[04:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:56] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: ! we be here, you be here .. all better now .
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> hey there Bashing-om
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: all ok on your side of the world?
[04:58] <Bashing-om> Uh huh .. Got my SSD in .. now will busy for a while installing a new 16.04 .
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> cool! wich brand Bashing-om ?
[05:03] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I went with a Samsung 850 EVO 250GB .
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> nice nice
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> ssd's and ubuntu are such a great couple
[05:06] <Bashing-om> My ole ATI card's fan has failed .. box overheats . also got a nVidia EVGA GeForce GT 710 card to replace it !
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> my old ati x800 still rocknrolls after all these years
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> and xenial loves the card aswell
[05:09] <Bashing-om> So in a short while, I look forward to a whole new experience with this ole box .
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: yeah ssd will turbo it
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: dont forget to install preload after, works like a charm
[05:11] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: preload ?? 1st I am aware .
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> and some great tweaks for ssd like swappiness=10
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> !info preload
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: when your ssd is placed, lemme know we go over it togheter if you like
[05:13] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: preload does look interesting .. I like ! .. will be a while building 16.04 and getting irssi running on it .
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> okay tyt
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/10/wire-for-linux-beta-desktop-available
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> interesting!
[05:21] <Bashing-om> Putting skype in it's place ( behind us ) ??
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> yeah alot of issues on skype lately
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> time for new alternatives
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> i hoped telegram came with videochat..
[05:25] <Bashing-om> Boggels the mind what all the technology is comming up with . We can do it .
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> linux has plenty
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> laterz guys, breakfast
[06:31] <ducasse> morning all
[06:34] <Bashing-om> ducasse: o/ .....
[06:35] <ducasse> not in bed yet, Bashing-om? :)
[06:36] <Bashing-om> Headed that way .,. eyes crossing, and mind is a muddle . main is now in good hands .
[09:02] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[09:03] <ducasse> wb BluesKaj
[09:03] <BluesKaj> Hi  ducasse
[09:04] <OerHeks> Hi guys
[09:04] <ducasse> quiet today, mainly a lot of people asking if 16.10 is out
[09:05] <BluesKaj> of course, it's the usual
[09:05] <OerHeks> quiet is good.
[09:05] <ducasse> OerHeks: +1 on that
[09:06] <BluesKaj> suppose there's a release party chat setup
[09:06] <ducasse> BluesKaj: #ubuntu-release-party
[09:07] <BluesKaj> right
[09:10] <BluesKaj> it's usually a bit silly ...a so called online party :-)
[09:11] <BluesKaj> IMO
[09:13] <OerHeks> Americans call it a dutch party
[09:13] <OerHeks> grinn
[09:13] <OerHeks> bring-your-own-iso
[09:14] <BluesKaj> a friend is very ill and I wasn't able to sleep much ...it's 5AM here, but I'm up anyway
[10:59] <pauljw> hi everyone
[11:02] <OerHeks> hi paul
[11:02] <ducasse> \o pauljw
[11:03]  * daftykins waves too, having snuck in whilst nobody was watching
[11:05] <ducasse> daftykins is also wb :)
[11:05] <daftykins> :D ty
[11:07] <pauljw> hi ducasse
[11:07] <pauljw> OerHeks,
[13:37] <brushdemon> (:DDD)
[13:37] <daftykins> o0
[14:44] <xcy> not sure if I'm in the wrong place, but I'm just wondering when 16.10 is going to be released?
[14:45] <daftykins> yes you're in the wrong place
[14:45] <daftykins> i already see images up, not sure why the site hasn't changed
[14:46]  * OerHeks is seeding iso's already
[14:52] <xcy> found the .torrent... thanks
[14:55] <daftykins> xcy: bear in mind life is better on LTS releases though.
[14:59] <xcy> how is it better?
[15:00] <daftykins> supported longer, because as the name implies it's a Long Term Support release.
[15:02] <ducasse> a do-release-upgrade every 6 months is the perfect tempo for me, personally
[15:03] <nacc> ducasse: ack, it's good for many; but also bad for many more (IMO), based upon the number of people that come into #ubuntu saying -- why can't i upgrade my EOL version :)
[15:05] <daftykins> i think people try to claim upgrades go well, but i don't believe in them whatsoever, i bring up machines in parallel with a clean install then migrate their tasks over once they're confirmed working
[15:06] <ducasse> nacc: absolutely, and i fully get that. that tempo is also one of the main reasons i use ubuntu instead of something else.
[15:06] <xcy> I'm not running this on a server...
[15:06] <nacc> daftykins: it all depends, which is probably the biggest issue. I have one box i've upgraded since 8.04 to current
[15:06] <xcy> I've been using Ubuntu since 8.04.
[15:07] <daftykins> nacc: sounds horrible
[15:07] <nacc> daftykins: well, I imagine it would be; except I rarely (maybe only at the very beginning, when I didn't know as well and upgraded too early) had any issues
[15:26] <ducasse> i kind of hope this upgrade fails, as i'm curious how well btrfs snapshot rollback works :)
[15:29] <OerHeks> why would it fail ? ow btrfs, not zfs?
