface, Lubuntu comes with a wide variety of applications chosen for their s [21:18] mall footprint so you can browse, email, chat, play, and be productive. [21:18] wxl: look good to you? [21:20] switch lightweight and functional [21:20] wxl: I saw :P [21:20] done [21:22] wxl: too cheesy? http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1476393750.png [21:22] I think it's fine [21:23] do it [21:23] :D [21:41] wxl: http://disq.us/p/1crg91l [21:44] wxl: how's it look? http://img.ctrlv.in/img/16/10/13/5800000811c20.png [21:45] wxl: read carefully, I tweaked some trivial things [21:45] removing PowerPC from the list of images supported [21:46] wxl: new image link: http://img.ctrlv.in/img/16/10/13/5800009c2c999.png [21:46] wxl: should I mention PowerPC not being supported? [21:46] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD8vwxhxKpA [21:47] tsimonq2: remove the "you do not need to subscribe to ask a question" thing [21:47] ok [21:47] true as it may be, encouraging that behavior means the user runs the risk of not receiving the reply [21:48] yeah [21:48] CPU should be capital Flash [21:48] Graphics section is kind of meh [21:48] Maybe just get rid of it [21:48] ok [21:49] Phillism [21:49] It's like saying "oh yeah everything works!!!!! except when it doesn't" [21:49] and then provides misleading instructions to fix it [21:49] yeah [21:51] wxl: how's this look? blob:http://imgur.com/be7b3039-9a5f-4b00-abeb-c3b54d76eb5e [21:51] argh [21:51] wxl: I mean http://i.imgur.com/DpcPVPP.png [21:51] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD8vwxhxKpA [21:52] wxl: Well first maybe it would be a good idea to write Release Notes... [21:52] tsimonq2: get on it ! :) [21:53] :P [21:54] * tsimonq2 preys to the wiki gods [21:55] OH WIKI GODS, LET ME LOG IN! [21:56] MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!!! :P [21:59] wxl: Release Notes are also a Phillism, I'll let you know when I'm done editing so we can proofread [21:59] k [22:00] wxl: so this is mysteriously linked, what is it? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Setup [22:00] lynorian: ping ping ping [22:01] wxl: we tested the upgrade from 16.10 or do I need to do it quick? [22:01] I think I made a minor edit most of that was written a long time ago [22:01] lynorian: have you tested the upgrade to 16.10? [22:01] huh i didn't even notice [22:01] we didn't have upgrade "images" [22:02] wxl: exactly [22:02] no that wiki page I was talking about [22:02] see why I like proofreading things? :P [22:02] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Setup is our old docs [22:02] you'll find it linked from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation [22:03] wxl: we got docs on release upgrading? [22:03] mm [22:03] somewhere [22:04] well I need em [22:04] um [22:04] heh [22:04] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/#Upgrading_from_last_release [22:05] we can embellish on that later i guess [22:05] wxl: 👍 thx [22:08] tsimonq2: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/view/head:/testcases/image/1310_Upgrade [22:08] wxl: thoughts on axing GetLubuntu altogether? [22:08] tsimonq2: at present, no [22:09] wxl: you saying no to axing it or no to having any thoughts? [22:09] tsimonq2: no to axing it [22:09] ok [22:09] tsimonq2: which is a thought, so yes to that [22:09] :) [22:09] :P [22:10] wxl: Update pls? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu [22:11] tsimonq2: you're asking me to change it? [22:11] wxl: yes please [22:11] wxl: I shouldn't have to do everything. :P [22:11] * tsimonq2 is kidding [22:12] yes [22:12] you should be kidding [22:12] you will do EVERYTHING [22:12] oh so you saying no? [22:12] no i'll do it :) [22:12] wxl: I was gonna go get dinner :3 [22:12] ok :) [22:12] nevermind dinner! [22:12] ttfn [22:12] i'm working over here [22:12] wxl: be back in a min or tw [22:12] *two [22:15] mmmMMMmmm beef stew [22:17] tsimonq2: ok dumb question but how long do we support non-lts for? [22:17] wxl: 9 months dude [22:17] kk [22:17] wxl: RTFM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [22:17] !language | tsimonq2 [22:17] tsimonq2: The