[15:31] <ducasse> OerHeks: i was just joking :) why btrfs? because zfs is not supported for /, and this desktop is non-critical for me.
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:44] <ducasse> good afternoon lotuspsychje :)
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> hey there ducasse
[16:45] <daftykins> \o
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> hey hey daftykins :p
[16:45] <daftykins> ^_^
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> playing with http://iconmonstr.com/collections/
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> grab those i will use and mail them to my admin
[16:51] <daftykins> :>
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> !yakkety
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/10/download-ubuntu-16-10-new-features
[16:57] <daftykins> all the cool kids use LTS ;)
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> they sure do :p
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> anyone know howto list only snaps in ubuntu software?
[17:04] <daftykins>  < imexil> Hi, just tried to run upgrade to 16.10 and I'm getting "Your python install is corrupted. Please fix
[17:04] <daftykins>                 the '/usr/bin/python' symlink." from the update-manager. I've already tried "apt install --reinstall
[17:04] <daftykins>                 python" (and python3) but nothing helped. Any other suggestions?
[17:04] <daftykins> first victim
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> http://www.datamation.com/open-source/7-mistakes-new-linux-users-make.html
[17:34] <daftykins> ooh that's an amusing title
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> heh
[17:35] <daftykins> Krita o0 not heard of that one
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> !info krita
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> also as a snap
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[17:38] <Mkll> Hi.
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> Mkll: wich issue did you hear about mint?
[17:38] <Mkll> That it was insecure compared to other distros based on Debian
[17:38] <Mkll> or Ubuntu.
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> Mkll: there were recently mint iso's hacked so i read
[17:40] <daftykins> yep
[17:40] <Mkll> That problem has been solved already, but people are still quick to disregard Mint as a viable choice because they "hold critical security updates"
[17:40] <daftykins> there's just no point running Mint.
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> Mkll: i wouldnt touch mint neither
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> but many swear by it...thats the people's choice of freedom right
[17:42] <Mkll> But Mint uses Ubuntu for its updates and repos, so isn't it just as safe as Ubuntu spins
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> Mkll: best case is to test distro's yourself and compare what you like best?
[17:44] <daftykins> Mkll: no
[17:44] <daftykins> Mint holds back security updates
[17:44] <Mkll> Couldn't I use apt?
[17:45] <daftykins> for what...
[17:45] <daftykins> just don' run Mint, it's simple
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> Mkll: vanilla ubuntu rescued many users life indeed :p
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> Mkll: your in the ubuntu channels, so we strongly advice ubuntu
[17:51] <Mkll> Well anyway
[17:51] <daftykins> you won't get very good community help with Mint
[17:51] <Mkll> is Xubuntu or Ubuntu Mate lighter.
[17:51] <Mkll> Which one is lighter*
[17:51] <daftykins> about the same i think
[17:51] <ducasse> Mkll: one reason some of us dislike mint is because they provide poor support (compared to ubuntu), so their users often use ubuntu channels. which is problematic, as mint changes things.
[17:52] <Mkll> I install Lubuntu on netbooks, but I want to choose something lighter then Unity and prettier then LXDE for a main OS.
[17:52] <daftykins> are you honestly talking about netbooks even now?
[17:52] <daftykins> because nothing will run well on them, they need to be retired.
[17:52] <Mkll> When I say netbooks, I also include older laptops from 2003.
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> Mkll: try lubuntu 16.04, works like a charm
[17:53] <dax> Xubuntu
[17:53] <daftykins> it has to be a netbook to be called a netbook ;)
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> dax: can you change !unity8 trigger to 16.10 now instead of the lxc test method?
[18:03] <dax> !unity8
[18:03] <dax> lotuspsychje: just changing "with https://whatever" to "in 16.10"?
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> dax: unity8 should be default now in 16.10 at login
[18:04] <ducasse> no, it's not.
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> but not yet ready
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: howso?
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> i mean default to test?
[18:05] <ducasse> not the default session, if that was what you meant.
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> yes your right
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> but you can choose it right?
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> no extra things to install to login unity8
[18:06] <ducasse> i think so, but i haven't installed from the desktop images in a long time tbh
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> dax: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/10/unity-8-desktop-session-ubuntu-1610
[18:07] <dax> so the change I said above works?
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> dax: yes on desktop 16.10
[18:08] <dax> !-unity8
[18:09] <dax> !unity8 =~ s/with.*$/in 16.10 by selecting it on the login screen/
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> cool
[18:09] <dax> oh. right. not ubottu. sigh.
[18:09] <dax> !unity8
[18:09] <daftykins> lots of bots and lots of channels :)
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> tnx dax
[18:09] <dax> np
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> think nobody will mess with 14.04 and the lxc method anymore now yakkety released
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> !17.04
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:17] <dax> hehe
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> bit more patient
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> codename will be born when exactly?
[18:18] <daftykins> usually takes a few days doesn't it?
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> XX
[18:19] <ducasse> yes, it's usually announced within a couple of days after a release
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> nice
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[18:20] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> !info gthumb
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> laterz guys, movietime
[19:30] <ducasse> ok, enjoy lotuspsychje!
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> laterzz