main Ubuntu channels require that you speak in calm, polite English. For other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [22:18] wxl: Read The Fine Manual, dude [22:18] uh huh [22:18] suuuure [22:18] there's also a GetLubuntu/LTS [22:18] sigh [22:18] :/ [22:18] ugh that page needs all torn up and fixed, too [22:19] wxl: that's why I say 🔨 wreck it [22:19] no [22:19] other resources are kind of dependent on it [22:19] good idea for the future but no time now [22:20] wxl: what? lubuntu.net? :P [22:20] so if trusty is out April 2014, we support it until April 2017? [22:20] mmmHMMMMMMMMMMM [22:20] lynorian: you want a job, buddy? XD [22:21] fix that wiki page? [22:21] the LTS one [22:21] it should list both Trusty and Precise [22:21] ugh [22:21] Trusty and Xenial [22:22] wxl link? [22:22] lynorian: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu/LTS [22:31] tsimonq2: done https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#preview [22:31] eyy cool [22:31] what next? [22:32] wxl: Look good to you? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu [22:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/PrePostReleaseTODO [22:32] shouldn't for 14.04 it link to 14.04.5 now [22:32] yes lynorian [22:32] tsimonq2: We now ship with Linux Kernel 4.8 should go in blog [22:33] wxl: will do [22:33] tsimonq2: re: upgrade, kill the "works fine" bit [22:33] wxl: done [22:33] wxl: ok [22:34] wxl: done [22:34] tsimonq2: you sure about the bug list? i.e. did you check the iso tracker and add as well as checking on the status of all previous bugs? [22:35] wxl: no dude that's from beta 2. thanks for the reminder. [22:35] np [22:36] wxl: good catch, a bug is fixed! [22:37] wxl: dude in the future, redwolf is right [22:37] wxl: it's getting released today but not on time :/ [22:37] yeah [22:37] we need to do this stuff ahead of itme [22:38] admittedly i've never had them release without getting the ok from everyone [22:39] and i've never had them do so quite so early [22:41] wxl: then I would say something to Adam if it concerns you [22:41] I would [22:44] I am not the best with moinmoin but I got 14.04 to point to 14.04.5 at least for what should [22:45] lynorian: it's nothing sed couldn't take care of. don't forget to add 16.04 to that page, too. [22:46] wxl: omg I wonder if we could somehow use curl to auth to the wiki and sed pages!!! [22:46] tsimonq2: with openid? won't be trivial. [22:46] awwwwwwwww [22:46] however [22:47] you could curl URL?action=raw | sed | xclip [22:49] well if you could wouldn't that make it easy for spammers [22:50] yeah [22:52] wxl: an example of why he could have waited for your OK is bug 1633148 [22:52] bug 1633148 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu 16.10 slideshow still incorrectly showing Lubuntu Software Center" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633148 [22:53] hmm does the slideshow still mention lubuntu.net [22:53] OH that might be a HUGE problem [22:53] wxl: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 [22:53] 6 [22:53] lol [22:54] wxl: THIS is why I'm doing a slideshow "audit" of sorts [22:54] Release day is a bit late to be messing with the slides, though. [22:54] yeah [22:54] Unit193: well I'm saying for Z, that was my plan [22:55] But having an OK from one of us would have let us say STOP to fix that... [22:55] ugh [22:55] wxl: ugh? [22:55] wxl: how's this look? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu [22:57] tsimonq2: !YouTube and !LibreOffice [22:57] tsimonq2: remove "The upgrade from Lubuntu 16.04 LTS works fine. " [22:57] wxl: refresh [22:57] dude I removed that [22:57] k now it's better [22:58] wxl: there fixed CamelCase [22:58] wxl: look good to you? [22:58] tsimonq2: move up All images require a DVD or USB. As a workaround, use the server or netboot images. [22:58] tsimonq2: unbold Lubuntu 16.10 slideshow still incorrectly showing Lubuntu Software Center (1633148). [22:58] k [22:59] wxl: refrehs [22:59] *refresh [22:59] wxl: how about now? [22:59] tsimonq2: !ImageMagick [22:59] nice catch [23:00] NOOOOOOO [23:00] Internal Server Error [23:00] The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. [23:00] stahp it wiki [23:00] here come the spammers [23:01] brendan left foo [23:01] let's got forget to fix GetLubuntu/LTS [23:01] cheers for 16.10 :) [23:02] yeah if we can just get our part done XD [23:02] tsimonq2: let's work on the social media stuff [23:02] wxl: should I publish the blog then? [23:03] tsimonq2: naw, i think we should queue everything up and then publish when the wiki is done [23:03] wxl: ok cool [23:03] tsimonq2: to remind you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/PrePostReleaseTODO is useful [23:03] wxl: I say post this on and FB, Twitter, G+: [23:04] Lubuntu 16.10 has been released! http://lubuntu.me/yakkety-released/ [23:05] wxl: my screenshot is the Lubuntu image: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/10/download-ubuntu-16-10-flavors [23:05] <3 [23:05] Take out the papers and the trash! Lubuntu Yakkety Yak 16.10 is now available etc [23:06] wxl: ? [23:06] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cHB3Rbz1OI [23:07] OH lol [23:07] https://play.google.com/music/preview/Ttfsnrkxa5v6lkyuhcwc6ljy3zy?lyrics=1&utm_source=google&utm_medium=search&utm_campaign=lyrics&pcampaignid=kp-songlyrics&u=0# [23:07] you could just use "Don't talk back!" [23:07] wxl: should I include something about that in the release announcement then? :D [23:07] no :) [23:07] unless you include the whole song [23:08] wxl: ok so you tell me how I should bake that in then [23:08] i don't think we can embed video on the wiki :) [23:08] wxl: *release* *announcement* on the blog, dipdoo [23:08] ohhhhhhh [23:08] then yes, derpyderp [23:09] wxl: what should I do where should I put tell me tell me [23:09] just embed the vbideo [23:09] however those wordpressers do [23:11] wxl: standard HTML embed dude [23:12] wxl: look good to you? http://i.imgur.com/undefined.png [23:13] yeah looks awesome [23:13] in all its undefined glory [23:14] * wxl hands tsimonq2 a massive derp [23:14] OH LOOOL [23:14] wxl: http://i.imgur.com/vv9Gww7.png [23:14] +1! [23:16] wxl: so looks good? :D :D :D :D [23:16] YES [23:16] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD8vwxhxKpA [23:16] wxl: DUDE I'M INTO THE WIKI WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [23:17] wxl: refresh [23:17] wxl: how's it look? [23:17] ahhhh where's my link [23:17] wxl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu [23:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu [23:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu [23:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu [23:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu [23:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu [23:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu [23:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu [23:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu [23:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu [23:18] come on Drone` [23:18] Unit193: we need Drone` in here [23:18] wxl: No, you need to teach him. [23:18] tsimonq2: ship it [23:18] wxl: ok [23:18] Unit193: i don't have a stick big enough [23:19] wxl: sorry, I got trigger happy [23:19] whoops [23:19] maybe i should introduce you to lucille tsimonq2 [23:19] wxl: who? [23:19] tsimonq2: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtRiyh3CMAAEIxc.png [23:19] Lucille. [23:19] LOOOOOOOL [23:20] (walking dead reference, btw) [23:20] OH [23:20] wxl: I don't get it [23:20] wxl: OH [23:20] tsimonq2: include lennyyak as a pic (not a link to a pic) in twitter [23:20] :D [23:21] wxl: awesome idea! [23:21] tsimonq2: basically the implication is if you don't behave yourself i'm going to have to punish you :) [23:21] ARGH I"M OUT OF CHOCOLATE AND COFEE [23:21] /ragequit [23:21] wxl: I get it :) [23:22] wxl: https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/786708641026084865 [23:22] nice [23:24] wxl: duuuuude lubuntu.me needs https [23:24] yes dear [23:24] meanwhile [23:25] wxl: yes dear? [23:25] going through the TODO [23:26] I don't think we should do the TODO [23:26] meanwhile I created a TODO for us to do [23:26] :P [23:26] some of it is useful [23:27]